Linux-Misc Digest #841, Volume #18 Sun, 31 Jan 99 16:13:08 EST
Contents:
Java ICQ (RCT)
Re: [Q] Bogo mips shrinked!? (Frank Sweetser)
using screen from daemon ("Patrick.Maartense")
how do i disable daemons that i don't need? (Cameron Fraser)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. ("Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus")
Re: LinuxCAD technology in a long run. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: CyberVision C52 monitor and X (Roy Stogner)
Re: Which files?? (Ian Dunross)
BTTV driver and ADS ChannelSurfer TV+FM card (Jim Shaffer, Jr.)
Re: A newbie versus "vi" (Neil Zanella)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (The Ringleader of the Psycho Circus)
Re: Java ICQ (Persona)
Printing problem (Seikosha SP-1900+) (Sam Vere)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers ("Patrick.Maartense")
Re: encrypted file system ("Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (RCT)
Subject: Java ICQ
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:23:20 GMT
Question and or Opinions I wanted to have the Java version of Icq
installed on my Linux box,, I have heard from some "Linux Experts" to
stay away from java??? Why??? And if I want to use some sort of
online system like ICQ what should I use???
Thanks
Chaz
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From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: [Q] Bogo mips shrinked!?
Date: 31 Jan 1999 11:04:45 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow) writes:
> On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:51:17 GMT,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >
> >> Hey I got my PII 266 to 272.79 damn 28.67 sux.
> >
> >I've got a Pentium 166 MMX, about 280 Bogo MIPS... (Asus SP97-V MB)
>
> Hmm, did Intel change the Pentium core with the MMX series? A plain
> P166 should get around 66 bogomips.
Yes. there were (IIRC) about half a dozen signifigant improvements stuffed
into the MMX chips, including some larger on-chip cache sizes and improved
branch prediction. of course, marketing seemed to think that MMX making
games go faster was the only thing worth bothering to mention...
--
Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu fsweetser at blee.net | PGP key available
paramount.ind.wpi.edu RedHat 5.2 kernel 2.2.0 i586 | at public servers
"If you want to travel around the world and be invited to speak at a lot
of different places, just write a Unix operating system."
(By Linus Torvalds)
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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:00:56 +0100
From: "Patrick.Maartense" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,linux.redhat.rpm,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: using screen from daemon
Hello there
I m a moderate novice Linux Server operator and need to know the
following
I use Redhat 5.2 Server to run 5 pcs of QUAKE II dedicated server
i have the now running over the RunLvel 3 init script as daemon
thus far : no problem
BUT
i want them to been 'screened' Since these servers have their own
console.
when i try to have a screen session started from the deamon a error
message coms
you need to be connected to a terminal ..
Is there something I missed out on?
is it just not possible to have a screen session to be run from daemons?
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From: Cameron Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: how do i disable daemons that i don't need?
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:03:13 -0500
hey, my question, as stated in the subject line, is how do i disable the
daemons that i don't need? since i am not offering any services to
anyone, as in i am the only one using my box, what daemons do i need and
which do i not need?
any help would be greatly appreciated...thanks
kamrin
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From: "Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 07:01:20 +1100
G'day...
> I've been with MS products since DOS was DOS, heck, I'm even working on my
> MCSE (Work dictates it). Window's has gotten worse and bigger from the OS's
> stand point, yet, it does do more than Linux. I run NT because I have to, I
> run Linux because I want to. I'm an old coder by heart and see Linux as an
> opportunity to be the only OS. Yes, that's a dream way-off, but remember
> that Linux IS developed by the "world", we can make it do more that MS does,
> but do it right!
Huh? Window's does more than Linux? That depends on the point of view you
cast on that comment.
>From my point of view, Linux does more whilst requiring less resources. For
example, running postgres, xdm, X, JavaICQ, enlightenment, gnome, and
Netscrape I am using a comparable (actually less) system resources to Win95
(without the SQL server running), but I've also got a tonne of vc's available,
a tonne of virtual desktops, and a number of daemons (eg telnet, ftp, mail,
etc), let alone a lot more versatility, configurability and a much prettier
workspace. =) (To name just a few.) =)
I assume that you mean application wise. Yes, in the past Linux was more
restrictive. I think you need to look again. Linux is starting to enter a
golden era, in the fact that application support is on a snowballing increase.
The number of apps for Linux is growing at a great rate and interoperability
with MS Windows, in the apps themselves, is also on the increase. Games being
produced are also coming out with ports for either MS Windows or Linux (amongst
other OS's). Software vendors are opening their eyes and actually starting to
think about portability again. Let alone things like samba, Wine, booch's,
etc.
For many server purposes, I can use a 486 to achieve greater performance than
what a much faster modern Pentium system running NT does, in all respects (less
memory, more functionality, better stability, etc). Try to push over the NT
box - *bang* a nice blue screen. Push the 486 box, and it just keeps on
chugging away. (Heck, you don't even have to push the NT, it often happily
crash itself for you. -- Ever heard of "preventative reboots" in the NT world?)
>From my point of view Linux does do more than what MS does and it does do it
better! =)
Even when it comes to matters like ease of use. Linux is now easy and fast to
install. There is no need to rebuild the kernel, or worry about complexities.
Nice command line, menu driven and X based configuration apps are available
with the more popular distributions. Often, less configuration is needed than
MS Windows (and certainly not more), most things are configured at installation
time. It is only a matter of minor and easy adjustment or two once things are
up (and these are usually optional).
There is no need to recompile the kernel, worry about horizontal and vertical
scan rates of the monitor in use for X, or other configuration hassle anymore.
(And this is improving constantly.) IMHO, a lot of ppl waste time being
super-fiddly with their Linux systems where there isn't any real need to, thus
giving the false impression of complexity.
Any learning curve with Linux, is certainly no greater than one with an MS OS.
In my experience, MS OS's are becoming more complex, and are actually scaring
away people who have never used a computer before rather than attracting them.
(You used to hear, "Oh, I wouldn't mind having a play on that.", now you are
more likely to hear "Argh! I wouldn't know what to do. Its all so confusing.")
Have another look at whats going on with Linux and a bit more of an enjoyable
play with it. =)
I know I'm personally way more productive under linux than what I am using
Win95.
All the best...
Michael.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: LinuxCAD technology in a long run.
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 19:23:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> You can relay on LinuxCAD technology in a long run:
> ==========================================================
>
Ok, here's a small company in the US making and trying to sell
a piece of software by advertising it on Usenet. What's wrong with
that?
Well, think how many small companies there must be in the US all
with software products they want to sell. There must be tens
of thousands. What about computer hardware; there must be ten times
as many of them. But thats not the only thing you could advertise.
You could advertise everything from warships to a local shop or
resturant. There's almost nothing you couldn't advertise on Usenet.
The Direct Marketing Association in the US says that there are 22
million legitimate businesses on the US alone. How many must there
be across the world; 500 million? What if each one of those businesses
sent one email per week to 1 newsgroup (SOftware Forge is sending
their's to 5 or more groups). There's about 30000 newsgroups but
lets round it up to 50000 to make the arithmetic easier. So:
# advertisements per week per newsgroup = 500 million / 50000
= 10000
Thats about 1400 new advertisements in every group every day. The
news servers around the world simply could not cope with the load.
Would you read Usenet if every newsgroup had 1400 new advertisements
in every newsgroup every day? I wouldn't. I'd probably stop when
when the ratio was 50:50 ads:messages.
This is why Software Forge must be boycotted. If even ONE company
ever does well out of Usenet spam, Usenet will be inundated with
spam. These people will not stop at one message to one newsgroup
per week. If Usenet spam is profitable for the spammer they
will be posting five ads a day, every day to hundreds of newsgroups.
Boycott LinuxCAD and protect Usenet.
Erik
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roy Stogner)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: CyberVision C52 monitor and X
Date: 31 Jan 1999 20:02:37 GMT
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:24:18 -0500, Douglas J Hagen wrote:
>I'm a newbie at Linux and have a problem with my monitor and X-windows.
>I have Linux installed fine on my computer, but at startx, I cannot get
>my display configured at all! I know that it has to do with the
>modelines, but that's where my knowledge ends.
Have you run XF86Setup (or another such program) to configure your
video card yet? Try the lowest frequency settings there, make sure
they work, then move up the scale until something breaks. (Check and
see if the frequencies are on your monitor label or if you still have
the manual first).
---
Roy Stogner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Dunross)
Subject: Re: Which files??
Date: 31 Jan 1999 20:21:13 GMT
On 31 Jan 1999 11:05:45 -0800, Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>-:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Dunross) writes:
>-:
>-:> I've got the bandwidth and drive space to download the Red Hat 5.2
>-:> distribution. But which directories to d/l??
>-:>
>-:> I don't need the sources. I am going to use
>-:> ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/linux/redhat/redhat-5.2/i386/.
>-:>
>-:> As best I can tell I need to d/l:
>-:>
>-:> ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/linux/redhat/redhat-5.2/i386/RedHat/*.*
>-:
>-:Interesting question here. Who's software is interpreting the "*.*"?
>-:Under standard Unix SW, "*.*" would miss some files with ".".
I am a Windoze user, I was using the "*.*" wildcard simply to signify:
all recursive content. My apologies for the confusion.
>-:I don't know how to install Linux from a download. Doesn't
>-:http://www.redhat.com tell you?
All the mirror sites I've seen, as I quoted, describe the d/l
directory as previously quoted. I, however, perceive a slight
opaqueness in the instructions. For example, the omission of the
/dosutils directory, needed for creation of boot disks, etc. is
indicative that something else similarly might be overlooked. I could
d/l the whole thing, but why be wasteful and gluttonous of bandwidth,
unnecessarily. Not to mention clogging my hardrive needlessly.
I've posted this query to a handful of groups, and no one has
responded. I asked in slashdot.org and received no help.
This is a simple thing, it seems everyone points you to buy a CD. Why,
I don't understand? FTP'ing files is not that difficult. Installing
from a partition is not inscrutable, or difficult.
I've searched Deja News and found not the answer. I am getting
dismayed. Thank you for the feedback.
>-: There are a couple resources
>-:on this under "Red Hat" in
>-:
>-:http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/installing-linux.html
Thank you. I'll check it out.
Ian
--
"'THE PENIS! MIGHTIER THAN THE SWORD!' No... wait... that's '*PEN* *IS*....'"
--Charles Shields
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Shaffer, Jr.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: BTTV driver and ADS ChannelSurfer TV+FM card
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 20:24:02 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have an ADS ChannelSurfer TV+FM card. It's a Bt848 device, but ADS apparently
doesn't want to release documentation for it (at least, they've never answered
me.) There are a couple of notes in the BTTV source (whatever version that
comes with the Linux 2.2 kernel) that the ChannelSurfer TV will be detected, but
they don't know about the TV+FM. When I try it, the boot messages claim that it
detects a Miro card. It displays video, and I haven't tried sound yet since
compiling 2.2. But I can't change channels! Does anyone have any hints as to
how to get this working? I've thought of hacking the source and hard-wiring the
type to ADS instead of Miro, but I haven't got around to it yet.
--
"Withdraw in disgust is not the same thing as apathy." --R.E.M.
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From: Neil Zanella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: A newbie versus "vi"
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:37:33 -0330
On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus wrote:
> > the ms-windows symbol that comes with 104-keyboards to ESC.
> > Then vi would be quicker.
>
> It may be nice / sound nice, however - it adds another level of
> complexity (tiny one, but the more keys the more complexity to a user
> interface) and secondly, it is definetly not a standard. (What about
> all those non-ms keyboards that don't have them. -- Too much work to add
> another kb definition, just to add one key on ms keyboards.)
All I meant was:
Most keyboards on the market are standard 104-key keyboards.
It would be nice if users with these keyboards had a way to bind
their MS key to ESC. I have heared of the xkeycaps package.
Would this do what I am suggesting, hence tricking vi into thinking
that there are two esc keys on my keyboard?
Neil
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From: The Ringleader of the Psycho Circus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:30:51 -0600
You fail to realize the size difference between the two countries...that is
like comparing Rhoad Island to California ..not a very fair comparison at all.
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>And I can't believe Intel engineers couldn't understand why they could
>>do this. They must be blind. Cheaper labor, No unions, People who are
>>happy to have a job and will do anything to keep it.
>
>I guess the following statistics are not true, then:
>
> USA Japan
>---------------------------------------------------
>union membership
> in total workforce 15.5% 24.2%
>
>average income per
> household $41,428 $53,420
>
>average income $15,930 $14,438[1]
> per capita $17,806[2]
>
>average income $31,671 $33,471[2]
> per working head
>
>average workweek 39.1h 38.2h
>
>yearly rate of
>industrial deaths
>per 100.000 6.4 2.8
>
>GNP / capita $25,850 $37,560
>
>Unemployment 6.1% 2.9%
>
>
>[1] Using average household size of 3.7 (given with the figure on average
> per household income)
>[2] Using average household size of 3.0 (given earlier, and much more in
> line with the ratio of 125,000,000 population vs 40,000,000 households,
> particularly as that is 1995 population and 1990 households)
>
>>Seems like a no brainer to me.
>
>Seems to me like someone needs to do a bit of research before shooting
>off his mouth.... Both union membership and productivity seem to be
>roughly 50% higher in Japan than in the US. (Yes, of course that is
>a simplistic way of interpreting these numbers. But at least it takes
>the numbers into consideration at all!).
>
>Bernie
>
>P.S.: The above numbers were taken from the 1998 CD edition of the
> Encyclopedia Britannica, which just so happens to be published
> by a US company.
>
>
>
>
>--
>============================================================================
>"It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy...
> ...let's go exploring"
>Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
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From: Persona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Java ICQ
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:18:45 -0600
RCT wrote:
> Question and or Opinions I wanted to have the Java version of Icq
> installed on my Linux box,, I have heard from some "Linux Experts" to
> stay away from java??? Why???
It's not stay away from Java....It is, stay away from the ICQ Client
using Java as it is resource hungry and slow.
> And if I want to use some sort of
> online system like ICQ what should I use???
Try kxicq if you have KDE/QT libs or licq. You can locate them by doing
a search at www.freshmeat.net which will hopfully be back up Monday. Or
try www.linuxberg.com to see if it is on their site, or where they can
find the various ICQ clients.
> Thanks
> Chaz
--Persona
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam Vere)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Printing problem (Seikosha SP-1900+)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:00:30 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Okay, firstly I'm on the SuSE 5.3 distro.
Secondly, the printer I'm having trouble with is a Seikosha SP-1900+,
a very old 9-pin dot-martix with Epson FX-850 & IBM Proprinter II
emulation modes.
The problem is that no matter which I set it up for, not only is the
'Paper Empty' warning light always on, but also there are continual
'lp1 out of paper' messages passed.
Loading paper doesn't work since the bail bar does nothing. Neither do
any of the printers other control except the main power switch.
Frankly I am fed up.
Has *anyone* out there *evere* gotten this printer to work?
Or is it just a dead loss, & should I look for a newer replacement.
(ie. anything younger than about 8 years old...)
Thanks In Advance.
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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:52:18 +0100
From: "Patrick.Maartense" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
>
> Joe blow with use whatever software he can get for free. A company will use software
> that works or software that management told them that works whether or not it does.
>
Yep, To bad, I work for a (European Division HQ)of a big Softdrink company Based in
ATl, GA and we run (or crash) Windows...
Not my dicision not one from a person who knew what MS delivers, but ok, we have to...
Live sucks and then.....
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From: "Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: encrypted file system
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 07:44:52 +1100
G'day Oliver and all...
[...]
> - Matt Blaze's Cryptographic Filesystem (CFS) ontop NFS
[...]
> - Transparent Cryptographic Filesystem (TCFS) ontop NFS
Err... doesn't having it over NFS defeat the purpose in some respects?
(Considering NFS is known to have security holes.) (Not a go at you, just
making an interesting observation.)
All the best... =)
Michael.
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