Linux-Misc Digest #45, Volume #26 Sun, 15 Oct 00 23:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (jazz)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (jazz)
Re: RH7 Kernel Compiling Problem (Timothy Murphy)
Re: Bizarre shell problem. NO WAY (ljb)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? ("Richard M. Denney")
Re: ensoniq soundcard (Carl Weidling)
Re: RH7 Kernel Compiling Problem (Hal Burgiss)
Re: compiling 2.2.16 ("Richard M. Denney")
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Bob Hauck)
Re: Can I install Caldera OpenLinux 2.4 from CD-ROM on PCMCIA SCSI? (Bob Hauck)
Re: What is a good graphical mail client? (Michael Meding)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? ("Jan Schaumann")
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Jean-David Beyer)
Memory fragmentation? (Jem Berkes)
Re: Expand .sit files? (Snoopy Doggy Dog)
Re: Expand .sit files? (Snoopy Doggy Dog)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Neil W Rickert)
Re: help audio on linux ("Goodie")
Re: Bizarre shell problem. NO WAY (Vilmos Soti)
Re: Bizarre shell problem. NO WAY (Black Dragon)
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 01:10:48 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the Linux world that will 100 percent
> emulate MSOffice. Nothing at all.
Including, of course, any other version of MSOffice besides the exact one
that you are using. Incompatibility and obsolescence by design.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jazz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:13:25 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:44:43 -0400, jazz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >All I ask for is the ability to import Star Office files into Word. Possible?
>
> Yes, it is possible. However, be aware that there are a few conversion issues.
> In general, documents will be imported/exported properly, but I've found that
> sometimes tables and other odds-and-ends don't come out 100% correct.
>
> You should run StarOffice and create a few test documents that use the
features
> you will be using. Swap between SO and Word and see what happens. Make sure
> that you create the original test documents in both SO and Word and do two
> separate test.
>
> Another possibility is to use HTML for true portability, but most publishing
> houses will not support that.
Well, the problem is that everyone I work with uses word, so I have to
give them documents in word. Even professional journals in my field prefer
to receive articles in word attachments, though some still accept Latex.
Thanks for your help.
Jim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jazz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:10:20 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've found that a good solution is to use Word under VMWare.
Thanks, what's that?
I just started looking at prices for Pentium III systems. Boy, cheap,
compared to the Macs I'd need to buy to run OSX.
Jim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Murphy)
Subject: Re: RH7 Kernel Compiling Problem
Date: 16 Oct 2000 02:28:54 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss) writes:
>>That said, I personally think it's ridiculous to have that limitation
>>in Redhat.
>It is not a limitation. It is by design.
...
>So Redhat decides to package two compilers -- one for kernel compiling
>(and where backward compatibility is important), and one with that is a
>little more robust which works a little better with *almost* everything
>else. Just a matter of getting used to it. I personally think it is a
>good thing. I've used kgcc only for kernels, and so far gcc for
>everything else, and seems to 'work'.
Wouldn't it be more logical to specify kgcc in the kernel Makefiles
in that case ?
--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tel: 086-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ljb)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Bizarre shell problem. NO WAY
Date: 16 Oct 2000 01:27:38 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Vilmos Soti wrote:
>
>> Check with ldd which libraries this program uses. There is a good
>> chance the loader cannot find one library.
>
>OK! Let me begin from the beginning. I try to run the file
>...
>like this
>[root@seawifs lnx86]# /usr/local/matlab5/etc/lnx86/lmhostid
>bash: /usr/local/matlab5/etc/lnx86/lmhostid: No such file or directory
>...
>This problem is clearly beyound my limits.
>Please help me!
You tried all the right things... and it still doesn't work. My
guess is that the file looks enough like an executable to make
"file" think it is ("file" only looks at the first few bytes),
but is actually damaged or corrupt beyond that point. When you
straced, execve got it and probably returned ENOEXEC (Exec Format
Error) when it tried to load it. So, is there any way you can
check the integrity of the file? I assume you didn't compile it
yourself; can you compare checksums (cksum) with whoever did?
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:32:05 -0500
From: "Richard M. Denney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
jazz wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I've found that a good solution is to use Word under VMWare.
>
> Thanks, what's that?
>
> I just started looking at prices for Pentium III systems. Boy, cheap,
> compared to the Macs I'd need to buy to run OSX.
>
> Jim
I think VMWare is the best solution. See www.vmware.com. I also run
Linux in a Microsoft-dependent medical school. In Linux I have Windows
NT4 loaded with MS Office and Adobe photoshop and they work fine. For
goodness sake, use whatever tool is easiest for your job. VMware permits
one to have the best of both worlds.
Rick
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From: Carl Weidling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ensoniq soundcard
Date: 16 Oct 2000 01:38:35 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
kailash thakur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi!
>I have a problem with my ensoniq soundcard. I configured the sound
>when installing debian on my system a couple of weeks ago but the kernel
>
>module doesnt seem to be working at all. I tried a "cat /proc/pci " that
>gave me the following
>output:
>
>Bus 0, device 12, function 0:
>Multimedia audio controller : Ensoniq ES1371 (rev 4).
>Slow devsel. IRQ 9. Master Capable. Latency = 64. Min Gnt=12.
>Maxlat=128.
>I/O at 0xef00[0xef01].
>
>i then did a "modprobe es1371" and it executed with no error messages.
>
>I fired up xmms and tried to play mp3s -- it gave an error saying
>"couldnt
>open audio".
I have one of these (rev 7). As I recall I had some problems
but then I built it into the kernel itself, not as a module. You use
the ensoniq option under sound, not the OSS stuff, right? It even works
with my TV Tuner card.
--
Cleave yourself to logodedaly and you cleave yourself from clarity.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: Re: RH7 Kernel Compiling Problem
Reply-To: Hal Burgiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 01:42:07 GMT
On 16 Oct 2000 02:28:54 +0100, Timothy Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss) writes:
>
>>>That said, I personally think it's ridiculous to have that limitation
>>>in Redhat.
>
>>It is not a limitation. It is by design.
>...
>>So Redhat decides to package two compilers -- one for kernel compiling
>>(and where backward compatibility is important), and one with that is a
>>little more robust which works a little better with *almost* everything
>>else. Just a matter of getting used to it. I personally think it is a
>>good thing. I've used kgcc only for kernels, and so far gcc for
>>everything else, and seems to 'work'.
>
>Wouldn't it be more logical to specify kgcc in the kernel Makefiles
>in that case ?
It is in the 2.2.18pre series. I don't think this was done before
because there was no need. I believe also the makefiles included by RH
for RH7 did too (not sure since I don't use their kernels). That is also
how RH recomends handling older makefiles -- edit gcc to kgcc.
2.2.18pre15:
CC =$(shell if [ -n "$(CROSS_COMPILE)" ]; then echo $(CROSS_COMPILE)gcc; \
else \
$(CONFIG_SHELL) scripts/kwhich gcc272 2>/dev/null || \
$(CONFIG_SHELL) scripts/kwhich kgcc 2>/dev/null || echo cc; fi) \
-D__KERNEL__ -I$(HPATH)
--
Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:40:58 -0500
From: "Richard M. Denney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: compiling 2.2.16
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I just installed RH7.0. and I am have 2 problems,
> 1) When I try to compile the Kernel, I get the following error
> messages (this is after I have done make dep and make clean)
> /usr/src/linux/include/linux/modules/i386_ksyms.ver:142:1: warning:
> this is the location fo the previous definition
> make [2]: *** [ksyms.o] error1
> make [2]: leaving directory 'usr/src/linux-2.2.16/kernel
> make[1]: ***'first_rule] Error2
> make[1]: leaving directory '/usr/src/linux-2.2.16/kernel'
> make: *** [_dir_kernel] Error 2
>
> the second problem has to do with a USB port that I just added,
> when I boot with the USB card in the computer the system hangs after
> it mounts the USB filesystem and while it is checking the filesystem.
> When I take the card out it boots fine starting the driver and
> mounting the USB filesystem. The computer uses USB-uhci drive. I was
> going to try the other driver but I am also having the problem above
> and con't compile a kernel.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated
>
> Thank you
>
> John Miller
Concerning kernel compilation, see the discussion in this newsgroup
(below) about using kgcc instead of gcc for kernel compilation in
RH 7.0.
Rick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 01:43:44 GMT
On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:46:43 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the Linux world that will 100 percent
>emulate MSOffice. Nothing at all.
There is nothing in the _Windows_ world that will 100 percent emulate
MS Office either. I guess this means that choice is dead in word
processors and nobody is allowed to use anything different. Somehow
this does not sound like good news to me. YMMV.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Can I install Caldera OpenLinux 2.4 from CD-ROM on PCMCIA SCSI?
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 01:43:46 GMT
On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 15:02:50 GMT, E. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On my subnotebook, I've only got access to a SCSI CD-ROM drive via my
>Adaptec PCMCIA SCSI card.
>I badly want to install COL 2.4. Can anyone help me?
This should work, assuming that the PCMCIA card is supported. You will
likely have to use the boot floppies or the install-from-Windows option
since you probably can't boot from the CD. If you don't have the
floppies, there should be images and a DOS program called "rawrite" on
the CD.
I installed COL 2.3 on a laptop with an external CD on a PCMCIA card.
It is not dual-boot, but it installed easily enough. I have never
installed any version of Linux from within Windows, so I can't tell you
how well that works.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: Michael Meding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is a good graphical mail client?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 02:07:44 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Walt,
> My outgoing (smtp) server requires authentication with username and
> password to control spam. So far Netscape is the only linux app that
> I've found that will do that. Any others you know of?
I remember somebody pointing me towards a pop-before-smtp script to get
sendmail and fetchmail up and configured.
So then I guess you might use any kind of email client.
Anyway,
otherwise it was still plain old clicking on receive then on send for
mails....
Greetings
Michael
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From: "Jan Schaumann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:48:16 +0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In article <qEqG5.3541$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jan
> Schaumann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Well, then you probably want to take a look at
>> -abiword
>> -StarOffice (BLOATware)
>> -ApplixWare (payware)
>>
>> Or you can just distribute your documents as pdf's...
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jan
>
>
>
> Please tell me more. For example, I just wrote a paper with someone in
> LA. I'm in New Jersey. I wrote a draft, emailed it to them, they revised
> it, resent it to me, I revised and made additions, sent it back, he
> revised, and I sent some additional parts, he put it all together, and
> sent it out to all the other authors, as a word attachment they all can
> read and make changes to.
Well, not having used any M$-product in over two years I don't know about
the specific features of Word.
Also, I do not have any experience with having multiple people edit *one*
file. But what I *do* know is that ms-word (or rtf for that matter) is
NOT intended to be a portable document format (meaning being readable
independant of the platform, looking the same on all). That'd be pdf.
Anypdf generated on any platform will always look the same on all other
platforms, that's what pdf is for. If you want to have other people edit
*your* document and then see what changes they made - well, it may well
be that Word can do that better than LaTeX for example.
All I'm saying is that I'm sure that with a little bit of practice you
will find yourself to be working much more efficiently using LaTeX than
using word - you don't have to worry about what they document looks like
while you're writing it.
No more "highligth this, choose style, don't like it, choose another
style, hit return 5 times, hit spacce 20 times, change font size
blahblahblah".
But I'm rambling...
use whatever you think does the job best for you. If you nedd 100%
MS-Word conformance, you will need MS-WORD, that's the sad truth. But if
you need 100% efficiency, well, that's a completely different story.
Cheers,
-Jan
--
Jan Schaumann <http://www.netmeister.org>
Please add smileys where appropriate.
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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:00:51 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the Linux world that will 100 percent
> emulate MSOffice. Nothing at all.
>
> THe Linux toys are a joke. Try them for yourself and see how well your
> presentations translate.
I find Applixware pretty good substitutes for Microsoft Word and
Microsoft Excel. They do everything I need (I am not a Microsoft Office
power user and never was), including importing Word and Excel documents.
They also have presents, that supposedly does the stuff Powerpoint does,
but I have not tried it.
For really serious publishing, I used to use troff, but I now use LaTex
for that kind of thing. Microsoft has no satisfactory replacement for
those.
> When the rest of the world is running Office, why should you run some
> half assed wannabe?
Because I want a program that changes slowly so I can spend more time
using the tool than I must spend keeping up with never-ending feature
changes. Changes for the sake of showing off, instead of for fixing bugs,
has not favorably impressed me.
> Is your job worth it?
Of course it is: any job worth having evaluates my competence by quality
of the results and their timeliness, not merely the complexity of the
tools I may choose to use.
> claire
>
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:23:44 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (jazz) wrote:
>
> >I really need a powerful word processor with templates, styles, etc.
> >
> >What is available for Linux? How about for Powerpoint and Excel?
> >
> >Thanks ---
> >Jazz
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^ 9:50pm up 6 days, 3:28, 2 users, load average: 2.05, 2.09, 2.02
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From: Jem Berkes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Memory fragmentation?
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:14:15 -0500
Does memory fragment in linux with repeated allocations/deallocations?
I remember somebody telling me that Windows NT uses memory management
like linux, but from what I recall my NT box would slowly become
sluggish (over several weeks). Since people seem to run linux servers
for well over a year without rebooting, I'm curious about whether linux
has some sort of auto memory defragmentation.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Snoopy Doggy Dog)
Subject: Re: Expand .sit files?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:00:55 -0400
On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:32:18 +0200, Patrik Kempe babbled on about Expand .sit files?
proclaiming:
>Anyone that can tell me what app I need to extract macintosh .sit files?
If you have Windoze you can use Stuffit 5.5
What you need is a freeware program called Aladdin Expander (Aladdin is the company
that
makes StuffIT, which is the program that makes .SIT files)
http://www.aladdinsys.com/expander/expander_linux_login.html
****
"I have many beautiful flowers;
But the children are the most beautiful flowers of all."
-'The Selfish Giant' by Oscar Wilde
=====
Zophie Frances Sudol, 7 lbs, 11 oz. - Oct. 5, 2000
=====
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Snoopy Doggy Dog)
Subject: Re: Expand .sit files?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:03:56 -0400
On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:37:26 GMT, -ljl- babbled on about Re: Expand .sit files?
proclaiming:
>Try "file xxx.sit" and see if it reports it as zip.
>If yes then "unzip xxx.sit".
>
>I just discovered this less than a week ago,
>it worked for me :-)
Funny thing, I downloaded StuffIt the other day and played with it.... (I use Windoze
98SE. Someday I'd like to upgrade to Linux. I have Red Hat on CD, I just don't have the
disk space to run both operating systems). Despite the claims, I found that I could
make
smaller ZIP archives than I could ever make using SIT compression. Maybe I need a Mac
to
achieve this.
****
"I have many beautiful flowers;
But the children are the most beautiful flowers of all."
-'The Selfish Giant' by Oscar Wilde
=====
Zophie Frances Sudol, 7 lbs, 11 oz. - Oct. 5, 2000
=====
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From: Neil W Rickert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: 15 Oct 2000 21:20:08 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the Linux world that will 100 percent
>emulate MSOffice. Nothing at all.
That is exactly why one should *refuse* to accept MSOffice
documents. It is a Faustian bargain. Use it, and you sell your
soul to the Microsoft devil.
Demand *open* public standards for any document format you use.
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From: "Goodie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: help audio on linux
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 02:29:31 GMT
Xingzhi Zhang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.10.10010131629270.19050-100000@cuphy5...
Ok, I don't know if you have the same problem than i had but it is maybe due
to te fact that you have the possibility to connect your wires on digital or
analog.
On windows, playing with both is fine, but on linux i had to plug everything
under analog, so that may be it.
Or it is maybe due to user permission restrictions about using the soundcard
device or accessing the audio files in the mount directory.
I had to change both physical and configuration stuff on my debian, but on
other distros, it should be fine, only try to plug on analog if you have
both.
Goodie
--
_____________________________________
Hinode: http://www.ece.mcgill.ca/~tvial/greg/
_____________________________________
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Bizarre shell problem. NO WAY
From: Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 02:44:45 GMT
>>> Check with ldd which libraries this program uses. There is a good
>>> chance the loader cannot find one library.
>>
>> OK! Let me begin from the beginning. I try to run the file
>> ...
>> like this
>> [root@seawifs lnx86]# /usr/local/matlab5/etc/lnx86/lmhostid
>> bash: /usr/local/matlab5/etc/lnx86/lmhostid: No such file or directory
>> ...
>> This problem is clearly beyound my limits.
>> Please help me!
>
> You tried all the right things... and it still doesn't work. My
> guess is that the file looks enough like an executable to make
> "file" think it is ("file" only looks at the first few bytes),
> but is actually damaged or corrupt beyond that point. When you
> straced, execve got it and probably returned ENOEXEC (Exec Format
> Error) when it tried to load it. So, is there any way you can
> check the integrity of the file? I assume you didn't compile it
> yourself; can you compare checksums (cksum) with whoever did?
This is a very good advice. I would also add that make sure that
there is not a bad disk block under the file. Also, make sure
that the file is not located on a filesystem which was mounted
with the noexec flag.
However, I have to admit that it is strange that even ldd doesn't
show the libraries.
Vilmos
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Black Dragon)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Bizarre shell problem. NO WAY
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 02:52:08 GMT
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 00:02:24 GMT in comp.os.linux.setup,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `Servet Ahmet Cizmeli' said:
>OK! Let me begin from the beginning. I try to run the file
>
>[root@seawifs lnx86]# ls -l /usr/local/matlab5/etc/lnx86/lmhostid
>-rwxr-xr-x 10 106 users 219264 Oct 31 1997
>/usr/local/matlab5/etc/lnx86/lmhostid
No guarantees here. . .
Check the file attributes with "lsattr". A file with an `a' attribute
can only be opened for writing, and only root can change it.
See also: the man pages for "lsattr" and "chattr".
--
Black Dragon
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