Linux-Misc Digest #250, Volume #21 Sun, 1 Aug 99 18:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: What I think of linux. (Justin B Willoughby)
Re: Errors reading BIG DVDs ("Sean Middleditch")
Re: sound card problem: device or resource busy msg ("Sean Middleditch")
BRU rpm Installation fails (Thomas Zeltwanger)
problem with x-cd-roast-96e (Christiane Martin)
Re: PPP and Linux ("Gregor Gregori�")
Re: What I think of linux. (Justin B Willoughby)
Re: File systems (Ezra Sitea)
Re: propertarianism (Richard Kulisz)
Program to find optimal MTU? ("Steve Snyder")
Re: Program to find optimal MTU? (machine)
problem with x-cd-roast-96e (Votre Nom d'utilsateur ICI)
Re: What I think of linux. ("Chad Mulligan")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: 1 Aug 1999 20:38:25 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
The Third Toad ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> I'm 17 years old and I've been using computers my whole life. My mom
> programmed with punchcards back in the day, and we've had a computer around
> the house since I can remember. I learned to use DOS on a PC XT when I was
> maybe 8? This was when virtually no-one had computers at home and the
> internet didn't even exist (seems like a LONG time ago...). So I used Dos
Oh but it did! Now the www did not exist like it does today but the
Internet has been around for more then 8 years (given it was a bit
primitive 8 years ago with mostly just telnet,ftp,gopher & etc). I am not
saying the these services are primitive, just the Internet as a whole.
> and didn't like windows very much when it first came out. And I used
> windows 3.1 and didn't like windows 95 when it came out. In my perception,
As much as I don't like Windows I think most would say Win95 was quite an
improvement over Win31. I use Linux at home because I can but if I can't
(at work or what ever) I would choose Win95 over Win31 (truly a lesser of
two evils).
> things have just been going way downhill. Sure, PC's are 50 zillion times
> faster now, but do you get things done any faster or better? Anyone
> remember DOS Wordperfect, before WYSIWYG, when it had a blue background and
> you used the F-keys to save, print, etc. It worked!
Yap it did the trick then and now there are those in this newsgroup
(including me) who would like to be able to do that now! in Linux rather
then use the gui version.
<snip>
> everything I've learned and done seems to make twice as much sense under
> linux than windows. It doesn't sheild you from what's going on like windows
Most of us how use Linux use it for just this reason! We have much more
control over the machine and OS.
<snip>
- Justin
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_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ Justin Willoughby
_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ http://justinw.net
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From: "Sean Middleditch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Errors reading BIG DVDs
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:09:05 -0400
4 GB? That's around the max size limit of a 32-bit integer... perhaps
somewhere in the kernel some 32-bit integers need to be changed to 64-bits?
Although since it works fine with hard-drives over 4GB, the CD drivers I'm
sure are seperate from the hard disk drivers.
Sean Middleditch
Tom Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I am experiencing errors when trying to access some files on large
> (>4GB) DVDs. On an older version of Linux, it blows up the kernel.
> On a recently downloaded and installed Redhat-6.0, I get errors
> indicating unexpected buffer sizes (x802 or x808 instead of x800),
> then filenames -- and the subsequent command line prompt -- become
> garbled. Under Win95, the disc is readable all the way through. I
> am suspicious of a addressing error or some such, but wonder if
> anyone has already seen this, and perhaps fixed it....
>
> ------------------ Posted via SearchLinux ------------------
> http://www.searchlinux.com
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From: "Sean Middleditch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: sound card problem: device or resource busy msg
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:18:46 -0400
It is NOT Soundblaster Pro compatible... the DRIVER is Sound Blaster pro
compatible. Since the driver only runs under Windoze (maybe MS-DOS) it's
pretty much useless. You can get a vortex (A3D) compatible sound system
from OSS (www.opensound.com I think), although for the full version you have
to pay money for both the system and the driver (a total of $40 for a beta
vortex driver) although you can get the "shareware" version, which has
complete functionality, but shuts itself off after so many minutes of use (3
hours for the first week and 20 minues after that) and has to be reset.
My advice: buy a Sound Blaster Live!, the driver is free, and is no further
behind developement than OSS's vortex driver.
Sean Middleditch
zackary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7nuq97$duk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> hello
> could anyone specifically solve my sound card problem? my pc
> configuration is pentium celeron 300mhz, Terrasound with A3D soundcard
> which in manual says compatible with sound blaster pro.
> The problem is while booting the system,the sound card fail. then in
> xterminal i run sndconfig. first ly it can detect any pci or plug and play
> card on my motherboard (something like that) then after i choose
> sounblaster pro as my sound card as no terrasound in the menu (actually
> after this i try several other soundcard on the menu list but result still
> fail) and i got this msg:
> /lib/modules/2.2.5-15/misc/sb.o:
> init_module: Device or resource busy.
> sound: Device or resource busy.
>
> That all guys.. really pain when i try some advise but to no success. I
> hope somebody out there know the right answer.
> pls help.
> thank you.
> -azaria-
>
>
>
> ------------------ Posted via SearchLinux ------------------
> http://www.searchlinux.com
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From: Thomas Zeltwanger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: BRU rpm Installation fails
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 17:20:21 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just tried to install the BRU rpm on my RH 5.1 system and it failed
saying that BRU-2000
requires /bin/sh - of course there is a /bin/sh which is a symbolic link
to BASH. Any ideas? Is there some reason that it can't tolerate /bin/sh
being a LINK?
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Subject: problem with x-cd-roast-96e
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christiane Martin)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:15:15 GMT
I've a problem with x-cd-roast. I can write data-record (I've an scsii
adapter aha1520b and a Matsushita cd-recorder), but when I try to write
audio one, first, I can't listen to the music when reading tracks, then,
after reading tracks and writing them, the audio CD result has no sound. I
can put it in my "stereo", I can play it, but there's no music..
In the setup utilities, x-cd-recorder doesn't reconize my cd-recorder with
"auto-detect" so I have to force the type; but whatever the type I select,
the result is the same.
I have tried with an older version (96c and 96d): it's the same. I've
compiled the sources, but the problem persists.
Thank you for your help
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From: "Gregor Gregori�" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: PPP and Linux
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:44:50 +0200
I have RH 6.0 and what is VJ Compression.
Thx
Greg
alann je v sporo�ilu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisal ...
>On Sun, 01 Aug 1999, Gregor Gregori� wrote:
>>I have a problem with PPP. I connect with KPPP on internet and i can't
open
>>pages in netscape or talk on IRC like computer doesnt know that he is
>>connected to internet. Please help.
>>
>>Thx
>>
>>Greg
>
>You didn't state what distrib of Linux you are running, but I'm running
>Mandrake 6.0 and had the same problem. Another guy in town ( who works on
the
>ISP I use ) is running RH 6 and had the same problem. Just a shot in the
dark
>but our problem was VJ Compression. If you are running either of these,
call
>your ISP and have them check if VJ compression is turned on in your account
>settings. Apparently something changed with RH 6 since we never had to do
this
>before.
>
>Alan
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: 1 Aug 1999 20:44:07 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
The Third Toad ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
>>>>I punched my first deck of cards for an IBM 1602 (1620??) in 1968.
>>>>That's not a PC - it was a mainframe with lots of blinking lights
>>>>and a typewriter console. I miss those blinking lights.
>>
>>> How quaint! ;)
>>
>>You could always built a small LED array and plug it into your
>>parallel port to relive the old days...
>>
>>:)
> Or buy an external modem (do they make them anymore?). What the hell are
> all the lights on those for, anyways? They have like 8! Internals have zero
> and work fine.
They make 'em. Now that I have one I won't ever buy an internal again!
The lights let you know what's going on. You can probably figure out what
is going on with some kind of software that probes the modem or some thing
(never really seen but I would guess this sort of software is out there it is
out there).
You could compare to Linux, you have a better handle on what is going on
and have more control, for example if it gets really hung up you can just
power off the modem and power it back on! No need to reboot.
- Justin
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_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ Justin Willoughby
_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ http://justinw.net
_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ ---- Jesus Is Lord ----
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From: Ezra Sitea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.be.misc
Subject: Re: File systems
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 09:14:13 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NTFS does NOT defrag on the fly. It is the most fragmentation prone FS
to hit the market. Even on a 1/4 full drive, the frag level is
outrageous! As for being more tolerant of being turned off during
operation, NT, like most other modern OSes will insist on running chkdsk
on volumes which were not shutdown properly anyway. If you want a true
journaled file system, go with one of the major Unix vendors (IBM,
Digital, Sun, Irix, etc) or BeOS.
John D. Verne wrote:
> My $0.02: NTFS is a "logging" fs, which means that it is a bit more
> tolerant about being turned off before it has a chance to sync. I've
> also heard, but never confirmed, that it "defrags" on-the-fly, but most
> modern filesystems do some sort of inode/block/whatever reordering
> anyway.
>
> John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: propertarianism
Date: 1 Aug 1999 21:49:52 GMT
In article <7nufdk$mdb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Richard Kulisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: Then why are you a Propertarian? In Propertarianism, the amount of
>: liberty you have is directly proportional to the amount of property
>: you have.
>
>It's a darn shame you can't carry on a conversation without putting
>words in people's mouths.
Do you deny calling yourself a "Libertarian"? Propertarianism is merely
a more honest and descriptive term for the ideology.
>I believe in liberty and justice for ALL, including those who are
>denied both under the current socialist/statist regime.
What about the vast masses that would be denied all liberty under
Propertarianism?
>Of course I also recognize that some folks will never allow others to
>live at liberty and peace, without threatening to initiate force or
>fraud against them as you have repeatedly done. Which is why even in
What does "force" have to do with anything? It is *a* means to rob
people of their liberty but it isn't by far the only means to do so.
In any case, Propertarians deny the existence of economic force,
which is the vast majority of force, so you aren't saying anything.
>a free country we would still need prisons and firing squads. You
>would be free, of course, to advocate your brainless ideas in a free
>country, but ONLY to the extent that you did not threaten violence
>against innocent people. Unfortunately you've already done that.
You continue to keep saying nothing. What's your definition of "innocent"?
Obviously it differs from mine. Propertarians are criminals, just like
neo-Nazis or KKK members.
>Meaning that even according to *existing* laws in both Canada and the
>U.S., you are a criminal. If I were in charge of things, you would be
ROTFLMAO!!!!
>Others will please note that it is Mr. Kulisz' advocacy of violence,
>NOT his political views, which are illegal both in his country and in
>mine. I believe in freedom of expression. I also believe in
>responsibility. One cannot exclude the other.
As a matter of fact, they're outright contradictory, so one *must*
logically exclude the other. But that's what Propertarians do; try
to weasel away with shit like that.
>: <smirk> It's difficult to encourage people to pursue *YOUR* freedom.
>: Why do you think so many people died in revolutions if not for their
>: own freedom?
>
>As is true of all libertarians, by definition, I do not believe in
>initiating force or fraud.
Which means nothing since your definition of force excludes economic
force (ie, starving people until they give in) and "force or fraud"
does *not* encompass all the many ways people are denied their rights.
I do however believe in responding to the
>initiation of force or fraud by making it physically impossible for
>the person or entity doing so to ever do so again.
You disapprove of people who can steal from *you* by physical force,
but you ignore any theft you might engage in by applying economic force.
How very convenient for you.
>But to address your question, those who like you pretend to want
>freedom only for themselves, or only for their own group, do not truly
>understand what freedom is. Since it is so obvious that you do not
>understand or value freedom, I do not address it for your sake. I
>know it will go completely over your head. I mention it for the
>benefit of others who are a little bit more open-minded and sensible
>than you have demonstrated yourself to be.
<smirk> "Libertarianism" is an ideology based on freedom for the wealthy.
If you have property then you have liberty, if you have nothing then you
are screwed. So it should be obvious that regardless of what you claim
to want, what you *advocate* is freedom for a tiny minority. OTOH, while
I might care only for freedom for myself (and this is debatable), what
I *advocate* is freedom for everyone.
>: You can start by changing yourself. Why is it that you accept the
>: repression associated with "ownership" as both nonrmal, inevitable
>: and even beneficial?
>
>There is no repression in my owning the fruits of my own labor, risk,
If I steal from you, should I not own the fruits of my own labour?
You confuse legal white-collar theft with production of goods. I
can't see how but your kind frequently do.
>and consensual dealings. Nor is there repression in my spending much
>of it, thereby creating jobs and opportunities for many other human
What a load of crap. A "job" is not a human good; it is not something
that benefits humanity. What is produced by the job may benefit humanity
(and frequently doesn't); but if you're taking away this produce for
yourself then you're only benefiting *yourself* you stupid fuck. Don't
you dare put yourself on a pedestal for being a selfish greedy asshole.
>beings, nor is there oppression in my saving and investing much of the
>rest, thereby putting the capital which *I* have created to productive
>uses such as building factories and homes and Web sites so that many
>more people can be gainfully employed.
Gainfully employed *for* *you*. How very convenient for you.
>I do not harm anyone in the act of either earning money, or spending
>it, or not spending it. Some people do, and the harm they cause must
>be addressed. But I do not, nor do most people.
Most people do. And it should be obvious, though it is not.
>You are the one who advocates repression by using a so-called
>"government" (actually a band of Mafia-like thugs) to steal most of
>it, WITHOUT OUR CONSENT, which is what differentiates you even from
>most other socialists.
The only reason you exist is by the consent and *active support* of
the larger society, so how *dare you* whine when this society demands
something back from you?!
You also want repression, you just want it by unelected, unaccountable
landlords and property owners. I want repression of a tiny minority, of
large property owners, you want repression of the vast majority.
>You and other statists control the educational and media systems in
ROTFLMAO. I wish!
>most of the allegedly "civilized" countries in the world and are
>therefore able to delude hundreds of millions of decent, but
>weak-minded, individuals into granting you more power than you
>deserve.
[snip idiot rant]
>I strongly suggest that from this point forward you weigh your words
>carefully. They will have consequences. If you continue to threaten
>to kill innocent people, then you should not be surprised when, sooner
>or later, a bunch of those people get together and make sure that you
>never get the chance.
I've never threatened to do it myself, I've only advocated all you
scum be slaughtered. And what are you gonna do; get together with
your fellow hicks and put together a lynching mob?
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
From: "Steve Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Steve Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Program to find optimal MTU?
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 20:27:51 GMT
Is there a program to identify the optimal MTU for a given interface
under Linux v2.2.x? If so, where might I find it?
Thanks.
***** Steve Snyder *****
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From: machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Program to find optimal MTU?
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:39:41 +0200
Steve Snyder wrote:
> Is there a program to identify the optimal MTU for a given interface
> under Linux v2.2.x? If so, where might I find it?
>
> Thanks.
use ping.. set the "no fragment" flag .. then ping some host using
increasing packet sizes.. the size u get an error about the packet being
too big u got your mtu..
J. Emans aka machine@IRCnet
PGP Public Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~machine/DSSkey.html
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If a 6600 used paper tape instead of core memory, it would use up tape
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Subject: problem with x-cd-roast-96e
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Votre Nom d'utilsateur ICI)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:06:52 GMT
I've a problem with x-cd-roast. I can write data-record (I've an scsii
adapter aha1520b and a Matsushita cd-recorder), but when I try to write
audio one, first, I can't listen to the music when reading tracks, then,
after reading tracks and writing them, the audio CD resulting has no
sound. I can put it in my "stereo", I can play it, but there's no music..
In the setup utilities, x-cd-recorder doesn't reconize my cd-recorder with
"auto-detect" so I have to force the type; but whatever the type I select,
the result is the same.
I have tried with an older version (96c and 96d): it's the same. I've
compiled the sources, but the problem persists.
Thank you for your help
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From: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:08:39 -0700
Arthur wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Robert V. Grizzard wrote:
>
<snipped<
>Er, 47 (blush) - although I tried Slackware in '95 when I was 45,
>but didn't like it. I suppose I had to mature a little to be ready
>for Linux.
>
>I punched my first deck of cards for an IBM 1602 (1620??) in 1968.
>That's not a PC - it was a mainframe with lots of blinking lights
>and a typewriter console. I miss those blinking lights.
>
I mis the typewriter console myself.
>Arthur
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