Linux-Misc Digest #250, Volume #19 Mon, 1 Mar 99 18:13:15 EST
Contents:
This newbie's sworn oath !!!! (Robert Cover)
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion (Francois-Rene Rideau)
Re: Fax server (SRotherSN)
Re: netcape + freshmeat.org then crash? (Seth Van Oort)
Re: General unix question: find & replace string in a set of files (William Park)
Re: WINEr in search of fnt2bdf (digs)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Matt Dillon)
Re: man is lost? (Ambrose Li)
Where is Netscape Conference for Linux? (Miernik)
Re: More bad news for NT ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Sound card question
Re: installing linux (Alexander Bevzitskiy)
Re: why is compiling (and installation) so difficult (NF Stevens)
Re: Is Open Source movement anti bourgeois? (brian moore)
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion (Barry Margolin)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Cover)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: This newbie's sworn oath !!!!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 17:38:32 GMT
This On Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:04:46 -0600, "Wembley"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I understand this... gave ALL relivent info, and all had descriptive
>>headings. I'm not exactly new to this idea guys... I've propably been on
>the
>>"net" longer than most...
>....<snip>
>>Jeraimee made a mistake... opps... changed to my home e-mail address a day
>>ago and didn't put it back...
>
>If you're really a (self-proclaimed) net veteran, then you must know that
>you're wasting everyone's time when you flame others before checking your
>own work. Further, you surely must know that these groups are populated by
>people whose interest is furthering Linux, and that they give their time
>freely. Much of what I do at the community network where I work is
>volunteer, and I can say that I'm less than receptive to "demands" that I
>answer this or help with that.
>
>Please do your homework, RTFM, and respect the time and effort of others.
>As Linux blossoms, there is bound to be a glut of newbie questions (mine
>included!) on Usenet, and the gurus have finite resources.
>
>Peace -w
>
>
This newbie would like to make a sworn public statement
Right hand raised...Left hand on monitor screen
I do solemnly swear to read all manuals, Faq's, postings, and other
web support sites before gently requesting any assistance with any
matter.
I will endeavour to never post a question unless I have exhausted all
other avenues of investigation
I do solenmly proclaim never to demand assistance or expect it. All
responses to my inquiries will be acknowledged as pure goodwill on the
part of the responder
I promise to provide as much information as to machine configurations
and technical scenarios as I can type.
I promise to reciprocate goodwill to other newer newbies where I can
be of assistance
I lay prostrate, beg grovel and pay homage to the unix gurus who see
fit to respond to newbie questions
I will endeavour to scour the newgroups so that I can be aware of
problems that I might run into later. i.e linux distributions
updates,fixes patches,hardware issues
I acknowledge that no one owes me an answer and that the help I get is
a manifestation of the better qualities of the human race
And finally I swear to uphold and further the goals of open source
development
I endeavour to keep up or at least be aware of coming future
development and project efforts in the Linux communities
For what it's worth that's the way I intend to approach the newsgroups
on Linux Unix or any other Usenet supplied help
Now back to the manuals and Faq's and posting on upgrading Redhat 5.2
kernal to 2.2.1 even though the stable kernal is now considered 2.2.2
The struggle to find the answer gives me twice the info I need for the
next challenge.....
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From: Francois-Rene Rideau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion
Date: 01 Mar 1999 23:05:24 +0100
Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Francois-Rene Rideau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Certainly every single program written in LISP, ML, Perl, Modula-3, Haskell,
>>Mercury, Prolog, or otherwise high-level language, is formally proven
>>to never ever do an unauthorized memory access,
>>[least you explicitly do unsafe operations].
>>This is already much more than stupid low-level memory protection
>>will *ever* bring to you.
> It depends on what you define as "authorized".
A lexically scoped strongly typed language allows
for arbitrary authorization policies.
ftp://publications.ai.mit.edu/ai-publications/1500-1999/AIM-1564.ps.Z
Globals and dynamic scoping bring a security issue
that prevents most existing high-level languages to be used unmodified
as secure system programming languages.
Well-known mechanisms such as UNWIND-PROTECT,
non-global "top-level" environments (such as T has),
and/or otherwise module systems or first-class environments
can solve the problem.
On-topic QOTD follows.
[ "Far�" | VN: Уng-V� B�n | Join the TUNES project! http://www.tunes.org/ ]
[ FR: Fran�ois-Ren� Rideau | TUNES is a Useful, Nevertheless Expedient System ]
[ Reflection&Cybernethics | Project for a Free Reflective Computing System ]
I do agree to pay for the *opportunity* to read a book or use a program;
I do not agree to pay for the *right* to do so.
-- Far�
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (SRotherSN)
Subject: Re: Fax server
Date: 1 Mar 1999 22:25:02 GMT
seek out Hylafax.. its really pretty good.. can find it at LINUX WAREHOUSE..
http://linux.sio.net
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From: Seth Van Oort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: netcape + freshmeat.org then crash?
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 22:26:48 +0000
same thing here. I've had it on other sites as well.
Seth
Wulin Suo wrote:
>
> Can someone please tell why when I visit the freshmeat.net with Netscape
> it crashes all the time?
> I had that trouble when I use netscape 4.08, and got worse after I
> installed netscape 4.5.
> When I check the log file it says "bus error". So far this site is
> the only place that crashes my
> navigator.
>
> Am I missing some library?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Wulin Suo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Park)
Subject: Re: General unix question: find & replace string in a set of files
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:15:05 GMT
Phil Houstoun ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Phillip George Geiger wrote:
: >
: > I have a lot of files that need to be updated in a very similar manner.
: >
: > Is there a simple (or cryptic) unix command to go through every file
: > in a directory, find every occurrence of "12 January" and replace it
: > with "26 February"? All of the files are plain old text files.
: >
: > I'm just dreading the thought of opening every one of them in emacs
: > and doing a find and replace....
: >
: > Thanks in advance!
: >
: > --
: > Phil Geiger
: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Assuming you have perl, the following one-liner will make the changes to
: all *.txt files AND make a backup (.bak) version of them to boot:
: perl -p -i.bak -e 's/12 January/26 February/g' *.txt
A bit more orthodox solution would be
egrep -l "12 January" * | while read i
do sed -e "s/12 January/26 February/g" $i > $i.new
mv $i $i.orig && mv $i.new $i
done
This only affects those files with "12 January"; other files will not be
touched.
William
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (digs)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: WINEr in search of fnt2bdf
Date: 1 Mar 1999 23:13:13 GMT
you need to grab the source its in there..
In comp.os.linux.misc, Bill Mitchell spake unto us saying:
>Just installed the latest, greatest WINE in rpm form. I'm trying to get
>Agent and Pagemaker going here but need the bitmap fonts they use.
>According to the documentation, I can convert the fon files in two steps
>with fnt2bdf followed by bdftopcf. The docs say fnt2bdf is in the WINE
>distro, but it's nowhere on my box. bdftopcf I have.
>
>Anyone out there that can send the binary of fnt2bdf, and the man page,
>via email? Thanks.
>
>Bill Mitchell
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
--
later on,
digs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Dillon)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 1 Mar 1999 12:05:25 -0800
:In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
:Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>On 25 Feb 99 16:48:09 GMT,
:> Zenin, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
:> brought forth the following words...:
:>
:>>Richard Tobin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>>: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
:writes:
:>
:>> Why the hell would we want to do such a thing without some stupid
:>> license forcing us to?
:>>
:>> Simple. We do it for the exact same reasons GPLers do. We like to
:>> code and we like to reuse code. Unlike GPLers however, we also like
:>> to use our *own code* for something more then little toys we build
:>> at home. Yes, some of these derived projects may never be released
:>> under a BSD or GPL license. So what?
:>
:>
:>How exactly, does the GPL prevent you from reusing _your_ code in non-gpl
:>ways? Yes, it prevents you from using _other people's_ code, in non-GPL
:>ways, but not yours.
What happens when you have a GPL'd codebase and you contribute, say,
20% of the new code to the existing codebase.
Your code is useless by itself.
6 months pass. 5 other people contribute significantly to the codebase.
Their code is useless by itself. The project, as a whole, is a nice
piece of work, but nobody has any control over how it is used any
more, not even the original programmers. Why? Because tracking down
and getting all the original programmers to agree on changing the
copyright is impossible for any GPLd project of significance. As time
goes on, it only gets worse.
Now, I would argue that this is in fact the purpose of the GPL -- to force
a codebase to enter this type of situation over time.
But I'll tell you, I think it shoots the programmers in the foot as much
as it allows the 'marketeers' ( as John would put it ) ultimate control
over the commercial use of the code. This also makes it virtually
impossible to take pieces of GPL'd code from one project and use it
piecemeal in another, unless the other project is also GPLd. The more
time passes, the less likely it is that the code could be used for anything
BUT another GPLd project. Even by the original programmers.
The BSD copyright, in contrast, leaves the code wide open. I suppose you
could argue that by leaving it wide open you leave the code open to
commercial abuse. I would argue, though, that GPL'd code is no less
capable of being commercially abused. 6 years down the line I can
still take pieces out of BSD copyrighten code that I and others have
contributed to and I can use them in both commercial and non-commercial
projects. As a contributor of code, that is important to me.
-Matt
--
Matthew Dillon Engineering, HiWay Technologies, Inc. & BEST Internet
Communications
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Please include original email in any response)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ambrose Li)
Subject: Re: man is lost?
Date: 1 Mar 1999 17:26:13 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Erik with a K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>$ man ls
>No manual entry for ls
>$ man rm
>No manual entry for rm
>
>I tried uninstalling and reinstalling the man-pages RPM and it didn't
>change anything. Do I need to add something to my $PATH so it knows
>where to find the man pages? I am running the BASH shell with KDE 1.1
>and kernel 2.0.36. Thanks in advance!
Depending on your system setup, you might try adding something to your
$PATH (unlikely) or your $MANPATH. Actually, try removing MANPATH first.
env -u MANPATH man ls
and see if you get anything. If not, try to find a man page (perhaps
/usr/man/man1/ls.1 or /usr/man/man1/ls.1.gz) and see if you get
anything.
If you do get something, something is wrong with your /usr/lib/man.config
or /usr/lib/manpath.config.
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From: Miernik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Where is Netscape Conference for Linux?
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 19:45:32 +0000
I've installed Netscape Communicator 4.5, and in the Communicator menu, the
Conference position is dimmed.
How can I run Netscape Conference under Linux, is there one, has someone run
it?
If not, who can reccomend me a good conference program for Linux, is there a
VocalTec version for Linux?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:37:05 GMT
In article <uwK4pY$Y#[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In my day, we didn't even have binary. We just had one's. <
>
> Ones? I used to dream of ones! We had to hard-wire our programs.
>
> Harry
>
hard-wire programs?
We didn't have even stones. We used our fingers!
Dat
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Sound card question
Date: 1 Mar 1999 22:39:47 GMT
> > http://www.opensound.com/download.cgi
> >
> > Download oss demo and install it,,,if it works then buy it, I usually don't
> > reccommend throwing money at a problem to solve it,,for for $20, OSS is
> > worth it's weight in gold for configuring sound cards :) got my ad1816a
> > noname sound card working no probs
Also consider the completely alternative soundcard drivers at
http://alsa.jcu.cz which are (for the most part) OSS compatible
and have a number of advantages:
[1] The documentation is better, both of the API and the source code
[2] Completely GPL
[3] You get a user library that handles all of the ioctl() calls for you.
[4] The buffering system is better thought out and may give better performance.
There are some disadvantages too:
[1] The author is trying to write a system that is totally future proof and
so has made things more complex than OSS in order to ensure that every
eventuality is covered (some would think this an advantage but I'm sure
that it could be trimmed down a lot).
[2] Less people use it so it is harder to find someone to help if something
won't work.
> I'm a bit confused here. I thought linux already came with OSS support.
> Can someone explain what drivers linux is using?
Briefly, the original sound system for Linux was OSS which was originally
completely GPL. Then the OSS split and released a non-free version with
extra features and a free version which was bundled with the Linux kernel.
Then independent development modified the free version as kernel development
continued so that the current 2.2.2 kernels use an almost-OSS system.
The ALSA system was a parallel sideline that has had some small influence
on the development of the kernel. With the latest kernels, ALSA just uses
the standard module interface and you can load ALSA modules without
recompiling anything in the kernel. You can even use the OSS module for a
while then pull that out and load up the ALSA module without rebooting.
- Tel
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From: Alexander Bevzitskiy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: installing linux
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 12:53:42 +0200
Hi Chris,
I had same proble but after I say "expert" mode and select local cd-rom under
this list appeared "load supp disk". I installed RH5.2 successfully. May be this
can halp you.
Alexander.
"Chris T." wrote:
> does anyone know why i can't seem to install linux (Redhat 5.2), i boot up my
> system, and select the option i wanted, then when it comes to where i am
> installing it from, i select local cd-rom, but then i do that, it just seems
> to be stuck.
>
> I'm installing from CD-ROM which is written in Joliet format, and my hard
> drive is already formatted for linux file format with the swap file partition
> already made. If anyone can help me, please e-mail me.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Subject: Re: why is compiling (and installation) so difficult
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 22:34:40 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Thank you for your reply. I have got a little bit further in my
>installation quest. Now I have got an error message about wx-headers
>(see below).
>
[snip]
>
>I could not install XFree86-devel-3.3.3.1-20.i386.rpm yet - GLIBC_2.1
>and _GLIBC_2.0 need to be installed beforehand.
>
I don't have wx.h anywhere on my machine so I can't help I'm afraid.
Norman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: soc.culture.indian.kerala
Subject: Re: Is Open Source movement anti bourgeois?
Date: 1 Mar 1999 23:11:01 GMT
On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 22:12:45 GMT,
Seby Varghese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A random thought : Are the people behind the open source movement anti
> bourgeois and not true economic man, who always perform internal "cost
> benefit analysis" before giving away their product ? Is there any historical
> precedence for this kind of movement ?
Proof that a "random thought" is a contradiction.
Please try for coherence next time.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 18:25:38 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Francois-Rene Rideau wrote:
>
>> Indeed. The problem is in the programming language.
>> Requiring the system programmer to emulate, by hand, in C,
>> a strongly typed concurrent agent programming model,
>> and shooting him if he makes the slightest mistakes,
>> is not only a REAL STUPID design decision, it's also deeply EVIL.
>> The solution is, again:
>> to achieve a system that follows the above mentionned model,
>> use a strongly typed concurrent agent programming language! [duh!]
>
>This is exactly the 'fascist' (your wording!) approach that you so
>strongly oppose. What is the formal difference in discipline enforced by
>the language and discipline enforced by the run-time environment?? I
>prefer the latter, personally, I like the freedom of C. To quote an old
>C reference manual: "With C, you've got enough rope to swing with, and
>enough rope to hang yourself with."
Well, if you want the freedom of C, why would you then want the
straight-jacket of a microKernel?
When I was programming Lisp Machines, I never felt my freedom being
constrained by the language. There's a big difference between flexibility
and low-level access.
--
Barry Margolin, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GTE Internetworking, Powered by BBN, Burlington, MA
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