Linux-Misc Digest #187, Volume #19 Fri, 26 Feb 99 06:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: IDE RAID controllers for Linux ("Tony")
Adding users and changing passwords (in scripts) ("Janus N. T�ndering")
Anyone running VRWAVE browser? (Edwin Johnson)
Re: More bad news for NT (Harry)
Re: More bad news for NT (Harry)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Patrick M. Hausen)
partitioning hard drive ("Rashid K. Thahim")
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? ("Eugene")
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Richard Caley)
using 'mail' and pop (Steve Gage)
Re: loosing diskspace!! (Moritz Moeller-Herrmann)
Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused ("Matt O'Toole")
Re: Overclocking (was: Re: K6-2 and Linux, Are there any Bug?) (Christopher)
Re: Apache on a Beowulf cluster? (Chris Shenton)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Rob Komar)
Re: MCSE preparation exams ("Pad")
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Zenin)
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From: "Tony" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IDE RAID controllers for Linux
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:45:20 -0500
bill davidsen wrote in message
<7avavt$dsac$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Alex Nichol <alexn@[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>| bill davidsen wrote:
>|
>| >On a very related issue, before motherboards had IDE,
>| Yes. I just installed a Promise UltraDMA 33, PCI board (>Now that sounds
like a great feature.
I'll have to look for a source to
>buy these, unless someone happens to post one (hint!). There's always a
>lack of IRQs.
You can get the oem versions gateway used to use for around $40 . Supposedly
they can share irq on the pci bus, and generally picks the first one
available. Mine works fine on irq12 .
>| It has an internal BIOS which makes it the booting devices for DOS,
>| and hde to hdh for Linux, leaving the m'board as hda to hdd
>| I have four hard drives on it, two CDs on hda and hdb, and a HP 8100
>| CD-RW on hdc
>
>Hopefully that can be disabled, as long as the mobo devices are
>available and Linux sees the devices I don't need to boot from it, and
>your next comment suggests that there may be reasons not to do so.
I don't think it works that way ... you actually don't detect your hard
drives through your bios / motherboard controller with the Ultra33 .. as a
matter of fact I don't even have the cdrom (which I moved to the primary
onboard controller) detected anymore. The Promise card acts like a "scsi"
controller, and I think the timing registers permit it to coexist with the
motherboard controller .. it actually acts as the boot device in my cmos .
Tony B
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From: "Janus N. T�ndering" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Adding users and changing passwords (in scripts)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:36:17 +0100
Hi!
I want to make a script that adds a user to the system - well you
could just use useradd...right? I have tried that, but the system
doesn't allow me to login as the newly created user. I checked the
passwd file - and the user was listed.
I think it's my password - I used the useradd -p [password] option - it
doesn't seem to work.
Any other solutions?
BTW: The script is running as root...
Thanx....
Janus N. T�ndering, Denmark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edwin Johnson)
Subject: Anyone running VRWAVE browser?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 24 Feb 1999 19:08:11 GMT
Wondered if anyone has the vrwave browser running? I downloaded it and the
JDK 1.0.2, with which it was compiled, but it is looking for the libm.so.1
library and my libm's are so.4.xxx and so.5.xxx.
Any suggestions. I haven't been able to find the older libm.so.1 so far.
Thanks for any help. ...Edwin
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From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 05:03:22 -0500
Thanks for your real-world example. When a physics department can't
put its end-users on Linux, I think the average company department
has little chance. I wouldn't advise putting Linux on any platform
other than the server, for the time being.
However, I'd still content that TCO for Linux *should* be lower than
NT where Linux is used on the server.
Harry
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From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 05:06:32 -0500
>>May I add my voice to that? I've used visual development tools,
>>including Visual Basic, Visual J++, and VisualAge for Java (my
>>favourite by far) and I've not seen anything on Linux that matches
>>their quality (though, if NetBeans runs on Linux, this could
>
>I have used a number of 4GL languages in my career, and have come
to
>regard them as an evolutionary dead end. Why create an application
that
>requires a particular platform to run, when you can create an
>application that can be run world-wide via any commonly-installed
>browser?
I think you'll find that VisualAge for *Java* is just that! (Even
I've used it to build applets.) You can also build 100% pure Java
apps and applets with Visual J++, though a little more care is
required.
Harry
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From: Patrick M. Hausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 24 Feb 1999 19:14:44 GMT
In comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 24 Feb 1999 17:59:48 GMT,
> Patrick M. Hausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > I still don't see how Walnut Creek helps the programmers any more than
>> > Red Hat does.
>>
>> They don't. But with the BSD license the developers are on the same
>> competetive edge as Walnut Creek, while with GPL they can't compete
>> wit Red Hat.
> But I don't want to be a CD distributor and spend days on the phone
> trying to convince IngramMicro to carry my products, or worry about
> the balance between a big-and-impressive-looking-box versus a cheaper
> and easier to stock small box and other marketing bullshit.
> THAT is what Red Hat does, and they do it quite well. That is also what
> Walnut Creek does, and they, too, do it quite well.
> Why in God's name would a programmer want to do that?
I don't want to do that. I want to sell my Palm-Tricorder [tm] in any
way I desire - remember my example?
With GPL I have to hand my work - built upon others' work, no doubt -
over to Red Hat and the like to redistribute them on CD along with
instructions how to turn your standard Palm pilot into a Palm-Tricorder.
Thus, I can't start a business selling these things. Or Whistle Interjets
[tm] - or GNAT-boxes - or X-Terminals - or ...
With the BSD license I don't have to do that. I can keep selling
whichever embedded product I created based upon *insert BSD copyrighted
software* as a binary only or even a "hardware-only" distribution.
Would all the dedicated printer boxes in the world support the lpd
protocol with a GPL'ed lpd? Would Windows NT and MacOS support lpd
if lpd were GPL'ed? Of course not. And the world _is_ a better place
even though they keep "their" lpds binary only, because now we can
network all these OSes and printers together, thus enhancing the
"state of the art".
Side note: yes, I do know that many printer boxes still feature awful bugs
that were present in early lpds and which the manufacturers haven't fixed
yet - so much about "enhancing state of the art" ;-) Still, with GPL, we
would have no interoperating print servers at all.
Another example are TCP/IP-"stacks". I bet, the Internet wouldn't be
as popular as today and IP in every reasonable OS, if Net/2 wasn't
freely available. And by "freely" I don't mean GPL'ed ;-)
Think about that for a minute.
Patrick
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From: "Rashid K. Thahim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: partitioning hard drive
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 05:33:01 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My friend and I were trying to install linux on his pc
He had a 7.4 gb hard drive with no partitions so I thought that I might
use the fdisk utility that came with the redhat cd to partition the
drive. I did so and created three partitions for dos, linux swap and
linux. Then I almost successfully installed linux. However, in all this
I was not asked to format my new dos partition so really I dont know hoe
to get to this partition and install windows on it. Booting from a dos
floppy does not see this partition. Does anyone have any idea about how
I can get to the new dos partition so as to be able to install windows.
As I said booting from A drive does not list any other drives so there
is not way to change directory to "c" from there.
My friend is gonna get realy mad at me if I can not get his windows
working soon so please help !!
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From: "Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing?
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:35:31 GMT
I don't think so. Linux is 32 bit on x86 architechture. But it has full
support of 3 64-bit architectures, PPC, SPARC, and Alpha. 64-bit memory
space.... woooww!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message <7b0un2$i3e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Intel Xeon processor + NX chipset can support up to 8GB DRAM. Is there any
>Linux support for this? If not, does anyone know if it's in the works?
>
>I'm looking for an OS platform which will handle these large memories.
>NT addresses the >4GB range as a sort of "cache buffer" accessible only
from
>user more. Normal NT kernel code will be able to access the lower 4GB only.
>This solution is a poor one for my application - I would like to be able to
>access the entire address space from kernel mode as well, e.g. DMA, etc.
>Will Linux do something better than this?
>
>Thanks,
>-Mark
>
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From: Richard Caley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 26 Feb 1999 10:41:07 +0000
In article <7b5akk$10gr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Leslie Mikesell (lm) writes:
lm> And this is the real problem with developing any reliance on
lm> GPL-restricted work. If it ever turns out that you need something
lm> where there is no GPL equivalent in a way the the FSF imagines
lm> to be a 'derived work', then you have to abandon it all and start
lm> over, or do everything as custom works that are never distributed.
No, you just have to abandon the GPLed bits. You _have_ been keeping
track of what is what haven't you? (this is no worse than most other
licencing. Keeping track of modules whch implement patented algorithms
and so can't be distributed is one we have to deal with).
--
Mail me as rjc not [EMAIL PROTECTED] _O_
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From: Steve Gage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: using 'mail' and pop
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:46:26 +0000
I would like to sometimes quickly react to email from the command line
using 'mail'. I use fetchmail to bring mail in from my pop box, and read
it with 'mail'. But when I send mail, the from: address is sent to my
local [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is a problem because 1) I
would obviously like people to reply to my pop address and 2) some mail
servers won't even accept mail from a host that's not in their DNS
table. I've looked through all the mail and sendmail docs I can find,
but can't figure this one out. Can someone help me out?
Thanks in advance,
Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Moritz Moeller-Herrmann)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: loosing diskspace!!
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:07:57 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:20:38 +0100, Marko Brandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi everybody,
>
>we're running SuSE-Linux 5.0 with kernel 2.0.36 on our PC. He is acting
>as a backup-,file-, print- and faxserver.
>Our problem is, that we're loosing up to 10MB of disk space a day.
>How knows where linux is writing these 10MB?
>I've checked already the log files, they are not the problem. But i'm
>wondering that under the directory '/tmp' many directories named
>'./kbtmp[#]' are created. Within there are very big files. Does it
>affect the system if i delete them?
>
>Please help ... we're running out of space in a few days and it's
>essential to keep the server running in our office.
>
>Tia, Marko
>
You can configure how often /tmp files are cleared (at what age) in yast.
Normally you can delete all older files in /tmp without problems.
--
Moritz Moeller-Herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 3585990
Why do you pay BIG BUCKS for "micro" software with BIG BUGS?
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From: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused
Date: 24 Feb 1999 11:39:31 PST
Michael Neverdosky wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>It is a security hole.
>This means that any default system has user names and passwords that are
>known
>to anyone who has ever tried the distribution.
>New users don't know to remove these users (or at least change the
>passwords)
>increasing the risks to the system.
So give a choice during the installation, so a user could decide whether
they wanted preconfigured user accounts or not. A couple of sentences
describing why they might want such a thing, or why they definately wouldn't
want such a thing, would be plenty. The default selection could even be for
no user accounts.
>I am very much in favor of a 'novice' install that walks a new user
>through the
>instalation and gives a tutorial and demo to show how things work.
>Unfortunately, I am not yet up to the task of writing such a thing. :-(
I think a lot of people are up to the task, they're just not interested.
Matt O.
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From: Christopher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Overclocking (was: Re: K6-2 and Linux, Are there any Bug?)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:45:19 -0600
BL wrote:
>
> : the only chips i hear of that can be is celeron but besides that.... the
> : chip is not made to be over clocked..... if it was supposed to be over
> : clocked it would RUN at THAT SPEED not 50-100 MHz slower
>
> ever hear of "Marketing"?
>
> do you think that simply marking numbers on a chip is enough for gullible
> consumers to believe that that's all the chip was -designed- to do?
>
> sometimes the markings are accurate (technically) and sometimes not.
>
> don't accept blanket statements about o/c-ing. it all depends on the
> particular chip. check the net first before taking such a hardline on the o/c
> issue... a lot of people can o/c the celeron, whereas other chips may
> actually be at their marked limits. it all depends.
My friend is overclocking dual PII300Mhz.(350 actually) at 450Mhz. He hasn't had a
problem. I'm running a
PII266 at 300/75Mhz fsb. I'm going to drop in a 350 and push it to 450. So the chip
might die sooner, By
then I'll be buying a new one anyway. Try to find a PII300Mhz these days. It's
possible but hard. Because
everyone was buying them, because the could atleast clock it to 350/100 fsb. or
faster. Intel realized
this because no one was buying 350's. Why pay for a 350 when you can overclock a
300(350).
Chris
--
Jupiter Server running Lucas-Lehmer Formula (MPRIME) 24/7 on Linux 2.0.35
In search of a new Mersenne Prime number(GIMPS)
http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm
-->> Don't waste idle CPU time! Put it to good use. <<--
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From: Chris Shenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.sys.super
Subject: Re: Apache on a Beowulf cluster?
Date: 24 Feb 1999 14:15:38 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg Lindahl) writes:
> There is a Linux equivalent of Cisco LocalDirector, in addition to the free
> "squid" proxy mentioned earlier.
Check www.eddieware.org: multiplatform open source web redirectorys,
load-balancing DNSs, and (future?) content replication. Looks young
but promising.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Komar)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 26 Feb 1999 08:57:05 GMT
Christopher B. Browne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
:
: Peoples' opinions tend to be so focused on one or another
: interpretation of what *they* think communism is about that such
: comparisons are roughly as useful as comparing the leaders of projects
: like Linux, the FSF, GNOME, KDE, or various BSDs with that
: not-to-be-named in order to avoid Godwin's Law "notable strong-arm
: leader of one of the belligerent states in World War II."
William Lyon MacKenzie King?
Whoops! There goes the thread!
Cheers,
Rob Komar
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From: "Pad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MCSE preparation exams
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:39:30 GMT
Each OS has its uses.
I like using Linux for firewalling my LAN and running services that only a
UNIX-based server can provide (on a minimal system without BSODing). And I
like using NT Workstation as a desktop OS...
Josh Rasey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
<tOlA2.17$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Amen! etc...
>
> WIndows NT is fortunatley or Un, here for awhile and tends
> to make its appearance in many a Unix 'temple'. Understanding
> both of these beasts is the key to a happy network, though
> when you throw in Win9X, you are generally screwed
> no matter what you do... :)
>
> -Josh (who likes both NT and UNIX/Linux)
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
> <7as9rn$hqu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Hmm. I'm a *nix sysadmin, after a fashion. And I found preparing for
the
> >MCP/ MCSE tests to be fairly illuminating. The network I run has a
> >heterogenous mix of Win98, WinNT Workstation, and Linux/X workstations
> >attached. Anything I can wrap my brain around that makes it all work
> >smoother is a godsend.
> >
> >
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Tim Lines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Not completely. I know a couple of professional Unix Sysadmins who
value
> MCSE
> >> certification quite highly. Care to guess about the quality of work
they
> turn
> >> out?
> >>
> >> Don't bother, I wont keep you in suspense. After working with one
for a
> >year,
> >> I've never seen him fix anything. He breaks something at least twice
a
> week.
> >> He's very personable and spouts buzzwords in meetings. I've never seen
> the
> >other
> >> one actually touch a unix box although I hear that she has. Since
I've
> never
> >> seen her break anything, she rates quite a bit higher than the first.
> >>
> >> Both of them will ocassionally read newsgroups. Only at work of
course.
> >>
> >> If this guy would accept a company P.O., they would order this stuff
REAL
> >FAST.
> >>
> >> Jayasuthan [VorHacker] wrote:
> >>
> >> > In comp.os.linux.misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Is this guy lost or what !
> >> >
> >> > : I have MCSE exam simulation prep materials for sale, $20 US each.
> Email
> >for
> >> > : more information and list if interested.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >-------------------------------------------------
> >R. Christopher Harshman: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
From: Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Date: 26 Feb 1999 10:56:31 GMT
John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>snip<
: As for the bit about the infection of "derived works": assuming you only
: use pristine(*) GPL code and want to simply link it to your own, that's
: rather trivial in terms of legality.
The LGPL is *not* the same as the GPL. The LGPL isn't nearly as
evil or infectious as the GPL.
: Your work is not a derived work, it's merely interfacing with some GPL'd
: routines.
If it's under the GPL and not the LGPL, this is not the case. Even
the LGPL gets sticky.
Also, what if I see 10 lines of code from a 10k line GPL project
that I would like to use in my 10k line app? Under the GPL, *my*
code must carry the full GPL license.
To use those 10 little lines of GPL code I must give up my right to
license *my* code how I see fit. That is why the GPL is a virus.
It is also why the Perl FAQ and documentation is no longer under the
GPL, as it was infecting the code of anyone that ever cut and pasted
a single line of example code from it.
: (This is midly inconvenient perhaps, in that it places severe but
: well-defined restrictions on distributing
: _statically-linked_ executables,
The LGPL doesn't have this problem, but it still has the cut and
paste problem above.
: but then again the BSD advertising clause is mildly inconvenient as well).
Not in practice, IMO.
While the license excludes explicit product endorsement, just the
fact that you have that little line, "This product includes software
developed by the University of California, Berkeley and its
contributors." on your box does show that your company knows a good
thing when it sees it and as such makes the entire company appear to
have better judgment.
--
-Zenin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) From The Blue Camel we learn:
BSD: A psychoactive drug, popular in the 80s, probably developed at UC
Berkeley or thereabouts. Similar in many ways to the prescription-only
medication called "System V", but infinitely more useful. (Or, at least,
more fun.) The full chemical name is "Berkeley Standard Distribution".
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