Linux-Misc Digest #154, Volume #21 Sun, 25 Jul 99 06:13:08 EDT
Contents:
mandrake and annoying reappearing icons (ryan)
Re: Enhanced version of ftp (like FreeBSD has) (Lindoze 2000)
using Condor checkpointing on linux.... (Pratap Arangil)
Re: spin down HDD (Lindoze 2000)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Richard Kulisz)
Re: Enhanced version of ftp (like FreeBSD has) (Stefan Ehlen)
kernel-module version mismatch (Trond Trondsen)
embracing humanity's parasitic nature (Richard Kulisz)
Re: AMD processor upgrade (fred smith)
After glibc2 upgrade, make menuconfig won't work (Donn Miller)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Chris Lee)
Re: Undo disk format? (John Thompson)
Re: Dual-booting Win95 and Linux (electra41)
Re: weird ping ("R.K.Aa")
Re: spin down HDD ("Aart Scheepers")
Re: Problem while Upgrading Kernel (electra41)
Re: Netscape Doesn't work ("David Syratt")
Re: netscape (Lew Pitcher)
Re: cant get IP masquerade to work (Ian Richard Petersen)
Re: Where is NULL/__null? (John Winters)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? ("Casper")
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From: ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mandrake and annoying reappearing icons
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 03:02:00 -0400
Using mandrake 6.0, with either gnome/enlightenment or KDE, I can't get
rid of the pre-configured icons on the desktop. I really don't want any
of them on the desktop, especially the CD-ROM and floppy icons for
security reasons (although they are not user-mountable anyway). It
doesn't matter if I am root or guest or any other user, nor is it window
manager dependent, so I guess Mandrake snuck a script in somewhere to
load them up at X startup. I have looked through .xinitrc, .Xdefaults,
.Xclients-default, .kderc, .enlightenment/, .gnome/. I also ran a
strace of startx to look through all the files that were called. This
did not help. Does anybody know where this is?
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From: Lindoze 2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Enhanced version of ftp (like FreeBSD has)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 03:07:49 -0400
Stefan Ehlen wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Salman Ahmed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I noticed that FreeBSD (our version is 2.2.8 I think) has a
> > really nice version of the ftp command - it shows a progress
> > bar (like hash mark printing), along with a percentage estimate,
> > and a throughput rate indicator, and an ETA display showing
> > how much time is remaining to complete the transfer - all in
> > text mode.
> >
> > Is there a similar version/type of ftp for Linux ? I am running
> > RedHat 5.2 soon planning to run Debian 2.1.
> >
> > Thanks for any info.
>
> I suggest Midnight commander (mc). It's great, not only for ftp!
>
> CU
> Stefan
what?
how do you ftp with mc??
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From: Pratap Arangil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: using Condor checkpointing on linux....
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 03:46:55 -0400
Hello everybody,
I'd like to know if anybody has used Condor to checkpoint an MPI
application on linux 2.0.32. I'm trying to use the standalone
checkpointing feature offered by Condor but I'm unable to use
condor_compile to compile an MPI application. In other words I'm not able
to use condor_compile with mpicc. I've read most of the manual but I have
not come across any information regarding this feature. If anybody has
used Condor with MPI please let me know your experiences. Otherwise, if
anybody has any ideas or pointers on how to checkpoint an MPI application
I'm all ears.
Pratap
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From: Lindoze 2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: spin down HDD
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 03:13:15 -0400
Joe Price wrote:
>
> Lindoze 2000 wrote:
>
> > I use hdparm to spin down my HDD after 1/2 hr or so.
> > the problem is, it spins up again after 1/2 hr. then it spins back
> > down.
> > has anyone had that problem?
> > why wont it stay asleep?
> > the system seems idle. no hdd activity detected.
> >
> > --
> Check your 'cron ' jobs. Could be swap space 'kswapd' I think is the
> daemon.
>
> --
> Joe Price ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> Nevaeh Technologies, Inc. Development Team Leader
> Phone (810) 757-6867 Fax (810) 757-6493
>
>
I cant find cron. I found crond
the man. doesn't doc. much though.
how do you check?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: 25 Jul 1999 08:07:11 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Noah Roberts (jik-) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Robert Voppmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> What is FUD an example of then ???
>
>A last ditch effort to ruin the competition by making them look bad to
>prospective costomers.
IOW, an act of malicious destruction and sabotage.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ehlen)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Enhanced version of ftp (like FreeBSD has)
Date: 25 Jul 1999 08:06:48 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Lindoze 2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
> Stefan Ehlen wrote:
>>
>>
>> I suggest Midnight commander (mc). It's great, not only for ftp!
>>
>> CU
>> Stefan
>
> what?
> how do you ftp with mc??
On the command line, type something like 'cd ftp://ftp.debian.org'. Or, use
the 'Right' resp. 'Left' menu. The second last entry is 'FTP link'.
CU
Stefan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trond Trondsen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: kernel-module version mismatch
Date: 23 Jul 1999 23:25:41 GMT
Hi,
I compiled a module under 2.0.35 which I want to continue to
use under 2.2.7. (Unfortunatly they did something to the
C libraries in the meantime, so I am unable to recompile the
module under 2.2.7). So, I dropped my ol' module in as
/lib/modules/video/mv1drv.o.
I _knew_ this was going to cause problems, so I thought I would
be clever and recompile the kernel with CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y
-- which I did. Reboot. And I thought I had outsmarted the beast - but
not so, when I do the "modprobe mv1drv" I get on stderr:
/lib/modules/video/mv1drv.o: kernel-module version mismatch
/lib/modules/video/mv1drv.o was compiled for kernel version 2.0.35
while this kernel is version 2.2.7.
/lib/modules/video/mv1drv.o: insmod /lib/modules/video/mv1drv.o failed
/lib/modules/video/mv1drv.o: insmod mv1drv failed
Now, why is it whining about version mismatches,... After all, I DID set
CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y
What am I missing?
Thanks for any hints!
Sincerely,
trond
ps. I tried to use insmod -f but then there are a bunch of unresolved symbols.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: embracing humanity's parasitic nature
Date: 25 Jul 1999 08:25:20 GMT
In article <7n035h$q2a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Nah. We're part of this world. We're from this world, just
>as much as virusses, bacteria, cats, and peanuts. Our
>intelligence is part of nature. Obviously, we do things
>differently from cats, but that doesn't make us any less
>"natural". The cities we build are no less part of nature
>than the cities built by termites, or bees.
>
>The sooner we get rid of the human/nature divide we've carried
>with us since the Bible, the better.
That's the conventional thinking so predictably, it's utterly
wrong. You see, humanity is a disease. We are parasites (the
only difference between a parasite and a predator is that
sometimes the former let their host survive -- parasites got
a bad rap only because humans aren't afflicted by predators)
upon the entire biosphere. The Biblical mindset of domination
of the Earth is just as much a part of a successful parasite's
nature as intelligence and other traits found in humanity. It
isn't setting ourselves "apart" that's the problem, rather it
is our embracing our animal nature. What you would have us do
is not the solution, it's the problem!
You see, your entire argument boils down to
1) the Bible's mindset is that we're apart and above
other species
2) the Bible's mindset is fucked up
therefore,
3) we should not think of ourselves as apart from other
species
But the conclusion does not actually follow. The problem is
that we think of ourselves as *above* other species and that
is a consequence of embracing our animal (parasite) nature.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (fred smith)
Subject: Re: AMD processor upgrade
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 03:08:10 GMT
Youngert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I don't think it is a bad idea. If you goto http://www5.tomshardware.com/,
: you definitely will learn more things about the pros/cons of using AMD CPU.
: I myself have been putting together a new computer with the AMD K6-2 400MHz
: CPU with the FCI PA-2013 mobo. I have had no bad experience with this CPU
: and mobo. Linux works well with no hickups.
RH 5.2 runs nicely on my K6-2/350 (on a FIC VA503+ mobo) which has
64megs of PC100 RAM. The only thing that happened when I put in the
new motherboard is that it got a LOT faster!
If you happen to have Windoze on that same machine, however, be prepared
for a lot of headaches. It's not that Windoze doesn't like the K6
(though there is a windows update you should get if you have a K6 at
350 Mhz or higher), it's that windoze doesn't like having its idea of
what hardware is there proven wrong. Changing the motherboard out from
under it gives it a serious case of indigestion.
Fred
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: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Nevyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:7ncbgu$msi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: > pentium 166 to AMD K6 350.....good or bad idea with repect to
: > linux???....and recomendations...?
: >
: > --
: >
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I can do all things through Christ
who strengthens me.
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From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: After glibc2 upgrade, make menuconfig won't work
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 03:14:17 -0400
I have a Slackware 4.0 system, which is libc5 based. After I
upgraded my system to glibc2 from source (glibc-2.1.1 that is),
make menuconfig will no longer work. Here's the error messages
I'm getting:
/lib/libncurses.so: undefined reference to `_xstat'
/lib/libncurses.so: undefined reference to `_fxstat'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[1]: *** [lxdialog] Error 1
make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2
I still have by libc.so.5* files in /lib, so if it's looking for
libc.so.5, it's still there.
The funny thing is that I deleted all files /lib/ncurses.so*,
which were libc5 based, and compiled/installed a newer version
of ncurses in glibc2 format. Then, the existing libc5 apps on
my system linked against the libc5 version of ncurses were
broken. However, make menuconfig did work, but the menu panes
looked all screwy and illegible with garbage. Maybe I should
just rm /lib/ncurses.so, and let the link point to the new
installation of libncurses, but still keep the older ncurses
libs in /lib.
I'm thinking that `make menuconfig' has to use an older version
of ncurses in order to work, such as 3.4. My new version was
4.3, I think.
So, what to do? Should I just fire up X and use make xconfig
instead?
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Donn
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: 25 Jul 1999 09:20:16 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>"CL" == "Chris Lee" writes:
>
>CL> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>CL> >
>CL> >
>CL> >
>CL> >Chris Lee wrote:
>CL> >>
>CL> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>CL> >> >
>CL
>CL> Who says it's the best? Amiga users? Give me a break....
>CL>
>No I say it is and I've used many platforms. You know nothing about
>miami or its ease of use and connection, nor any of it power. So you
>are again speaking out of ignorance, and making a complete fool out
>of yourself..
Miami is better and more powerful than PPPD? Sure it is dude. Suuure it
is....NOT.
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Undo disk format?
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:11:51 -0600
Stewart Honsberger wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:03:38 -0600, John Thompson wrote:
>
> >> I just formated my root partition ... :(
> >>
> >> Is there some chance to undo a 'quick format'?
> >> (quick format option from slackware setup tool)
> >>
> >> Any help REALLY APPRECIATED !!
> >
> >You mean "other than restoring from your latest backups?"
> >
> >I don't think so. Otherwise, it wouldn't be much of a
> >"format" would it?
> Actually - I seem to recall a DOS utility "unformat" that would work as
> long as you didn't write anything to the drive afterwards, and didn't
> use the unconditional format switch.
>
> Never tried it myself, but it exists nevertheless.
IIRC, this only worked if you used the "quick format" option
which only overwrote the first track or two (boot record,
FATs, etc.) instead of formating every track and sector.
The "unformat" utility would go over the data area of the
disk and try to reconstruct the FAT from what it found.
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-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: electra41 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dual-booting Win95 and Linux
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:25:34 +1000
Flyboy105 wrote:
> I installed Linux on my system with 250MB left over for Win95. After I
> installed Win95, I no longer get LILO's screen when I start up.
> Can someone help me?
boot into Linux, and as root run lilo (after modifying file
/etc/lilo.conf). See manualon how to modify the file.
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From: "R.K.Aa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: weird ping
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:42:32 +0200
ryan wrote:
>
> Daniele Vian wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I can't ping -s 55 localhost or to any other host... Any other packet
> > sizes would work, but not 55 bytes! MOreover, doing ping -R localhost,
> > the answer is
> > RR: localhost (127.0.0.1)
> > localhost (127.0.0.1)
> > localhost (127.0.0.1)
> > localhost (127.0.0.1)
> > why 4 entries and not 2 (just one hop)??? My routing table is very
> > basic, only the entries for localhost and the default gateway, that's
> > it.
> > I'm running Linux 2.2.7 (redhat6) on two machines (128.197.22.24 netmask
> > 255.255.255.128 and 128.197.22.150 netmask 255.255.255.128 - so in two
> > different subnets) connected via a 3com 35000 router.
> > I have a lot of problems with other programs, and I guess that this
> > weird behavior might be the reason.
> > Anyone has an explanation to this fact?
> >
> > Thank you very much,
> >
> > daniele
>
> That is wierd. However, it isn't your network. I thought I'd try the ping
> on my network and I got the same repsonses! A packet size of 55bytes just
> gets lost and the ping -R localhost shows 4 entries. I have dug through
> all the ping info and documentation I can find, but haven't found an
> answer.
>
> I will keep looking. Post if you figure this one out.
Check the errata. (netkit_base and traceroute)
http://www.redhat.com/corp/support/errata/rh60-errata-general.html
There's an error in ping - "ping fails at odd bytes" - bug #3284:
"On all platforms, ICMP checksums were incorrectly computed for packets
containing an odd number of bytes. In addition, "ping -f localhost" does
not drop packets."
K.
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From: "Aart Scheepers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: spin down HDD
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:44:26 +0200
Try "crontab -l" to view the contents.
man crontab will give you an explanation.
Aart.
>
> I cant find cron. I found crond
> the man. doesn't doc. much though.
> how do you check?
>
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From: electra41 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem while Upgrading Kernel
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:34:15 +1000
TeaLeaf wrote:
> X-Windows and everything working fine
> Start upgrade:
> I copied "linux-2-2-2-??.tar.gz" to /usr/src (as root)
> I unpacked the source
> I move to /usr/src/linux and read the README
> I do a "make mrproper"
> <here i get an error 'cos make isn't installed so I used RPM to
> install make>
> <i also realize that gcc isn't installed so I install gcc using RPM
> too>
> "make mrproper" okay now
> "make config" - okay
> "make dep" - this fails as standard header files can be found
> (ctype.h, stdio.h etc...)
>
did you install gcc-devel package? ctype.h, stdio.h seems to be
gcc-devel files....
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From: "David Syratt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape Doesn't work
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:34:12 +1000
What messages do you get from Netscape when no site is found?
David
Ted Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hello,
>
> I just installed the RedHat 6.0. When I was installing the RedHat6.0, I
> chose "static IP address" and put in the IP address and other required
> info myself. Now I can telnet or ftp to other computers. But when I
> run netscape, it doesn't go anywhere. So is there any problem with the
> installation or the network setup?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ted
>
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From: Lew Pitcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: netscape
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 00:49:59 -0400
Michel Catudal wrote:
>
> James Stafford wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > try this site
> > >
> > > http://www.bluemountainarts.com
> > >
> > > choose the birthday cards
> > >
> > > then you go to the second page and choose "Happy birthday to you"
> > >
> > > Have fun!
> > >
> > > --
> > > use OS/2 for a crash proof work environment
> > > use Linux for safe and quick internet access
> > > use Winblows to test the latest viruses
> > > http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat/
> > > We have software, food, music, news, search,
> > > history, electronics and genealogy pages.
> >
> > Well, I just went there and besides complaining about not having an
> > x-audio plug-in everything worked alright. Is this what was supposed to
> > happen? Now, I would like to take the time for turning me on to this
> > great card sight! I love to make my own greeting cards, and doing so is
> > just about the only thing I have to use something other than Linux for.
> >
> > Again thanks a lot,
> >
> > jamess
> > --
>
> Mine uses midi and after the midi starts I don't seem to be able
> to stop it. But then it seems to crash as it is trying to load
> a big font. There is potentially two problems here.
Netscape 4.51 running under Linux 2.0.36 kernel and X 3.3
(Slackware 3.3 distro upgraded kernel).
For me, all this does is play a (loud) version of "Happy Birthday to You"
and show some badly animated lo-res large-type font messages.
P'haps you've got another problem?
>
> Under RedHat 6.0 netscape 4.51 and up would make Netscape go
> into a black hole while under SuSE it crashes Netscape. With
> Netscape 4.5 I never got it to crash under this with RedHat 6.0
> but it does crash sometime under SuSE if I have another netscape
> window open. It works ok most of the time.
>
> --
> use OS/2 for a crash proof work environment
> use Linux for safe and quick internet access
> use Winblows to test the latest viruses
> http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat/
> We have software, food, music, news, search,
> history, electronics and genealogy pages.
--
Lew Pitcher
Master Codewright and JOAT-in-training
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Richard Petersen)
Date: 25 Jul 99 19:42:49
Subject: Re: cant get IP masquerade to work
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> You got the stuff, but did you enable ip forwarding? Try this:
>
> echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
>
Yes, that was the problem.
Thanks
Ian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Winters)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Where is NULL/__null?
Date: 25 Jul 1999 10:58:48 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Tim Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have recently installed Suse 6.1, only now when I come to compile
>stuff , I get the error that __null is not defined.
>__null is what NULL is defined to be it seems but where is __null got
>from.
>
>A simple one line c prog will reproduce this...
>
>>>>
>char *p = NULL;
>>>>
>
>compiling this with gcc -c gives
>`__null' was not declared in this scope
>
>so it does see that NULL is defined from __null but not __null itself.
The single line version of the program shouldn't compile at all. The
error message you give suggests you did in fact have some sort of
#include in there.
>Including <stdio.h> or <stddef.h> does not solve this problem.
However, #including <stddef.h> should make it a legal compilation
unit. Looking through the egcs header files, __null doesn't seem
to be defined anywhere which suggests it is a compiler internal.
>I have gcc installed from package egcs-990315, gcc -v gives...
>
> gcc version egcs-2.91.66 19990314 (egcs-1.1.2 release)
>
>Was there something wrong with my install perhaps?
It looks likely - possibly the wrong set of header files for the
compiler?
HTH
John
--
John Winters. Wallingford, Oxon, England.
The Linux Emporium - a source for Linux CDs in the UK
See <http://www.polo.demon.co.uk/emporium.html>
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From: "Casper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 08:17:39 GMT
"CL" == "Chris Lee" writes:
CL> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
CL> >
CL> >
CL> >
CL> >Chris Lee wrote:
CL> >>
CL> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
CL> >> >
CL
CL> Who says it's the best? Amiga users? Give me a break....
CL>
No I say it is and I've used many platforms. You know nothing about
miami or its ease of use and connection, nor any of it power. So you
are again speaking out of ignorance, and making a complete fool out
of yourself..
The facts jack...
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