Linux-Misc Digest #873, Volume #18 Wed, 3 Feb 99 03:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: 2.2.1 and performance. (Frank Sweetser)
Re: Easy(?) kernel question. (Alexander Viro)
Re: time time time how can I tell the time (Villy Kruse)
Re: Hard drive access during "idle time" (Ben Russo)
Re: Hard drive access during "idle time" (Marco Anglesio)
Re: Q: disk space? (Ben Russo)
syslogd and high cpu loads (Frank J. Dziuba)
Re: FTP question (Ben Russo)
Free Linux or Open Source Virtual Servers ("Mr. Poet")
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Kenneth Hunt)
Re: gcc vs egcs (Michel Catudal)
Re: Stepper Motor control (Michel Catudal)
Re: NO gcc-g++ package in RedHat5.1 and RedHat5.2 ? (Michel Catudal)
Re: NO gcc-g++ package in RedHat5.1 and RedHat5.2 ? (Michael Powe)
Re: C++ with Emacs (Michael Powe)
Re: Linux apps in win2000 port news! (Colin Smith)
Re: fips (Villy Kruse)
Re: MP3 Encoder for Linux (Ben Russo)
Re: How do I change password from perl script? (Mark Paulus)
Re: su xterm -e (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (jedi)
A delni as a hub (Joe Linington)
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From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2.2.1 and performance.
Date: 02 Feb 1999 13:13:42 -0500
gus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I installed / compiled kernal 2.2.1 over the weekend, and have noticed a
> performance gain in orders of magnitude over the 2.0.36 I was running.
> Is this normal ;-)
yep =)
> Seriously, X is flying, Compile seems to be quicker, although I have no
> benchmarks, and generally I feel I get better response. My major thing
> is Netscape. I had it loading in about 10 seconds b4 the upgrade, and it
> now loads in a couple seconds. I have a mostly SCSI PII400 w/ 192M.
>
> I was not expecting such a performance change, and although pleasantly
> surprised, I would like to know if this is expected, and why? Is there
> some hardware which is better used?
2.1/2.2 thoroughly revamped the memory management, among other things.
while it won't make much of a difference on smaller machines, ones with
good chunks of mem (>=32M) should notice a signifigant improvement.
--
Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu fsweetser at blee.net | PGP key available
paramount.ind.wpi.edu RedHat 5.2 kernel 2.2.0 i586 | at public servers
If it weren't for electricity we'd all be watching television by
candlelight. --George Gobel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Easy(?) kernel question.
Date: 2 Feb 1999 23:43:23 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
cano_jonathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I can see how it might be considered a joke but no, I wasn't joking.
>
>I imagine that the question is quite easy for the right sort of
>person: someone who knows the x86 instruction set and architecture
>well (e.g. someone who has had to write assembler instructions for
>kernel scheduler)
It's not a scheduler question. On ix86 you don't need to do anything
special to flush TLB on a context switch. Any assignment to cr3 (address of
root pagetable) will do the trick. Look in include/asm-*/pgtable.h for
flush_tlb() and notice that on ix86 it will happen automatically as a side
effect of MMU context switch.
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: time time time how can I tell the time
Date: 2 Feb 1999 19:59:49 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Daddy Rabbit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I mistakenly selected the GMT setting during install now my time is
>all screwed up if I set the time back to EST in CMOS i get all kinds
>of error messages regarding the time. ( files have future date and
>such)
>
>Q: Where do I set the environment variable to tell Linux I'm in the
>Eastern Time Zone?
>
On redhat systems it is determined by following symbolic link.
/etc/localtime -> ../usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Amsterdam
/usr/share/zoneinfo/localtime -> ../../../etc/localtime
/usr/share/zoneinfo/posixrules -> localtime
/usr/share/zoneinfo/posixtime -> localtime
Keep the cmos clock on UTC time and it will work perfectly.
Villy
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From: Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hard drive access during "idle time"
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:46:27 -0500
"Mark M. Devaney" wrote:
> I have been getting some strange behavior... I am running RH 5.2 and as
> of late, the hard drive is getting accessed every few seconds for a few
> seconds... and it doesn't stop. Unless... I unplug my ethernet
> connection... This behavior just started yesterday. Is it possible that
> someone is in my system?? Or could it be something else? Any suggestions
> are appreciated.
>
> Mark Devaney
{let system sit idle for 10 minutes, while net is connected, and disk is
doing it's thing}
cd /
find . -mmin -10 -type f > modfiles; find . -amin -10 -type f >
accessedfiles
{this will find all files modified/accessed within last ten minutes.
go and look at those files to see what they are, if you are still
stumped,
post another message to the group here.}
-Ben.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Anglesio)
Subject: Re: Hard drive access during "idle time"
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 19:51:11 GMT
On Tue, 02 Feb 1999 19:24:13 +0000, Mark M. Devaney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have been getting some strange behavior... I am running RH 5.2 and as
>of late, the hard drive is getting accessed every few seconds for a few
>seconds... and it doesn't stop.
Could be the swapper, moving unused pages out to swap space. How much
memory do you have? If you're low this process could be quite frequent and
noisy.
> Unless... I unplug my ethernet
>connection... This behavior just started yesterday. Is it possible that
You mean that it starts and stops when you unplug your ethernet card? It's
possible that someone's accessing your system (either your website, or
ftp, or other network things). It's also possible that someone's
telnetting in to your system from outside. why not check last (%last |
less) to account for any unexplained logins?
marco
--
Marco Anglesio The press isn't cynical enough. They're the only Americans
[EMAIL PROTECTED] capable of this kind of embarrassing, greenhorn
http://www.the-wire.com/~mpa civic wonder anymore. (James Poniewozik)
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From: Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Q: disk space?
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:47:17 -0500
Igor Igorevich Tovstopyat-neli wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> What is the command to find out a free space on my linux partition?
>
> Thank you.
> Igor'.
df
--OR--
df -h
man df
-Ben.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank J. Dziuba)
Subject: syslogd and high cpu loads
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 06:49:47 GMT
We have a machine set up to receive syslogd messages from some other machines
so we can centralize our logs. It gets about 2-3 log entries per second.
It's a pentium 200mhz with plenty of ram and stuff, scsi disks, etc....
The syslogd process stays at about 70% cpu load! When we do some analysis
on it we see what appears to be a lot or DNS lookups on the
sending hosts. We put them in the /etc/hosts file thinking it would help
but the load is still high. Doesn't make sense. Anybody seen this or fixed
this?
thanks in advance.
Frank
--
Frank Dziuba
Silicon Beach Communications
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FTP question
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:50:48 -0500
Rick G wrote:
> Recently placed my RH5.2 box behind another Linux firewall. Opened up ports
> 21, 80, 1000 and up thinking that should cover ftp, apache webserver, I ssh
> into the same machine but different ip where I have 22 open for that.
>
> Question: When I ftp to the box I can login and change directory with
> everything working fine. Soon as I do "ls" the ftp client or shell freezes
> eventually I receive an error "Can't build data connection" and that's that.
>
> Any help would be appreciated,
>
> Rick G
login's to ftp are done on 21 (see /etc/services for standard port numbers)
but ftp session PORT's to other ports for transfers (ls get put)
if you are using "masquerading" it can get very confused about this.
I don't know how to fix this problem with masquerading, but I have had it in
the past as well.
try using "socks5" instead
I use it, and it works well
-Ben.
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From: "Mr. Poet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Free Linux or Open Source Virtual Servers
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:53:36 -0800
Hello,
http://www.linuxports.com/ is offering free virtual servers on it's website.
This is to help promote on of the hottest Linux Business sites around. If
you are interesting in this please take a look at either
http://www.linuxports.com/ or http://www.linuxports.com/deal.htm!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Kenneth Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:51:50 -0800
Fedorov Greg wrote:
> scientist and programmers (or the great majority of them) are either
> immigrants (i.e. are NOT americans, or are not of "american"
> nationality
> (if there is such a thing)) or simly are working for big buck american
> companies here but do not consider themselves as americans.
NEWS FLASH:
America is made almost entirely by 'immigrants'. Whether we hail from
Africa, Asia, S. America or Europe this is were we ended up and this is
our country, and nationality. Thank you very much. :-0
--
======================================================
Kenneth Hunt
SC S12 V321 Rm. C233
office: 364-7755 pager: 715-0600
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gcc vs egcs
Date: 3 Feb 1999 00:30:19 -0600
Frans Gumpu Slothouber wrote:
>
> : One thing I read about egcs is that it is more ansi compliant than gcc
> : which is not.
>
> It's better, but you will have a more hard time compiling a new kernel.
> You will have to apply a patch to solve a bug in the kernel source
> code that is a problem for egcs and not for gcc.
>
> After that it works fine though.
>
> Have fun,
> Frans.
Not really, I've compiled all my kernels with egcs in the past few months and never
got an error due to the bug you are talking about.
--
Tann� du plantage avec Ti-Mou?
Alors essayez donc Linux ou OS/2
http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat/
We have software, food, music, news, search,
history, electronics and genealogy pages.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stepper Motor control
Date: 3 Feb 1999 00:30:17 -0600
Mark Grosberg wrote:
>
> Why would you need Visual Age? I would think a compiler would be a pretty
> portable piece of code. I am assuming of course there is a command line
> version :-) If that is the case, a port should be pretty easy. If not, I
> am sure you can make the interface between the compiler proper and the UI
> simple enough that you can make a simple console user-interface when
> compiling for Linux.
>
Simply because I use the open class library. No a port of IBM's C++ classes isn't as
simple as you think. I don't have all of the source code, like the templates for
example. One way I am looking at doing it if IBM decides not to port the compiler
is use wine to run the dlls compiled under winblows. The wine group claims that
we can run dlls under wine.
> ... I wonder how hard it would be to modify Wine to support the OS/2 API.
> Can't be that hard... Win32 stole so much from OS/2 2.x
>
> L8r,
> Mark G.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NO gcc-g++ package in RedHat5.1 and RedHat5.2 ?
Date: 3 Feb 1999 00:30:19 -0600
WangQiang wrote:
>
> Hi, All
>
> I am Upgrading my Linux system. I found that there is no gcc-g++ package in
> either Redhat 5.1 or 5.2. (The latest version is gcc-c++2.7.2.3-8 in RedHat
> 5.0). Can someone explain this to me?
>
The buggy gcc crap is being replaced by egcs, but it is still there, just read
the RedHat book, they talk about it. g++ may not be there but it's useless anyway
unless you enjoy core dumps.
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NO gcc-g++ package in RedHat5.1 and RedHat5.2 ?
Date: 02 Feb 1999 22:56:02 -0800
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>>>>> "Michel" == Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Michel> WangQiang wrote:
>> Hi, All
>>
>> I am Upgrading my Linux system. I found that there is no
>> gcc-g++ package in either Redhat 5.1 or 5.2. (The latest
>> version is gcc-c++2.7.2.3-8 in RedHat 5.0). Can someone explain
>> this to me?
>>
Michel> The buggy gcc crap is being replaced by egcs, but it is
Michel> still there, just read the RedHat book, they talk about
Michel> it. g++ may not be there but it's useless anyway unless
Michel> you enjoy core dumps.
Whatever. This is a seriously misinformed statement. But then,
people who write buggy programs always blame the compiler.
mp
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: C++ with Emacs
Date: 02 Feb 1999 22:48:29 -0800
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>>>>> "Scallica" == Scallica <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Scallica> Yo, How do I enable color coding in emacs (in X windows)
Scallica> when I am writing C/C++ code? Thanx.
Use the `customize' feature -- it's on the `help' menu.
mp
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From: Colin Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux apps in win2000 port news!
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 20:24:48 +0000
M Sweger wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just saw on the biz wire that a company http://www.interix.com has
> developed a 64 bit application that runs a a unix/linux emulator within
> the MSoft Win2000 (NT5.0) platform environment. They want alot of
> Linux apps ported to their API interface so that Unix runs within Windows.
> Seems kind of ironic since Linux is trying to run Windows apps in Unix;
> but we don't have the source code to their stuff, but they have ours.
> Hmmm! seems like there isn't any competition again. Msoft is supporting them
> though.
>
Hmmm....... Yes lets spend lots of money to run our Linux applications inside an
emulator on Windows NT rather than on Linux...........
Doh.....
Why bother?
>
> They have a limited list of things they want ported such as gcc (all compilers and
>assemblers) and emacs and Tex to name a few. You have 2.5 months to do it
> by -- they end of January 1999. Anything else is nice but they won't pay for.
> Those they'd like you to port will only pay a maximum of $1000 to a cheap
> payment of $500. They didn't mention [conveniently] that they would like the
> linux kernel or Sunos x86 kernel etc to run within the interix Win2000.
> The reason it was supposed to be done by the end of January 1999 (now past)
> is due to todays press release about this product.
>
> Hmmm! if you can't get the Unix software vendors to port their stuf from Unix
> to Window Nt, then make the Unix apps run within NT! In this way you can
> say that your OS is a engineering workstation.
>
> --
> Mike,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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|Colin Smith: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows 2000: |
|Linux: Delivers on the promises Microsoft make. | The Zeppelin of |
| http://www.linux.org/ | operating systems.|
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: fips
Date: 2 Feb 1999 19:56:28 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
David Ricardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I�d like to know how to solve this: I'm using fips to non-destrutive
>partition creation and this program share my HD capacity ( 3.4 GB) in
>3.2GB Primary Partition and 0.094 MB Extented Partition. Now I'm trying
>to share de Primary Partition(3.2GB), and a message shows up in the
>program and finishes it. The message is something like that: "...
>image.idx or "something".fil are in the last cylinder". I've run the
>defrag program but it doesn't make any effect! Please help -me !!!!
>From Brazil!
>
First read the readme.1st that comes with fips, and then the .doc and
.faq files. It contains the answer to your question + a lot of other
important information.
Villy
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From: Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MP3 Encoder for Linux
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 15:45:30 -0500
Steve Harvey wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering what people are using these days to encode MP3 files
> under Linux. I was using the 8hz encoder several months ago, and liked
> it a lot, but now I see they've pulled it off their website due to
> possible problems with Fraunhauer(sp?) :(
>
> Is there anything comparable that people recommend, or other sites where
> I could still get the 8hz encoder? I've looked around on the net a bit
> and nothing jumped out at me.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
If you have a copy of 8hz-mp3 I don't see any reason why you couldn't keep
using it.
You could go to http://freshmeat.net and search for "mp3 enco" I did, and
found a lot of different encoders are available.
BTW.
--DON'T PIRATE MUSIC--
I buy CD's and then rip off just the songs I like and put them on my PC and
LAPTOP. Then I can listen to great play lists shuffled up.
-Ben.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Paulus)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How do I change password from perl script?
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 20:36:59 GMT
I believe that for security's sake, password does not
accept piped input. If this is true, then you should check
out EXPECT. This is another scripting tool based upon
TCL, but it can do "keyboard scraping", so is very nice
for automating any program that does not want to be
automated.
http://expect.nist.gov
or browse news:comp.lang.tcl
or buy the Oreilly Exploring Expect book by Don Libes.
(Has a bonus overview chapter about TCL, another pretty
nice scripting tool.)
On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:47:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl Renaut) wrote:
> I usually use BSD UNIX, but I am trying out linux. To automate
> certain procedures I need to be able to set a persons password
> from a perl script. The following works fine on BSD but is
> not working on my RedHat 5.2 Linux and I don't understand why!
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> $PASSWORD="testit123";
> $USERNAME="test";
> open(PWD,"|/usr/bin/passwd $USERNAME");
> print PWD "$PASSWORD\n";
> print PWD "$PASSWORD\n";
> close (PWD);
> exit;
>
> It looks like the passwd program is getting extra stuff sent to it
> besides the passwords that I am printing to the pipe.
>
> Is there another technique?
>
> --
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: su xterm -e
Date: 2 Feb 1999 15:40:52 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <797kcc$lih$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I would like to run my ppp-on command, for which I need to su, in a remote
> xterm. After becoming su, when I try
>
> xterm -e /etc/ppp/ppp-on
>
> I get a cryptic error starting with
>
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Your X session is set up so that clients that want to connect
to the server need to provide a "magic cookie", which is kept
in the ~/.Xauthority file. One way to allow root access is to
set the XAUTHORITY environment variable to the appropriate
.Xauthority file. (The root user can read any file on the
system, so it doesn't matter that the permissions on the file
are rw-------.)
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:11:41 -0800
On Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:28:01 GMT, Art VanDelay <> wrote:
>On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:12:44 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kinkster) wrote:
>
>>On
>>m$ _crossed_ the line when the integrated the browser and OS out of
>>their paranoia of what applications running on NS could do to Windows.
>
>This doesn't make any sense. I like the OS/Browser integration.
>There is no "definition" of an OS, and if you leave it up to the
Yes there is. It's just not very convenient for you
to acknowledge it. Computing is a profession. Like it
or not, there is some consensus within that profession.
MS Mosaic crosses that line in a fairly uncontroversial
fasion.
>Government, there will be some stupid definition which will stifle
>further progress in PCs. What is Windows 3.1,95/98/NT, but a bunch of
>programs that together make the OS. Why don't the calculator
>manufacturers cry about competition, or WinFax people, or e-mail
>people, or CD-Player people, or game manufacturers, cause you know, MS
>is using its muscle to put solitare, and pinball, or freecell in the
MS Mosaic ain't no Solitare.
>OS, which has no business being there, right? I'll give you the
>answer, the other companies (right now) are COMPETING in the free
>market instead of the Jim Barksdales of the world using the US
Except Microsoft gets unlimited free, gauranteed delivery
to nearly every microcomputer desktop on the planet. That
hardly characterizes a 'free market'. It certainly may
resemble anarchy. However, even libertarians dont really
associate that with liberty.
>Government for personal gain (or to mask his incompetance to the
>shareholders of his now-AOL-owned company). The US Gov doesn't know
>how to do anything right except to screw things up and exploit class
>envy, and enslave us with confiscatory taxes, they are damn experts at
>that. Now they will dictate computer Operating System Standards for
>us to follow, Thanks Jim!
>
>You can still run that piece of shit software AOL Netscape browsers on
>Windows OS's, but it's worthless software that, because of a lack of
>competiton, is going to suck more with each new release!
>
>Hey, Linux, FreeBSD and other developers, You'll have your day, when
>the US Gov dumbasses make the fucked up rules to follow, you maybe
>will wake up then!
We have no monopoly to protect. So for the rest of us,
that would not be a problem. You can de-bundle as much of
FreeBSD or Linux as you care to.
>
>
>>>>It is not the purpose of the trial to figure out about either of this.
>>>>It *is* the purpose of the trial if their actions have not only been
>>>>loathsome, but illegal according to the laws of the United States.
>>>>This, of course, is a matter for which opinion polls cannot provide an
>
>Nobody really knows the purpose of the trial, except Barksdale, et al.
>because he/they started it all.
>
>>Judge Jackson is a _conservative_ judge , I think he's seen his share
>
>He certainly doesn't seem conservative!
Of course not, he doesn't fit your limited criteria.
>
>>of liars and bullshit/con artists in his years on the bench to know
>>where m$ is coming from. Chairman Bill's sudden attacks of amnesia
>>sure haven't helped m$'s case, nor have m$'s internal e-mails
>>(paraphrased slightly) "how can we _force_ consumers to use IE" , " I
>>don't see how IE is going to win , we keep just copying NS, we should
>>be _leveraging_ Windows more." Etc. m$ has been caught with their
>>pants down by an opponent that _won't_ go away and _can't_ be steam
>
>I guess Bill Gates MUST know of every corrispondence, every e-mail,
>every word ever spoken by each of its employees, huh?
It's his JOB to be aware of the important things.
The buck stops with him whether he likes it or
not and regarldless of whether or not he's up to the
task.
>
>>rolled. More power to the DoJ !!
>
>Yeah, that exactly what we need. The Clinton(liar) justice department
>enforcing truth! You are a bozo!
You have your lexicon confused.
--
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is coerced to the point where it will scratch your eyes out / | \
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From: Joe Linington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: A delni as a hub
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 02:34:37 -0500
Is it possible to use a DELNI as a hub for a small ether net. I have 2
Novell NE-1000 network cards and a DELNI. I know that the actual purpose
of a DELNI is to act as a multi-port transiever from the main bus but
I would like to use it as a hub to make a small network to learn about
this wonderful technology. I recived the equipment and wiring (Thick
Transiever Cable) in a job lot and would am unable to invest in newer
technology right now. I have sucessfully configured the cards (Linux
recognizes them and ifconfig returns information about them) but I can't
getr the 2 computers talking to each other through the DELNI when
connected to ports 1 and 2. I get a time out message. I have also
recieved this same message using PLIP but I belieeve that this is due to
the low speed of the parralell port on the one computer. I need to
network the 2 computers under redhat 5.2 and kernel 2.0.36 in order to
install Linux on the 1 computer that does not have a large enough hard
drive to hold the installation and install it (I got Redhat 5.2 via FTP
but I still have all of the original packages)
The other option that I do have is to use some older ARCnet card with
RJ-11 TP cable but the installation boot disk does not have support for
ARCnet wich is beyond me because all ARCnet cards use the same driver.
If I could somehow boot off of a boot disk and then mount the
NFS filesystem through ARCnet and the install linux that would work. The
problem is that I have no idea how to invole the install program from
the command line. I also am not sure how to compile a Kernel and get
everything needed into a disk etc. I do not have any BNC cable, T's or
terminators or I would use these on any one of 3 types of interfaces.
ARCnet, Ethernet or good old Token ring. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
Thank you in advance. (please reply to email address as well as this is
cross posted)
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