Linux-Misc Digest #937, Volume #18 Sun, 7 Feb 99 08:13:13 EST
Contents:
Re: Ditto Tape Device on Linux (Charles Stroom)
Re: one thing really great about Linux.... (Frank Carney)
Linux/KDE/Netscape PAGING immensly (Kaustav Bhattacharya)
Re: User Friendly ISP for Linux (Tommy Willoughby)
syslinux....configuration (Suad Musovich)
Re: Linux Friendly ISP (Alexander Viro)
>>> Compaq SCSI controller (Yin Tan Cui)
Re: /lib/modules/2.0.34/misc/lp.o: init_module: Device or resource busy (jamie)
What do I need for recompiling the kernel? (Razor)
Re: syslinux....configuration (Yin Tan Cui)
Re: Making FAT32 Partitions Available to Normal Users (Ed Young)
Write to disk every five minutes? (oak)
Re: > 64MB RAM (Sitaram Chamarty)
Libs (root)
Permission denied on /dev/sg* ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: NFS mounting volumes on OS/2 (DOS, NT) systems (James Knott)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Michael Powe)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Michael Powe)
Re: Emacs problems (Michael Powe)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Michael Powe)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Michael Powe)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Stroom)
Subject: Re: Ditto Tape Device on Linux
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 09:28:54 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 06 Feb 1999 16:57:39 -0600, Robert C. Paulsen,
Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>TheAirBear wrote:
>
>According to the ftape documentation it is supposed to work, but I have
>my doubts. I have posted several comments and questions about this but
>no one has ever responded saying they can make it work.
>
>In my case I *can* get it to *almost* work but there are two problems:
>
>1. It only reads/writes at about 1/2 MB per min. In Windows the drive
>does 18MB/min -- more with compression.
>
>2. I get permanent read errors. I have been able to read back up to
>about 10 MB before getting errors, but never more. The same tapes work
>error free with Windows.
>
I have a similar experience with the 2 Gb ditto floppy tape drive
from Iomega: onder Windows it works without any problem: it backs-up
and checks the contents quickly and reliably.
But under linux, it sometimes produces so many write or read errors
that it hangs, or goes backwards/forward, etc.
I once made an attempt to write the full 2 Gb to the tape and I
only succeeded once. At first, I thought it was the drive, which
got replaced, but I suppose it is the ftape driver which is not
good enough.
--
Charles Stroom
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
url: http://www.stroom-schreurs.demon.nl/
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From: Frank Carney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: one thing really great about Linux....
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 23:25:58 -0700
Let me clarify. I was refering to the fact if you do not like something
about Linux then you can change it. Try getting rid of the logo on the
start menu, not! If you don't like the logo on Redhat, well, take your
source and ... um ... change it!
--
To e-mail me please click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or remove
remove "NOSPAM" from the reply-to address.
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From: Kaustav Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux/KDE/Netscape PAGING immensly
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:15:51 +0000
Reply-To: k, dot, bhattacharya, at, bbc, dot, co, dot, uk
I have 128MB RAM, no swap partition, Red Hat 5.2, KDE 1.1pre2 and
Netscape Com 4.5 installed. All loaded up and running. I open 6 NS4.5
windows, all browsing. Linux starts to page and grind as if all hell
has broken lose, so much so that I cannot even open a term to do a top
and see what's slowing things down. What could have gone wrong? I
later rebooted and loaded NS4.5 and did a top. 22% mem??? Is that
wrong!?!? 22% of RAM taken out on a 128MB RAM PC? Something must be
rather wrong here, or is that normal? Was not creating a swap a bad
idea? Surely with 128MB you don't need a swap? Or do you? hhmmmm...
think I'm heading for my 6th linux reinstall in two weeks. I've seen
people with a mere 32MB RAM, a P166 run RH5.2/KDE1.1pre2 and NS4.5 just
fine and their system we blazing along with several other apps loaded..
maybe I need to actually compile my own Qt or GTK+ instead of using
pre-compiled binaries... jesus, learning how to compile, tar, recompile
kernel and partition and what-not in two weeks just to run Linux...
definitely an education.... might not recommend linux to the old
Granddad for a while :-P
Kozzey
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From: Tommy Willoughby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: User Friendly ISP for Linux
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 09:33:25 GMT
Roy Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know of a good Linux base ISP where one can simply enter their
> name and p-word without writing a book. Save ME FROM
> WIN_DA Roy:} my current isp uses chap one pain to configure but it could be
> easy for I'm A newbie.
Chap's a snap. one line in /etc/chap-secrets
[EMAIL PROTECTED] * password *
Just like that - stars and all
and then make sure you have *no* log-on script - chap handles it all.
AT&T has a newsgroup for such issues - can't remember the exact name
but if you search for "worldnet", I'm sure you'll find it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Suad Musovich)
Subject: syslinux....configuration
Date: 7 Feb 1999 09:03:09 GMT
Does anyone know what configuration settings in the syslinux.conf file
to boot to another OS (like DOS)?
The documentation tells you only how to extract the bootsector etc.
and not what you put in the config file.
help
Suad
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Subject: Re: Linux Friendly ISP
Date: 7 Feb 1999 04:54:34 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Tim Hamza wrote:
>>
>> I'm sorry, I hate nitpickers, but for some reason this just got my goat.
>> The internet was around long before Compuserve was conceived. Get your
Long before they began to provide public access to their systems,
you mean. Originally they ran timesharing systems (TOPS-10 on KA) and
provided access to them (for companies) in *early* 70s (70-71) - not too far
from the moment when ARPANET appeared. Definitely waay before NSFNET.
>> facts straight, buddy. Having used the internet long before there was a
>> WWW, it is amusing to see that many people don't know the difference.
<chuckle> Practice what you are preaching, OK? BTW, WTF does it
have to Linux?
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: Yin Tan Cui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: >>> Compaq SCSI controller
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 09:50:18 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just got a Compaq machine which has an embedded SCSI adapter. The full
name is
compaq integrated 32-bit Fast-SCSI-2 controller.
I tried to install Linux but during the installation, the SCSI card
didn't get pick up. This system uses NT before, and in the NT
configuration, the SCSI adapter gets listed as
NCR 53c710 SCSI host adapter.
In the installation of Linux, I choose the NCR53c7xx driver to try to
detect the SCSI card, but it was unsuccessful.
I tried to compile a kernel in another Linux machine with SCSI
support(not as module), and I included NCR 53C7xx support, but it did
not work. the error is like:
VFS: can not mount root.
but the scsi detection is before this, and none gets detected.
Can someone tell me how can I get this SCSI card/CD-Rom to work?
There are 3 SCSI disks attached to this SCSI card.
If possible, please reply by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thank you.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jamie)
Subject: Re: /lib/modules/2.0.34/misc/lp.o: init_module: Device or resource busy
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 23:50:20 -0600
Stef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>When I say
>modprobe /lib/modules/2.0.34/misc/lp.o
>I get
>/lib/modules/2.0.34/misc/lp.o: init_module: Device or resource busy
>
>What could keep the parallel device busy? I have a ZIP, but the
>corresponding module is not installed. My Kernel is 2.0.34
Could printer support have been compiled into the kernel itself,
instead of module, and the module laying around from a previous
modules install?
--
jamie ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
"There's a seeker born every minute."
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From: Razor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.redhat,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.install
Subject: What do I need for recompiling the kernel?
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 00:21:27 -0800
Hey guys :-)
I have old 486/66 mhz, 16 mb ram, 540mb hdd (285 mb available for
Linux). As u see I have very little space for my Linux. So I had Redhat
5.1 installed on it , but when i've decided to recompile my kernel, i
went to /usr/src/linux and found out that i don't have /usr/src/linux
(or /usr/src/linux-2* )!!! I forgot to include something when i was
installing Redhat :-)
So then i've decided to reinstall linux and i've included
"kernel-headers, kernel-source, gcc, bin86", when I was recompiling the
kernel (when i was making "make zImage" it gave me an error that i don't
have something (like tools/build or smth like that). So please, could u
tell me what the complete list of packages i need to recompile my
kernel? On my primary puter i was always installing everything (except
howto in multiple languages) , so i didn't have this problem :-)
So please, tell me what do i need to successfully recompile my kernel
Thanx in advance :-)
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From: Yin Tan Cui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: syslinux....configuration
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 10:03:10 +0000
Suad Musovich wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what configuration settings in the syslinux.conf file
> to boot to another OS (like DOS)?
Normally, this is done by LILO. ie, you edit the /etc/lilo.conf to
include another OS. you need to enter info like which partition it's
on and also, a label for this OS. I'm not sure what distro of linux
you are using. I use redhat and I don;t have such a file called
syslinux.conf.
For more info about how to use LILO, please read the LILO Howto.
> The documentation tells you only how to extract the bootsector etc.
> and not what you put in the config file.
>
> help
>
> Suad
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Ed Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Making FAT32 Partitions Available to Normal Users
Date: 7 Feb 1999 11:29:00 GMT
Steve D. Perkins wrote:
>
> Well, after a week of learning more than I actually set out to learn
> <smile> about Linux system administration, I've finally learned enough
> to set things up to where I can get my work done logged in as an
> ordinary user instead of root. Almost...
>
> The only kink I have left to solve is related to filesystems. As it
> stands right now, I only have read-write access to my FAT32 Windows
> partition when I am logged in as root... my normal user account only has
> read access. Also, my normal users' access to the CD-ROM is somewhat
> "limited"... although I have given normal users permission to access
> (and even mount/unmount) the CD, when I try to run CD music players
> (such as kcd under KDE) I get the error message "do not have access
> permissions for /dev/cdrom".
>
> Does anyone know an easy way to give read-write permissions to
> ordinary users for a mounted FAT32 partition... or what the missing link
> might be with the CD-ROM? Thanks!
>
> Steve
Secure Mounting for DOS Partitions:
In order to open up permissions on your DOS partitions in a
secure way do the following:
Note: in the samples below the dos usrid (63) and grpid(63)
were selected so they wouldn't duplicate any other
usrid or grpid in /etc/passwd or /etc/group.
Also, this solution works with RedHat 5.2, you may
have to adjust it slightly if you are using a
different distribution.
1) Make a dos user who can't login by adding the following
line to /etc/passwd:
dos:*:63:63:MSDOS Accessor:/dos:
2) Make a dos group and add users to the dos group. In the
following example root and ejy are in the dos group. To
do this add a line like the following to /etc/group:
dos::63:root,ejy
3) Add the following line (changed to suit your system) to
/etc/fstab:
/dev/hda1 /C vfat uid=63,gid=63,umask=007 0 0
Of course you have to locate your DOS partitions in the
first place. This is done by issuing the following
commands as 'root':
/sbin/fdisk -l
df
cat /etc/fstab
The `fdisk -l` command lists all available devices. `df`
shows which devices are mounted and how much is on them.
And /etc/fstab lists all mountable devices. The devices
remaining are Extended partitions, a kind of a partition
envelop, which you don't want to mount. And the
partitions allocated to other operating systems which you
may want to mount.
4) Create a mount point for your DOS disk by issuing the
following commands as root:
mkdir /C
chown dos.dos /C
With this setup the C: drive is mounted at boot time to /C.
Only root and ejy can read and write to it. Note that vfat
in /etc/fstab works for vfat16 (and vfat32 natively for
Linux 2.0.34 and above).
Enjoy...
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From: oak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Write to disk every five minutes?
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 11:35:13 GMT
I'd like to change the behaviour of linux to write to disk every 5 minutes
instead of every few seconds. Anyone know how I might do this?
update (bdflush) and kflushd seem to be running already, is there a command
I can give to the system to write to disk only every 5 minutes?
This would allow me to spin down the hard drive long enough to do some
recording.
Also, I might want to raise this time to, say, an hour or so if I'm just
editing a file in order to have some real silence - I have a noisy hard
drive. I can write to a floppy to keep whatever I'm editing backed up.
I recall hearing of some kind of danger in doing this sort of thing....if I'm
backing up to floppy what exactly can go wrong? Corrupted file system...?
Thanks,
-Tony
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Subject: Re: > 64MB RAM
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 11:42:31 GMT
On Thu, 04 Feb 1999 00:50:22 GMT, Christopher Browne
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does it freak anyone else out that L2 caches these days have more
>storage than we used to have as the combined RAM and disk space on
>machines of yesteryear? My first computer had 32K of RAM, and 120K
>floppies...
I was thinking exactly the same thing yesterday! The first
interactive *and* multi-user computer I used had 256 K of memory
and 4 terminals. If one of us compiled, the others couldnt do
much :-) (No VM!)
Now I have an L2 cache of 256K on one machine and (I think) 512K
on the other!)
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Libs
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 02:08:20 GMT
I have just compiled/installed news libs. Which process do I have to
restart to re-read the config file?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Permission denied on /dev/sg*
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 12:44:40 GMT
In article <78c26l$jeb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I have tried to link all of the various /dev/sg* to /dev/cdrom. They
> > are other-readable and SCSI generic support is compiled into the
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> The generic devices must be readable *and* writable. The README and
> troubleshooting docs both mention this.
> > Could not access device /dev/sga: Permission denied
> Exactly what it says.
Well, no. I have the same problem... as root and after a chmod 777 on the
offending devices. Non-configured devices get, as one would expect, "Device
not configured" but configured, permission "crwxrwxrwx" devices (I did a
chmod 777 /dev/sg*" - pretty drastic, but it didn't help at all) get
"Permission denied" from scsi_info /dev/sgX where X is a or b (I also made
devices sg0, sg1 etc in case the name was important for some reason - nup).
Please CC your elegant and simple solution to my email address. (-:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Knott)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: NFS mounting volumes on OS/2 (DOS, NT) systems
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 22:39:48 -0500
Reply-To: James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Frank Bures" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am trying to mount a volume on the system running OS/2. In order to do
>that, I have to define (at least I think so) a drive letter in /etc/fstab.
>
>Is for example 'host:d:\dir1\dir2 /mnt/os2' etc.
>
>the correct format for the fstab entry? Those two colons look weird to me.
Here's what I use to mount my Linux root under OS/2 as the L: drive.
The linux computer is called (for some strange reason) linux.
mount -u0 l: linux:/
You should be able to set up what you need, using the TCP/IP
configuration in OS/2.
--
E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
_________________________________________________________________________
The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 07 Feb 1999 00:29:27 -0800
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>>>>> "Kinkster" == Kinkster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Kinkster> On Fri, 05 Feb 1999 14:01:20 -0600, "Keith G. Murphy"
Kinkster> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> If you don't like it just don't read it.
>> It's not got a thing to do with whether I liked it. Mostly
>> agreed with it, in fact. It's wasted bandwidth on the 'Net to
>> quote it like that. Not to mention that I've had to download
>> the whole thing again just to read that you liked it.
>> Seriously, I'm not trying to be a butt, I'm trying to turn you
>> on to a little Usenet etiquette.
Kinkster> You may shove it up your ass if you don't like it.
Geez, what a jerk. Get your head out of that stinky dark place. Guy
tries to be nice to you and this is your payback. Let me guess
... you're a 15 y/o mama's boy with not enough homework to keep you
out of newsgroups. Too bad.
Damned clueless AOL'ers. (I couldn't resist. ;-)
mp
- --
Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: 07 Feb 1999 00:06:35 -0800
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>>>>> "look" == look <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
look> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc didst Michael
look> Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe: : Oh
look> wait, how can that be? <Americans> invented that idea 5
look> years : later. Oh, I know. The British used a time machine
look> to travel forward : to 1946, saw what the Americans were
look> doing, stole the idea and : time-travelled back to 1941 to
look> use it. That makes sense.
look> Errrr.... The machine used to break Enigma codes in 1941
look> was a mechanical thing with lots of wheels and things.
Err ... sorry, nope. It was first designed to use vacuum tubes but
they could not figure out quite how to make it work & they were under
time pressure. So, the final design used electronic valves for
translating input from paper tape and doing the calculations; and then
generating output through manipulating the "wheels and things" in
order to produce a typewritten result. Its use of the electronic
valves and its ability to store some of its program internally is why
some people give Colossus the credit for being the "first" computer.
mp
- - --
Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Emacs problems
Date: 07 Feb 1999 00:52:02 -0800
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>>>>> "Matt" == Matt Caswell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Matt> The problem is definately due to proportional fonts. Once
Matt> emacs has loaded I am able to change the font manually to a
Matt> fixed width font. Everything then works as it should. My
Matt> problem now though is that emacs is ignoring my .Xdefaults
Matt> file. No matter what I put in there it doesn't seem to make
Matt> any difference. I have to change the font every time emacs
Matt> loads up. Why might that be?
Hmm, seems like I already posted this once.
emacs*font: -b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-12-90-100-*\
- -m-70-iso8859-1
This particular font is from the GNU international font set. You may
not have it. Run xfontsel and it will enable you to pick out and
"design" one of these font lines. Use courier if nothing else. Once
you have it, click the 'select' button -- this puts the font line into
the clipboard. Then you can call up .Xdefaults in emacs and paste the
result into it.
mp
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Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: 07 Feb 1999 00:17:35 -0800
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>>>>> "Paul" == pdohert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Paul> Christopher B. Browne wrote:
>> >> "Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels." -- Samuel
>> Johnson > >Or is it the first????
>> That would be, if memory serves, Ambrose Bierce's
>> observation...
Paul> And that would be his *opinion*, not a fact. Just because
Paul> he's quoted as having said it does not make it a true
Paul> statement. Michael's use of this as an argument "technique"
Paul> is ridiculous. He tried to use that quote as a way to say
Paul> that those us demonstrating "patriotism" (if that's what you
Paul> want to call stikcing up for oneself and countrymen) were
Paul> "scoundrels".
Actually, I just used it in the same way as it was originally
expressed: as a sardonic comment on people trying to puff themselves
up behind the pretense of "patriotic" feeling.
Then I was going to mention that Sam Johnson is well known as the
creator of the first English language dictionary; but I remembered
with whom I was speaking. I'm sure if I pointed out that fact, you'll
be jumping in here claiming that no, that was Noah Webster. So, I
won't mention it.
mp
- --
Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: 06 Feb 1999 23:09:47 -0800
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>>>>> "david" == david perron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Tough to just admit you were wrong, eh? Well, it's equally
>> "asinine" to maintain that Americans deserve all the credit.
>> The theoretical and yes, even some of the practical, groundwork
>> for the construction of ENIAC were laid in England. If it had
>> not been for the work done in England, especially in the early
>> 40s, there would have been no ENIAC in 1946. I don't know why
>> this is such a tough concept for some people to handle.
>> Machismo Americanos -- just can't admit that the rest of the
>> world can have a hand in anything. Sheesh! You're about on
>> the level of the Russians who claimed to have invented
>> television.
>> Read it and weep:
>> http://www.humanities.mcmaster.ca/~stu19/hum2e03/o'brien/humaniti/colos.htm
david> Error 404: Not Found
david> The requested URL (Universal Resource Locator)
david> "/~stu19/hum2e03/o" was not found on this server. The link
david> you followed is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server
david> has been instructed not to let you have it.
david> Convenient to use links that don't work to make your case.
I don't use a broken browser. Yours obviously can't parse the
apostrophe in the url. I had this problem with w3/emacs but, thanks
to simple perserverance, I was able to figure out what was wrong and
determine that both lynx and netscrape will go there.
david> And speaking of not admitting you were wrong, I guess that
david> point I made about Babbage didn't deserve a rebuttal. Or
david> did I have a point after all? Funny how you ignored that
No, you were confused by your lack of knowledge about Babbage. The
Difference machine <was> built, during Babbage's lifetime, by a
Swedish engineer name Scheutze. Ironically, the British gov't bought
one of them!
Babbage's really seminal thinking was laid out on the Analytical
Engine, which as you didn't know, was never built.
Even more irony -- the man who was instrumental in the design and
construction of the Harvard Mark I (considered the predecessor of the
ENIAC) "consciously saw himself as Babbage's successor."
david> one. If you remember, I was not the one who was doing the
david> chest-beating about my country. In fact, YOU were the one
david> chock full of pride and superiority by association because
david> the computer was "invented" in your country. The excuse
What the H are you talking about? I was born in the dinky town of
Lewiston, Idaho, USA and I have resided in this country my entire
life. For better or worse.
david> And that comment about "Machismo Americans" (actually
david> machismo is a noun, so your grammar is all fucked up here)
Whatever. Actually, it was "machismo Americanos."
david> is a generalization, which takes you even further from the
david> moral high ground and just shows you lack objectivity. As
I make no pretense to "objectivity" -- whatever that is. I'll leave
that self-delusion to you. I do make some pretense to have acquainted
myself with some facts -- something almost no one else in this thread
felt compelled to do. I guess everybody spent so much time talking
they had no time left for reading.
mp
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