Linux-Misc Digest #45, Volume #19 Mon, 15 Feb 99 05:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: KDE is a Memory Hog. ("RAZOR")
Re: Console hangs when trying to mount FAT32 partition... help! (David Brown)
Re: Why Does Linux Thrash So Bad? (Bill Unruh)
Console hangs when trying to mount FAT32 partition... help! ("David J.V. Brown")
Re: Why Does Linux Thrash So Bad? (Floyd Davidson)
vgetty experts (Szambi)
Re: Recovering from a forgotten root password... ("Karsten M. Self")
Re: Partition deletion problem ("Karsten M. Self")
Re: Dual booting.. (Steve Limkemann)
Re: Bunch of pretentious Wankers (Michael Powe)
Re: KDE is a Memory Hog. (David Steuber)
Re: SCIOCADDRT: Invalid Argument.... HELP ("[EMAIL PROTECTED]")
Re: Linux begginer's questions ("Karsten M. Self")
Re: Why is X video setup for i386 so complicated? (Keith)
Re: ext2 filesystem problems... (Steve Broderick)
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From: "RAZOR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE is a Memory Hog.
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:33:43 -0800
Hey guys!
I have 486 puter with fvwm on it (Redhat 5.0) . It works kinda slow
Is WindowsMaker even faster than fvwm (w95 look)? If it is, i'll switch to
it in a heartbeat :-)
Frank Hale wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> but for me I will keep using WindowMaker as it is
>> MUCH faster.
>>
>
>Couldn't agree more. Window Maker kicks the crap out of KDE in terms of
>speed.
>
>KDE has become just as bloated as any MS product out there. I mean take
>a look at the ftp site. You have to download over 10 megs of junk to get
>any use out of it. I will stick with WindowMaker, much smaller and about
>10x as fast.
>
>*The above statements are my opinions, take it with a grain of salt*
>
>--
>From: Frank Hale
>Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>ICQ: 7205161
>Website: http://www.franksstuff.com/
>
>"Microsoft, Just Say No"
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From: David Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Console hangs when trying to mount FAT32 partition... help!
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 03:19:23 -0600
Nevermind... figured it out.
In case anyone runs across this while having similar problems:
I misconfigured my character set while setting up (v)fat support in menuconfig. The
first option
it presents is "Codepage xxx (US/Canada)" and the help blurb suggests it if you live
in one of
those places, which I do.
BUT, down off the bottom of the screen the ISO Latin 1 character set is hiding, and
the blurb with
that tells you that it's used as the default in the US as well as in [Western Europe].
So, the apps like fdisk that were just looking at the low-level filesystem saw that
everything was
ok, but any attempt to traverse the tree using the psuedo-corrupted filenames resulted
in failure
(i.e. mount choked on it).
Whew. Glad that's over. Now what can I mess with? ;-)
Dave
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: Why Does Linux Thrash So Bad?
Date: 15 Feb 1999 06:56:21 GMT
In <7a825m$mb0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ed Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I've got a 300 MHz Pentium II with 128 MB of RAM and 512 MB of swap. But
How do you have 512M of swap? A swap partition is limited to 128M.
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From: "David J.V. Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Console hangs when trying to mount FAT32 partition... help!
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:44:56 -0600
Hey all...
I've installed kernel 2.2.1, and my console hangs whenever I try to
mount my VFAT(fat32) partition. I've done a lot of looking into it (you
can see the groundwork below) but haven't been able to figure out why
this is happening yet...
Background:
* Was using Linux kernel 2.0.36 with modular vfat support (RedHat 5.2
distribution)
* Compiled 2.2.1 kernel source with gcc 2.8.1 and glibc, no problems.
* Compiled vfat support into the kernel (not as a module).
* /dev/hda1 is a large (6GB) FAT32 partition.
* Linux and all ext2 fs partitions are on /dev/hdb
* Using mount version 2.9i
* linear addressing specified in lilo.conf
* Reconfigured LILO and everything seems to be working fine, EXCEPT...
Problem:
* Whenever I try to mount /dev/hda1 (e.g. mount -t vfat /dev/hda1
/win98), my session becomes unusable. By that I mean that it "hangs" --
it accepts input from the keyboard and echoes it to
the screen, but I never get a shell prompt back.
Supplemental Info:
* Logging in to a second virtual console and doing '# ps' shows me the
mount process, but attempts to kill it fail silently.
* /proc/filesystems lists vfat as installed.
* uname -a reports the correct kernel version and build time.
* fdisk reports the correct info for /dev/hda
(e.g. Device Boot Start End Blocks Id
System
/dev/hda1 * 1 784 6297448+ c Win95
FAT32 (LBA)
)
* examination of /var/log/ reveals the following, much of which I don't
understand:
...kernel: [MS-DOS FS Rel. 12, FAT 203,
check=n,conv=b,uid=0,gid=0,umask=002,bmap]
...kernel:
[me=0x5e,cs=0,#f=13,fs=0,fl=0,ds=0,de=43596,data=0,se=63542,ts=16842945,ls=0,rc=0,fc=4294967295]
...kernel: Transaction block size = 512
...VFS: Can't find a valid MSDOS filesystem on dev 03:00.
However, the MSDOS filesystem is intact. I can still boot Win98 (but
why? hehe) with no problems from the C: (/dev/hda) drive.
Whew. Well, I missed the mark on keeping it brief, but I think I
managed to include most things that might help you point me in the right
direction on this.
Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer!
David Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Re: Why Does Linux Thrash So Bad?
Date: 15 Feb 1999 05:44:43 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Andrew Comech wrote:
>>
>> I recall I read somewhere that the largest size of the swap
>> partition is 128MB. If you want to have more, you
>> need to assemble it from several pieces. I am not sure
>> whether this restriction still exists and how this might be
>> related to the described problem.
>
>It doesn't. It happens to me and I have 128MB of ram and no swap
>file/partition.
No swap with only 128Mb of RAM is almost guaranteed to cause that
kind of a problem if you run X and try using almost any of the
image editing or other memory intensive applications.
My guess is that anything from 100 to 300 Mb of swap would totally
eliminate your problem. I'd go for the larger size, since disk
space is cheap.
Floyd
--
Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pictures of the North Slope at <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:45:15 +0100
From: Szambi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: vgetty experts
Hi !
I have installed the mgetty tgz package included with sample scripts. I
tried
to let run message.sh that, but if the 'send ENABLE EVENTS' line in, it
won't play
however at 'send DISABLE EVENTS' the answer is HANDSET_ON_HOOK.
Why ?
If I remove these lines it plays. however after a delayed time.
Why ?
I have tried decrease the 'rec_silence_len' and 'dtmf_wait' but it
doesn't help.
Do somebody any idea ?
I have a Rockwell modem and want to use with RH4.1.
Thanks
Szambi
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From: "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Recovering from a forgotten root password...
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:01:56 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Luciano Cota Kahn wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am a new Linux user, so please, don't get upset with my question.
>
> I am using Red Hat 5.1. I am reading a book (Red Hat Linux Secrets, 2nd
> ed, by Naba Barkakati) and
> I read on the first chapter, a procedure to set up a new root password
> (if I forget the root password).
> Here is the procedure:
>
> 1. Power up the computer. At the lilo prompt, I typed:
>
> LILO boot: linux single (single user mode, it doesn't
> require to login)
>
> 2. I used passwd to change the root password.
>
> bash# passwd
>
> And that's it! I changed the root password very easily.
> I was really surprised. Is it a security hole? Can I disable this
> feature?
It is a security hole, however it is a known security hole: controlled
physical access is a necessary (but not sufficient) condition of a
secure system. Even if you'd closed the single-user login mode on your
machine, a floppy boot, or even swapping out the hard-drive to another
machine, would provide access to data and/or services.
For a standalone, home-user machine, you probably shouldn't be too
concerned. Yes, there is a hole, however, it starts at your front
door. A commercial server should be in a controlled-access
environment. True data security is provided by encryption and usage
policy.
Note that data compromise potential exists on _any_ machine which relies
on password authentication but provides physical access. A Linux boot
disk will provide access to FAT, NTFS, and HPFS filesystems on a PC.
Similarly, Mac, Sun, and other architectures are supported by Linux,
making data compromise via an unauthorized Linux boot possible.
--
Karsten M. Self ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
Welchen Teil von "Gestalt" verstehen Sie nicht?
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From: "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Partition deletion problem
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:03:34 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michail Konstantinidis wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'd like to remove my Linux system from my machine and place one large
> partition where there are now my smaller Linux partitions.
> I've removed LILO with fdisk /MBR but the FDISK recognizes all my Linux
> partitions as one single DOS extended.
You cannot modify Linux (ext2fs, swap, etc.) partitions with DOS FDISK.
Use Linux, a boot disk (http://www.toms.net/rb/) if necessary.
--
Karsten M. Self ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
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From: Steve Limkemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dual booting..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 07:06:22 GMT
In comp.os.linux.setup Bob McGowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steve Limkemann wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.setup Stephe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Well not sure what I'm doing wrong but maybe someone can explain.
> ---deleted some details on dual booting---
>> booting Windoze. See http://www.wwnet.com/~stevelin/booting.html for
>> the details. (Version 21 fixes the bugs covered on the page.)
> Steve, the above referenced URL returns "file not found" for both the
> file
> "booting.html" and for ~stevelin, though www.wwnet.com is reachable.
> Maybe the author moved?
Sorry 'bout that, a slip of the finger. I normally verify that the
address is correct, but somehow it slipped through. It should have
been http://www.wwnet.com/~stevelim/booting.html
--
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Westland, Michigan :: before you know it, you're talking real-time.
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bunch of pretentious Wankers
Date: 14 Feb 1999 22:35:55 -0800
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>>>>> "Chris" == Chris Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >Need I remind everyone that there are currently 115 people in
>> the USA that >are serving prison time for doing exactly what
>> Bill Clinton did. Lying in a >civil case regarding sex.
>> Pure BS. Do you have the numbers to back this up? All 115 were
>> jailed due to lying in a civil case about sex? Let's see the
>> cases.
Chris> I specifically remember watching a tv news show where they
Chris> interviewed 4 people who were in jail for lying about sex
Chris> in a civil case. In every instance, they were in jail for
Chris> perjury, not sex. If you are interested in facts and not
Chris> pointing fingers/calling names, you can do the research. I
Chris> know the facts are out there and I don't care to prove it
Chris> to everyone who will not do any research themselves.
Hmm, you mean ... "everyone" who is just like you. Last I checked,
vague memories of "some tv show" did not constitute research.
mp
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Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
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"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE is a Memory Hog.
Date: 13 Feb 1999 21:39:38 -0500
"David A. Frantz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
-> Matthias Warkus wrote in message ...
-> >Ease of maintenance.
-> >Elegance.
-> >Style.
-> You can have all of the above and still have an app that is conservative in
-> its resource usage. The way KDE uses memory you would have to wonder just
-> how careful the implementers were in there coding.
Sounds to me like you can write an equivilent window manager and
desktop with less resource usage. Go for it!
Are there any good GUIs that don't use a fair amount of resources?
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
s/trashcan/david/ to reply by mail
When will Altoids be available in 'extra strength'?
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From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: SCIOCADDRT: Invalid Argument.... HELP
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:18:25 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nobody wrote:
>
> I am setting up a Redhat 5.2 linux box as a web/ftp server. I am using an
> SMC EtherEZ ISA card. I have used this card on dozens of Linux Installs
> with no problems at all. In fact I installed linux on this machine using
> this card via FTP. I have never seen the error message SCIOCADDRT: Invalid
> Argument before... any help would be appriciated.
>
> Things that changed since the card last worked:
> The card was originaly setup to using DHCP, It now uses a static IP.
>
> Linux was installed while the machine was on another network than the one on
> which it currently resides.
Since I assume that the route command is failing based on your message
above check the url:
http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9612.3/0136.html
The page even has a complete rc.inet1 example that sets the loopback and a
eth interface (for slackware; I'm sure there's a comparable file on redhat
I just don't know where it is). Also, read the NET-3 HOWTO and make sure
your files are set up properly.
I just moved from 2.0.34 to 2.2.1 and had the same small problem.
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From: "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux begginer's questions
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:14:19 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AME wrote:
>
> Greetings all,
> I am new to device driver development on Linux. I have a couple of
> conceptual questions which I hope some of you will be able to answer.
>
> What exactly is a port? Is it a piece of hardware or is it some piece
> of software?
Yes.
A port may refer to a physical piece of hardware (serial port, parallel
port), or to a service location (e.g.: port 80, the HTTP service
location). The specific meaning depends on the context. Talking to
router guys is really confusing as 'port' refers both to hardware and
service ports, sometimes simultaneously.
> What does it do? How can you make a driver and a device
> talk to the same port? Are all i/o ports the same? direct ansewrs as well
> as referal to sources and urls is greatly appreciated.
This I don't know, as I'm not a real programmer. You might want to
check out a heavy duty book like "Unix Network Programming" by Stevens.
Other suggestions would be of interest.
--
Karsten M. Self ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keith)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why is X video setup for i386 so complicated?
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 07:14:27 GMT
On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 05:59:20 +0000, Steve D. Perkins
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Any mother will tell you that giving birth to a child is a painful
> > ordeal. It's similar with the X Window System. The aftermath makes
> > it all worthwhiler.
>
> Quite true, quite true. However, the same could be said for Linux setup
> itself. That is the great thing about distributions... someone out there has
> created a setup program that will get you going with a "base" to start from
> (yeah, you can set a ton of options during the setup program... but it's nowhere
> near as customizable as if you really built your Linux system from scratch).
> After installing this base (which is typically enough for novice users), advanced
> users can proceed to customize and tweak til their heart's content.
>
> There is no end to the customization of X that an advanced user can get
> into... but it would be nice if the simplistic creation of some "base" system was
> done better by distributions' setup programs. Every future Linux guru has to
> start out somewhere... and a metaphor to CHILDBIRTH isn't exactly a good "welcome
> wagon" to our community! <smile>
Hi, Steve! I am glad you voluntered to do this for the Linux community.
Please post the source code for the program in a Linux binary group,
when you are done with the program.
Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
>
>
--
Keith
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From: Steve Broderick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ext2 filesystem problems...
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:33:07 +0000
Hi.
The ageing part lends me to think...
Have you done a low-level format of this HD? Could be you need to. Have
seen old disks slowly getting unreliable to the point of unusable - brought
back to full health by low-level formatting.
Especially the case if using the HD on a system which is NOT it's 1st use
system. (My anecdotal inference is that different hard disk controllers have
sightly different timings etc, so for a disk moved from machine A to B the
sector data etc written to disk doesn't drop cleanly into HD's original
sector positions; over a time the "allowable errors" build up & HD becomes
unreliable.)
Kevin Cowtan wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I have Linux and W95 installed on an ageing 1Gb hard drive.
> Unfortunately it is beginning to lose the occasional block. When this
> happens I generally suffer the odd damaged file under Windows, but Linux
> falls over, giving a Kernel panic either during boot or after loging.
>
> Is the ext2 filesystem genuinely very vulnerable to bad blocks, or have
> I just been unlucky with which block have gone bad?
>
> Are there any utilities I could use to correct such problems before they
> stop the system from booting?
>
> Are there any other relevent new developments in the pipelines?
>
> This is currently limiting the usefulness of Linux as an OS on my legacy
> hardware.
>
> --
> Dr. Kevin Cowtan, Structural Biology Laboratory, University of York, UK
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