Linux-Misc Digest #87, Volume #19 Thu, 18 Feb 99 20:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: More bad news for NT (Craig Kelley)
Re: Sound help w/ ESS Technologies PnP sound card (Hans Wolters)
Re: emacs at X (Michael Powe)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (BobO)
Re: Help with S3 Trio 3D aka 86C365 ("David Z. Maze")
Unable to delete nasty file (Alex Sanderson)
Re: Too many levels of symbolic links - how to correct a botched symlink? ("David Z.
Maze")
Re: miscellanous problem with my hd w/linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How does X choose fonts? ("David Z. Maze")
Re: Mail client for Linux (Shaun Lipscombe)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) ("Robert S. Sciuk")
Re: Help with X related concepts. (Christopher Browne)
Re: Novice Help: Modem Gone Undetected? (M. Buchenrieder)
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Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 18 Feb 1999 16:58:06 -0700
"Simon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Why could anyone in a Linux/Unix newsgroup even contemplate running a SQL
> server on an NT box !
I do.
Tell Sybase to release 11.5 (or better) for Linux and I will switch.
We want to take *advantage* of our SMP machine, not just use one of the
processors.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans Wolters)
Crossposted-To: alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Sound help w/ ESS Technologies PnP sound card
Date: 18 Feb 1999 22:29:42 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Arog wrote:
:I have Red Hat 5.2 and an ESS 1869. I got the same error. I went to
:http://rufus.w3.org/linux/RPM/rawhide/1.0/i386/RedHat/RPMS/modutils-2.1.121-
:3.i386.html and downloaded the RPM file. I installed it, rebooted (sorry,
:still used to the MS world) and then reran sndconfig and everything was
:fine.
:
:I can't promise anything as I am a newbie myself, but it worked for me.
:
:Arog
Hi,
Ken McCord (thanks again Ken) posted your solution just last week. You can
also find the online version of the howto at my site (see signature).
Regards Hans
--
Java Search Engine Front End
http://home.gelrevision.nl/~h.wolter/
Linux Links/CMI8330 Soundpro HOWTO
http://home.gelrevision.nl/~h.wolter/linux.htm
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: emacs at X
Date: 18 Feb 1999 13:38:22 -0800
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>>>>> "Sarantos" == Sarantos Kapidakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Sarantos> I cannot use my emacs under X - anymore: emacs aborts
Sarantos> with a message: Wrong type argument: arrayp, nil
Sarantos> I look at the files changes on my computer recently, and
Sarantos> I cannot figure out why this happens. When i call
Sarantos> "emacs -nw", emacs runs without problem. Also, "emacs
Sarantos> -q" does not change the situation. I reinstalled emacs
Sarantos> (emacs-20.3-3 rpm - I have redhat 5.2), I tried with
Sarantos> different kernel versions (2.0.36 and 2.2.1), different
Sarantos> window managers (kde1.1 and fvwm2), but did not help. I
Sarantos> run XFree86*-3.3.3.1-1.
This sounds like you've got a bad lisp file loading up somewhere. If
it's not your .emacs, (`-q'), try `--no-site-file' as well. You may
also want to try using `--debug-init' to see what you get.
If the problem is coming from something that is not part of the
standard emacs distribution, then simply reinstalling the rpm will not
affect it, since the bad file will not be overwritten. You may need
to uninstall the rpm and then physically remove all the lisp
directories and then reinstall the rpm.
mp
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Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
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"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BobO)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 18 Feb 1999 23:57:51 GMT
On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:53:38, Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
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|>>>>> "Bob" == BobO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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| Bob> Its a survival of the fittest world. If you drive a
| Bob> subcompact then . . . .what can I say?
|
|In the Darwinian sense (not what you meant, I guess) "survival of the
|fittest" referred to adaptability. Those creatures survived best
|which were best able to adapt to their surroundings. That does not
|seem to describe drivers of SUVs.
Sure it does, the other poster claimed SUV drivers were causing the
mortality rates to rise for smaller vehicles even while the overall
mortality rate was declining. Personally, I can't think of a single
better measure of the Darwinian principle at work.
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Help with S3 Trio 3D aka 86C365
Date: 18 Feb 1999 19:39:18 -0500
Edgar Manik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Edgar> I have tried to configure my Xserver for S3 365 but I always
Edgar> get VGA16 (16 colors 640x480) running since it seems like
Edgar> there's no support yet for the chip,
If you've found a free working accelerated X server, I'd certainly
like to know. :-) In the meantime, what I've done is:
-- Installed the 2.2.1 Linux kernel.
-- Set up a 1280x1024x16bpp frame buffer device as my main display.
(See the kernel documentation for details on how to do this.)
-- Run the XF86_FBDev X server from XFree86 3.3.3.1 on this device.
This gets me unaccelerated support. My alternative is a CLGD-5430 at
1280x1024x8bpp; to my uneducated eye, I get about the same video
performance, but on a 16bpp display, which is a *big* win with things
like GNOME.
Edgar> Please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted and mailed.
--
David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/
"Hey, Doug, do you mind if I push the Emergency Booth Self-Destruct Button?"
"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"
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From: Alex Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Unable to delete nasty file
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:00:30 +1100
I have a horrible file which has appeared after a bad file system
crash. The file has user 27851 and group 58345 and its permissions are
s--s-wSrw- . Its size is 9000 odd GB and I cannot chmod it or chown it
and I have tried creating users with the right number and groups with
the right number. It think I need to edit the inode but I don't know
how to do it.
thanks
Alex
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Too many levels of symbolic links - how to correct a botched symlink?
Date: 18 Feb 1999 19:40:11 -0500
Jeff Kowalczyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
JK> newbie question: but I was trying to revise the symbolic link
JK> "linux" to point to the new kernel source. LSShort, I botched it
JK> with ln, and now I have a linux->linux situation. Anytime I try to
JK> accesss or delete this link, I get:
JK> "/usr/src/linux: Too many levels of symbolic links"
You should be able to just 'rm' the link.
--
David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/
"Hey, Doug, do you mind if I push the Emergency Booth Self-Destruct Button?"
"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: miscellanous problem with my hd w/linux
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:27:12 GMT
On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:39:49 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I have three partitions set up on my 486/100 MHZ, using the Seagate ST-31276
>hard drive. First partition is bootable, setup for windows 95, and the other
>two primary partitions are the linux native, and swap, respectively. In
>addition, using kernel 2.0.36pre7, (redhat 5.2). Also have lilo setup and the
>partition is 620/64/63 (chs) When I start the computer, everything turns out
>fine. But, after downloading a few files, which wrote to the disk, I obtained
>stuff such as:
>
>hda: write_intr status=0x50 { Drive Ready SeekComplete } ide0: reset: success
>/* it does this multiple times, then I get... */ end_request: I/O error, dev
>03:02, sector 669503 (and the sector number changes of course)...
>
Western digital 1.2 gig HD Is saying...
I'm FAILING...I have BAD spots...UPGRADE ME TO A NEW 6.4 GIG OR
BETTER!!! QUICK, BEFORE I DISTROY EVERYTHING YOU WORKED HARD FOR!!!
WD brand HD's tend to do this under linux... I haven't noticed any
other brands failing like this. you might want to check ALL your
motherboard jumbers. Mine started this when an undocumented jumber
was not set to the default acording the manual and I didn't know it.
bought it that way. fixing the jumber prevented any further damage
but the damage was already done.
>Any ideas on how to fix or help?
>If so, reply and my thanks to you.
>John
>
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>http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How does X choose fonts?
Date: 18 Feb 1999 19:48:33 -0500
pajer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
pajer> I'm new at this, but I'm learning. Where does X go to figure
pajer> out what fonts to use for a particular purpose?
Whoa...you're asking a *really* generic question.
If the question is "where does the X server go to find fonts", the
answer is reasonably specific. The server maintains a font path,
initially specified in your XF86Config file and tweakable via xset.
When a font is requested, the server searches the path. The first
directory or font server that has a matching font wins.
(Less than entirely lucid paragraph mentioning both Netscape and xman
trimmed)
pajer> How does this work? What's the syntax? What're the options?
pajer> Is there documentation?
For applications, some (e.g. xman) use X resources to decide which
font to use. You can put lines that look something like
xman*MenuButton.font: -*-helvetica-bold-o-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
in your ~/.Xresources file. The change will take place the next time
that file is read, either when you log in or run 'xrdb -merge
$HOME/.Xresources'. You'll then need to restart xman. Programs that
can be configured this way generally have documentation on what
exactly can be configured in their manual pages.
Other programs (e.g. Netscape) let you change font settings through a
dialog box or other less arcane manner. In XEmacs, M-x edit-faces
will do the trick.
You can get a canonical list of available fonts with xlsfonts;
xfontsel will let you browse the fonts more visually. (Hint: if you
don't want to see non-European typefaces, set the last two fields to
'iso8859-1'.)
--
David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/
"Hey, Doug, do you mind if I push the Emergency Booth Self-Destruct Button?"
"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"
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From: Shaun Lipscombe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Mail client for Linux
Date: 18 Feb 1999 09:41:15 +0000
Netscape under linux is about as useless as the windows version. It
eats RAM, and is slow and buggy. It's 'ok' though, and at least its
free, but there are 'far' better mail clients for linux: mutt, pine
etc. Infact if he is after an HTML composer, web browser and
mail/news client one application springs to mind: GNU Emacs.
--
( )
~oo~
.. Gnu!
/ =\ \=
- - - =-=-The choice of the Linux generation-=-=
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Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
From: "Robert S. Sciuk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:56:34 -0500
On 18 Feb 1999, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Go away, John, your arguments just do not make sense, and I still don't
> see why you _continue_ to just be an anti-GPL bigot in public.
>
> Bigotry is ugly, John.
>
> Let's just kill this thread again.
>
> Linus
Linus,
With all due respect to yourself, the Linux zealots, GNU lovers the world
over and anyone else who might be offended by what I'm about to say, the
GPL _is_ pretty restrictive to people who might actually be trying to make
a living at software development. The GPL is a good thing for hobbyist
software, but ultimately being GPL'led might just be the thing which
prevents Linux from going mainstream in a corporate world.
Stallman's vision is slightly myopic with respect to the forces which
drive innovation. I respect his/your/anyone's right to give away whatever
they like, but the GPL is akin to the Bolshevik forced collectivization at
the turn of the century ... it takes away others rights to derive
proprietary products. That is something to which I cannot subscribe.
The FreeBSD license is simply that -- Free! Here it is, use it, enjoy it,
share it -- have fun, make money, life is good.
John Dyson believes fervently in that approach, and I, for one, agree with
him. He's simply correct. This does not mean that there is no place in
the world for GPL'led software. I fear that it will relegate that
software forever to the hobbyist realm -- and we all know that Linux is
better than that.
If you really want to tick off Bill Gates, I think that the `free'
software license is the way to do it -- and after all, isn't what this is
really all about?? ;-}
I choose to use FreeBSD because it is technically superior, and by using
it, I give up nothing in terms of my rights to my own work. This takes
nothing away from Linux -- I just can't use it.
Cheers,
Rob.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Help with X related concepts.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:58:33 GMT
On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:21:04 -0600, Greg Thorne
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <vcJy2.15444$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> >> {Snip}
>> >> WindowMaker: This is pretty popular. It's a nice-looking WM that can be
>> >> customized a fair bit, but is still pretty damn lean. I believe it's now
>> >> the official WM of the GNUStep project, so it looks alot like the original
>> >> NeXTStep. Fun things like a docking bar and dockable applets.
>>
>> >The docking bar and dockable applets are useable in E also, are they not?
>> >Right now, I still think that Window Maker is my best choice.
>>
>> WindowMaker is fairly widely liked.
>That's what I've pretty much decided on. I spent some time on the
>Internet yesterday, and decided on that one. The JavaScript WindowMaker
>demo at http://www.boxybutgood.com/~rive/WindowMaker/ helped my decision
>a lot. I think I'll use 'wterm' as my term program. It's on this page:
>http://wm.current.nu/files.html#wterm
>
>> >> {Snip}
>> >> <out with the asbestos suit>
>> >> KWM: The default WM of the KDE desktop. The KDE guys can say what they
>> >> like, but KDE and KWM are pretty much glued to each other. Trying to run
>> >> some of the core KDE stuff (like the panel and file manager) with a
>> >> different WM isn't very nice. And I think you still need some of the KDE
>> >> libs to run it, and probably some of the KDE tools to configure it. So
>> >> don't plan on running KWM without the rest of KDE. KDE can be a bit of a
>> >> memory and CPU hog. But it depends.
>>
>> >Hehehe. Yah, I've noticed that there are quite a few KDE zealots out
>> >there. I don't know about that one. The idea of the apps being all
>> >glued together and built in isn't that appealing to me.
>>
>> Nothing stops you from running applications that "merely" expect to have
>> X out there. You can run KDE, GNOME, and non-[either] apps all at the
>> same time. Some KDE zealots seem unusually zealous to the point that it
>> *appears* they want to exclude non-KDE apps from one's system, which is
>> rather unfortunate.
>I can't imagine that. Who would want all those apps glued into their WM?
>That's kinda like integrating the browser with the OS. What a stupid
>idea. I hope that the majority of KDE zealots aren't like that.
*Appearances,* little grasshopper :-). Appearances.
The benefit to "gluing them together" is that there are are a lot of
facilities that either never get implemented or that keep getting
recreated from scratch.
Every program needs some way of getting at persistent configuration
information.
If a program uses "documents" of some sort (spreadsheets, letters,
reports, ...), then it needs to have some code to parse files for that
purpose.
It's nice if programs can "talk to one another," to pass data back and
forth, in some structured manner.
Microsoft has shown us some of the worst possible implementations of
these sorts of things, which is not to say that configuration, document
structuring, and inter-object communications are *mandated* to be done
badly.
On the other hand, X doesn't provide these things, and people have kept
writing and rewriting libraries for these purposes over the years.
KDE and GNOME both seek to supply a reasonably bountiful set of
libraries that "their applications" can expect to be able to use so as
to avoid the need to repetitively recreate wheels.
>> >> > 2) Is there a way to switch WM's while you're in your X session?
>> >> Yes, many WM's suport this. It does has to be supported by the WM though.
>>
>> >Okay, so each window manager you want to switch to has to support it?
>>
>> Your configuration has to support it. That may (or may not) involve WM
>> configuration.
>>
>> If the WM is the last thing run when getting X going, then that means
>> that when the WM terminates, if it doesn't start up something else, then
>> your X session will end.
>>
>> If, on the other hand, some other program "owns" the X session, then
>> life is (somewhat) simpler.
>>
>> It is typical for WMs to have, in their menus, an option to exit. You
>> can normally add additional options such that when you exit, you can
>> start up alternative WMs. Red Hat and Debian tend to set up WMs with
>> this as an option.
>
>Okay, that makes sense.
Apparently well enough; I was concerned that that might be badly
confusing...
>> >> > 3) What exactly is GNOME? I know it's not really a separate WM,
>> >> GNOME is a desktop environment. It was originally started in reaction to
>> >> the licence for the QT widget set used by KDE. It has since started
>> >> moving off in a slightly different direction to KDE. It looks like GNOME
>> >> might end up being more of a 'hacker' or 'power user' desktop, or at least
>> >> to begin with.
>>
>> That doesn't answer the question.
>>
>> GNOME and KDE are desktop environments, which represent a set of
>> libraries and applications intended to provide some common
>> functionality, including:
>> - GUI libraries so that apps can have common "look and feel"
>> - Configuration libraries so apps can use common ways of looking up
>> configuration data
>> - Common libraries to link out to get at help (e.g. - HTML/Manual
>> pages)
>> - Common Drag'n'Drop methods
>> - Common compound document models (in progress)
>Okay, that's all clearer now. So, in the future, apps developed can
>either be programmed for X in general, or for GNOME?
You can write programs two ways:
a) Write to X, with some random GUI library, and have to recreate all
the "common" stuff from scratch, or
b) Write using one of the "Environments," and have a reasonably rich
set of libraries to do some of the work for you.
>> {Snip}
>> >> GTK is a widget set, and dictates how the 'widgets' look. i.e buttons,
>> >> menus, lists, etc... The current development version of GTK has support
>> >> for themes, also done by Rasterman. This is totally seperate to the WM.
>> >Yah, I was talking about the themes on http://gtk.themes.org . Are they
>> >WM-independent as long as you're running GNOME, or what? I know most (if
>> >not all) WM's are themeable by themselves, but how does GTK themes apply
>> >to the WM?
>>
>> GNOME themes can influence all the applications that are
>> GTK/GNOME-aware.
>>
>> If the WM is aware of this stuff, then the GNOME themes can affect the
>> WM. If not, then not.
>Okay, finally, that makes sense. So is it possible to run both a GTK and
>a WM theme at the same time? I guess the WM theme would only apply to
>apps that are not GTK-aware.
The "theme" stuff associated with window managers have to do (surprise)
with window *management.* You may define a background, the
shape/coloration/behaviour of the WM's menus, and the way that it jumps
from window to window. Often, the WM controls what the borders of
windows look like, so it would control that.
The other day, I upgraded a box to use the latest GNOME, along with the
latest "GTK-Engine" which lets you do "GTK-themes." If you fiddle with
the GTK themes, this influences the looks of any of the applications
written using the GTK libraries. (While some of the themes are pretty
*wild,* I'm not thrilled with their actual attractiveness. Themes are
mostly useless chrome...)
If you used a WM based on GTK, then presumably the GTK Themes could
inherit on to the borders of all windows. And GTK Themes would
influence the contents of windows for any GTK-based apps.
The distinction is fairly subtle; I've seen it in action, so I think I
comprehend what's going on. Whether I can explain it successfully or
not...
>> {Snip}
>> >> The 'Eterm' program (an X terminal modelled after enlightenments'
>> >> configurability) does have the ability to be transparent.
>> >Is this the only terminal that allows this? I was looking at the
>> >AfterStep theme called "Translucency" on this page:
>> >http://as.themes.org/themes.shtml
>>
>> Several terminal programs do this *sort* of thing; aterm (written for
>> Afterstep) may do similar.
>>
>> This sort of "chrome" seems to me to be a waste of time/memory, but to
>> each their own...
>Yah, I figure that since I spend so much time at a computer, it may as
>well look pretty.
>
>One other thing: I'm one to jump in head first. When I start using
>WindowMaker, I also want to develop some apps. Is there a definitive
>guide on developing apps for X (web page, book, etc)? Will this type of
>programming apply to "dock apps," as well? I've heard that a lot of
>people use TCL/TK, what's this like?
See the URL below for general info...
"Dock" apps are going to be a pretty special class, as they need to
have intimate involvement with the "Dock" on which they'll be based.
I've never concerned myself with this, so I can't elaborate further.
TCL/Tk is a reasonable framework for building apps; Sun hired the
author away for a while, and effectively tried to "bury" the
technology, as it could otherwise have challenged Java for public
interest. I *thought* that what they wanted to do was to take Tk, and
use it to replace AWT, which would have been a fairly good idea. It
appears that they were merely trying to keep the technology down.
I would describe TCL/Tk as "generally underrated." The EXMH mail system
is written using TCL/Tk, and is quite a sophisticated system. TCL, the
Tool Command Language, gets accused of slowness, which may be unfair, as
it has gotten tuned since the days when it *was* rather slow. Tk, the
graphics library side of it, is a fairly easy-to-understand and program
library for which bindings have been created for a whole lot of
languages. You can use TCL with just about anything other than COBOL
and FORTRAN, and I could be wrong about FORTRAN...
--
"I once went to a shrink. He told me to speak freely. I did. The damn
fool tried to charge me $90 an hour." -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Moore Jr)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/xfaq.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: Novice Help: Modem Gone Undetected?
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:10:43 GMT
"Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Please add your text below the quoted one.
[...]
>An internal modem that is not
>a Winmodem would be ISA. (Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I'd love to
>know who makes a real, hardware-based PCI modem.)
MultiTech . It's, however, the only company I do know that manufactures
real PCI modems.
[...]
>Robert Heller wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> David Klecha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> In a message on 17 Feb 1999 01:14:30 GMT, wrote :
>>
>>DK> Ho-kay.
>>DK> Yesterday I blanked my harddrive and installed Linux. I have a Compaq
>>DK> Presario with an AMD-k6 200mHz (233?).
[...]
All Presarios have a built-in Winmodem (56K-DF) .
Michael
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