Linux-Misc Digest #696, Volume #19 Fri, 2 Apr 99 01:13:13 EST
Contents:
Re: Proposal: "Linux 2000 Platform" (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0 (Christopher Browne)
Re: RAD for Linux (David M. Cook)
Re: Who do you sue FUD (Jim Hill)
Re: VMWARE -- why isn't it the rage topic of discussion? (Jim Hill)
Re: Installing RedHat 5.2 on a Gateway 2000 ("Charles Sullivan")
Re: Why does my Epson Stylus Color II keep spitting out garbage?!!$%@*& ("gemron")
Re: Redhat 5.2 and KDE 1.1 ("Lunde")
Re: Help Required! Connecting from Win95 via Serial ("Jeremy L. Buchmann")
Re: Interesting postgres questions (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: Memory leak? (Charles E Taylor IV)
Re: System freezes on login... ("David Z. Maze")
Re: SoundBlaster from ONE speaker (HSB Lab Student)
Re: Email in Linux ("Steve D. Perkins")
Re: apsfilter - acroread, orientation? (Paul Kimoto)
Re: what gcc? (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Linux on a non-state-of-the-art PC ? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Proposal: "Linux 2000 Platform" (Christopher Browne)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Proposal: "Linux 2000 Platform"
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 04:28:46 GMT
On 1 Apr 1999 21:34:22 -0500, Alexander Viro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
posted:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>I suggest dpkg instead, it's a bit more, shall we say, 'advanced'.
>
>Seconded, with possible ports integration.
Unfortunately, the flaming of Red Hat by those of the Slackware
Religion acts as an anodyne, distracting people from the possibility
that there might be ideas out there that are better than either
system's approach.
The fixation on RPM, with occasional vague mention of dpkg, betrays a
generally vast ignorance of the various packaging methods that in use.
Almost certainly Ports and the Debian tools represent something closer
to the "state of the art" than does RPM.
Anyone for stow? Depot? NSBD?
Note that RPM would be a whole lot more usable if there was something
functionally equivalent to Debian's APT and dselect tools...
>>(I use Slackware, and I don't use ANY package managers ;)
>
>>> . GNU make, C/C++ compiler and development libraries
>
>>Well, DUH! ;)
I disagree, slightly. POSIX make is a more unambiguously requirable
option.
>>> . XFree86 installed to /usr/X11R6/lib (or /usr/X11)
>
>Optional. Install libs if you are so inclined, but server and
>applications do not belong to required part.
>
>>Or both, thanks to the wonders of sym-links.
>
> Exactly.
Absolutely.
>>>Optional components:
>>> . Web browser (Netscape or Mozilla variation?)
>
>Or lynx, or any other browser. What's the difference for 3-rd party
>applications?
If trying to establish a standard, shouldn't the product picked be
require to conform to some standards? :-).
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 04:29:53 GMT
On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:22:09 +1200, Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Johan Kullstam wrote:
>> Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > Bloatware. I suppose you'd go for it if someone were to meet you
>> > at the door of the supermarket, sent you round to the exit, and
>> > insisted that you take a trolley, packed the way that *they*
>> > decide is best.
>>
>> no one makes you install these things.
>>
>No indeed, but lots of people do. Lots of people also install
>Microsoft products too.
>
>All RedHat does is pull together a consistent set of stuff so that
>people don't have to do it themselves. That's good. But to suggest
>that they actually add value apart from that is rubbish.
Obviously so.
<sarcasm> The code that they wrote that is included with their
distribution as well as others is obviously rubbish. </sarcasm>
>> there is a pristine source in the source rpm along with
>> redhat's patches which are distinct diff files. you can still
>> apply your own patches. you can remove the redhat patches.
>>
>Indeed you can, unless you are prepared to take the risk of losing
>some feature in the process! You could, of course, look at the
>diffs, look at your patch (which you may have got elsewhere), and
>try to figure out what will fit and what you want and what will
>really happen. Great fun, I'm sure.
<sarcasm>
Doubtless it's much more difficult than the alternatives:
a) Try to decompile binary packages where *no* source code for the
patches is available,
or
b) Check out a pristine copy of sources, put it into RCS/CVS, take a
"non-pristine" copy, do a mass diff, and, remarkably, get as the
primary result, a patch file that is likely to be isomorphic to the
patch file that comes with the RPM .src.rpm file.
</sarcasm>
>> yes there are. no one makes you use redhat. if you do not
>> care for redhat, do not use it. redhat does have actual
>> problems. i challenge you to find them and not just make up
>> random lies.
>>
>I'm sorry that I am nor a follower of the One True Red Hat
>religion. I challenge you to point out where I lied. For what it
>is worth, I've not had any problem with my copy of Redhat. It's
>pretty neat so long as you don't mind being led by the nose.
The only religiousity that I tend to see tends to be expressed by those
that consider Red Hat to be an expression of Infidel Use of Linux.
Funny, that.
--
"Instant coffee is like pouring hot water over the cremated remains of a
good friend."
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: RAD for Linux
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 02:40:50 GMT
On Thu, 01 Apr 1999 00:51:57 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is there any kind of RAD environment for Linux for developing GUI
>applications, something like Borland C++ stuff?
I recommend Python/Tkinter or pygtk.
http://www.pythonware.com/library/tkinter/introduction
http://www.uml.edu/Dept/Chem/BICGroup/PyGTools/
Neither provide complete environments yet, but they are still vastly easier
than doing things in C++ even without wizards and resource builders.
Another choice is Tcl/Tk, which is very well documented (lots of tutorials
and books.) I don't like Tcl, but YMMV. There are several Tcl/Tk resource
builders such as
http://www.neuron.com/stewart/vtcl/
>How do vxWindows, V, Tk, GTK, Qt, amulet, etc. compare with each other? Which
>one is the easiest to use and has the shortest learning curve?
I haven't tried Qt, but apparently the docs are very good. I like Gtk,
using it mostly under Python rather than C, but the docs aren't quite as
good (getting better all the time, though.) See
http://www.free-soft.org/guitool/
http://members.home.com/davecook/devel/
Dave Cook
--
No Linux for you!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Hill)
Subject: Re: Who do you sue FUD
Date: 2 Apr 1999 00:43:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In <7dvcgd$aur$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Christopher Michael Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Jim Hill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> I've been watching events unfold with the Melissa macro fiasco this
>> weekend and I'm thinking to myself that if the "Companies want someone
>> they can sue when things go wrong" argument holds any water at all, then
>> we should probably see a lot of suits filed against Microsoft because of
>> the "virus" spread by a combination of Outlook Exchange, Word, and
>> Windows. We'll see that, right? Companies that wanted someone to sue
>> will sue, won't they?
>
>Unlikely, since all of the product have easy to identify
>switches to (for example) toggle whether or not you can
>run macros, toggle macro virus protection, etc.
Err, that was sort of my point. If Microsoft isn't responsible when the
people who use its software (or the software itself) fucks up, then why
is Linux subjected to "We have to have a company to stand behind the
software we deploy" attack?
Jim
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.swcp.com/~jimhill/
"Visualize world peace...good.
Now wake up and smell the coffee."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Hill)
Subject: Re: VMWARE -- why isn't it the rage topic of discussion?
Date: 2 Apr 1999 00:43:09 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In <7e09ko$1km$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm quite surprised that VMWARE (www.vmware.com) isn't
>being discussed much.
I've not dicussed for one simple reason: If I wanted to run Windows,
I'd run Windows without a VM underneath it.
Don't get me wrong: the product sounds fantastic for people who have to
run both and don't want to dual-boot...but I don't have any need for it
at all.
Jim
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.swcp.com/~jimhill/
"Visualize world peace...good.
Now wake up and smell the coffee."
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From: "Charles Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Installing RedHat 5.2 on a Gateway 2000
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:33:05 -0500
Yeah, I've got RH5.2 on my Gateway G6-450. There's nothing really unique
about my Gateway system as far as Linux is concerned. Any Linux of the
same vintage as RH5.2 will have a minor problem with installation on any
large hard drive.
The wheel mouse shipped with my system is a standard MS Intellimouse PS/2
which isn't well supported by RH5.2, but there's a free package on the web
("imwheel") which makes it run perfectly, wheel and all.
I never had a problem with X.
The anti-virus in my BIOS came disabled from the factory so I can't speak to
that.
The major annoyance I had with the GW system is that it wasn't immediately
clear what the equivalent retail versions of all its peripherals were, but
Linux
seemed to detect most of them by itself. And then of course there's the
infamous
and ubiquitous Winmodem, not unique to GW, which can't be made to run under
Linux.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
<7e1b80$df5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I have a Gateway 2000 (PII/233MHz, 8.3G HDD, 32MB RAM) which I want to
>rid of the Windoze 95 that it came preinstalled with. It's the standard
>box that came with all the Gateway stuff that they bundle in it - no new
>or changed components.
>
>I want to install RedHat 5.2 on it, but I hear RHL installations frequently
>tend to screw themselves up badly on proprietary systems. Some of the
things
>I've heard are pretty serious - the BIOS doesn't let LILO get loaded,
>basically thinking it's a virus! - various components -
>including the large 8.3G disk - are either not supported, or if
>supported are not correctly recognized by Linux correctly. - X
>doesn't work (locks up/hangs the machine) - the stupid little wheel mouse
>(isn't it a PS/2 device) driver is screwed up. I think these
>limitations are pretty severe. Has anyone out there experienced something
>similar? Has anyone - anyone at all - installed Linux (specifically RHL)
on
>a Gateway 2000 G series machine (I think that's what this one is; I'm not
>sure)? What were the problems faced? What are the precautions to take?
>
>Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.
>
>--
>U.V. Ravindra
>
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From: "gemron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why does my Epson Stylus Color II keep spitting out garbage?!!$%@*&
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 00:01:37 -0500
Crossposted-To:
comp.periphs.printers,linux.samba,linux.redhat.misc,comp.protocols.smb,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,microsoft.public.windowsnt.misc
Take it to Kinko's
Ed Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7duhtf$mpg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> GTK+ wrote:
> >
> > Help me please!!!! Whenever I turn on my printer, and lpd is running
on
> > my Linux machine that it is hooked up to, it just spits out garbage
> > forever. How do I clear the memory on the printer so that it doesn't
spit
> > out all this crap anymore?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
> >
> > Also, I was wondering if anyone knew how to correctly use Windows NT
> > Workstation 4.0 (SP4) as the client for my Samba 2.0.3 shared printer.
I
> > have Zenographics SuperPrint 5.0 installed on the NT Workstation, and
it's
> > supposed to allow network printing.
> >
> > UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The least help I could get is HOW TO CLEAR the
memory
> > on my Epson Stylus Color II inket printer!!!! Please help me I need to
> > use the printer to print out my TAX RETURNS BEFORE APRIL 15!!!
> >
> > Thanks to anyone who can help me! :)
>
> Sounds like you have a file in the print queue which can't be deciphered
by the
> printer driver. Try using lpc to clear it.
>
> man lpc
>
> for hints...
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From: "Lunde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Redhat 5.2 and KDE 1.1
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:46:58 -0500
Sounds like you didn't dl the right KDE 1.1 version. Make sure it is for
RedHat 5.2. It installed on my computer just fine.
RJA <ayadi@~earthlink~.net> wrote in message
news:7dvig7$i6a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I am trying to install KDE 1.1 on RedHat 5.2 (updated kernel 2.2.4).
However
> I cannot install as it tells me I do not have Mandrake installed. How do I
> get around this?
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From: "Jeremy L. Buchmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help Required! Connecting from Win95 via Serial
Date: 2 Apr 1999 04:56:11 GMT
Paul Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I have set up a "Direct to COM1" connection using Win95 Hyperterminal on the
: laptop and have set up a SLIP connection on /dev/cua0 (COM1) on my Linux
: box.
Hyperterm doesn't do SLIP, just [zyx]-modem. If you want to create a SLIP
connection, you have to use Dial-UP-Networking. Unfortunetly, Win95
doesn't come with a modem driver for a null modem cable, but you can find
one on the net at a site called "The Direct Connection". Search for it, and
you can find it.
If you don't want to hassle with SLIP or PPP, you can just use rz/sz and do a
straight z-modem transfer. BTW, PPP is really easy to start. Do a 'man pppd'
and read the pppd docs. But you will need the afore-mentioned null modem
driver. A 'direct serial connection' is pppd's native way of doing things.
===================================================================
Jeremy Buchmann "Those who trade freedom for safety deserve
[EMAIL PROTECTED] neither freedom nor safety." -- Ben Franklin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Subject: Re: Interesting postgres questions
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 04:54:27 GMT
On Thu, 01 Apr 1999 20:02:11 GMT, Doug S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>The only way I know of to do this is to export your clipper database
>file to a tab or comma delimited text file. Then use the COPY command
>(if you exported to a comma delimited file you'll use the USING
>DELIMITERS clause, too) to import the data.
I seem to remember there being some software included with MySQL to
help convert xBase files into MySQL tables; it shouldn't be too hard
to dump .dbf into fixed length records and then load those into
PostgreSQL tables...
>I haven't used clipper in about eight years, so I don't know enough
>about clipper programs to know if they can support using data from
>Postgres. I'd imagine that you're running the clipper programs on a
>non-*nix machine...if there's a way with clipper programs to use an
>ODBC datasource, then yes, you can use your clipper programs. But
>that wasn't the case last time I encountered clipper.
I think FlagShip, a Clipper clone, supports this.
>There are many ways of accessing the data, though. You could redo
>your app in C, perl, or PHP, among others, for example, and run on a
>*nix box. Or you could even use MS Access or a similar environment on
>a Win9x computer with the Postgres ODBC driver loaded.
>
>BTW, PostgreSQL 6.5 is now in BETA. The new features look awesome!
Is there going to be a "good" currency type? Ala 64 bits?
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles E Taylor IV)
Subject: Re: Memory leak?
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:48:49 -0500
In article <7dtlr8$53d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[X memory leak with 2.2.x]
> I'm seeing it also. I'm running XFree86-3.3.3.1-1 and kernel 2.2.1-5. I've
> got an S3-Virge card, but I'm using the SVGA server. Have you gotten any
> other feedback? It's a pain in the *ss to have to reboot X every day or so.
Similar behavior here with the same kernel, Xserver, and card. Ditto
with the S3V server.
Using Netscape a while seems to open the floodgates ...
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Visit me on the web!
http://orangesherbert.ces.clemson.edu
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: System freezes on login...
Date: 02 Apr 1999 00:27:30 -0500
danielrod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
DR> Problem: I start up Linux. I enter my username, "root."
No..."root" is the name of the administrator account. Your username
should be something different. (Why? So that if you do mess up your
user account such that you can't log in, you have another way to fix
things. Or so that you can't accidentally delete configuration files
while you're looking at them. Or accidentally burn system libraries.
You get the idea.)
DR> It was working fine previously. Two changes occured before I
DR> restarted my system. 1. I added the line: /usr/sbin/./squid & to
DR> the end of the /etc/rc.d/rc.local file. 2. I accidentally wiped
DR> out the contents of the file /etc/rc.d/init.d/network
Running a proxy server shouldn't break things. But losing your
network configuration would. Does your shell prompt normally include
your hostname? The system could be trying to look it up, and failing.
DR> Does anyone have any ideas as to what may have caused the problem.
DR> I don't have a boot disk unfortunately, so it looks like I may
DR> have to reinstall.
Unless you can find a template /etc/rc.d/init.d/network file that you
can customize, this might be your only option. There are other ways
to get a root shell from the LILO prompt, which may or may not work
depending on how much your root login is broken (use a user account
for everything, and don't customize the root login at all, lest you
lock yourself out!). Assuming your Linux kernel image is named
"linux" in LILO, try one of
linux single
linux init=/bin/sh
You'll have to reboot again after using the latter; if the former
works, exiting out of the shell it provides should bring the system up
normally.
Lessons:
-- Use a user account for things.
-- vi is not a pager.
-- Keep a boot disk handy. (Your install disk might work for this.)
-- Don't do everything as root.
-- Don't arbitrarily delete files.
--
David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/
"Hey, Doug, do you mind if I push the Emergency Booth Self-Destruct Button?"
"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"
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From: HSB Lab Student <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SoundBlaster from ONE speaker
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 16:28:37 +1200
check your mixer settings ;-P
Rob wrote:
> All,
>
> I have a SB16 and have the following problem:
>
> When using cdplay or wmcdplay (preference) I can only get sound from the
> left speaker (Altec qubes) BUT when I use xamp sound is fine through
> both.
>
> Any ideas? ... I have tried different speakers, checked connections,
> all same result.
>
> Kern version 2.0.34.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> ...evolution of civilization may therefore be simply described
> as the struggle for life of the human species. And it is this
> battle of the giants that our nurse-maids try to appease with
> their lullaby about Heaven.
>
> - 'Civilization and It's Discontents'
> Resting on the back of the toilet.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: "Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Email in Linux
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:20:30 -0500
Hehe... if you can read this, then you're my hero!
Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: apsfilter - acroread, orientation?
Date: 1 Apr 1999 20:34:31 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Elizabeth Leight wrote:
> I've sucessfully installed apsfilter and netatalk on my RH5.2 linux
> system with an HP 1100 Laserjet connected, and can print to it
> from both Linux and MacOS. However, two questions/issues have
> come up:
> 1) I can't print from acroread, or print files generated by acroread.
> Other postscript files are fine. Any pointers as to why this is
> happening?
Do you get any error messages?
Are you sure that this is an apsfilter problem? It sounds more likely
to be a PostScript-interpreter problem.
If your setup uses ghostscript, you might want to check
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/, where there is probably a newer
version than what RH is allowed to provide.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: what gcc?
Date: 1 Apr 1999 20:39:48 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <7e03mb$b0b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jason Rotunno wrote:
> when i installed mandrake (which is redhat + kde) i guess it didn't
> install gcc because i tried to install a program and got "could not find
> gcc, could not find make" etc during ./configure. i went to
> sunsite.unc.edu to download gcc and found many files.
> what exactly do i need? also, does gcc include make or do i need to
> download that seperately? thanks.
Are you *sure* that your distribution doesn't contain a version of
gcc?! Oh, it might be called "egcs", which is the new wave in gcc
development. (And, yes, "make" is separate.)
If you really must download a non-distribution binary gcc, I suppose
that
ftp://tsx-11.mit.edu/pub/linux/packages/GCC/egcs-1.0.3-glibc.x86.tar.bz2
would be best. Also get the file release.egcs-1.0.3 in the same
directory. (You might need the file "bzip2-glibc.gz" in order to
decompress.)
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Linux on a non-state-of-the-art PC ?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 01:43:14 GMT
On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:19:43 GMT, T Ojala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm not familiar with Linux and I've received some very contradictory
>information on Linux's usefulness when using rather old Intel
>hardware.
>
>On one hand, I found a web site (starting from www.linux.org, under
>something like "Why Linux is better...") stating that Linux is well
>capable of running Netscape on a 486, 8 MB platform. On the other, a
>colleague said that Pentium 133 or better with 64 MB is good (after
>having had some problems with Pentium 233/32).
>
>So, simply: is there somebody out there who is using Linux + Netscape
>on a platform similar to the first one mentioned? Did you spend months
>to get it running? Is it really running smoothly (ie can you really
>surf the net with it)?
Netscape Communicator *IS A MEMORY HOG.* Versions in the "4.x" series
will not run particularly "smoothly" without you having on the order of
32MB of RAM.
You'd have better success running Navigator version 3.02; the notion
that Linux will run it *well* with a mere 8MB of RAM is certainly
stretching reality somewhat.
The problem that you're liable to run into is insufficient memory.
A 486 box with 32MB or more should work perfectly well for the purpose,
and won't be fundamentally smoother than a Pentium-based system.
I have run X on a system with 8MB of memory; it is *feasible,* but is
highly unlikely to work terribly smoothly.
--
"What you end up with, after running an operating system concept
through these many marketing coffee filters, is something not unlike
plain hot water." -- Matt Welsh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/xbloat.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Proposal: "Linux 2000 Platform"
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 01:43:24 GMT
Before making any substantive remarks, it is important to preface with
an *IMPORTANT* remark.
It is, generally speaking, potentially a *REALLY DUMB IDEA* to announce
a new project on April Fools Day.
Now that I've got that off my chest...
a) Lose the name.
- "Linux 95" was released about 7 months before Windows 95, so we've
successfully pulled that prank already.
- The start of the millennium is 2001, so something "millenial"
shouldn't involve 2000; "2000" is a number that has been reserved for
advertising of snake-oil-like products for many years now.
b) Normative, not descriptive.
When you say "standard locations for configuration files," that
represents a normative rule that can be unambiguously evaluated, not
unlike FHS.
The other "stuff" represents something more like: "I want to create a
new distribution, and here's the feature set!"
Give us things that can be evaluated as correct/incorrect; for the
purposes of commercial vendors, that *is* what they need to have.
They *need* to have environmental assertions that can be validated as
right or wrong.
c) Solve the *actual* problem at hand.
There have been *piles* of attempts to try to establish things like
"SEUL," "Project Independence," and the like, where people have decided
that they just *had* to start from scratch and create a Brand New
Distribution to solve all the world's problems.
The problem here that needs to be solved is *NOT* a "we need a new
distribution" problem.
It is a "Quality Assurance," "we need to make sure the distributions
that exist are done right" problem.
To that end, the *right* answer is to build some tools to help validate
distributions against LSB, which is the most appropriate test that I'm
aware of with respect to a distribution.
<ftp://ftp.xopen.org/pub/lsb/test/>
<http://www.opengroup.org/testing/lsb-fhs/>
are sites documenting what "test suite" information exists at this
point for LSB.
It doesn't much matter fundamentally whether validation is done using
code written in C, Guile, TCL, Perl, or, for that matter, cfengine.
An *appropriate* thing to do is to build some test suite support code to
measure the degree of compliance/noncompliance of distributions with
whatever standards prove useful to verify.
It would be *entirely* sensible for this to include some things like: -
Taking a sample binary generated on one distribution, and making sure
that it works correctly on another.
- Adding in tests that exercise reported bugs. This can provide the
ability to do regression testing to ensure that future versions of
software don't re-break things that get fixed.
- *Certainly* add in some tests to exercise how well library integration
is working. If a new EGCS/GLIBC combination breaks everything, we'd
want to know that, right?
The problem that vendors are having is that it's a lot of work to
*verify* that software will work on multiple distributions.
Give them a useful testing framework, and pass distributions through
such a framework, and this can provide useful bug reports so that we
don't get "bozo" releases of distributions that Just Plain Don't Work.
But we don't need a new "Linux 2000" distribution to do this.
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a real computer" - Dilbert.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Trident 3DImage985 trouble
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 03:20:01 GMT
I am using a 4 meg agp Trident 3d video card. I'm trying to use
the correct xfree86 driver for it, which is 3DImage985.
However, no matter What I set the monitor refresh rates to
in xf86config, and no matter how I edit the XF86Setup, the server
keeps starting in a refresh mode that is too low for my monitor.
My monitors refresh span is from 30-95, and the highest I can get
the server to boot in is 28. Any recommendations would be appreciated.
Also, if anyone is successfully using the 3DImage985 driver in xfree86
I would appreciate it if they could send me thier XF86Setup file.
Also, I am using xfree86 3.3.3.1
Thanks,
-Erik
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