Linux-Misc Digest #864, Volume #18                Tue, 2 Feb 99 09:13:09 EST

Contents:
  Intellipoint Mouse ("Steve D. Perkins")
  Re: Advice:  NT Service in C vs. Linux Daemon in C??? (Alexander Viro)
  SAMBA: cannot be recognized by win95 (Danke Hirasawa)
  Re: Smail for Redhat ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: libpthread.so file (Thomas Zajic)
  Re: please reply to this message! (Richard Steiner)
  Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use) (Jerry James)
  Re: Newbie Q: Exceed or Something else? (Rick Onanian)
  Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (James Ewing)
  Re: Newbie help with Linux, IBM PS/2 30-286 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Linux 2.2 upgrade pack for Red Hat 5.2 available (James Bourne)
  Re: Alternate WWW Browser ("David Z. Maze")
  Newbie-Gray screen with startx-Redhat 5.1 ("Quinn")
  Re: SORRY! (David Goldstein)
  Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Jim Richardson)
  Re: ES1688 sound card ("Striker")
  Re: Kernel 2.2.0 and pty's (Paul Kimoto)
  Re: Criminally Insane Programmers Are Attracted To Open Source Code ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Jim Richardson)
  Re: PROPOSAL: comp.unix.year-2038 (WAS: 2038 and Linux) (Tristan Wibberley)

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From: "Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Intellipoint Mouse
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 06:08:40 +0000

    Wow... okay, I was pretty impressed by the fact that someone told me
how to get my sound card working less than twenty-minutes after I posted
a question about it, but now it's time for the real stumper...

    Has anyone written a utility for making the flywheel on a Microsoft
Intellipoint mouse work under X-Windows? (KDE under RH 5.2, to be
precise).  I'm not so sure that Microsoft has "gotten around yet" to
realeasing the documentation and source code needed to easily write a
driver... so I don't know if anyone's been able to reverse-engineer it
or not.

Steve




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Subject: Re: Advice:  NT Service in C vs. Linux Daemon in C???
Date: 2 Feb 1999 07:07:27 -0500

In article <HMst2.800$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
David Sisk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi:
>
>I'm very interested in learning to develop server-side applications in C
>and/or C++ (such as
>a web-server, for instance.  I realize that the source for Apache is freely
>available, but I think that's probably a little difficult for me to start
>mucking around with.).   My C/C++ knowledge is limited, but I am
>studying it and experimenting with it of knowledge.  Given what I'd like to

        Look on metalab.unc.edu (former sunsite) in 
/pub/docs/unix-tutorials/courses/sockets.{ps,txt} - it's a nice step-by-step
description of writing simple servers (for UNIX). All magic is there and it's
explained. And read security-related FAQs - the thing will deal with untrusted
input, so it's a *must-know* for any platform. As for the language - go for
C. It's simpler and gives better control. One can write effectively on C++,
but it takes much better knowledge of language than in case of C.

>focus
>on, what are opinions on the easiest platform to start with (specifically,
>for socket-type daemons)?  In other
        If your server doesn't take ages to initialize its internal data -
put it behind inetd and let inetd do all socket-related magic for you.
It will establish connection for you and launch a new instance of your server.
Then you just have to read client's commands from stdin and write replies
to stdout. It doesn't solve security-related topics - if you read a string
and do system() on it you will be screwed on any platform, be it NT or UNIX.
Buffer overruns are not fun anywhere, so watch your strcpy/sprintf/etc. usage.
There is a lot of that stuff and it applies to any OS. RTFFAQs.

>Btw, does anyone write anything is just plain C anymore, or is everything
>pretty much done with C++?

        Not on UNIX. Plain C is pretty powerful thing and if you have all
you need in C libraries it's perfectly OK. And all libraries you'll need
here are in C. They are usable from C++, but they don't *require* using it.
Don't forget, you don't use widgets from server code. All C++ libraries
I know are widget-related (and there are C widget libs, anyway).

-- 
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid.  Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.

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From: Danke Hirasawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SAMBA: cannot be recognized by win95
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 01:09:57 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I just installed/configured samba-1.9.18p7 came with Slackware 3.5.  I
am running SMB through inetd.

After I configured smb.cong file, I tested it by  testparm.  It seemed
OK.  I also did  smbclient -L (samba-server) and smbclient -L
(win95-host) on the samba-server.  Both were working.

Now I am trying to see if I can see the Samba-server from the Win95-host

via NetBios, "net view \\(samba-server)" command on the Win95 host.  It
is NOT working.  Win95 complaining "can not locate the host
(samba-server)."    I have set Lmhosts file in c:\windows directory of
Win95 machine and confirmed that TCP/IP connection between two hosts is
working.  I tried to run SMB through standalone Daemons, but it did not
work either.  I checked upper/lower cases of  host name, did not matter.

If I load Win95 on the server (i.e. both machines are with Win95) then
NetBios is working OK.  What is potential problem of the SMB???

Thank you.




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Smail for Redhat
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:06:06 GMT

Kevin A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone have an RPM of smail ?

There is one on contrib.redhat.com in the libc6 area

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From: Thomas Zajic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: libpthread.so file
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 06:08:56 GMT

peter van toorn wrote:
> Hi
> I have a slackware Linux version. For a Corba installation I need a
> library called
>     libpthread.so.0,
> which is a library of the redhat linux release
> I do know it is available in a file : linuxthreads-0.5-1.i386.rpm ,
> which is a rpm file
> of redhat.
> question how do I retrieve the libpthread.so library within my slackware
> installation
> or
> is there another way to obtain the thread library

Slackware users don�t need no steeeenkin� RPMs! ;-) Look here:

   http://pauillac.inria.fr/~xleroy/linuxthreads/

HTH,
Thomas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Subject: Re: please reply to this message!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 23:47:03 -0600

Here in comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake unto us, saying:

>this is just a test, because i never get an reply on my questions
>here...  Please reply...

If you didn't provide enough detail in your questions, chances are that
many of is simply ignored it.  You might want to try reposting them and
making sure that the subject line contains something relevant.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
       OS/2 + Linux (Slackware+RedHat+SuSE) + FreeBSD + Solaris +
        WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
                Did I just step on someones toes again??

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jerry James)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.emacs,comp.editors
Subject: Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use)
Date: 01 Feb 1999 13:29:09 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jerry James)

I'm replying to a week-old article.  I hate it when my news server does
this to me (which is often).

On 24 Jan 1999 at 20:11:13 +0000, Erik Naggum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   but to answer the question: as long as you know that the word is not a
>   proper noun, you can change the case of the first letter however much you
>   like.  if you downcase a proper noun, you destroy its quality as a proper
>   noun.  if you fail to downcase a word that should be downcased, it will
>   gain qualities as a proper noun.  thus, you will have to answer the
>   question "should this particular _word_ be downcased" when going from
>   sentence-initial capitalization to the real meaning.  when going from the
>   meaning to sentence-initial capitalization, nothing is lost or gained.

I can't quite bring myself to break a lifelong habit of capitalizing
first words (sorry Erik).  However, this discussion has brought up some
interesting points.  For example, the automatic text conversions that
Erik mentioned in another article are complicated by the loss of
information discussed above.  But that is not the only place where
information is lost in English writing.  For example, does an apostrophe 
indicate a contraction or a possessive?  Does a period indicate the end
of a sentence or an abbreviation?

Has anybody studied the problem of automatically converting text in the
ways Erik described in the face of such information loss?  In some
cases, one can establish additional rules to sort things out (e.g.,
don't use contractions [*], put one space after an abbreviation and two
after a sentence), but I doubt that it is possible to fully recover the
lost information.

Ironically, while typing this message, the announcement for Pterodactyl
Gnus v0.75 arrived.  This version contains, in part:

        (gnus-treat-capitalize-sentences): New variable.
        (article-capitalize-sentences): New command and keystroke.


[*] Yes, as a matter of fact, I *did* do that on purpose.
-- 
Jerry James
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW:   http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~jerry/

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From: Rick Onanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Newbie Q: Exceed or Something else?
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 16:42:09 -0500

Cyrus Mehta wrote:

> Suppose I have a Linux Box, running Samba to a number of Windows NT/9X PCs,
> is there any way to run X applications off the Linux Box, but viewed on my
> Windows boxes.
>
> At work, we use Exceed to login ot a server and run GUI applications on the remote
> server.
>
> Since I heard Exceed is expenseive, is there a cheaper (hopefully free) alternative.
>
> Cyrus

check http://www.starnet.com - they have an X server that I found easier to make work 
on
my systems at work, and you download a full demo - the only cripple is that it quits
after running for 2 hours (but you can go right back in).

Any better ideas, anyone?

  rick



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From: James Ewing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:04:55 +0100

On 2 Feb 1999, Jim Richardson wrote:

> On Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:33:19 -0600, 
>  pdohert, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>  brought forth the following words...:
> 
> >David Martin wrote:
> >> ANd I thought that the technology was invented in britain, made in Asia
> >> and sold to us by americans..
> >
> >Exactly *what* technologies that the modern digital computer relies on
> >were created in Britain?
> 
> ever heard of Von Neuman?
> 

Uhh..you mean the John Von Nueman who was born in Budapest, Hungary? The
John Von Neuman who lectured at the University of Berlin and then moved to
the USA in 1930?

What, exactly, was British about him?

Jim Ewing


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Newbie help with Linux, IBM PS/2 30-286
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 02:14:20 GMT

BTW, Microchannel buses ARE supported by several strands of Linux - Redhat,
Debian, and Slackware, and possibly others that I am not aware of.

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eoin) wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 21:45:48 -0500, "Charles Sullivan"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >If memory serves, the IBM PS/2 uses the microchannel bus, which is
> >not supported by Linux.
> >
>
> Model 30s are not Microchannel.
>
> --Eoin
>
>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Bourne)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.announce,linux.admin.isp
Subject: Linux 2.2 upgrade pack for Red Hat 5.2 available
Date: 2 Feb 1999 06:45:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

We have posted the i386.rpm, src.rpm, and patches on our WWW site at
http://www.affinity-systems.ab.ca/software/ for several packages needed to
upgrade a stock Red Hat 5.2 system to Linux 2.2 series of kernels.  These
should work on Red Hat 5.0, 5.1, and 5.2 but were compiled under Red Hat 5.2
and kernel 2.2.1.

Packages include are:

ipchains-rhcn-1.3.8-2.i386.rpm
modutils-rhcn-2.1.121-1.i386.rpm
net-tools-rhcn-1.50-1.i386.rpm
procinfo-rhcn-16-1.i386.rpm
util-linux-rhcn-2.9h-1.i386.rpm

Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Regards,
Jim

-- 
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Affinity Systems Inc.         | WWW: http://www.affinity-systems.ab.ca
Everything Unix               | Linux:  The choice of a GNU generation
======================================================================
Unix System Administration, System programming, Network Administration

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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Alternate WWW Browser
Date: 02 Feb 1999 08:27:52 -0500

Mo  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Mo> Since I read Netscape is not stable yet, I wonder if there are any
Mo> other good Browsers I can use. It should use the gtk-, xforms- or
Mo> motif-toolkit.

Netscape is more stable than any other browser meeting that
description.  Other browsers that don't crash include Lynx (my
personal favorite), a text-mode browser, and Emacs-W3.  Both are
perfectly usable iff the authors of the Web pages you view design
pages without browser-dependent features -- in other words, they aim
for the platform independence that HTML was supposed to present.

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From: "Quinn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Newbie-Gray screen with startx-Redhat 5.1
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 07:58:51 -0500

Newbie-Gray screen with startx-Redhat 5.1

I am very new to Linux, the Redhat 5.1  installation from Que seemed clean
and straightforward.  Install picked up the PS2 (MS IntelliMouse), NIC, also
had correct selection of Video Equipment: Optiquest V95 and STB Velocity
128.   My processor is a PII400 Intel 440bx chipset 128 MB SDRAM�.

The first install I made sure that X-Windows was selected and the color
depth was automatically determined.  When I try to start x I hang with just
a dark gray screen, no crunching of the HDD (waited about 10 min�. nothing)

The second install I set up the color depth myself and selected the no
chipset standard.  The same thing happened.


Suggestions ?

Thank you for your time
Jason

Please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]





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From: David Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SORRY!
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 20:26:22 +0100

> iBoy wrote:
> 
> Sorry if I offended many of you ppl by sending so many Posts.
> I apologize!
> Because I urgently need a reply so I sent so many posts.
> I REPEAT: SORRY!!!!!!
> 
> -- Andre
> 
> PS: PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!

Stop posting in that HTML format, please!

David

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: 2 Feb 1999 06:35:50 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:33:19 -0600, 
 pdohert, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
 brought forth the following words...:

>David Martin wrote:
>> ANd I thought that the technology was invented in britain, made in Asia
>> and sold to us by americans..
>
>Exactly *what* technologies that the modern digital computer relies on
>were created in Britain?

ever heard of Von Neuman?

>
>> Britain is a rainy, cold country. We took our criminals and shipped them
>> to a warm sunny country (a long time ago).
>
>Also everyone that wanted religious freedom left of their own free
>will.  Which continues to this day - 200-some-odd year slater.  Were you
>trying to make a point?
>
>> We invented the television
>
>Huh?
>

What about Philo T Farnsworth? _He_ invented TV. 
 Philo is my hero.


-- 
Jim Richardson
        Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
        Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.


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From: "Striker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ES1688 sound card
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 00:43:23 -0600

also steve hmm
in picking the interrups and whatnot
i had success with the default on 5 , and the next one down .. the ummm...
address not 220 i think
after all goes well

"linux , i pronounce it linux "


Steve D. Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>    OH MY GOD!!!!  Was that it all this time?!?
>
>    Thanks!
>
>
>Steve
>
>
>
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Try typing (as root) "sndconfig" at the command line. I think you'll
>> be pleasantly suprised.
>>
>> Steve D. Perkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> :     It seems that there is only one thing left keeping my Linux system
>> : from being "complete" and allowing me to just get rid of my Windows
>> : partition.  That is the fact that after years of Linux use, I am still
>> : without sound.  I've been a little too lazy to fool with it in the past
>> : (and it wasn't really that high of a priority)... but I've finally
>> : decided to knock it out.
>>
>> :     I was wondering if anyone else out there has an ESS "ES1688" sound
>> : card in their system, and what they had to do to make it work.  I have
>> : just re-installed my Linux box from scratch... with RedHat 5.2.  I
don't
>> : know if RedHat 5.2 already has sound support built into the kernel, or
>> : if you have to re-compile it (oh well, I've got to start experimenting
>> : with that someday anyway I suppose!).  If the sound support is already
>> : there, can someone tell me what I need to do to "activate" it?  If I do
>> : need to re-compile the kernel I don't expect anyone to explain THAT
step
>> : by step in a newsgroup posting... but can you at least point me in the
>> : right direction towards the resources I need to read to learn about it?
>>
>> :     Thanks!
>>
>> : Steve
>



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.2.0 and pty's
Date: 2 Feb 1999 01:58:05 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
Juan Leon Lahoz Garcia wrote:
> I've installed the 2.2.0 kernel, but when I boot up with this kernel
> xterm doesn't work (nor rxvt). The error message is "out of pty". In
> the file Changes, I've found that piece of info:
>
>|       As of 2.1.115, support for the deprecated major 4 /dev/ttyp* devices
>| was removed.  If necessary (eg, you get "out of pty" error messages when
>| you obviously are not out of pty's), create major 3 /dev/tty* and major
>| 2 /dev/pty* devices (see Documentation/devices.txt for more
>| information).  In general, you should make sure that your /dev
>| directory is up-to-date if you are experiencing any problems.
>
> The devices.txt only tells me the names: /dev/ttyp[0-9] and
> /dev/ptyp[0-9], but I have these names in use by major 4 devices.
>
> I would like to know how to create these devices, and if I can delete
> the deprecated ones (I want to mantain a 2.0.35 kernel).

Yes, you should delete the obsolete devices, and recreate them with the
correct major/minor numbers.  You will want something like

crw-rw-rw-   1 root     root       2,   0 Feb  2 01:51 /dev/ptyp0

and 

crw-rw-rw-   1 root     root       3,   0 Feb  2 01:51 /dev/ttyp0

An up-to-date /dev/MAKEDEV script should do this for you, or you
could do it manually using mknod(1).

-- 
Paul Kimoto             <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Criminally Insane Programmers Are Attracted To Open Source Code
Date: 2 Feb 1999 12:54:47 GMT

In the sacred domain of uk.comp.os.linux didst Marc Brett 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
:> `forking' I thought MS did something altogether different to their code -
:> it does begin with a f though and is the same length and ends ing too!

: `failing' ?

I think it actually ends in 'king'
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: 2 Feb 1999 06:36:38 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Mon, 01 Feb 1999 10:31:08 -0600, 
 Chris, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
 brought forth the following words...:

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>> Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> 
>> >And I can't believe Intel engineers couldn't understand why they could
>> >do this. They must be blind. Cheaper labor, No unions, People who are
>> >happy to have a job and will do anything to keep it.
>> 
>> I guess the following statistics are not true, then:
>> 
>>                        USA                  Japan
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> union membership
>>  in total workforce    15.5%                24.2%
>> 
>> average income per
>>  household           $41,428              $53,420
>> 
>> average income       $15,930              $14,438[1]
>>  per capita                               $17,806[2]
>> 
>> average income       $31,671              $33,471[2]
>>  per working head
>> 
>> average workweek       39.1h                38.2h
>> 
>> yearly rate of
>> industrial deaths
>> per 100.000              6.4                  2.8
>> 
>> GNP / capita         $25,850              $37,560
>> 
>> Unemployment            6.1%                 2.9%
>> 
>> [1] Using average household size of 3.7 (given with the figure on average
>>       per household income)
>> [2] Using average household size of 3.0 (given earlier, and much more in
>>       line with the ratio of 125,000,000 population vs 40,000,000 households,
>>       particularly as that is 1995 population and 1990 households)
>> 
>> >Seems like a no brainer to me.
>> 
>> Seems to me like someone needs to do a bit of research before shooting
>> off his mouth.... Both union membership and productivity seem to be
>> roughly 50% higher in Japan than in the US. (Yes, of course that is
>> a simplistic way of interpreting these numbers. But at least it takes
>> the numbers into consideration at all!).
>> 
>> Bernie
>> 
>> P.S.: The above numbers were taken from the 1998 CD edition of the
>>       Encyclopedia Britannica, which just so happens to be published
>>       by a US company.
>> 
>> --
>> ============================================================================
>> "It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy...
>>                                            ...let's go exploring"
>> Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
>
>You forgot to include the cost of living in that country.
>Did you research what it cost to rent an apartment in Japan.
>If you can find one.
>Chris


Not to mention that the Japanese have no capital gains tax.

-- 
Jim Richardson
        Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
        Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tristan Wibberley)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.software.year-2000,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: comp.unix.year-2038 (WAS: 2038 and Linux)
Date: 2 Feb 1999 13:34:17 GMT

In article <794fh9$86b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        Andre Fachat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In comp.os.linux.development.system Andreas Schwab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>wrote:
>> |> > 
>> |> > As an octal ascii string, like all other numbers in the header.
>> |> 
>> |> That is to say, `as a time_t'?
> 
>> As seconds since 1970-1-1 00:00:00.
> 
> fixed size?

>From above:

        As an octal ascii string...
                          ^^^^^^
I assume that means it goes from the first character to the \nul like C
strings, but stored in octal.

Note that this is followup'd to comp.software.year-2000 only as this is the 
closest to appropriate

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Tristan Wibberley

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