Linux-Misc Digest #691, Volume #24 Fri, 2 Jun 00 18:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Kernel Configuration (Dances With Crows)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Dan Stromberg)
Re: ASUS K7V KX133 motherboard problems ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How to make X program remember position & size? (Kevin E Cosgrove)
telnet to RH6.1 (Spike)
Re: Stupid but annoying problem (Sandhitsu R Das)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? ("John W. Stevens")
Re: oldest linux box? (Clueless Bozo)
<(*****Linux Startup Error******)> (N/A)
(*****Linux Startup Error******) (N/A)
Re: Freewwweb slow ? (Robie Basak)
Re: applixware linux-intel upgrade (OSguy)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? ("John W. Stevens")
Re: Stupid but annoying problem (Vikram V Asrani)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Pine, Fetchmail help (milanuk)
good printer servers that support lpr? (Dustin Puryear)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Kernel Configuration
Date: 02 Jun 2000 16:31:23 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 02 Jun 2000 17:32:21 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<<8h8r35$vln$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
> I am playing around with 2.2.14 kernel configurations. I am
>using a dell inspiron 3700 laptop, with a pentium III. I was trying
>the different processor types, and did not really notice any
>differences. I assume I should be using the PPro option. Can someone
>confirm this or set me straight? Also, there must be a objective
>way to test performance with different options. Can someone point me
>to a benchmark test that I could run.
Yep, use the PPro option. PPros, PIIs, and PIIIs are very similar
inside--all "6th generation" chips modulo a few instructions the PIII has
that don't get used much.
There's a HOWTO for benchmarking at the usual place:
http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Benchmarking-HOWTO.html , but it's a bit old.
The answer to your question depends on what sort of performance you'd like
to measure. Disk speed? bonnie and hdparm. Graphics adapter speed?
xbench. Kernel compilation speed? er... compile a kernel. Go to
http://freshmeat.net and do a search for "benchmark" and I'm sure you'll
find a horde of programs that will help you out.
>P.S. If Dances with Crows is reading, thanks very much for your response
> to "Making a boot floppy". Very helpful.
You're welcome...
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Stromberg)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 2 Jun 2000 21:01:18 GMT
In article <8gs7ua$1cj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<In comp.os.linux.misc h3$[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
<The issues you raise have validity for an organisation with limited
<resources and a customer base to satisfy, plus costs to consider.
<For example, it costs an organisation to have difficult to maintain
<and poorly commented code because they have to pay people to maintain
<it and those people may leave, and new individuals need time to come
<up to speed, whilst the old maintainers become uncontacable.
<
<To a large extent, linux does not have those constraints acting on it.
<Consider that coders are not paid in money, but in kudos, for one thing.
<Yes, their activities may make them money too, but in the first instance
<the monetary cost of their effort is zero, so there is no financial
<pressure to reduce it. In the second instance instance the primary
<coders are subject to an evolutionary selection process that
<ensures that their skill level is very very high, so the cost of
<difficult code is relatively low. And so on. I won't even touch on
<the economic implications of open source in itself.
Er, this sort of sounds good, but I don't think it works that way.
First of all, linux isn't built on the code of only top notch
programmers. It's built on the code of programmers of all sorts of
skill levels.
Second, well written code is more fun to work in, and most opensource
programmers work in free code because it's fun. If you have a free
program that's a pain in the butt to maintain, it's probably going to
see less effective maintenance.
So I'd say the cost of difficult code is high, higher in opensource
than in the corporate world. In the corporate world, you can -hire-
people to work in painful code, and they'll do it because they're
paid. In the opensource world, nobody bothers. Instead, if you're
lucky, someone comes along and rewrites it in a more maintainable way,
and people start clamboring to get their contributions added.
Granted, some opensource code is done for pay. That's another case to
consider, which I don't feel like writing about just now. :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ASUS K7V KX133 motherboard problems
Date: 2 Jun 2000 16:41:39 -0400
> One thing I'm curious about is sound. As I understand it, you can
>get the motherboard with or without sound. My only soundcards are ISA,
>and I believe the ASUS K7V has no ISA slots, so I'd either have to get one
>with sound or buy a new soundcard. I actually posted a response to someone
>who was inquiring earlier about how the chip used, an AD1881 wasn't
>supported except that presumably someone had posted a patch. I'm still a
>little doubtful, though I would imagine that it would be gotten to work
>someday.
I've still been looking, check out www.tomshardware.com, they do some
reviews of different athalon motherboards, seems like they gag on Win 2K.
About the sound? I dunno but GVC/BCM QS750 is a mb w/ 3!!! ISA slots, but
I can't find if it's really any good. Tomshardware says that you need a BIOS
update to get it to work at all.
-John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin E Cosgrove)
Subject: Re: How to make X program remember position & size?
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 21:18:57 GMT
A program called 'xtoolplaces' helps with this effort. You could
try to get this from ftp.x.org or from metalab.unc.edu. There's
another program called 'xtoolwait' which speeds up X startup.
This and 'xtoolplaces' are bundled into the SuSE package known as
'xtoolpl'.
Good luck....
--
Unless otherwise noted, the statements herein reflect my personal
opinions and not those of any organization with which I may be affiliated.
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From: Spike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: telnet to RH6.1
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 21:11:58 GMT
Hello:
I am using a terminal emulator to telnet to RH6.1 and no matter what
term type I set in the emulator or in linux, using TERM=whatever
export TERM, I am still faced with a screen that shifts the cursor to
the right by the last number of spaces occupied. Example: If I have
Login:
And I type "spike" after the colon, then I will see
Login:spike
Password:
rather than "Password:" re-alligning itself to the left. Of course the
next string (one given upon entering a correct password) will cause the
prompt to wrap all the way to another line.
What am I doing wrong? I thought that I had seen good results in the
past using vt220 emulation - even on my machine, but we had a crash and
I'm danged if I can remember how to settle this thing down
TIA
--
Spike Parker
Eastex Crude Company
Newsome, Texas, USA
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Sandhitsu R Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.development,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Stupid but annoying problem
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:23:52 -0400
On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Robichaud, Jean-Philippe [BAN:6S33:EXCH] wrote:
first thing that comes to mind is a nameserver problem. try putting the
domain on which machine is earlier in the search path in /etc/resolv.conf
Better still, since you work so often in the machine, why not put its IP
in /etc/hosts ?
> Hi
>
> This is not a development problem directly but I gives me a hard
> developping on my linux box. My linux box is in a lab somewhere else in
> the building and I work on it by doing telnet. Each time I wish to
> telnet the linux box, it takes about 50-70 second before I have the
> login prompt. Does anybody know what is wrong ? If I telnet another
> machine, i just work great...
>
> Thanks you for helping me because as I do developpement in the kernel,
> I often have to reboot and to relogin. This will help me not taking a
> walk to the lab ~10 times a day !!!
>
>
>
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From: "John W. Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 15:16:00 -0600
pert@nowhere wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "John says...
>
> >
> >> looking at the linux kernel code,
> >> you look at a function, and you have no idea what is the input
> >> and output.
>
> >
> >Read the source. If you cannot figure it out, then *PLEASE* do not
> >create patches!
> >
>
> The above got to be the most moronic answer ever written on the internet.
>
> This john idiot in one sentense have thrown away everything any
> computer science student was told to do in school, which is to
> document the function header.
No, I didn't. I never said that you shouldn't document your functions.
I just said, quite simply, that if you cannot understand the code:
PLEASE do not create patches!
> john, i hope you do not write any code,
I write *LOTS* of code.
> if you do, never show it to
> anyone.
I regularly get kudos, compliments and praise for my source code,
documentation, unit test code, analysis documents and design documents.
> what a pathetic idiot. may be you should look at well written
> software one day, and see how real software engineers write software.
I have. That's why I feel this whole thread is such a pot/kettle/black
kind of thing.
> i feel sorry for HP to have such a loser working for them.
You judge me . . . and yet you've never seen a single line of my code.
Now who is the looser?
The Linux kernel, and associated user space programs, are written and
documented just about the way most commercial software is written.
--
If I spoke for HP --- there probably wouldn't BE an HP!
John Stevens
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 17:31:24 -0400
From: Clueless Bozo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: oldest linux box?
Robie Basak wrote:
>
> On Thu, 25 May 2000 17:19:09 GMT, Pjtg0707 said:
> >
> >I have a AMD 386/40 running apache with kernel 1.2.13 that serves up all my
> >documentations and my cgi scripts on my lan; it won't retire anytime soon.
>
> The great thing is, companies who haven't been enlightened chuck these
> things out for free!
>
Yo, Robbie, please be quiet. I'm looking to find some nice PII class boxes in
the dumpsters when the sportcoats embrace W2K. Please stop messin' with my
supply chain.
CB
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From: N/A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: <(*****Linux Startup Error******)>
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 21:30:15 GMT
i log into Linux as either my user name or as 'root', ok then when i type
in 'StartX' to go into Linux (Corel Deluxe) i get this error:
Config Error: /root/xf86Config: 311
Vertfresh (null)
^^^^^
Vertical Refresh Value Expected
X Convert to :0x0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
ok what does that mean and WHAT CAN I DO, or where can i read to change,
or fix it so i can get into Linux......Please Answere at my e-mail would
nice.
Frustrated Note: i have had this software for 2 WEEKS and have YET TO GET
INTO THE PROGRAM.......EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED....Thanks.
--
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http://www.help.com/
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From: N/A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: (*****Linux Startup Error******)
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 21:30:15 GMT
i log into Linux as either my user name or as 'root', ok then when i type
in 'StartX' to go into Linux (Corel Deluxe) i get this error:
Config Error: /root/xf86Config: 311
Vertfresh (null)
^^^^^
Vertical Refresh Value Expected
X Convert to :0x0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
ok what does that mean and WHAT CAN I DO, or where can i read to change,
or fix it so i can get into Linux......Please Answere at my e-mail would
nice.
Frustrated Note: i have had this software for 2 WEEKS and have YET TO GET
INTO THE PROGRAM.......EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED....Thanks.
--
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http://www.help.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Freewwweb slow ?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2 Jun 2000 21:46:08 GMT
On Fri, 02 Jun 2000 13:45:37 -0500, Craig McCluskey said:
>Rootman wrote:
>>
>> Mine varied wildly, got 20k connections to almost 50k. Mail was
>> excrutiatingly slow all the time.
>>
>> I guess the thing is "what do you expect for nothin'?". I broke
>> down and actually got a local ISP after account freezups, no email
>> and busy signals all the time. Never getting a response to tech
>> support email (to this date from almost 30 days ago) sealed it's
>> doom.
>>
>> It's alright if you can put up with the slow and non existant
>> service.
>>
>
>Here in Austin, I can't even connect to the Internet.
>
>Sometimes it will let me log onto their machine, but when I try to
>run ppp (or any of the other services shown by typing a ?) I get an
>error message that ppp is not enabled.
Have you recompiled the kernel? If so, make sure you enabled the
correct options for ppp. If not, check that any ppp modules are
loaded correctly.
>Other times, the modem connects and it asks me to type the system
>password which I obviously don't know.
Whose system password? How does it ask you; how did you connect?
Robie.
--
My ISP's news server was messed up recently; sorry if you haven't
heard a reply from me.
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From: OSguy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: applixware linux-intel upgrade
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 16:14:38 -0500
Applixware will not let you upgrade from anything you bought from RedHat. RedHat
was originally handling all of those upgrades until they quit selling
Applixware. You could only get an upgrade from Applixware-4.4.1 or higher from
Applix (provided you are registered with Applix). Sorry.
Willmann wrote:
> I have asked [EMAIL PROTECTED] several times for an answer to my question
> below. So far no answer. Perhaps this time?
> Gerald
>
> On Wed, 31 May 2000, Gerald Willmann wrote:
> > how about answering customer emails
> > On Tue, 16 May 2000, Gerald Willmann wrote:
> > > hi there: I have been a satisfied user of applixware 4.3 for about 3 years
> > > and would like to upgrade to version 5.0. When I fill out the form on your
> > > website it tells me I'm not a registered user. I bought 4.3 from Redhat.
> > > Hope this is good enough. Or do I have to switch to StarOffice?
> > > please let me know. thanks, Gerald
> > > PS: do you have a student discount, btw?
> --
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From: "John W. Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 15:47:35 -0600
pert@nowhere wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "John says...
>
> >
> >> looking at the linux kernel code,
> >> you look at a function, and you have no idea what is the input
> >> and output.
>
> >
> >Read the source. If you cannot figure it out, then *PLEASE* do not
> >create patches!
> >
>
> The above got to be the most moronic answer ever written on the internet.
>
> This john idiot in one sentense have thrown away everything any
> computer science student was told to do in school, which is to
> document the function header.
>
> john, i hope you do not write any code, if you do, never show it to
> anyone.
>
> what a pathetic idiot. may be you should look at well written
> software one day, and see how real software engineers write software.
>
> i feel sorry for HP to have such a loser working for them.
>
> pert
>
You ready to put your reputation on the line "pert"? (I noticed that you
are posting anonymously)
Here's the challenge: I'll send a package containing some throw away
code that I wrote today, *BEFORE* reading the your response to my
posting, to who ever wants to volunteer (so long as that person has a
real email address . . . no hotmail, yahoo or other free-mail
accounts!). I promise not to modify this package in any way before
sending it to the volunteer.
You, in turn, send the most recently written package you have to this
same person, and then he/she will post them simultaneously.
Then, we let the group decide who writes the best code/docs/etc.
Or, you could simply remain anonymous (we know why you want to remain
anonymous, don't we?), and everybody will know what kind of person you
really are.
I'll bet you that the group agrees that I beat you in every possible
category.
--
If I spoke for HP --- there probably wouldn't BE an HP!
John Stevens
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Vikram V Asrani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.development,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Stupid but annoying problem
Date: 2 Jun 2000 21:56:54 GMT
Reply-To: Vikram.V.Asrani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
=> This is not a development problem directly but I gives me a hard
=> developping on my linux box. My linux box is in a lab somewhere else in
=> the building and I work on it by doing telnet. Each time I wish to
=> telnet the linux box, it takes about 50-70 second before I have the
Can depend on many things. There may be an internal firewall, there might be
a secure socket layer running on one of the end machines or it might be
something totally different which I do not know about :)
--
Vikram.V.Asrani ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 2 Jun 2000 21:48:39 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Dan Stromberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: <Consider that coders are not paid in money, but in kudos, for one thing.
: <Yes, their activities may make them money too, but in the first instance
: <the monetary cost of their effort is zero, so there is no financial
: <pressure to reduce it. In the second instance instance the primary
: <coders are subject to an evolutionary selection process that
: <ensures that their skill level is very very high, so the cost of
: <difficult code is relatively low. And so on. I won't even touch on
: <the economic implications of open source in itself.
: Er, this sort of sounds good, but I don't think it works that way.
: First of all, linux isn't built on the code of only top notch
: programmers. It's built on the code of programmers of all sorts of
: skill levels.
: Second, well written code is more fun to work in, and most opensource
: programmers work in free code because it's fun. If you have a free
: program that's a pain in the butt to maintain, it's probably going to
: see less effective maintenance.
: So I'd say the cost of difficult code is high, higher in opensource
: than in the corporate world. In the corporate world, you can -hire-
: people to work in painful code, and they'll do it because they're
: paid. In the opensource world, nobody bothers. Instead, if you're
: lucky, someone comes along and rewrites it in a more maintainable way,
: and people start clamboring to get their contributions added.
You missed my reference to evolutionary processes. I suggested that
bad code in the kernel wastes away BECAUSE it is unmaintainable.
That which stays tends to be good code, or important code (which is
subject to other pressures).
Most open source coders are always considering the approachability
of the coding to others. The reason is that they don't want to put
effort into something that will waste away.
Cruft does accumulate and is then subject to other pressures. It blocks
progress in other code areas (because it can't be changed easily) until
someone gets fed up and redoes it properly.
Peter
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From: milanuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pine, Fetchmail help
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 21:48:52 GMT
check out Infinite Ink's (www.ii.net) directory for some awesome guides
and links about pine, and procmail.
Monte
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dowe Keller) wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:11:25 GMT, William H. Asquith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >All,
> >I am using RH6.1 (2.2.12) on Notebook. I have been using kmail, but
> >would like to change to Pine. I used to use Pine at office, and still
> >want to because it is so fast to use. I think that I need to use
> >Fetchmail to retrieve mail from my several ISP mailboxes (I want to
pick
> >and choose which mail box at what time) and place mail into a path
that
> >Pine searches. I am totally new at this so I do not know where to
turn
> >for help. I figure that once I understand Fetchmail and any
potential
> >Fetchmail/Pine relation, I would be on my own. Can this be done?
> >
>
> There is no fetchmail/pine relation, fetchmail fetches mail and
> dumps it on the MDA. The MDA puts it in /var/spool/mail/yername.
> Then you can read it with pine, or elm, or mutt, or mail, or even
> more.
>
> For further enlightenment, read the fetchmail faq. If you've got
> fetchmail on your system, you probibly have the faq. If not, its
> on esr's web site www.tuxedo.org/~esr/I'm_to_lazy_to_look_it_up.
>
> BTW: On my Redhat 5.2 system it's under /usr/doc/fetchmail-4.5.8/FAQ
>
> `man fetchmail' may shine a little light, too.
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ---
> I wanted to emulate some of my hero's, but I didn't know thier
> op-codes.
> --dowe
>
--
There are basically three kinds of men. There
are the ones who learn by reading. Then there are
the few who learn by observation. The rest just
have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dustin Puryear)
Subject: good printer servers that support lpr?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 22:04:27 GMT
I am hoping to replace our host-based printer system with print
servers attached to each printer. I know that the JetDirect print
servers support LPD, but what about other ones? The JetDirects tend to
be pricey, so I was hoping to have a selection from which to choose
rather than being forced to only use one product.
Anyway, I tried to do some research but all I can find are "Windows NT
compatible" print servers.
Thanks for any tips.
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