Linux-Misc Digest #838, Volume #19 Tue, 13 Apr 99 20:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (William Wueppelmann)
Re: Installing Oracle8 on RedHet 5.2 (NF Stevens)
Re: VMware sell-out to Microsoft??? (NF Stevens)
Re: Linux Database for commercial project ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Error code 30 on Linux (Roland Latour)
Re: VMware sell-out to Microsoft??? ("Edwin E. Thorne")
Re: Large file creation crashing (Cris Collins)
Re: X11Amp ("Sabbat")
Re: No Copy or Paste (Rick Dearman)
Re: Linux is dead ("Michael Schmeing")
Re: Problems installing glibc 2.0.7 with SUSE 6.0 (Berry Goossens)
Re: WordPerfect 8 Installation (Ranjit Solomon)
Re: Unresolved symbols question (NF Stevens)
Second NIC ("Bob Miller")
Re: Linux does not execute/see program : Wine (Ulrich Weigand)
Re: Palm Pilot interface for Linux? (Gary Momarison)
Re: VMware sell-out to Microsoft??? (Scott Campbell)
Re: Deleted! Noooooo ("Steve D. Perkins")
Re: Linux Database for commercial project (Azzy)
Re: Can we switch from Redhat linux to Debian?? (Christopher Browne)
modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-4 (Julio De Gregorio)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:02:47 GMT
In our last episode (Mon, 12 Apr 1999 05:19:03 -0400),
the artist formerly known as Harry said:
>>>Really? I'm sure I could build a dialog to do _just_ that!
>>
>>Really. You just described accessing a CLI to do it.
>>
>> Floyd
>
>Really - it's a GUI. What do you think a GUI is? It's a set of
>visual interface elements (command buttons, radio buttons, etc)
>linked to a set of event handlers (lines of code). That's why
>anything that can be done programatically can by definition be done
>via a GUI. That doesn't, however, imply that a GUI is the best way
>of doing it
Particularly when the GUI akwardly emulates a limited command line shell,
incurring the penalties for akward interface plus requiring that the user
still know the command syntax. In practical terms, the only way for a GUI
to do many command lineish things is to emulate a command prompt, and using
a GUI to, generally poorly, emulate a command prompt, is even less useful
than using emacs for the sole purpose of emulating vi.
>(though, in the case of having to type the abomination
>again and again it would be).
Except that there is an even better way to do it via a command line shell
by aliasing the beast to something simple and descriptive (like "mess") or
turning the whole thing into a shell script.
--
It is pitch black.
You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Subject: Re: Installing Oracle8 on RedHet 5.2
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:05:59 GMT
Niklas Lofgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi!
>
>I'm trying to install Oracle8 from CD but I can't run any .sh files.
>I have installed Oracle on severel other Unix dialects, bot this one
>beats me :)
>Below is an example of me trying to run oratab.sh as root.
>The same error occurs when I try to run orainst.sh as the oracle8
>user...
Do you have the noexec option set in fstab for this file system?
If so the kernel will not respect the x attribute on the file.
Norman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: VMware sell-out to Microsoft???
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:05:55 GMT
"Edwin E. Thorne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Scott Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Civilization Call to Power should be out around the end of the
>> month...
>
>So what it seems to come down to is that there are fewer games for Linux
>than you can count on your fingers.
If that's a problem we could always come round and cut
some of your fingers off.
Norman
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Linux Database for commercial project
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:42:12 GMT
According to Warren Rodie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Does anyone have any experience with other databases under linux (redhat)?
>
> We want this site to be very stable.
> The database size will probably be around 10+Gb but the structure itself
> will be relatively simple.
>
> Any ideas?
> What about postgresql? Is it stable enough and does it support large
> databases?
I've played with many of the free SQL database tools (mSQL, MySQL, and
Postgress) and while they are very well suited for non-critical,
low-volume use they are not in any way suitable for stable, high
volume usage.
Of course, there is no substitute for experimentation, and since all
three products are free, I suggest you try each one out, populate the
database with some dummy data, and simulate an expected load.
Btw, you can also download free evaluation copies of both Sybase and
Oracle for comparison. Furthermore, if I interpret the Linux license
of Sybase properly, it seems to be perfectly legal to use the
evaluation copy of Sybase under Linux even for installed commercial
applications. You do not, however, get any support, and its use is at
your own risk.
-p.
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From: Roland Latour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Error code 30 on Linux
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:36:32 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> To my delight, I was able to run RM/Cobol on Caldera Open Linux. However if
> the Cobol program involves opening or accessing file, it always give me File
> Status 30! Can anyone tell me what is the problem?
Try:
alias errors='view /usr/src/linux-2.0.30/include/asm-i386/errno.h'
Unless RM/Cobol has its own error reporting scheme, it's opening a file
on a read-only file system.
--
Retired Tech Support Engineer http://home.cdsnet.net/~rolandl
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -Ben
Franklin
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From: "Edwin E. Thorne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: VMware sell-out to Microsoft???
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:49:09 -0500
Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7evgt2$cei$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik de Castro Lopo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[snip]
> The more I think about it the more I realize Stallman is right:
> non-free software, and especially non-free operating systems, give
> vendors of proprietary software control over not only their own
> programs, but programs and data that belong to other people. I will
> *not* knowingly use non-free software on my GNU/Linux box, except Star
> or Applix (and only until free substitutes exist), and am trying to
> phase out Windows and Windows software as completely and quickly as I
> can.
Do you know of anyone who has walked completely away from Windows on other
than a server or a home machine? Can you really give up the vast amount
of Windows software? Besides Quake, X-Plane, and rumors of a Half-life
port, what games are there for Linux?
>
> Joe
>
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From: Cris Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Large file creation crashing
Date: 13 Apr 1999 15:48:01 GMT
The original file was created on Solaris machine. And the function
below was preformed on an older version of Slackware. The Problem was
solved doubling the ULIMIT within /etc/login.defs. Thanks for any
consideration given.
Kent Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Cris Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:> I have a Pentuim II 400 Mhz machine with 384 Mb of RAM and a
:> couple of 47 Gb SCSI Hard Drive running Slakcware 3.5 and kernel
:> 2.0.36. A user on the machine has been usuccessful in modifying
:> a 3 Gb file using the following routine:
:> i_test=fwrite(&buffer[first],4,n_buf,fp_out)
:> if (i_test !=n_buf) {
:> [Complain]
:> }
:> He moves the the data in 2^15 or 32768 blocks. When the output file
:> reaches 1073741824 or 2^30 the system simply stops writing to the
:> output file. ANy ideas? The drive is formated at 2048 bytes per Inode.
: Does linux support files larger than 2 gig? If it doesn't this may be your
: problem. (Of course, this also begs the question, how did your user create
: the file in the first place.)
: Kent
--
my signature file
Ultimate - Let it fly and I'll be there in the end zone.
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From: "Sabbat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X11Amp
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:40:23 +0200
So dont use x11amp its no good :)
If you are using kde my advice is use "kmpg" a very good mp3 player. Find it
on freshmeat.net.
--
Sabbat
#mp3@IRCnet
irc.tvd.be
irc.webbernet.net
MrLoke a �crit dans le message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>What exactly do I need to use X11Amp, rpms tar balls etc.. ?
>I'm rather new to Linux, using RedHat 5.2 with kernel 2.2.5 on a Pentium
>II.
>And I hate installing useless garbage.
>
>I am sorry if this has been discussed before.
>
>Thanks in advance
>MrLoke
>--
>ad astra per aspera
>
>
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From: Rick Dearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: No Copy or Paste
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:46:41 +0000
jik- wrote:
> Rick Dearman wrote:
> >
> > I can't get copy of paste to work in any windows manager, KDE, FVWM95,
> > you name it. I have tried using shortcut keys such as Shift-Insert.
> > Still nothing. Can someone tell me what's wrong? I have just upgraded
> > from RH5.1 to RH5.2, It worked in RH5.1 -- Is this a X-WIndows problem?
>
> Could be. You could have your mouse configured improperly this time.
> Did you use the same configuration files?
No, I let it do it all again.
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From: "Michael Schmeing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is dead
Date: 13 Apr 1999 14:16:06 +0200
"*** No Spam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have been a Linux user/fan for 2+ years now. Recently I heard some bad
> news from one of my friends. I heard that M$ is working on an M$ Linux and
> they are going to release their crappy products for Linux, except that the
> program will only run if you have the M$ Linux kernel. So I think very soon
> we'll kiss our good old linux goodbye.
>
>
Ever checked the date when the "news" you're relating to was
published? This seems very much like a joke on April 1st. There has
been another similar one on this NG saying that M$ will get
patent-rights on the open source concept.
Just my thoughts,
Michael
--
Michael Schmeing, Artillerieweg 46, D-26129 Oldenburg
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www: http://www.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE/~michae2
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From: Berry Goossens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problems installing glibc 2.0.7 with SUSE 6.0
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:16:49 +0200
Mmmmm, StarOffice setup says glibc-2.0.7 is not installed so that's why I'm
trying to do so.
I will look into that, Thanks.
Berry
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote:
> SUSE 6.0 is already glibc-2.0.7. You should not be trying to install glibc
> again. It will not solve whatever problem you are having that is making you
> feel like you need to install glibc-2.0.7.
>
> Tom Veldhouse
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Berry Goossens wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Hi,
> >
> >I'm trying to install StarOffice 5.0 on my SUSE 6.0 Linux system but I
> >can't get it done
> >because of library problems. I tried to install the glibc 2.0.7
> >libraries both manually and
> >automatically (using soprep) but in all cases my Linux system is not
> >accesible anymore.
> >Normal commands like ls or mv cannot be found anymore, I can't login
> >anymore, etc.
> >This is in short what happens: Everytime the original runtime Linker
> >"ld-linux.so.2" is
> >removed, my system stops functioning. When I (after booting a rescue
> >system) copy the new
> >runtime linker to "/lib" my system is still not functioning. Only
> >reinstalling the original
> >"ld-linux.so.2" restores my system.
> >I'm very sure I'm doing exactly what has to be done according to glibc
> >2.0.7 libraries
> >README but I cannot get it done. Does anyone know a solution for this or
> >does this mean I
> >cannot use StarOffice 5.0 with SUSE 6.0 Linux?
> >
> >I hope someone can help me with this problem because I don't know it
> >anymore.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Berry
> >
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From: Ranjit Solomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 8 Installation
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:31:17 -0400
Thanks a lot for responding.
I downloaded the large file (23MB-WordPerfect.tar.gz) rename the file to
Wordperfect.tar
and did " tar -zxvf WordPerfect.tar" as you mentioned and the installation was
perfect..
thanks again.
Ranjit
Brandon wrote:
> jullian ortmann wrote:
>
> > Ranjit Solomon wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I am a newbee and trying to install WordPerfect 8. I downloaded the 7
> > > files and untar them When I run the Runme, I get this message
> > >
> > > "Did you unzip and untar files you downloaded ?"
> > >
> > > if I type "y" - Error: Nothing to install.
> > > "n"- Please refer to the Readme file if you have
> > > questions.
> > > I can't get pass these error messages.
> > >
> > > I would be very much appreciate if someone could help.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Ranjit.
> >
> > Hi,
> > I'm a newbie too but managed to install and use WP8. I'm assuming when
> > you type 'y' the computer repy is 'Error: Nothing new to install'.
> >
> > If this is the case, look the in the directory where the WP files are and
> > find the directory /wpbin. In it should be *xwp. In midnight commander
> > (mc) just double clicking on it invokes Wordperf.
> >
>
> and how might this help? he hasn't eveni nstalled it yet suposedly so
> trying to run the program isn't going to work.
>
> Make sure the files are indeed untarred or whatever they need to be. I
> downloaded the one big file last night. I did 'tar -zxvf GUILG00.GZ'
> I believe and itworked fine. I did './Runme' or whatever its called and it
> ran the install script. After i did the tar command about 8 files got
> crreated so make sure those files exist, and since u downloaded the
> individual files you willnow have a little more than twice the number u
> started wiht in that directoy b/c a README and the Runme files are extracted
> as well.
>
> Brandon
>
> > If I'm wrong about the error message, I'm not too sure what to do.
> > good luck
> > ju
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,atl.os.linux.dial-up,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.
Subject: Re: Unresolved symbols question
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:37:59 GMT
"Walter L. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>
>> The correct order is : make menuconfig;make dep;make clean;make
>> zImage;make modules;make modules_install.
>> Moreover, tell us what are the "unresolved symbols" more precisely.
>>
>> Manu
>
>Thanks for responding Manu
>
>The symbols I getting are for stuff I configured "OUT" of my setup. Things
>like SCSI card support, sound card support, non-IDE CD support, etc... I
>excluded them from my setup because I don't have these things on my
>system. I hope to make a nice, small, fast kernel.
depmod -a version. This is required to update the list of module
dependencies.
Norman
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From: "Bob Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Second NIC
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:17:24 -0400
I'm trying to set up a RedHat Linux 5.1 box as a firewall for my LAN. I've
got one network card running perfectly fine, but can't seem to get the
second one recognized.
I've gone into linuxconf and set up both eth0 and eth1 properly and I
activated the cards. I tried passing some boot-time commands, but nothing
I've done will work. I tried typing in an ifconfig command for eth1, but
that doesn't work either.
I'm running on a Compaq Prolinea 466 (just a 486/66) with 16 megs of RAM.
The card that works is an Intel EtherExpress Pro 100B card using the
eepro100 kernel module. The second card is an Intel EtherExpress Pro 10+
also using the eepro100 kernel module. I plan to use the 100 mb/s card for
the connection to my local LAN, and the 10 mb/s card for the connection to
the ISDN router.
Any help would be appreciated!
-> Bob Miller
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ulrich Weigand)
Subject: Re: Linux does not execute/see program : Wine
Date: 13 Apr 1999 18:08:33 +0200
Alex Fedoseyev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I just installed Wine to run some DOS/WIn3.1 soft in Linux.
>I work in UNIX/LINUX for many years, but ....
>strange/crazy things go on: Linux does not execute/does
>not see some programs.
>cmmrboot 178% ./wine
>./wine: Command not found.
Try 'ldd ./wine' :-) I bet there will be some dynamic library missing.
Most probable cause would be that the binary is compiled for libc6
and you only have libc5 on your system ...
--
Ulrich Weigand,
IMMD 1, Universitaet Erlangen-Nuernberg,
Martensstr. 3, D-91058 Erlangen, Phone: +49 9131 85-7688
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Palm Pilot interface for Linux?
Date: 13 Apr 1999 16:23:40 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete) writes:
> I hate to ask this because I think it will be a 'no', but
> is there a PIM or like program that will sync with my
> Palm Pilot under Linux?
I think it will be a "yes". Search for "Pilot" in
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/portables.html
--
Look for Linux info at http://www.dejanews.com/home_ps.shtml and
Gary's Encyclopedia at http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/index.html
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From: Scott Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: VMware sell-out to Microsoft???
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:30:21 -0400
Civilization Call to Power should be out around the end of the
month...
scott
Chris Welch wrote:
>
> In comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Edwin E. Thorne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > of Windows software? Besides Quake, X-Plane, and rumors of a Half-life
> > port, what games are there for Linux?
>
> Civilization 2 and Alpha Centauri and Sin. Supposedly more are coming
> quickly. I wish they would do Master of Orion 2.
>
> --
> -
> http://www.olemiss.edu/~cmwelch1
>
> Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from
> mediocre minds - Albert Einstein
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From: "Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Deleted! Noooooo
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:45:13 -0400
Ouch! You never know, someone might have some obscure suggestion that
I've never heard of... but I would imagine you're screwed. Unlike FAT,
there's no "UNDELETE" command I know of that works with ext2fs.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Azzy)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Linux Database for commercial project
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:23:06 -0500
Andrew C.R. Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Warren Rodie wrote:
>
> > I have to set up a back end database for a web site. I want to use linux to
> > run the server and I need to select a database for it.
> >
> > I had been planning on using Oracle but we have just been quoted $30000
> > (Aus) per CPU (We were thinking 2 cpus) and that seems maybe a bit
> > expensive.
> >
>
> $30000?????? I have an Oracle price list in front of me and it says UKP230 per
> user (or UKP1170 for Enterprise Edition). They don't quote per-CPU prices and
> we were told that they do not do that - only a 10user (I think) licence where
> you
> *cannot* calculate how many users you have (i.e. Web applications). Note this
> is always *concurrent* users.
Actually, they DO for web application servers.... Just started this
recently... :-(
>
>
> I have used PostgreSQL quite a lot and think it's pretty good, but I'm not sure
> I
> would trust a whole company's large database to it (not that I have ever lost
> any data with it).
>
> Don't forget Informix, Sybase and DB/2 are all options for Linux as well now.
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Can we switch from Redhat linux to Debian??
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:47:27 GMT
On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:10:52 -0500, Al Dev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>How is the Debian linux?? Anyone used both the Debian and RedHat??
>
>Need Pros and cons of debian over redhat...
>
>Currently using the Redhat linux 5.2. I saw that LSL had released latest
>Debian linux 4cdrom (intel,
>sparc, alpha, mk cpus) having the latest kernel.
>
>Is migration from redhat to debian advisable??
There are some differences between what is available at what time for
them, amounting to advantages in each direction depending on exactly
what it is that you want.
There is some tendancy for "cutting edge" stuff to have packages
"slapped together" a little more quickly for Red Hat, which means that
you'll have a buggy version available a bit quicker. This sort of thing
happens most with things like GNOME, EGCS, and XFree86.
Frankly, there is *not yet* a full release of GNOME for Debian yet; this
fact is nicely reflective of the "real world" fact that GNOME, not
unlike KDE, needs further attention to system integration before it
becomes *dead easy* to get installed. The RPM versions of GNOME take a
bit of kicking and screaming to get them working with Red Hat; they
won't be a part of Debian until they don't take 'kicking and
screaming.'
Debian is *dead* easy to upgrade, once installed; you can do automatic
upgrades of packages with pretty decent safety. You can even do "major
version" upgrades automatically with reasonable confidence, which, with
Red Hat, I'd tend to eschew in favor of doing a fresh install. With
Debian, it is very clean to do incremental upgrades.
I've been very impressed with Debian thus far.
--
Linux! Guerrilla UNIX Development Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus.
(By [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/linuxdistributions.html>
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From: Julio De Gregorio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-4
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:19:25 -0300
Hello!
I've just compiled and installed my new kernel and modules, it works
fine.
I'm using RH5.2, but, I get the following errors at system boot and
shutdown:
modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-4
modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-5
modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-4
modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-5
modprobe: can't locate module down
Can you help me with this?
-= Julio =-
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