Linux-Misc Digest #165, Volume #19 Wed, 24 Feb 99 17:13:13 EST
Contents:
Re: mouse movement problem (Kun Li)
Re: Booting without a keyboard (Vladimir Florinski)
Re: High Priests of the Bazaar/Why Open Source does not work... who? (Jan Vroonhof)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (david parsons)
Re: Linux Graphing Packages on Redhat ("Karsten M. Self")
Re: Cannot get to LILO boot: anymore (Diversia)
Re: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ???? ("Michael A. Irons")
Re: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ???? ("Michael A. Irons")
Re: These newsgroups are riduculous... (McAlister)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (void)
Re: Glibc-2.0.112 Problem. (Horst von Brand)
Re: These newsgroups are riduculous... (Marco Tephlant)
Re: These newsgroups are riduculous... (Chetan Ahuja)
Re: These newsgroups are riduculous... ("Jeraimee")
Re: These newsgroups are riduculous... ("Jeraimee")
Re: Star Office - Registration????? (Brian Moore)
Re: More bad news for NT (Joan Higginz)
Re: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ???? ("Larry O'Connell")
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From: Kun Li <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mouse movement problem
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:40:10 GMT
> I got Linux-Mandrake(RH5.2+KDE1.1) up running just a few days ago. Very easy
> install except a little bit work with my modem.
>
> I found a wierd thing about my mouse. When CPU is in heavy load, I can only
> move the cursor up and down, and sometimes it moves itself to the left side of
> screen and refuses to move right again. This happens if some process runs out
> of control, eating up 95% CPU time. If I happen to have a terminal window
> opened somewhere, I am still able to kill the runaway process, otherwise I
> can't even open one :-(
>
> I'm using a generic PS/2 parallel port 3-button mouse. Is there something
> wrong with my mouse configuration? It seems not to be X-server problem since
> it still responds to my keyboard and does everything happily.
It is a PS/2 mouse, NOT parallel port mouse. Sorry about the confusion. BTW,
ghostscript uses a lot cpu time while printing image files. Simply killing
the process doesn't solve the problem in this case.
Kun
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From: Vladimir Florinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Booting without a keyboard
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 02:15:22 -0700
Phil Snowdon wrote:
>
> I am trying to use an old 486 as a server/firewall and I want to run
> it without a keyboard or monitor. Problem is that when booting Linux
> waits after Loading Linux......... line. Plug in the keyboard and it
> continues with the Uncompressing Linux ..........
>
> I don't want to have to plug in a keyboard everytime the system is
> rebooted. System keyboard entry in bios is disabled. Any Ideas?
>
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't keyboard necessary to switch the CPU
into protected mode? The Intel 8042 chip (keyboard controller) has the gate A20
and IIRC it is somehow used to switch from real to protected.
--
Vladimir
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Subject: Re: High Priests of the Bazaar/Why Open Source does not work... who?
From: Jan Vroonhof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 24 Feb 1999 21:08:16 +0100
John Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> First he says that the strongest example of open source softare
> making money is RedHat and Caldera, they make money by selling
> support. But then he says they don't count because they are not
> working on development of Linux. That's a bunch of BS. Redhat has
> taken great strides in writing GPL'd software to make the
> installation and setup of linux much easier for the computer
> illiterate. They might not be working on the Linux Kernel itself,
> but there software is GPL'd and they are making money.
In fact Redhat does "work on the Kernel". Both the maintenance of the
stable branch and the development of the modular sound in 2.2 kernel
are at least in part funded by Redhat. Similarly both Redhat and Suse
are contributing to the development of new X drivers etc etc.
> system, you'll see it comes with GCC. This isn't helping his case that
> GCC isn't as good as the commercial products. Besides GCC isn't the only
> free compiler, there are optimized offspring such as EGCS and PGCC. If
> commercial compilers are so great then who put the "doze" in
> Windoze?
In fact GCC is somewhat special anyway
1. One part of its success was that it outperformed the commercial
compiler that came with Sunos 4.x
2. The development of GCC has been hampered a lot in the past years
because of political issues (cathedralism at the FSF). The
commercial compilers have had time to catchup (and maybe overtake).
3. Cygnus (everybody keeps forgetting them now) has been able to make
a business around GCC despite these problems exactly because GCC
was open source. In fact partly thanks to Cygnus GCC did not really
die and now we have egcs that is surely at least good enough to be
competitive.
4. GCC is unable to make use of certain patented optimization
techniques.
In fact point 4 highlights what I think is an essential remaining
problem. What open source (as a development model) is also about is
the understanding that it is not feasible to put a cost on that 10
line patch I submit to fix a bug that annoys me. It works by giving me
other kinds of rewards. The problem is that patent licensing has not
adapted to this situation.
Example: I would not mind paying the Fraunhofer institute say $3 for
the right to use MP3 compression. They did do a lot of real research
to develop these human hearing models. However I do object to be
forced to use and pay for their software product just because that is
almost the only way they will sell you that right.
> Open source didn't directly make the internet so successful, I'll give
> him that.
Even there his argument is weak. There were also other protocols that
were open but they didn't grow that fast. It sure helped that there
was an TCP/IP stack with source to look at. Moreover INN, CNEWS,
sendmail, bind, cern httpd, NCSA httpd, Mosaic, etc are all open
source. If it was just open protocols, then why did the development of
closed competitors to these really only happen after the internet had
started its growth?
And last but not least he propagates the same fallacy I have seen in a
lot of publications in the press recently. The reason we want/need
open source is not the bazaar development model. The essential point
is the Freedom (in the FSF definition). The ability for each user to
have his problem fixed or to fix them himself by having the source
code.
That it turns out to make (economic) sense to actually develop
Free Software because you can apply new, maybe even better, development
models is very fortunate. But is IMHO not what it is all about.
Jan
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From: o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s (david parsons)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 24 Feb 1999 11:48:50 -0800
In article <7avv9k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John S. Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Joseph Malicki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> John S. Dyson wrote:
>>
>>> If you agree with HIM (note the capitals), then he is nice. I am
>>> nice (in person) to the strongest GPL supporter, and enjoy lively
>>> debate. Look, he is on a wave that he is riding, and if one looks
>>> at the "invention", one just might realize that it is mostly a
>>> knock-off and compilation of other's works.
>>> --
>>> John | Never try to teach a pig to sing,
>>
>> So what if it is? It still works nicely, and is a good freely-available
>> implementation. He took some works which were mostly of academic
>> importance and turned them into something usable by many people.
>>
>So was BSD, but it wasn't a knock-off, but the real thing. There is
>little to be gained from reinvention.
Nonsense.
People think that operating systems are fun to hack on, and if
someone wants to reinvent the wheel (like writing a new Unix kernel,
or redoing the VM system of an existing Unix kernel) that's
certainly not effort that's being taken away from the existing work
(at least in the free Unix world; if someones primary motivations
are political or technical, they won't go and do what you want them
to do if you can prohibit them from doing what they want to do.)
BSD is a knock-off of Bell Unix. Do you claim that nothing was
gained by the creation and ongoing life of BSD Unix?
____
david parsons \bi/ Of course, it's still perfectly valid to bitch
\/ about it.
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From: "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Graphing Packages on Redhat
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:35:40 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Paul Davies wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I've just bought a copy of RedHat 5.2
>
> Does anyone now if there are any good graphing packages included or, if not,
> what packages are available and where I can get them?
>
> I require a package that can plot complex, scientific 3-D graphics
- gnuplot
- S, S-Plus -- Commercial products
- R (free software version of S)
http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/R/contents.html
- PGPerl http://www.aao.gov.au/local/www/kgb/pgperl/index.html
- PGPLOT (used by PGPerl) http://astro.caltech.edu/~tjp/pgplot/
- ROOT: http://root.cern.ch/
- GNU Plotutils: http://www.gnu.org/software/plotutils/plotutils.html
Note that S, S-Plus, PGPerl, and ROOT are full-fledged analysis systems.
See also generally SAL:
http://sal.kachinatech.com/index.shtml
--
Karsten M. Self ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
Welchen Teil von "Gestalt" verstehen Sie nicht?
web: http://www.netcom.com/~kmself
SAS/Linux: http://www.netcom.com/~kmself/SAS/SAS4Linux.html
12:21pm up 12 days, 23:49, 8 users, load average: 0.25, 0.22, 0.24
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Diversia)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.software,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux,cino,is,ns-windows.nt
Subject: Re: Cannot get to LILO boot: anymore
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:47:24 GMT
Hiya,
I had the same problem when I deleted a partition of my harddisk. He
keeps searching for it so it crashes.
My remedy was to load linux from a bootdisk and restart lilo.
Bye,
Diversia
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:43:21 -0800, Michelle Xu Zhao
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi, I installed a scanner software/drivers and rebooted
>and found that the computer hang at printing the 'LILO boot:'
>prompt. It will print 'LI' then hang forever.
>
>I used to have winnt on partition 1 and linux on partition 4
>and run them selectively via the 'LILO boot:' manager.
>
>Now the boot manager seemed damaged by the scanner installation.
>
>And I cannot boot either of the two OS since I cannot get to
>the prompt.
>
>The question is: How do I go fixing the boot manager and get
>back the prompt? (get over the hang)
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Michelle
>
>
>
>
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From: "Michael A. Irons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ????
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:47:42 -0800
Paul wrote:
>
> Andreas Mohr wrote:
> >
> > Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > You can forget about the USB, as far as I know the only thing that
> > > supports it at this time is Windoz 98. Even my NT 4 (service pack 4) box
> > > doesn't support it.
>
> > Please never ever state something you don't know about !
> > I always hate it when people state something on the newsgroups that obviously
> > is blatantly wrong.
>
> I wouldn't agree with you more if it wasn't for the fact that I said "AS
> FAR AS I KNOW", I hate people who flunked Evelyn Wood's Speed Reading
> course and then jump in with dumb remarks based on their inability to
> fully comprehend a sentence. If you really know so much about Linux and
> USB then how about sharing your "Holier than thou" info with everyone
> and tell us EXACTLY WHERE this so called "SUPPORTED" software can be
> found.
> Paul
>
http://peloncho.fis.ucm.es/~inaky/uusbd-www/
> --
> To ward off spam my return address has been altered,
> it contains 2 x's that need to be removed, see below for true address.
> I thank you for your understanding.
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.datacomm.ch/rigsby
--
"By the time they had diminished from 50 to 8, the other dwarves began
to suspect 'Hungry' ..."
-- Gary Larson, "The Far Side"
aTdHvAaNnKcSe >THANKS 'in' advance<
Michael A. Irons
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ:9286466
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From: "Michael A. Irons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ????
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:49:30 -0800
Paul wrote:
>
> Sniper wrote:
> >
> > Ok, heres the deal, got a Toshiba 310 CDT, currently running Windows
> > 98, office 97, agent, Outlook 98 etc etc.
>
> I just installed Red Hat on a Compaq Presario 1240 over the weekend and
> was surprised how much easier it was to set up than my PC was. The only
> problem I'm experiencing at the moment is with the touch pad mouse, it's
> VERY sensitive as just the slightest amount of pressure will cause it to
> do a left click.
> I don't know if it's available but there doesn't seem to be any power
> manager for the laptop, that means keeping one eye on a clock and
> guessing how much juice you got left before the screen goes black and
> you loose everything you were working on.
>
> >
> > I'm seriously thinking about going over to Linux, but, every document
> > I produce, must be portable over to office.
> >
> > 1. Is red had 5.2 a good choice for a Toshoba laptop, or will I have
> > problems with drivers, Infra red USB etc.
>
> You can forget about the USB, as far as I know the only thing that
> supports it at this time is Windoz 98. Even my NT 4 (service pack 4) box
> doesn't support it.
>
> >
> > 2. What can I use application wise that's not going to involve a huge
> > leap from Office ? and provide backwards compatibility with Word and
> > Excel 97 ?
> >
Try looking at StarOffice 5.01 It claims to be MS Office compatable.
http://www.stardivision.com/
> > Thanks in Advance for all you help suggestions.
> >
> > Ian
> > Email me
> > scorp 888 at hotmail dot com
> > Now your clever, so you can work it out, cant you ?
> >
> > for the spam trap
> >
> > root@localhost
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> --
> To ward off spam my return address has been altered,
> it contains 2 x's that need to be removed, see below for true address.
> I thank you for your understanding.
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.datacomm.ch/rigsby
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to suspect 'Hungry' ..."
-- Gary Larson, "The Far Side"
aTdHvAaNnKcSe >THANKS 'in' advance<
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From: McAlister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: These newsgroups are riduculous...
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:45:59 -0800
Jeraimee wrote:
> I can't believe out of the 8 questions I have posted in the above listed
> newsgroups in the past 3 weeks (est.) that only 1 - ONE - has even been
> responded to...
>
> What happened here? Do you all only want to answer EASY questions? May we
> should let www.linuxcare.com take over the newsgroup! (snip)
Have you tried some of the more technical newsgroups? This one really is for new
users from the looks of the postings. Search Dejanews for your specific question
and see what newsgroups reply to it.
It may be an australian newsgroup or a debian one or who knows. there are dozens
of Linux groups.
Or go to IRC and join /#linuxhelp or #linux, not guaranteed, but nothing free
is.
Good luck.
Maria
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (void)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 24 Feb 1999 21:19:03 GMT
On 24 Feb 1999 11:48:50 -0800, david parsons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> BSD is a knock-off of Bell Unix.
I disagree. BSD started as a fork off of AT&T Unix and only acquired
clone status after AT&T forced them to stop using any AT&T code.
I guess I'm splitting hairs, but it does seem significant that the idea of
BSD was to *enhance* Unix, not to reimplement it.
--
Ben
"You have your mind on computers, it seems."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Horst von Brand)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Glibc-2.0.112 Problem.
Date: 18 Feb 1999 23:34:33 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Juergen Heinzl wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Taylor wrote:
>>I upgraded to glibc-2.0.112 and ended up (after 3 days) getting my
>>computer to work again... However, I can't recompile the Linux kernel
>>(2.2.1) [using egcs Feb08 snapshot] - it fails with undefined symbols in
>>network.a
>Cannot be a library problem, since the kernel does not make use of
>it; I'd 2.0.112 and now 2.1 so believe me that 8-)
Right.
>[...]
>>Now that is one hell of a lot of errors, but they are ALL referring to
>>skb_put and skb_push...
What happens is that some egcs snapshots do not inline some functions, but
the kernel (wrongly!) assumes that if you "extern inline" something, it will
be inlined allways, and does not provide the mandatory out-of-line version
anywhere.
Latest egcs snapshot (19990214) works again, but networking breaks big
time: 'ping localhost' gets just one answer back (2.2.1-ac6, egcs-19990214).
>You might run a find /usr/src/linux -size 0 first. Might be some
>object file got messed up and I cannot tell which C file those functions
>are in. It's really not easy to say what is going on and what is to
>blame, but take a look in /usr/src/linux/net first.
This is a good idea anyway, some previous reports were due to a *.c file
being replaced by a *.s equivalent, patch(1) left an empy *.c file around,
which make preferred over the *.s for generating the *.o. New versions of
patch(1) do not show this behaviour, BTW.
--
Horst von Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Casilla 9G, Vi�a del Mar, Chile +56 32 672616
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From: Marco Tephlant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: These newsgroups are riduculous...
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:56:13 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Jeraimee wrote:
>
> > I can't believe out of the 8 questions I have posted in the above listed
> > newsgroups in the past 3 weeks (est.) that only 1 - ONE - has even been
> > responded to...
> >
> > What happened here? Do you all only want to answer EASY questions? May we
> > should let www.linuxcare.com take over the newsgroup! (snip)
These groups seem pretty helpful. So far the ones i've seen unaswered are usually
badly worded ones, or ones with that lovely phrase "please reply by email" in.
--
Marco
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chetan Ahuja)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: These newsgroups are riduculous...
Date: 24 Feb 1999 21:21:34 GMT
Jeraimee ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I can't believe out of the 8 questions I have posted in the above listed
: newsgroups in the past 3 weeks (est.) that only 1 - ONE - has even been
: responded to...
: What happened here? Do you all only want to answer EASY questions? May we
: should let www.linuxcare.com take over the newsgroup!
I don't know about your previous questions... but if your attitude
was anywhere near as abrasive as it is here... I am not surprised your
questions were not answered...
: I find it hard to believe (in this example) that NO Linux users in the above
: groups use GNOME on a RH system.
GNOME is very much an under development software and relatively few people
use it yet. The correct place to ask questions about latest releases would
probably be a GNOME mailing list.
Try:
http://www.gnome.org/mailing-lists/index.shtml
: WHAT A JOKE
: Linux is not the end-all-be-all and neither are you.
: Thanks for the "help"... back to usable support and Windows I guess...
^^^^^^
Hmmm.... I am not much for conspiracy theories but M$ have been
known to try to plant moles before... And please... if your idea
support is paying hundreds of dollars per "incident" just to be
told "retry/reboot/reinstall" over the phone... all power to you.
Chetan
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From: "Jeraimee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: These newsgroups are riduculous...
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:59:57 -0500
Thanks for the input - reply via telepathy only pls.
Jeraimee
:)
Marco Tephlant wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> Jeraimee wrote:
>>
>> > I can't believe out of the 8 questions I have posted in the above
listed
>> > newsgroups in the past 3 weeks (est.) that only 1 - ONE - has even been
>> > responded to...
>> >
>> > What happened here? Do you all only want to answer EASY questions? May
we
>> > should let www.linuxcare.com take over the newsgroup! (snip)
>
>These groups seem pretty helpful. So far the ones i've seen unaswered are
usually
>badly worded ones, or ones with that lovely phrase "please reply by email"
in.
>
>--
>Marco
>
>
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From: "Jeraimee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: These newsgroups are riduculous...
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:59:25 -0500
LOOK A REPLY!!! :)
Yes, I've posted everything from beginner - to intermediate - and this
newest problem seems almost the advanced level...
Ahh... yet I just sent a reply to a newbie about fdisk /mbr ... can't help
it...
Did the Daja News thing - have not done the IRC thing ... I really hate
IRC... but...
Jeraimee
McAlister wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Jeraimee wrote:
>
>> I can't believe out of the 8 questions I have posted in the above listed
>> newsgroups in the past 3 weeks (est.) that only 1 - ONE - has even been
>> responded to...
>>
>> What happened here? Do you all only want to answer EASY questions? May we
>> should let www.linuxcare.com take over the newsgroup! (snip)
>
>Have you tried some of the more technical newsgroups? This one really is
for new
>users from the looks of the postings. Search Dejanews for your specific
question
>and see what newsgroups reply to it.
>It may be an australian newsgroup or a debian one or who knows. there are
dozens
>of Linux groups.
>
>Or go to IRC and join /#linuxhelp or #linux, not guaranteed, but nothing
free
>is.
>
>Good luck.
>
>Maria
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Moore)
Subject: Re: Star Office - Registration?????
Date: 24 Feb 1999 15:56:30 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is off the topic a bit I know, but is there an equation
editor for the word processor? I d/l'd version 5.0 today and
have been hunting around for it since then.
--
Brian G. Moore, School of Science, Penn State Erie--The Behrend College
[EMAIL PROTECTED] , (814)-898-6334
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From: Joan Higginz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:07:32 -0800
Jon Wiest wrote:
>
>
> I'd say the whole process of getting it going is pretty stupid. Heck
> setting up PPP requires me to read and absorb a 50 page HOWTO. That's okay,
> I like learning, but gawd, doesn't everybody want PPP?
>
>
I set up ppp on Redhat 5.2 last night. I read a single paragraph in a README
file somewhere. Had it running in 5 minutes.
(And I'm relatively new to Linux)
Nobody "requires" to read and absorb a 50 page HOWTO.
Sorted
E
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From: "Larry O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ????
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:36:25 -0500
ouch!
Paul wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
>
>Andreas Mohr wrote:
>>
>> Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
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