Linux-Misc Digest #165, Volume #21 Sun, 25 Jul 99 21:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Any seyon experts on board? ("Gordon D. Anderson")
Linux Software Archive + more (Never spam a hacker)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? ("Casper")
Scared to try again ("Scott")
Re: where is todos, fromdos? (Peter Caffin)
Re: need CDE source ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: xterm: scrolling up and down ("T.E.Dickey")
Re: AMD processor upgrade (Justin B Willoughby)
Re: bsd or linux? (Peter Caffin)
Re: What's the best antivirus for Linux? (ghordy)
Re: Linux 6.0: can't access floppy drive anymore (Peter Caffin)
Re: Download Manager (Peter Caffin)
Re: SVGAText (Michael)
Re: Plustek Driver for Kernel 2.2.x (Dave Croal)
Re: Does Linux support 'sar'? (Barry Walsh)
Re: state of SGML-tools wrt HOWTOs ? ("John D. Verne")
Re: How do you pronounce "LINUX"?? ("John D. Verne")
Position X windows through cli (Rob Brown-Bayliss)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Chris Lee)
Re: weird ping (Floyd Davidson)
Numbering Xterms? (Warren Bell)
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From: "Gordon D. Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Any seyon experts on board?
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:40:14 GMT
Mostly out of curiosity, I've been wasting time trying to get seyon to
run. On the command line I type : seyon -modems /dev/modem
The returned error message claims the modem is not available or permission
is denied.
Minicom finds the modem with no difficulty and I have verified the port
and permissions in /dev/modem. Since I can use other communications
packages in Linux and X, this one isn't very important, but what am I
missing here? Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Never spam a hacker)
Subject: Linux Software Archive + more
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:28:41 GMT
Hi
http://mylinuxworld.cjb.net
includes a new Linux Help Forum for beginners and advanced users. This
forum is still new, so start posting. But the main feature of this
site is its software archive for Linux.
Check out this site now.
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From: "Casper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:34:42 GMT
"CL" == "Chris Lee" writes:
CL> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
CL> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
CL> >
CL> >"CL" == "Chris Lee" writes:
CL> >
CL> >CL> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CL> >CL> says...
CL> >CL> >
CL> >CL> >
CL> >CL> >
CL> >CL> >Chris Lee wrote:
CL> >CL> >>
CL> >CL> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CL> >CL> >> says...
CL> >CL> >> >
CL> >CL
CL> >CL> Who says it's the best? Amiga users? Give me a break....
CL> >CL>
CL> >No I say it is and I've used many platforms. You know nothing
CL> >about miami or its ease of use and connection, nor any of it
CL> >power. So you are again speaking out of ignorance, and making a
CL> >complete fool out of yourself..
CL>
CL> Miami is better and more powerful than PPPD? Sure it is dude.
CL> Suuure it is....NOT.
Give it up DUDE! You know NOTHING about Miami, and I've seen from
your previous post that you are completely CLUELESS, and you continue
to make an ass out of yourself.
Just stop....you're embarassing yourself.
--
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From: "Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Scared to try again
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:53:53 -0400
About 2 years ago I spent about 200 hours getting RH 4.0 to run on one of my
computers. It was a fiasco. Now I'm thinking about trying it again. I've
noticed that the NG's don't have the same kinds of problems I saw back then,
so I'm hoping it can be installed easier.
Anyone ever installed it on an Amptron PM-9100 motherboard? This has
integrated video and sound. Other than that I don't have anything unusual.
What are my chances of a clean install without any manual tinkering?
Scott
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From: Peter Caffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: where is todos, fromdos?
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:15:58 +0000
Scott Lanning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tim Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : P.S. What 's a good offline newsreader for Linux? Right now I'm
> : using ProNews/2 under OS/2 Warp 3, but I'm thinking about giving
> : up OS/2 and use the disk space for Linux. Graphical would be nice,
> : but not required. I'm using strn at work.
The best way to read news "offline" is to set up your own news spool.
The easiest of these to install for small systems is Leafnode.
http://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/~krasel/leafnode.html will have
more info on this server.
> I always use "tin", but I telnet to my school account to use it.
It really doesn't matter too much what newsreader you use. Personal
taste. Tim could quite happily continue to use strn if it's available
for Linux or is available as source. Or he could use tin, nn, slrn,
knews or any number of other news clients.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: need CDE source
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 25 Jul 1999 20:49:40 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "R.Bloch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Is CDE for Linux downloadable from somewhere?
>It's not free software. In fact it's very much not free <g>. Beyond
>that, try www.cde.com
Thanks, guys. XFCE looks like it's pretty close.
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From: "T.E.Dickey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xterm: scrolling up and down
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:28:36 GMT
Roy Culley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I still don't know why it doesn't work from my ~/.Xdefaults file.
> Editing the XTerm file isn't really a good solution. Any ideas
> anyone?
when I'm puzzled about this sort of thing, I try using 'strace' to see
what files are actually opened - sometimes that shows a problem with
stray environment variables. (But loading resources with xrdb masks
the ~/.Xdefaults file).
--
Thomas E. Dickey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
Subject: Re: AMD processor upgrade
Date: 25 Jul 1999 20:51:55 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
"Nevyn" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> thankx......though i might reinstall windows at the same time.....jus for
> fun ya know.........and since i'll b replacing motherboard, processor,
Uhmmm you must have a sick sense of humor.... <g> I have never
reinstalled Windows for the fun of it.... The only times I have
reinstalled Windows was because I had to....
> graphics card, sound card, and ram.........i fink a few reinstalls might be
> in order.........should clear all the unneeded filed out though shouldnt
> it?????..d:o�
Ya you will probably have to re-install Winblows after such an upgrade.
Linux might be ok though if you are using the same harddrive. You might
have to get a new X server for your new graphics card.
- Justin
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_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ RULES!! * LINUX RULES *
_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ Justin Willoughby
_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ http://justinw.net
_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ ---- Jesus Is Lord ----
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From: Peter Caffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bsd or linux?
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:22:28 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I am a newbie who was just given a 486 PC with a whopping 4megs of RAM.
> I would like to set this thing up as a UNIX/Linux box.
[...]
> For a system like this, with my objectives, would BSD or Linux be best?
> If Linux, which one for crying out loud?
For such a system, I'd recommend the Slackware distribution of Linux. Its
installation requirements are *tiny*. Just remember to run `swapon` before
`setup` but after you've defined yourself a swap partition.
I can't really comment WRT the *-BSD OSes, though, I get the impression
that they'd struggle a bit with the small amount of RAM you've got.
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//`'\_ | (/_|(/_| |_(_|| | || | http://it.net.au/~pc |
/ PO Box 869, Hillarys WA 6923, AUSTRALIA |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ghordy)
Subject: Re: What's the best antivirus for Linux?
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:48:47 GMT
On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 05:50:14 GMT, Glenn Valenta
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Hello world!!!
>> I'm tryng to find a good antivirus for Linux. Can you suggest me the
>> one you think to be the best?
>> Thank you!!!!
>>
>> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>
>Don't run anything as root. create a user and USE IT!
>
>The worst that can happen is that you loose your local stuff but your system
>will still work. That's why you do backups though.
>
>Running full time as root is the first and biggest newbie mistake.
Uh, I think the person was asking about good 'antivirus', not good
advice. Check out this link:
http://jefnet.linuxberg.com/conhtml/sys_scanners.html
--
ghordy
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From: Peter Caffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux 6.0: can't access floppy drive anymore
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:34:34 +0000
Lev Babiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> To access the floppy you need to mount it first and then unmount
> it before ejecting.
Not strictly true. You can quite happily do a `tar -zcv /dev/fd0 *` and
archive your directory to a floppy without mounting that floppy. However,
the entire disk will be taken up by this operation. It can be a bit more
convenient to do this sort of thing if you're just transferring a few
files from (non-networked) machine to machine.
> In redhat you can usually mount with
Works with just about any Linux. However, you'll need to make sure that
the directory you're specifying appears in /etc/fstab (otherwise you'll
have to quote the full syntax `mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy`,
assuming it's a DOS/Win9x format floppy of course).
> mount /mnt/floppy
> and unmount with
> umount /mnt/floppy
> you MUST unmount before ejecting a floppy or changes wouldn't be
> written to the disk, also after unmounting wait for drive to
> stop flashing.
Also not strictly true. To make sure that your data is actually written
to the disk, rather than waiting around, you can use `sync` to flush the
the data to disk without having to unmount the drive.
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From: Peter Caffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Download Manager
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:23:26 +0000
John Napier wrote:
> Is there a Download Manager for Linux like "GoZilla" or "Getright"
> which can auto-resume (or even manually resume) broken downloads.
wget.
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From: Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SVGAText
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:26:15 GMT
Hello,
I played with it the whole time, and I got SVGAText "half" working.
Still some sync times are not correct, but I cannot see where the
mistake is.
Tryed it last with a modeline of:
# "T80x64x8" 63.26 640 720 800 808 1024 1024 1040 1101
font 8x16 # 71Hz/78.29KHz.
Problem: Everything is readable, but characters appear twice at the end
of the line. Seems the monitor syncs a bit too late, but I couldn't
figure out how to change that. The real problem is that my graphics card
only is capable of a pixel clock of 70MHz in Text mode. With 135MHz
everything could be easy, I just would copy the working modeline from
the XF86Config file.
Enough for today. We'll see again...
Michael
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> After another day or so of working with the HPA2094A, I now have it
> working well for X. Ironicly enough, it syncs for 1280x1024 at 75Hz,
> it's hit or miss at 74Hz (what I had working some of the time
earlier),
> and won't sync below that. I suppose the guy I got it from probably
> fiddled with the H and V sync potentieometers so it works at 75Hz.
>
> Anyhow, if I get SVGAText going, I'll let you know (and if you do, I'd
> love to hear about it).
>
> Bill
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> Hi there,
> >>
> >> I recently got one of these monitors (and necessary cable) and have
> >> just started getting it working for X.
>
> [snip]
>
> >> Thanks for any help & good luck -
> >> Bill
>
> >Hello Bill,
> >The monitor is working fine under X. I used XF86Setup for configuring
> >my x-server. The monitor (if you have an HPA2094A, too) uses exactly
> >1280*1024 at 72Hz. You may then use xvidtune for tweaking until you
> >have a good picture on the screen. I have a S3Virge/DX graphics card
> >with 4 Mbyte RAM, so it works well with 16bpp colour depth.
Everything
> >above caused problems with syncing and display artefacts, because the
> >graphics card worked at its limit. So far about x. With SVGAText
> >there's a possibility using the monitor on the text console, but I
have
> >it not working yet.
> >Regards
> >Michael
>
>
--
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: Dave Croal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Plustek Driver for Kernel 2.2.x
Date: 25 Jul 1999 22:31:15 GMT
Holger Dahm wrote:
> In former days i worked with kernel 2.0.36 (DLD). There was no problem
> to compile the alpha plustek scanner driver for SANE (see
> www.efn.org/~rick/plustek/plustek_sane-0.x1.tar.gz). Now i=B4m working
> with kernel 2.2.5 (SuSe 6.1). It seems, that some struct=B4s were changed
> in the kernel source (e.g. file_operations). so the struct=B4s of the old
> plustek driver source are initialed wrong by compiling time. this
> affects only in some warnings, but the result is, that every scan
> results in a black image. However, is there someone who has already run
> into this problem and has a solution.
>
> greetings, dahm
I do not have a solution, I have the exact same problem under RedHat 6.0,
kernel 2.2.15. Did you send your findings to Rick?
Regards,
Dave Croal
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Barry Walsh)
Subject: Re: Does Linux support 'sar'?
Date: 21 Jul 1999 23:05:24 +0100
On 17 Jul 99 03:53:02 GMT, Dave Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>: Is there a 'sar' like program on Linux?
>: 'sar' is System Activity Report
>: It gets system information such as
>: swap, memory, paging, queues, cpu usage, etc.
>
>I saw an announcement a while back that Sun was releasing
>source code of sar for use by Linux... didn't indicate
>how or when.
>
>--
>Dave Brown Austin, TX
It was by SCO and its being called OpenSar. (their website has more info)
--
I3arry \/\/alsh www.ubix.demon.co.uk
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From: "John D. Verne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: state of SGML-tools wrt HOWTOs ?
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 18:13:54 -0400
"Cameron L. Spitzer" wrote:
>
> Trying to resume work on LILO mini-HOWTO, on three different Linux
> boxes, I notice I have three different, mutually incompatible versions of
> sgml-tools. The version currently available at the abandonded sgml-tools
> Web site (http://www.sgmltools.org/) compiles on Debian-2.1 but cannot
> process the Linux HOWTOs.
>
> Is there a Linux Documentation Project-specific version of
> sgml-tools someplace? Where?
>
> What's Docbook? How does it relate to Linuxdoc?
>
> How can I tell sgml-tools utilities to use Linuxdoc instead of
> the new and mysterious Docbook format?
>
These are all very good questions that I have not found the answer to --
except, of course, for doning my own research. I've learned to work
backwards from the DTD spec files to find out what the hell sgmltools
wants from a document type.
Docbook is the semi-official DTD (derived from what?) sponsored in part
by O'Reilly & Assoc. It's a more muscular DTD than Linuxdox, and is
designed to be a general-purpose format for creating any kind of report,
book, whitepaper or technical documentation. The DTD look more
complete, and so may side-step some of the weirdisms in the Linuxdoc
DTDs.
The only docs I've seen for SGML-Tools is what is on the abandoned
web-site -- very slim. I've learned more grabbing the raw SGML source
of the exisitng HOWTOs. I also had to backrev to an older version of
SGML-Tools because my current SGML source did not work under Jade.
You will get better answers to this on comp.text.sgml, I think.
John
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From: "John D. Verne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do you pronounce "LINUX"??
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 18:02:54 -0400
J Rappe wrote:
>
> It's spelt "Linux" but it's pronounced "throat-warbler-mangrove". Hope
> this helps!
Doh! And here all along I've been saying "luxury-yacht". No wonder
they shun me at the LUG meetings...
John
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From: Rob Brown-Bayliss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Position X windows through cli
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:59:48 +1200
Hi all...
Is there a way to force an Xwindow to open in a pre-set position?
I am trying to have a couple of wm style dock apps open on my logon
screen, but they all open on top of each other so that only one is
visable...
Thanks
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Zoo Station
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: 26 Jul 1999 00:11:59 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>"CL" == "Chris Lee" writes:
>
>CL> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>CL> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>CL> >
>CL> >"CL" == "Chris Lee" writes:
>CL> >
>CL> >CL> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>CL> >CL> says...
>CL> >CL> >
>CL> >CL> >
>CL> >CL> >
>CL> >CL> >Chris Lee wrote:
>CL> >CL> >>
>CL> >CL> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>CL> >CL> >> says...
>CL> >CL> >> >
>CL> >CL
>CL> >CL> Who says it's the best? Amiga users? Give me a break....
>CL> >CL>
>CL> >No I say it is and I've used many platforms. You know nothing
>CL> >about miami or its ease of use and connection, nor any of it
>CL> >power. So you are again speaking out of ignorance, and making a
>CL> >complete fool out of yourself..
>CL>
>CL> Miami is better and more powerful than PPPD? Sure it is dude.
>CL> Suuure it is....NOT.
>Give it up DUDE! You know NOTHING about Miami, and I've seen from
>your previous post that you are completely CLUELESS, and you continue
>to make an ass out of yourself.
>
>Just stop....you're embarassing yourself.
I tried Miami out on my A3000. I wasn't impressed by it. Have you tried
using PPPD on a linux machine? Didn't think so....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: weird ping
Date: 25 Jul 1999 22:51:56 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jerrad Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Firstly, how did you end up trying 55butes as a packet size?
>Secondly, it seemd that 55 will never go through, try pinging anywhere with it
>(eg mit.edu), no go.
>
>Hope this helps
tanana: /home/floyd >ping -c 4 -s 55 mit.edu
PING mit.edu (18.72.0.100): 55 data bytes
63 bytes from 18.72.0.100: icmp_seq=0 ttl=239 time=949.6 ms
63 bytes from 18.72.0.100: icmp_seq=1 ttl=239 time=890.0 ms
63 bytes from 18.72.0.100: icmp_seq=2 ttl=239 time=890.0 ms
63 bytes from 18.72.0.100: icmp_seq=3 ttl=239 time=880.1 ms
--- mit.edu ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 880.1/902.4/949.6 ms
tanana: /home/floyd >
Seems to work just fine. (Note that the times reflect a
single hop satellite circuit.)
(Jerrad, your signature is obnoxious. Cut it down to 4 lines max.)
Floyd
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Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 17:52:04 -0700
From: Warren Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Numbering Xterms?
Is there a way to have you xterm title show a different number for each
new xterm? Like 'xterm[1], xterm[2]'. I have the string to put the
hostname and current directory on the title but numbering them would
work better for me.
I know KDE does this with it's terms, I just don't know the variable or
whatever it is.
Thanks,
Warren Bell
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