Linux-Misc Digest #67, Volume #19 Wed, 17 Feb 99 05:13:17 EST
Contents:
Re: Received Castlewood ORB! But... ("Baseball")
bootp error (Yehia Mohsen Ibrahim)
Mounting... (Grand Poobah of PRAM)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Donn Miller)
Re: Making uninstall file lists (Larry)
Re: boot failure/No inittab file found (Anthony Christofides)
Re: Questions about glibc2 (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: How to use Iomega Ditto (Marc D. Williams)
Re: glib-1.1.15 and gtk+-1.1.15 with RedHat 5.2 (Dirko van Schalkwyk)
Re: one thing that sux about Linux.... (William Wueppelmann)
Re: bootp error ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Baseball" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Received Castlewood ORB! But...
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.periphs.scsi,comp.os.linux.hardware
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:33:31 GMT
Don't they make a SCSI version too?
How much does it cost and how much is the media?
Does Linux kernel 2.2 support this thing? I know it's been hyped by
CmdrTaco on Slashdot.org lately, I really want one of these...
Doug Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Quick follow-up: Removing the ZIP drive allows the ORB drive to work.
Apparently there's some
> compatibility problem having them both installed.
>
> --Doug
>
>
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:46:52 +0200
From: Yehia Mohsen Ibrahim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: bootp error
i've been setting up an operating system called SPIN and i've been
having problems in booting it through bootp.. i wonder if anyone can
help....
when typing "bootpd -d4" to get debug information from a static bootpd
session 1 get:
bootpd: info(6): bootptab mtime: Tue Feb 16 21:56:37 1999
bootpd: info(6): reading "/etc/bootptab"
bootpd: info(6): read 3 entries (1 hosts) from "/etc/bootptab"
bootpd: error(3): bind: Address already in use
our bootptab file has three entries which seem correct and are read
successfully....
would you have a clue where this error is comming from???
thanks..
yehia...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grand Poobah of PRAM)
Subject: Mounting...
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:20:41 GMT
I'm trying to set up my Linux box (running RedHat 5.2) so that any
user can mount cdroms and floppies. The GUI for this doesn't seem to
be working-aside from using something like supermount, how can I pull
this off? The mount man page has severly confused me..
--
"Men's indignation, it seems, is more excited by legal wrong than
violent wrong; the first looks like being cheated by an equal, the
second like being compelled by a superior."-Thucydides
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From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:34:43 -0500
Roger Marquis wrote:
>
> Glad to see this thread moving to substantive issues rather than
> which OS is incrementally easier for a novice to install. FWIW
> Solaris' x86 installation code was, in 1996, a generation ahead of
> where FreeBSD and Linux's installation code is today.
True, but you actually have to be able to boot Solaris x86 first, and the Solaris
install hangs on my machine. When I finally did get to the point where I could get
the Configuration Assistant to boot (after downloading images for the patch disks),
it couldn't boot the kernel off of my CDROM. But FreeBSD and Linux both boot up
with no problem, and I have no problems with my CDROM drive with either. I should
mention that the CDROM works with Windows 98, but that's an automatic given, since
99% of most vendors supply drivers for Windoze. So, those fancy Solaris x86
installs won't do you a world of good if you can't even boot up the install disk to
begin with.
I've had very few problems booting Linux and FreeBSD since I started using them in
mid 1995. So when it comes to hw support, you might say FreeBSD and Linux were
generations ahead of x86 in 1995. I'm not saying Solaris is crap; I'm sure it's a
great OS on the native SPARCs. But when it comes to supporting hw on Intel pc,
FreeBSD and Linux win hands down.
An aside: Sun could do something in the way of monetary support, i.e. donations, to
the Linux and FreeBSD projects, in exchange for driver support. Sun will donate
some money to the FreeBSD and Linux projects, and the developers of both systems
could write the drivers for Solaris x86. The result would be better hw support for
x86... it would be sort of a Co-op type concept.
--Donn--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry)
Subject: Re: Making uninstall file lists
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 16 Feb 1999 20:36:01 GMT
On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:34:52 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Richard Latimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> It would be useful to have a list of files created during a "make
>> install" under Linux. Two lines lines added to a make file should
>
>There was a program advertised on FreshMeat (freshmeat.net) that acted
>as a hook into /usr/bin/install and recorded all its actions.
>This might be a useful starting point.
I just do this:
make install &> install.out
And get a file of all the output make install generates.
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From: Anthony Christofides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: boot failure/No inittab file found
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:43:23 +0200
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Since there is no inittab file, it is quite normal that nothing happens
when you enter a runlevel; init doesn't know what to do with it.
In order to boot your system, at the "LILO boot:" prompt respond with
"Linux init=/bin/sh" (omit the quotation marks), or "Something
init=/bin/sh", where "Something" is the name you have given to the system
to boot. You can press tab at the "LILO boot:" prompt to see a list of
available systems. The "init=/bin/sh" is passed as a parameter to the
kernel, telling it to use /bin/sh instead of init. This will give you a
shell prompt, which you may use to enter commands to restore your lost
/etc/inittab file.
I'm attaching a version of /etc/inittab which I think is the default for
RedHat 5.1 (and differences with 5.2, if any, should be unimportant).
This may solve only part of the problem; whatever it was that deleted
/etc/inittab could have deleted other important files as well. It must have
been some mistake you made, though. Good luck.
Tiejun Yang wrote:
> Hi, there,
>
> I updated initscript and nettools using rpm packages on a RedHat 5.2
> system with kernel 2.2.1. The problem is I couldn't boot into my Linux
> after the update, the error message is:
>
> INIT: version 2.74 booting
> INIT: No inittab file found
>
> Enter runlevel:
>
> I tried to enter from 1-6, but none of them worked. Please help!
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7; name="inittab"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline; filename="inittab"
#
# inittab This file describes how the INIT process should set up
# the system in a certain run-level.
#
# Author: Miquel van Smoorenburg, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
# Modified for RHS Linux by Marc Ewing and Donnie Barnes
#
# Default runlevel. The runlevels used by RHS are:
# 0 - halt (Do NOT set initdefault to this)
# 1 - Single user mode
# 2 - Multiuser, without NFS (The same as 3, if you do not have networking)
# 3 - Full multiuser mode
# 4 - unused
# 5 - X11
# 6 - reboot (Do NOT set initdefault to this)
#
id:3:initdefault:
# System initialization.
si::sysinit:/etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit
l0:0:wait:/etc/rc.d/rc 0
l1:1:wait:/etc/rc.d/rc 1
l2:2:wait:/etc/rc.d/rc 2
l3:3:wait:/etc/rc.d/rc 3
l4:4:wait:/etc/rc.d/rc 4
l5:5:wait:/etc/rc.d/rc 5
l6:6:wait:/etc/rc.d/rc 6
# Things to run in every runlevel.
ud::once:/sbin/update
# Trap CTRL-ALT-DELETE
ca::ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t3 -r now
# When our UPS tells us power has failed, assume we have a few minutes
# of power left. Schedule a shutdown for 2 minutes from now.
# This does, of course, assume you have powerd installed and your
# UPS connected and working correctly.
pf::powerfail:/sbin/shutdown -f -h +2 "Power Failure; System Shutting Down"
# If power was restored before the shutdown kicked in, cancel it.
pr:12345:powerokwait:/sbin/shutdown -c "Power Restored; Shutdown Cancelled"
# Run gettys in standard runlevels
1:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --noclear tty1
2:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --noclear tty2
3:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --noclear tty3
4:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --noclear tty4
5:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --noclear tty5
6:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --noclear tty6
# Run xdm in runlevel 5
x:5:respawn:/usr/bin/X11/xdm -nodaemon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Questions about glibc2
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:43:48 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bruno Barberi Gnecco wrote:
>Hello everybody.
>
> I once tried to install glibc2 here, but the result was a mess, and
>I just came back to libc5. I'm willing to install it again, but I have some
>questions:
>
>a) things like ncurses and slang should be recompiled with glibc2. What about
>programs that use them as libraries and were compiled with libc5? Will them
>work with the new library? if not, is there a workaround other than recompile
>them all?
libncurses and some other cause a problem due to the same version numbers
and no, a libc5 programme is not going to work with a libc6 library as
a rule of thumb, although my termcap even did ... my termcap loves me 8)
Some programmes need to be changed if compiled against the glibc like
GNU cpio (hard learned wisdom ... I promise never to backup with -c again)
or have to be compiled slightly different (like smail ... due to the different
signal semantics it does not work in daemon mode anymore if compiled the
same way as for the libc5).
Although I am -> *THAT* <- and more happy about the new glibc, do not do it
all yourself if you are not in Unix programming. You might or might not run
into problems.
>b) What's the best way to install? the previous time I followed the HOWTO,
>but it wasn't clear about c++ stuff (and other stuff), but it let me
>uninstall very easily. (I don't want to buy new CD's)
Go for it if you've a distribution. I've none and want none or wait for
a binary package. Things that need to be recompiled if compiled against
glibc-2.0.6pre7 ...
libstdc++, libncurses, libslang, texinfo, ddd
... and a snag can be the bash that is compiled against libncurses on
some systems.
>c) What about the stability? I read that 2.1 is very stable, is it true?
>When 2.1 will be released again?
2.1 *is* still released, it is just for politics (or for someone personally
peeved ...) that it is not on the GNU mirrors. It is though the first
public release of a final version, but I applied enough patches to commercial
Unices too. I used 2.0.112 too as did others and it is quite some time so
you can be sure at least it is pretty mature.
In my opinion the glibc is much more important for developers than users
right now. It is *much* more standards compliant, it is fast and it has
all the bells and whistles. My system is now about 90 per cent 2.1, no
real problems so far.
>d) any further advices?
If unsure you might wait and see for some time, esp. since precompiled
binaries are easier to install and I kept my machine pretty busy recently.
It's really like a.out -> ELF some years ago; a bit messy in the beginning
and now no-one feels like mentioning it now anymore.
Cheers,
Juergen
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marc D. Williams)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: How to use Iomega Ditto
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 17 Feb 1999 09:36:02 -0800
On 16 Feb 1999 06:07:24 GMT, Juergen Fiedler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have to set up some backup solution. Urgently. The only piece of
>hardware in my possession that looks remotely usable for this task
>is an old Iomega Ditto Max. Now the question:
>How do I go about compiling support for it into the kernel?
>I heard that I need SCSI support. Then I also heard about compiling
>a ppa module. Which option (say, in 'make menuconfig') enables that?
>I have Slackware 3.6 with a 2.0.36 kernel. Seems it comes with ftape-2.08.
>Should I download a 4.x ftape? Can I unpack that into the Linux source tree
>or should I keep it separately? Can someone please tell me how to configure
>it?
>
>Juergen
Yes, download the 4.x version(s). It's best not to compile it into
the kernel but as modules. Easier to deal with when fixes
come out.
Then be sure to join the ftape (linux-tape) mailing list.
A lot of talk goes on about the Ditto Max there.
You'll find the info you need at the site and in archive's
documentation. And the ftape-doc package.
--
>>ANIME SENSHI<<
Marc D. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.agate.net/~tvdog/internet.html -- DOS Internet
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Platform/8269/ -- Windows 3.x Makeover
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From: Dirko van Schalkwyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: glib-1.1.15 and gtk+-1.1.15 with RedHat 5.2
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:58:09 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
James H Timberlake III wrote:
> i've been trying to get both glib and gtk installed to no avail. i've
> been installing glib first under root using ./configure, make, and then
> make install. everything goes ok. then when i try ./configure for gtk,
> it can't find glib. i've read the INSTALL file and tried to make sure
> the paths are ok, but i'm not sure what i'm doing. is there something i
> don't have set? maybe a default PATH or something? i'd appreciate any
> help with this, i can't get gtkICQ installed and it's driving me nuts.
At y'er prompt type :
*
bash
cd {insert the path you are installing gtk from}
export GLIB_CONFIG=/usr/local/bin/glib-config ( or it might be
/usr/local/bin , I forget)
./configure
*
I hope it works and excuse my lack of English language.
Dirko
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: one thing that sux about Linux....
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 03:17:08 GMT
In our last episode (Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:58:49 -0500),
the artist formerly known as Southam said:
>Good reply. A few points to ponder, though...
>
>Granted, applications may be very similar between Windows and Linux, but
>unless they are exact, some user who doesn't have the inclination or savvy
>to try to figure out what's going on will lose on the deal. " Where's the C:
>drive???" would ring in my ears constantly.
I'm not too sure about that -- a lot of people don't know what the C drive is,
much less something highly technical like a directory. You can completely
cripple a computer for a lot of users by simply changing the default load/save
directory for their favourite application.
My point, really, is that for a typical computer-illiterate computer user to
migrate from one platform to another doesn't require a whole lot of training,
since they use very little of the computer's functionality. For most users,
95% of even Windows' capabilities go unused. Programs like M$ Word have the
capability to almost do real desktop publishng (it's hardly a replacement for
TeX or *roff, but you could almost do desktop publishing with Word if you had
to), but most people don't get beyond bold, italics, underline, typeface,
point size, load, save and print. How hard would it really be to teach
someone all of that for WordPerfect, Applix or Star under Linux? At any rate,
it can't be any worse than moving someone from Word 95 to Word 97.
>I agree that user sophistication is increasing, but it is increasing with
>Windows, not with a real OS.
Actually, what I am suggesting is that the median level of user sophistication
is much lower than it once was. In the 80s, there was a much better chance
that a random computer user knew something about what they were doing than in
the 90s, since a computer wasn't an everyday tool back then. Nowadays, a lot
of people use computers who don't really understand how the machine really
works, not even Windows. Some know enough terminology to incorrectly identify
the computer as the `hard drive' or `CPU' and incorrectly know that their
computer has `4.3 GB of RAM', but few people understand concepts like file
systems and disk partitions, or even that a hard disk and a floppy disk are
the same sort of thing.
This is, of course, not because people are stupid, but rather because people
are required to use complicated systems that they haven't received any real
instruction in.
>So, Joe CEO gets a new PC Card for his birthday, plugs it in to his Linux
>laptop and blows up the kernel. Just before the big business trip to
>Jakarta. Great. Most people who get a machine at work consider it thier
>personal property - executive types especially. They will not listen to
>"Don't add new stuff to your laptop without speaking to me first". Total
>meltdown doesn't happen with Windows (most of the time). Besides, why should
>anybody have to be a computer guru just to add a new bit of hardware to
>Linux?
Most of the management-types I know don't add their own hardware to their
machines, especially their business machines. Most of the people I know have
never opened up their desktop boxes (much less a laptop!) and would never
dream of adding new hardware themselves. I'd suggest that the number of
people who are capable of installing hardware and making it work under windows
but who can't do the same under Linux are relatively few.
In fact, installing hardware under Windows seems on balance to be more
difficult. Every time I visit my parents, I end up helping my dad try to fix
his latest Windows hardware mess, where installing a new hardware device not
only doesn't work, but it makes other stuff that used to work stop working.
>( CEO: Re-complie the OS? What the hell are you talking about? Me:
><<Whimper...>>)
...Oh, but just give me a boot disk and I'll partition my drive and install
Windows myself. Just give my my IP address so I can set up my networking.
Not likely. Windows is just as much of a bitch to set up and configure. It's
`saving grace' is that for most people, it comes set up and configured from
the vendor. Of course, if you're the CEO of a large company, you probably
have an IT staff to do these things.
>To sum all of this up, I truly believe that in order to have any chance of
>hurting M$, anyone associated with Open Software will have to stop being
>full of themselves ( Can't complie the kernel? You are a mere mortal! Stand
>aside and let SUuuper Geek at the keyboard!!!) and start to speak in
>language that other people, the unwashed masses, understand.
Though I wouldn't feel bad if M$ went belly up, I don't think that the goal of
the OSS movement is really to usurp Microsoft market share or to do harm to
the beast from Redmond. It's just about creating quality software that anyone
who finds it useful can use and modify. I don't see people worrying about
market share or whether Linux will become the standard desktop OS. I also
don't really see that kind of attitude among Linux users. Most are very
helpful. And compared to most comp.* groups, this is by far one of the
friendliest and most helpful that I've seen. Very little
your-post-is-off-topic and RTFM flamage as compared to other comp groups.
>At least M$ has
>stated that thier corporate goal is (or used to be) "Information at your
>fingertips", and so far have come along way towards that goal.
I thought it was `A PC on every desktop and Windows on every PC.'
Or was it `You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.' ?
--
William
It is pitch black. You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: bootp error
Date: 17 Feb 1999 09:43:32 GMT
Yehia Mohsen Ibrahim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i've been setting up an operating system called SPIN and i've been
> having problems in booting it through bootp.. i wonder if anyone can
> help....
> when typing "bootpd -d4" to get debug information from a static bootpd
> session 1 get:
> bootpd: info(6): bootptab mtime: Tue Feb 16 21:56:37 1999
> bootpd: info(6): reading "/etc/bootptab"
> bootpd: info(6): read 3 entries (1 hosts) from "/etc/bootptab"
> bootpd: error(3): bind: Address already in use
check your /etc/inetd.conf
But I think bootpd should be invoked by inetd.
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