Linux-Misc Digest #250, Volume #26 Mon, 6 Nov 00 17:13:01 EST
Contents:
Weir behaviour with RedHat 6.2, works but can't log on ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Import GnomeICU from ICQ
Help (Davyeon Ross)
Re: Use append to tell linux where Linksys card lives ("Peter T. Breuer")
kernel 2.3.99-pre9 compile problem (roundman)
Re: LinkSys betrayed us! Poor prospects for Linux. (Robert Kiesling)
Re: cd burner mounts as read-only... (mst)
remote printing question ("Anderw G. Bacchi")
Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows (Peter)
Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows ("Mats Pettersson")
Upgrading the Linux Kernel (mike)
Re: HD mirror (Yves Bellefeuille)
Re: Help (WeBKiLLeR)
Re: poweroff doesn't power off (WeBKiLLeR)
Re: An unorthodox question about a Win NT/Linux machine. (Gareth Jones)
Re: LinkSys betrayed us! Poor prospects for Linux. (Paul Steckler)
Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows (Peter)
Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows (Peter)
Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows ("Mats Pettersson")
Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows (Peter)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Weir behaviour with RedHat 6.2, works but can't log on
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:00:20 GMT
Good day,
Since last night, one of my Linux RedHat 6.2 Box has this particuliar
behaviour;
All services and daemons works fine except.... we can't login anymore
with telnet et even at the console;
We get the username prompt, we enter a username, we type enter, we get
back to the username prompt. It loops like this.
/etc/passwd & /etc/shadow are ok since ftp & pop3 accesses works fine.
Note: No anonymous ftp access is allowed on this server.
Seems, at first, that a service / daemon is corrupt.
As anyone seen this before?
Regards,
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Import GnomeICU from ICQ
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:19:59 -0000
Hi, i have my ICQ contact list which i would like to import to use on
GnomeICU. Can I do that and how?
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From: Davyeon Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:20:28 -0000
I am trying to get a PC to set up Linux. This is my first time I am
setting Linux up, so I am trying to find what hardware Linux does not work
well with. I need some kind of backup Storage though. I am trying to find
out what specs in my system Linux would not be compatible with. The main
thing I am concerned about is the fact that i want to use a tape drive for
storage reasons. Is this even possible? If i can't use a tape drive then
what is an alternative to my backup needs. Can someone please help me it
would be greatly appreciated. Additionally if you have any info that would
make my mission a little simpler I would appreciate that to. Thanks
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Use append to tell linux where Linksys card lives
Date: 6 Nov 2000 20:27:06 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Reflexiv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: until stumbling on a solution. One thing you said that I am confused about
: is that i am pretty sure that I am loading the driver code as a module, as I
: never recompiled the kernel, but just downloaded the modules from scyld as
: an RPM. Am I misunderstanding something else? Anyway, it seemed to work for
: me using append in lilo.conf this way.
It doesn't. If it had any effect then you are using a builtin driver,
not the modules you loaded later.
: Also, to clarify a point where it seems you misunderstood me, I said to use
: the diagnostic disk to find out where the PCI card had installed itself, not
: to try to force the card to accept an assignment. It was Linux that needed
: to be forced to look in the right place for it, it seems.
No .... not quite. Any pci card negotiates its irq and io (which in any
case are virtual concepts, not physical ones, for pci) with the bus
at bootup. You can see what it and the bus decided on in /proc/pci.
The kernel reads this info and talks to the card at those addresses.
Which is the driver? Have a look in the code. You can see what params
it accepts (look for init or PARM).
: Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:8u6v8c$1e9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> In comp.os.linux.hardware Reflexiv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> : new drivers for my LNE100TX card to work, that hopefully will help
: others:
:> : so, for example, append="ether=10,300,eth0", would force Linux to look
: at
:> : IRQ 10, base address 300 for an ethernet device, and name it eth0.
Peetr
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From: roundman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: kernel 2.3.99-pre9 compile problem
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:24:57 GMT
I am trying to compile the above kernel on a RedHat 7.0 system with all
updates installed, and received the following errors:
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.3.99/arch/i386/lib'
gcc -D__ASSEMBLY__ -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -traditional -c
checksum.S -o checksum.o
checksum.S:238: badly punctuated parameter list in #define
checksum.S:244: badly punctuated parameter list in #define
make[2]: *** [checksum.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.3.99/arch/i386/lib'
make[1]: *** [first_rule] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.3.99/arch/i386/lib'
make: *** [_dir_arch/i386/lib] Error 2
What do I need to do to fix this?
Bob Full
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: LinkSys betrayed us! Poor prospects for Linux.
From: Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:33:37 GMT
Adam Theo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > If at all possible, please, write it up using DocBook and make it
> > available via the LDP, http:/www.linuxdoc.org/. It'll be archived
> > permanently, and you'll receive appropriate credit for your work.
> >
> > --
> > Robert Kiesling
>
> what is DocBook? i assume i can use it well on linux? if it is easy to
> use, and can be exported into at least plain text (hopefully html or
> xml as well), i'll do it.
DocBook is a DTD specification to format books and articles in SGML
and XML. The LDP maintains a set of docbook utilities that use the
Jade parser, and there are RPM's for generic docbook tools at
ftp://ftp.freesoftware.com/pub/sourceware/, I think, which is about
the easiest way to install them. They generate HTML directly, and
Postscript, LaTeX, and TeX dvi if you have TeX installed, and you can
get plain text by rendering the HTML in lynx or just about any other
browser.
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Robert Kiesling
Linux FAQ Maintainer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: mst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cd burner mounts as read-only...
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 15:32:25 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I have a scsi CD burner that mounts as "read-only." When I mount it, I
> get the message:
>
> "block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only"
>
> I'm a bit puzzled here because I have explicitly set my /etc/fstab to
> mount the drive as both readable and writable. Can anybody suggest
> what
> to do on top of this in order to remove the write protection?
>
> Using: SuSE 7.0 Pro
> Burner: Yamaha CDRW
>
> relevant /etc/fstab setting:
>
> /dev/scd0 /cdrom2 iso9660 rw,noauto,user,exec 0 0
>
Of course it's mounted as read-only; that's what CDROMs are, read-only.
When you mount a disk in scd0, you use it as CDROM, i.e. you cannot
write to it (btw: you cannot mount a blank disk, can you?). To write,
you get a cd-burning program, which will write to a blank disk using
/dev/sg0 (not /dev/scd0), which is a generic SCSI device used for
devices that need special operating modes, such as cd burners, scanners,
etc. Check the docs of cdrecord, there are detailed explanations.
MST
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From: "Anderw G. Bacchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: remote printing question
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 15:52:13 -0500
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I have local LPD printing set up correctly on one machine running RH
6.2, I can print a file to the printer on lp0. I am trying to set up
remote printing from another RH 6.2 system. The error I keep getting by
examining the queue with lpq is "foo.bar.com waiting for queue to be
enabled on other.foo.bar.com" and also, "other.foo.bar.com Hostname for
your address (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) unknown. I have the client machine
listed in /etc/hosts.lpd, but still the server machine doesn't recognize
the client machine. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
--
Andrew G. Bacchi
System Manager
Hanover Capital Management (dba AIRS)
35 So. Main St.
Hanover, NH 03755
603 643-8789 office
603 359-2868 cell
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From: Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 21:03:50 GMT
On 6 Nov 2000 09:28:01 GMT, "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: As long as processors process and disks disk, OSs need cleaning up.
>
>Nonsense. Uninstall what you don't want or need.
>
>My /usr partition has been at 256MB for the past five years ...
>
.
.
>
> ... blah blah. Yeah, /tmp on /var needs expanding. My machine works
>fine, has umpteen versions of netscape ad staroffice, and nexs, and ..
>I counted something like 110000 files on the system partitions last
>time I looked (this is an o/c'ed celeron 300, by the way, on a BX
>board). It compiles for libc5 and runs libc6 as compatible.
>
>Admittedly, /usr/local IS compressed, but well ..
>
>Peter
My previous project required installing 12 browsers next to each other
to test a web site. The browsers collided during the install. The
uninstalls did not know what to take out. Some of the testers tried
multiple Netscape installs on Mac and a variety of Unix. Same problem.
The install scripts replaced common files. The uninstalls came undone.
I note entries in this newsgroup reporting the same problem with
Linux. Poor installation scripts seem common to all operating systems.
Your user partition of 256 Mb sounds good. I used to work on projects
where I could backup all the files to a 100Mb zip disk. I replaced the
100Mb zip drive with a 250Mb drive the day 250Mb drives became
available so I would have room for expansion. The next project I
worked on did not fit 250Mb. It ended up filling 3 CDs.
My reference partition, the one containing help files, blew 6Gb early
this year and now has filled half of a 40Gb drive. This partition
saves me installing 30 CD drives. Suppliers send me 1 - 2 new CDs per
week. Luckily there are now 80Gb drives available.
The number of files on my PC has not jumped much. The main difference
is the increase in file size, like the replacement of 30K text files
with 30Mb graphic rich files.
The fragmentation of a 30K file is not important as that file size is
handled by just about every operating system. What does Linux do to
prevent fragmentation of 30Mb files?
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From: "Mats Pettersson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:56:33 GMT
"Steve Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:a517u8.18e.ln@helix...
> > > The performance enhancements
> > > suggested for Linux today are the performance enhancements suggested
> > > for Windows 5 years ago and MVS 25 years ago.
> >
> > You care to enunerate? What was it that windows had 5 years and
> > linux is only just getting.
>
> Hardware detection for one. Yes, in newer RedHat distros (and perhaps
> others), you have kudzu that will configure hardware for you at boot.
> Windows had it 5 years ago.
<nostalgy trip on>
As an old amiga-freak i just got to say that the Amiga had a
hardware-autoconfiguration
system that worked better 85 than Windows has now(or at least had 95). :)
During the mid 80s and early 90s there where a couple of systems that where
better designed and had better performance than the Windows/Intel systems of
that
time. Amiga, BeBox, Archimedes, Next... to mention some. However IBM PC
and Microsoft DOS where already too big and widespread and when Microsoft
finally made their OS usable with Windows 95, most of the competition died
away.
<nostalgy trip off>
> Again, I'm not saying that Linux or Ext2 are horrible - just that they're
> not perfect. Again, to ignore that would doom us to eternal mediocrity.
I agree, but aren't they working on somekind of new filesystem for Linux?
>
> steve
Mats
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From: mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Upgrading the Linux Kernel
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:56:01 GMT
Hi,
I am presently using Redhat 6.1. It comes with kernel version
2.2.12-20.
I was wondering if upgrading this kernel by patching it could,
in any way damage the system causing loss or improper functioning.
Assuming one keeps the major and minor version of the kernel the
same, ie. version 2.2, is it a good idea to patch it to the latest
version?
Mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yves Bellefeuille)
Subject: Re: HD mirror
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:00:29 -0500
Reply-To: Yves Bellefeuille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, Oliver Marugg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How could I do a full mirror/backup of a harddisk to another one, so
> that I could change the disk in case of a fault. Including LILO etc. We
> are using Suse 6.4.
There are at least three possibilities:
1. Use RAID-1: See the Software-RAID How-To.
2. If the disks are identical, copy them using "dd".
3. If the disks aren't identical, copy them using my "Hard Disk Upgrade
Mini How-To".
--
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From: WeBKiLLeR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 22:04:40 +0100
Davyeon Ross wrote:
> I am trying to get a PC to set up Linux. This is my first time I am
> setting Linux up, so I am trying to find what hardware Linux does not work
> well with. I need some kind of backup Storage though. I am trying to find
> out what specs in my system Linux would not be compatible with. The main
> thing I am concerned about is the fact that i want to use a tape drive for
> storage reasons. Is this even possible? If i can't use a tape drive then
> what is an alternative to my backup needs. Can someone please help me it
> would be greatly appreciated. Additionally if you have any info that would
> make my mission a little simpler I would appreciate that to. Thanks
>
> --
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what distribution are you using?
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From: WeBKiLLeR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: poweroff doesn't power off
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 22:09:41 +0100
Robert Lynch wrote:
> "Kilian A. Foth" wrote:
> >
> > Stefan Silberstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > "Kilian A. Foth" wrote:
> >
> > >> When I use poweroff (on my SuSE 7.0), I get the proper shutdown
> > >> behaviour right until
> > >>
> > >> "The system will be halted immediately.
> > >> Master Resource Control: Runlevel 0 has been reached"
> > >>
> > >> but no actual powering off. I vaguely recall that immediately after
> > >> installation this would actually power off the system (and I know for
> > >> a fact that the board can do it, since the Evil OS does it, too). What
> > >> could I be overlooking here?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Pain and disappointment are inevitable. Misery is optional.
> >
> > > The "normal" kernel doesn�t support auto-power-down.
> > > With SuSE 6.4 and 7.0 comes a kernel which supports APM.
> > > Install that one or compile a kernel with the support build in.
> >
> > Hmmmm. Since it used to work, and I definitely didn't install a new
> > kernel, the functionality must be there. How to re-enable it?
>
> On RH7 (NOT SuSE) there seems to be a new (?) check in the init
> scripts:
> ===
> HALTARGS="-i -d"
> if [ -f /poweroff -o ! -f /halt ]; then
> HALTARGS="$HALTARGS -p"
> fi
>
> eval $command $HALTARGS
> ===
> maybe you have a "/halt" file?
>
> HTH. Bob L.
>
> --
> Robert Lynch-Berkeley CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
i think you should poweroff using : halt -p
that works fine for me
if it won't work you have to recompile your kernel with APM support for soft
poweroff
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From: Gareth Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc
Subject: Re: An unorthodox question about a Win NT/Linux machine.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 21:13:31 GMT
Madhusudan Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi all,
> I have a somewhat strange question to ask. I have a dual boot system
>
>with Win NT (service pack 6) and Red Hat 6.1. Mostly I and others use
>Linux, but some of my friends still amazingly find some use for NT. This
>becomes a problem as many of them forget to reboot the computer into
>Linux (I am using System Commander
>with Linux as the default OS) and I cannot access it remotely.
> Is there a way to hack into NT and force it to reboot, say, half an
>hour after every logout ?
Create a batch file that restarts the machine if noone is logged on,
then schedule it (using AT) to run every half an hour.
The hard bit is detecting whether or not someone is actually logged
on. You could try something like this:
SET COUNT=0
FOR /F %%I IN ('NBTSTAT -N ^| FIND /C "<03>"') DO SET COUNT=%%I
IF %COUNT%==1 SHUTDOWN.EXE /R /C /Y
Basically this counts the number of "unique" netbios names registered
by the machine - one will be the machine name, and if a user is logged
on, the username will be the second*.
Alternatively, you could use a logon script to create a flag file, and
a log off script to remove it - then you could determine whether or
not someone was logged on by seeing if the file exists. To make a
logoff script you'll need a replacement GINA like the one on:
http://wwwthep.physik.uni-mainz.de/~frink/nt.html
SHUTDOWN.EXE is part of the resource kit. You might be able to
download it from MS. I'm not sure.
An alternative approach would be to to install telnet or sshd on the
NT machine. Then you can just connect to it and issue the shutdown
command that way.
* you'll get an incorrect result - a false report that noone is logged
on - if the username is registered by another windows machine on the
same network.
Gareth
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Steckler)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: LinkSys betrayed us! Poor prospects for Linux.
Date: 6 Nov 2000 21:16:16 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: I am experiencing the same problems as you. Using a linksys card and
: Red Hat will not recognize it. It can see the intel card no problem.
: Linksys told me the same thing about the tulip stuff.
I have two Linksys cards in my Linux box, which is an
old AMD 486/100. One card connects to a DSL modem, the other
to a hub.
Both cards work fine with the latest tulip module. I did have
to download and compile the tulip sources, however.
-- Paul
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From: Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 21:28:04 GMT
On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:30:10 -0700, "Steve Wolfe"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > The reports of reliability and performance problems in this newsgroup
>> > show one trend. The things that make Windows doze or die are the
>> > things that make Linux and UNIX doze/die.
>>
>> Like virii that are autorun by the standard mail reader for the
>> platform? No, thats only on windows.
>
> Recently on Bugtraq, there has been discussion of a bug in sendmail that
>can allow code to be executed, if I remember correctly. On Microsoft, it
>was intended. In sendmail, it was an accident. I'm not sure which is
>worse.
>
>> Like runaway user processes that bring the OS kernel to a screaming
>> halt? No, thats also windows?
>
> I dunno, Netscape for linux can bring the machine to a halt that can only
>be solved by the power switch. I'm not bashing Linux, just being realistic.
>
.
.
.
Hello Steve,
I agree with your comments.
The fanatics add grand new features while basic problems remain.
(Sounds like a certain Seattle based software company.)
The realistic help make the next release a useful amount better by
fixing existing problems and adding achievable improvements.
I tried RH 6.2 and it blew up trying to handle a wheel mouse. The
mouse is over a year old so there was plenty of time to get the code
right. Even though the wheeled mouse is in direct competition with
Microsoft's own mouse (and better designed and 1/3 the price),
Microsoft's operating systems support the mouse.
I tried Mandrake 7.0. The installation was easier but still blew up on
the same mouse. I am talking about locking up the screen type blowing
up. The keyboard became unusable so I could not invoke any magic
fixes. Only the power off switch remained functional.
I am about to try RH 7. Of all the distros, I found RH the most obtuse
to install and Mandrake the most helpful. Some of the other distros,
like Debian, have definite advantages but are not up to date. I would
have to complete the installation by updating just about every piece
of software I use.
This is the same as MS. By the time a compilation CD arrives, like the
SBS CD, all the components are out of date.
I have 6 of the latest Linux distros on the shelf behind me. 5 have
PHP3 instead of PHP4. Can you completely uninstall PHP3 without losing
custom settings? Can you then install PHP4 and pick up the custom
settings? I know it works with some Linux software but not with all.
That is the same as Windows. Some software suppliers make their
software updatable. Some do not.
I download to this machine then update on this machine. If the
installation does not work, I recover on this machine then download
the next update. It works with some software and fails with others.
Anything associated with Internet Explorer seems to require a recovery
of the operating system. Software from more reputable suppliers is
safe. I see people reporting in this newsgroup the same type of
problem under Linux.
If you build a fool proof operating system, some software company will
hire a better fool.
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From: Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 21:41:06 GMT
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000 09:21:54 GMT, Erik de Castro Lopo
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Peter wrote:
>Like runaway user processes that bring the OS kernel to a screaming
>halt? No, thats also windows?
Like liking up the operating system because of a faulty mouse driver
for a mouse on the market for over a year? That is RedHat 6.1, Windows
95 and RedHat 6.2 but not Windows 98 or NT 4.0.
>
>Like kernel functions that don't check their input arguments causing
>kernel data corruption? Yep, thats windows.
>
>> The performance enhancements
>> suggested for Linux today are the performance enhancements suggested
>> for Windows 5 years ago and MVS 25 years ago.
>
>You care to enunerate? What was it that windows had 5 years and
>linux is only just getting.
>
Useful help panels during the installation process. Mandrake 7 is the
first that I would call useful.
Easy workstation setup. NT 3.5 had it. Mandrake 7 is the closest. Some
of the other distros claimed to have it around the same time as
Mandrake 7. I tried some of them but they would not boot from CD.
Easy application server setup. If I wanted to run up a simple Intranet
server today with an off the shelf CD, I would have to use RedHat 7 to
get an up to date MySQL, Apache and other products. I do not yet know
how the RedHat 7 installation compares to RedHat 6.2 or Mandrake 7. If
it is not as good as Mandrake 7 then we are looking at an installation
process comparable to NT prior to 3.5.
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From: "Mats Pettersson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 21:37:56 GMT
"Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> My previous project required installing 12 browsers next to each other
> to test a web site. The browsers collided during the install. The
> uninstalls did not know what to take out. Some of the testers tried
> multiple Netscape installs on Mac and a variety of Unix. Same problem.
> The install scripts replaced common files. The uninstalls came undone.
I may be missunderstanding you completely, but aren't there specialized
applications
out there for testing web-sites?
Are you trying to install several browsers on the same computer? Why don't
you just
open a new (or 12) window(s) in your current browser?
> I note entries in this newsgroup reporting the same problem with
> Linux. Poor installation scripts seem common to all operating systems.
I agree here, and you should be glad you only tried to install a netscape
browser on Linux. :)
If you get to something like compiling and installing sendmail, mysql,
apache... you preferable
have to be a C/C++ programmer, like to read FAQs RFCs and spend a month
learning
protocolls and security systems (i might stretch it a bit, but you get the
picture).
Don't get me wrong, i admire the people doing all those free applications
and i understand
they don't have all the time in the world to write big comprehencive
manuals, especially
for free, but nevertheless it's a problem.
Mats
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From: Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 21:58:29 GMT
<nostalgia>Hello Mats,
I am happy to see you have experience with other operating systems.
<brag>I used to work on IBM systems when IBM used to distribute the
source code and let users diagnose/fix problems or just generally
snoop around.</brag> The operating system was provided free with the
hardware. The whole setup sounds similar to Linux now.
Most users complained about having to compile source code instead of
getting 100% error free binaries in the first place.
Most people fixing errors, both in the field and at IBM, used to hard
code fixes for specific situations. Few could write code to think the
right path through problem situations. From what I see of today's
code, the same happens.
The fact that someone produces hardware without a reliable driver,
proves people are still planning products backwards and trying to
patch up their mistakes in rushed drivers. The poor sod volunteering
to write a driver for Linux has to battle the combined stupidity of
the sales, marketing and financial management at the company producing
the hardware.
By comparison, the 14 year old at Microsoft handling the Windows 98
distro,just says to the hardware supplier "if your driver does not
work, I do not include it and you miss out on 105,000,000 customers".
</nostalgia>
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:56:33 GMT, "Mats Pettersson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Steve Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
>news:a517u8.18e.ln@helix...
>
>> > > The performance enhancements
>> > > suggested for Linux today are the performance enhancements suggested
>> > > for Windows 5 years ago and MVS 25 years ago.
>> >
>> > You care to enunerate? What was it that windows had 5 years and
>> > linux is only just getting.
>>
>> Hardware detection for one. Yes, in newer RedHat distros (and perhaps
>> others), you have kudzu that will configure hardware for you at boot.
>> Windows had it 5 years ago.
>
><nostalgy trip on>
>
>As an old amiga-freak i just got to say that the Amiga had a
>hardware-autoconfiguration
>system that worked better 85 than Windows has now(or at least had 95). :)
>
>During the mid 80s and early 90s there where a couple of systems that where
>better designed and had better performance than the Windows/Intel systems of
>that
>time. Amiga, BeBox, Archimedes, Next... to mention some. However IBM PC
>and Microsoft DOS where already too big and widespread and when Microsoft
>finally made their OS usable with Windows 95, most of the competition died
>away.
>
><nostalgy trip off>
>
>> Again, I'm not saying that Linux or Ext2 are horrible - just that they're
>> not perfect. Again, to ignore that would doom us to eternal mediocrity.
>
>I agree, but aren't they working on somekind of new filesystem for Linux?
>
>>
>> steve
>
>Mats
>
>
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