Linux-Misc Digest #154, Volume #19 Tue, 23 Feb 99 18:13:17 EST
Contents:
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Ken Pizzini)
Re: Simple text processor (Matthias Warkus)
Re: New York Times magazine article (Michael Powe)
Re: Scary, no? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: WINE - Windows Emulator (David Cornelius)
Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux? (Reality is a point of view)
Re: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ???? (Paul)
Re: Zip Drive (Bruno Barberi Gnecco)
High Priests of the Bazaar/Why Open Source does not work... who? (Chris Smith)
Re: /var/log/messages question (Stephen Richard FREELAND)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Michael Powe)
Re: C code to import Excel? ("G. Pollack")
rpm's and slackware (Jason Rotunno)
Re: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ???? (Richard Jones)
Re: Mixing Wave Files From Multiple Sources in Linux? Possible? (Whammy)
Re: Does Redhat Support Win98 vfat32? (Ed Young)
Re: Basic Bash script question (William Wueppelmann)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Pizzini)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 23 Feb 1999 19:08:48 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 21 Feb 1999 15:18:09 -0600, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>How do you anticipate dealing with combinations of GPL'd and patented
>code as might be necessary for DVD video operation or perhaps some
>HSM file system hardware?
I'm not clear on what the problem envisioned here is.
A patenent is a limited monopoly granted on the used of an invention
in exchange for public disclosure of said invention. So there should
be no _copyright_ problem with propigating patented code source
under the GPL. Of course, one runs into the unpleasant state of
affairs that all _users_ of the code need to pay _patent_ royalties
to the patent holder, but the redistribution of copies of the
code should be compatabile with the GPL, shouldn't they?
IANAL. If my logic above is flawed, please let me know...
--Ken Pizzini
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Simple text processor
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:02:05 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:25:50 +0000...
..and Joe (theWordy) Philbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Matthias Warkus wrote:
>
>
> > LyX is eventually aiming at a front-end/back-end architecture; they'll
> > have the KDE front end, the XForms front end, perhaps a Gnome front
> > end; if you're lucky, someone will write a console front end (you?).
>
> If I ever get far enough along to do something like that... I'd like it!
> but for now I'm just a relitive newbie who can't find enough stuff that
> works the way I think to reach that <mythical?> critical mass of
> funtionality to be able to do that...
Get your self O'Reilly books. It's the best way.
[schnibble]
> NO CAN DO... it'll have to be vim not Emacs.
[schnibble]
> So please tell me I can use vim to do LaTeX... <g>
Wait a minute...
It's completely doable.
1. Put something along these lines into your .vimrc:
let mysyntaxfile="~/.mysyntax.vim"
syntax on
It's important to do the let command before syntax on. When you
enable syntax highlighting, mysyntaxfile is read if set. Syntax
highlighting for LaTeX should now be enabled.
2. Put something along these lines into your mysyntaxfile (in my case,
.mysyntax.vim):
augroup syntax
au BufNewFile,BufReadPost *.tex set makeprg=latex #<.tex
augroup END
This will set an autocommand to initialise makeprg to a command
line that calls latex whenever you load or create a .tex file.
Then, formatting should be possible with ":make".
3. Use "gqap" to refill paragraphs. Be sure to user proper quotes. Set
textwidth to your fill width. Don't use long lines - use hard
newlines, LaTeX pretty much ignores them and breaks paragraphs at
blank lines only.
hope this helps
mawa
--
Tcl ist nicht als vollst�ndige Skript- oder Entwicklungssprache
entworfen worden (obwohl [dies] Leute nicht davon abgehalten hat,
50.000-Zeilen-Skripte zur Steuerung von Bohrinseln zu programmieren).
-- Sriram Srinivasan, _Fortgeschrittene_Perl-Programmierung_
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New York Times magazine article
Date: 23 Feb 1999 11:52:31 -0800
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>>>>> "Jason" == Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Jason> On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, David Goldstein wrote:
>> Of course, the user base for Linux is much smaller; however, it
>> is steadily growing and by the end of this year could easily be
>> between 12 and 15 million users. I think that from a business
>> standpoint, though, 7 million is hard to overlook.
Jason> The figure of 7 million came from Red Hat early last year
Jason> and based upon the same growth that had produced 7 million
Jason> it could eaily be the case that there are now upwards of 15
Jason> million Linux users out there. In fact it could well be
Jason> more as the doubling of the numbers of Linux users occured
Jason> when the press were universally writing dismissive artciles
Jason> about Linux and in the past year that has changed
Jason> dramatically.
The figure of `7 million users' was given out by Corel when they
announced WordPerfect for linux last May, but they did not indicate
their source for the number.
mp
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Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
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-- Anthony Trollope
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Scary, no?
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:47:30 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:26:28 -0500...
..and Robert H. Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Face it folks for the average Joe Blow out there who is not going to
> spend a lot of time tweaking this and that and just wants a system up
> and running so he can do some word processing and answer some email.
> Linux is not quite there yet.
<sarcasm> *WHAT?* I've *never* heard anyone say this before! </sarcasm>
[schnibble]
> 1) Linux needs a drag and drop GUI for the average Windows user to
> convert to Linux. I've played around with several and the are getting
> there but i think 'prime time' Linux GUI is at 18 to 24 months out.
Hope you tried Gnome and KDE?
> 2) Support - Need I say more? These newsgroups are a wealth of
> information. But you've got to search it out.
Hope you know about commercial support?
> 3) Documentation - Man pages are fine but some organized PDF files or
> searchable HTML would really do the trick and cut down on wasted
> time.
Hope you know about kdehelp and gnome-help-browser, dwww and susehilf?
> 4) Installation and configuration.
[blah blah]
Nothing of this is in any way new to us. With any OS, installation is
easy for some, hard for others and a nightmare for the rest.
> 5) Which brings me to my last point. It is very good that the technical
> folks like most who read these news groups are able to get things
> with a little investment in time and possibly a little cash. But to
> capture the marketshare and mentality you gotta capture the hearts
> and minds of the folks who are a little less technically inclined.
We don't need to capture market share and mentality. Nobody makes us
do so. We simply get that market share and mentality. We don't need to
do anything for it.
mawa
--
Yes. It is an art. Look at the concept of the B+ tree. Isn't it
beautiful? You've got to admire it. But hey -- if you indeed manage to
admire it, you're risking to become a hacker. It can be the first
step. Admire B+ trees only if you know what you are doing. -- mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Cornelius)
Subject: Re: WINE - Windows Emulator
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Cornelius)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:57:43 GMT
Actually, please either respond here or email me too. I'm sure there
are others equally interested.
TIA.
Nando Augusto 95r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote the following on Tue, 23
Feb 1999 11:31:02 -0300:
>How the WINE project is going on?
>
>PS: Please answer me by e-mail. This NG have a lot of messages.
David Cornelius [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://206.251.85.126
Programmer Analyst for Loy Clark Pipeline, Beaverton, Oregon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Reality is a point of view)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux?
Date: 23 Feb 1999 20:13:52 GMT
[note: crosspost added c.l.s, Cc'd tmurphy for kicks]
+---- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:18:54 -0600):
| Well..in order for IBM to port VisualAge Java to Linux they would have
| to port VisualAge Smalltalk to Linux because VA-Java is just a
| VA-Smalltalk application. I would be heavily in favor of them porting
| VA-Smalltalk to Linux because VA-Smalltalk is a much better development
| tool than VA-Java anyway.
|
| They could probably do it fairly easily because they already have
| VA-Smalltalk running on Windows, OS/2, AIX, Solaris, HP/UX, MVS, etc...
+----
Pressure from that other proprietary Smalltalk, ObjectShare's
VW Smalltalk, will probably speed the port of VA Smalltalk.
For those that aren't aware, VW Smalltalk for Linux has been
announced, or possibly just preannounced. A lot of MIS style
Smalltalkers like it. If I'm not mistaken ObjectShare intends
to make a splash at a certain upcoming conference. If they do
keep an eye out of 'deployment licensing' (see their
preannoucement, posted to USENET, for previous plans to seek
deployment fees), it hasn't been determined if they will retain
that sort of silliness (but rumblings seem to indicate they
will drop them, though encouragement couldn't hurt).
--
Gary Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Privacy on the net is still illegal.
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:03:55 +0100
From: Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ????
Andreas Mohr wrote:
>
> Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Andreas Mohr wrote:
> >>
> >> Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > You can forget about the USB, as far as I know the only thing that
> >> > supports it at this time is Windoz 98. Even my NT 4 (service pack 4) box
> >> > doesn't support it.
>
> >> Please never ever state something you don't know about !
> >> I always hate it when people state something on the newsgroups that
> obviously
> >> is blatantly wrong.
>
> > I wouldn't agree with you more if it wasn't for the fact that I said "AS
> > FAR AS I KNOW", I hate people who flunked Evelyn Wood's Speed Reading
> > course and then jump in with dumb remarks based on their inability to
> > fully comprehend a sentence. If you really know so much about Linux and
> > USB then how about sharing your "Holier than thou" info with everyone
> > and tell us EXACTLY WHERE this so called "SUPPORTED" software can be
> > found.
> Hmm, maybe I really should have paid more attention to "AFAIK" in my reply...
> That was a bit too bold.
> Sorry !
>
> Here it is:
> http://wwwhome.cs.utwente.nl/~ia_ric/uusbd-www/uusbd-faq.html
> http://www.suse.de/support/sdb/usb.html (german)
> http://peloncho.fis.ucm.es/~inaky (main site)
>
> Have fun using it ! :-)
>
> --
> Andreas Mohr
Danke vielmal Andreas,
My letter was perhaps a bit bold too, sorry. The original poster had
asked about Red Hat 5.2 and I saw nothing with this version that
suggested it supported USB.
The links you included also pretty much confirmed what I said, "You can
forget about the USB (for the moment)" Like a lot of other wish list
items for Linux it still seems to be in the Alpha stage and wont be
ready for prime time anytime soon. But we'll be ready when it is.
Paul
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From: Bruno Barberi Gnecco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Zip Drive
Date: 23 Feb 1999 13:02:00 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maurizio Napoli wrote:
> Where can i get a driver to be able to read, format, write on IOMEGA Zip
> drives?
You don't have to, you just need to recompile the kernel. Read the
HOWTOS: Zip-Drive HOWTO and those it talks about.
--
Did you *REALLY* check that interface between the chair and the keyboard?
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[I'm running Linux] -=-=- Electric Engineering at Politechnic School, USP
Check my homepage at http://graphx.home.ml.org * C, 3D graphics, and more
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From: Chris Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: High Priests of the Bazaar/Why Open Source does not work... who?
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:55:49 -0600
I'm currently working on a rhetorical analysis of the open source
movement, and I need to cite a web page... but there appears to be no
contact information on the page. The URL is
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Ridge/6617/ but there's no way to
discover the author. :-(
If anyone knows who is the author of this page, or is the author of this
page, can you contact me so I can get the citation correct? I can cite
it as anonymous if you wish, but I thought I'd ask first.
---
Chris Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Stephen Richard FREELAND <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: /var/log/messages question
Date: 23 Feb 1999 19:18:50 GMT
Gordon Vrololjak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Feb 23 04:02:02 h241a-2 PAM_pwdb[3137]: (su) session opened for user
: nobody by (uid=99)
: Feb 23 04:03:14 h241a-2 PAM_pwdb[3137]: (su) session closed for user
: nobody
: Does anyone know why a su session would be opened for user nobody at 4am?
: Is there some process that requires it? I am running redhat 5.2 with the
: latest kernel on a Pentium II.
Hmmm... sounds like a cron job, maybe updatedb. Do a crontab -l as
root to see what's going then.
Ciao... . SNF .
--
Steve 'Nephtes' Freeland | Okay, so maybe I'm a tiny itty little
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | bit of a minimalist.
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 23 Feb 1999 12:06:30 -0800
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>>>>> "Darin" == Darin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Darin> Thomas Joynt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> 1) Games generally use bleeding-edge technology that is by it's
>> very nature unstable and error prone. They're often trying to
>> do something "new and improved", which means *unproved*.
Darin> There's also a different attitude to games programmers.
Darin> Back when I used Amiga a lot, there were often games that
Darin> kicked out the OS, require rebooting of the game, broke
Darin> when run on later models of the machine, refused to use or
Darin> be installed on a hard disk (no matter how good the game,
Darin> having to shutdown the system and reboot from floppy is
Darin> going to make you hate it), etc. And inevitably, the
Darin> developers would defend this practice as being perfectly
Darin> appropriate. They'd say things like "but we have to get
Darin> the fastest speed possible, otherwise you wouldn't play the
Darin> game", and ironically, they'd be saying that about games
Darin> that didn't look all that cpu intensive.
Guess what ... things haven't changed at all. Games are still a major
cause of panicked phone calls by users to tech support. "I played
this game and now my video's all messed up." "I played this game and
now I have no sound." "I was playing this game and it locked up so I
had to reboot and now I have this blue screen that says `A Fatal
Exception has occurred'."
Games programming has obviously sucked up the lion's share of bad
programmers.
mp
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Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: "G. Pollack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: C code to import Excel?
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:26:38 -0500
tg wrote:
>
> Excel
> > spreadsheets?
>
> Does Excel run under Linux?
> Ask any programming NG or M$-windoze-NG
StarOffice can read excel files.
--
Gerald Pollack
Dept. of Biology, McGill University
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Rotunno)
Subject: rpm's and slackware
Date: 23 Feb 1999 20:39:42 GMT
are rpm's specifically for redhat or can they be used in slackware as
well? i was trying to install kde, but it wouldn't compile properly so
i'm wondering if i can try to install it using rpm. also, i'm downloading
enlightenment and one of the libraries needed is offered only as rpm or
for debian, but no source code so i'm wondering if i can use the rpm...or
the debian version if it'll work under slackware.
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From: Richard Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ????
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:04:34 +0000
Sniper <root> wrote:
: Ok, heres the deal, got a Toshiba 310 CDT, currently running Windows
: 98, office 97, agent, Outlook 98 etc etc.
Nice laptop. I've just installed Linux on
exactly such a beast, so if you have problems
(particularly with partitioning the disk
with FIPS) then email me.
: I'm seriously thinking about going over to Linux, but, every document
: I produce, must be portable over to office.
: 1. Is red had 5.2 a good choice for a Toshoba laptop, or will I have
: problems with drivers, Infra red USB etc.
Everything seems to be supported. You need
XFree-3.3.3 (or higher) to support the graphics
card, and I haven't quite worked out what
sound driver to use, but I'm sure I'll get
that working soon too. There's IrDA support
in the latest kernels, but having no IrDA
peripherals kind of prevents me from testing
it out. There's also USB support around, but
I didn't need it for the Toshiba.
: 2. What can I use application wise that's not going to involve a huge
: leap from Office ? and provide backwards compatibility with Word and
: Excel 97 ?
I would use StarOffice 5, which you can download
for free, or get on CD. It's basically a
MS Office clone dialog for dialog.
Rich.
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From: Whammy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.dev.sound
Subject: Re: Mixing Wave Files From Multiple Sources in Linux? Possible?
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:48:00 GMT
I may be behind in my facts on this, but linux has a way to go in the
sound dept. before it approaches windows. Linux is not a great
multimedia machine just yet. There are people working to change this,
but I'm not sure how far along they are. There are some basic multimedia
programs available under X to play CD's and system announcements, but
they are very basic in nature. But like I said, I may be out of date on
this since I still prefer the console to X and don't use X much.
Can someone bring me up to date?
Jeff McCune wrote:
>
> I recently installed RedHat 5.2 on my PC, and have made the
> transition from Windows98. I own a Sound Blaster Live! and it performed
> excellent under 98, having the ability to play up to 32 waves
> simultaneously from different sources (I.E. Could play an MP3, Quake2,
> and still hear an incoming ICQ message.). It was like having 32 sound
> cards. However, since I have switched over to Linux, I've had to pull
> the Live! out of my machine and install my older ISA SB AWE 32. With
> the Open Sound System Drivers under Linux I can only play one wave file
> at a time, from one source. There is no mixing ability like my Live!
> under 98. I'd very much like to be able to play an MP3 and hear ICQ
> messages in the background. Are there other driver alternatives that
> are OSS compatible, but have the ability to mix sources? Again, my
> hardware is a Creative Labs AWE 32 running on RedHat 5.2 Thanks in
> advance.
>
> Jeff McCune
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From: Ed Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Redhat Support Win98 vfat32?
Date: 23 Feb 1999 22:23:04 GMT
James Fitzgerald wrote:
>
> I recently installed Linux Redhat 5.0 (from the Sam's Teach Yourself Book)
> on
> a Win98 System with a vfat32 file system. From what I can determine
> (newbie) the Redhat 5.0 only supports the mounting of DOS vfat16 partitions?
> Is this right? I'm reluctant to experiment trying to mount any of my DOS
> partitions for fear of trashing one of them in ignorance. Does Redhat 5.2
> support DOS vfat32?
>
RH5.0 uses 2.0.32 as I remember, it does not support FAT32 out of the box. You
will have to update your kernel to 2.0.34 or above for vfat to support FAT32.
RH5.2 definitely supports FAT32. I use it all the time...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Subject: Re: Basic Bash script question
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:47:26 GMT
In our last episode (23 Feb 1999 00:08:11 -0800),
the artist formerly known as Michael Powe said:
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>>>>>> "Matt" == Matt Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Matt> I am working on a script that will take a value of the
> Matt> letters in a word and give me the total-ex. A=1 B=2 C=3 and
> Matt> so on to Z=26, if I type in the word CLOCK-I want it to give
> Matt> me the total value of each letter. I know it sounds like a
> Matt> weird script-but it is actually a part of a larger
> Matt> one-thanks in advance-Matt Moore
>
>I don't believe you can do this with bash, although it does have
>arrays. It would be trivial in C or most any language that allows you
>to put strings into arrays.
>
>You can, however, do it with gawk, using split(string,array,""). A
>null separator will cause split() to break off the individual letters
>in a word. You probably could run a small gawk script from within
>your bash script. Or, possibly do your whole script with gawk.
Sounds like a job for Perl:
#!/usr/bin/perl
$_ = join ("", @ARGV);
s/[^A-Za-z]//g;
tr/a-z/A-Z/;
@n = unpack ('C*', $_);
foreach (@n) { $t += ($_ - ord('A')+1) }
print "$t\n";
I'm assuming that if you give the program the argument "ABC" you want it print
out `6' rather than `1 2 3'. If you want the latter, get rid of the second
last line and replace the last line with `print "@n\n";'.
cheers.
--
William
It is pitch black. You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
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