Linux-Misc Digest #838, Volume #21 Thu, 16 Sep 99 18:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: REQ: The fastest Window Manager for a slow Laptop? (Ilya)
Re: Linux + RAM >64M (Ilya)
Re: Mail-Virus-Scanning (Jim McIntyre)
Splicing files together ("Steve D. Perkins")
Re: Kernel 2.2.5-15 ppa module (Zip Disk) data corruption? (Anita Lewis)
Re: X: monitor resolution settings (Adrian Hands)
Fetchmail - recipient address *** didn@t match any local name??? (Phillip Deackes)
Newbie Question: MS IE4.0 for UNIX. ("Eric Dawson")
Re: REQ: The fastest Window Manager for a slow Laptop? ("Matt O'Toole")
Re: I WANT TO DITCH WINDOZE BUT I CANT!!! (Darren Winsper)
Re: Screen Resolution.... (Anita Lewis)
Re: REQ: The fastest Window Manager for a slow Laptop? (Ilya)
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From: Ilya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,de.comp.os.unix.linux.newusers,de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc
Subject: Re: REQ: The fastest Window Manager for a slow Laptop?
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:47:42 GMT
Amazing thread.
I used to have mwm, twm and fvwm on a DECstation 5000/20 with 8 MB of RAM, 300
MB hard drive and they run just fine. I got it in late '92 and it broke down
early this year, since it ran fine all that time, I had no real reason to
upgrade. fvwm kicks @ss and once you get used to it, it is very good. All
that talk about 19264 MB needed to run Gnome, KDE, etc....
When my DEC broke down, I thought long and hard what to upgrade to - HP-UX B
class, Sun Ultra machine or Linux. I choose Linux. But of course. It is great
in terms of bang per buck and much more. I upgraded to a dual processor
machine with every bell and whistle and I *still* run fvwm and it still kicks
@ss.
I miss my DEC though. I suppose it is one of those stupid attachments people
have to their "firsts" - cars, girlfriends, computers, no matter how bad they
are (and they are usually pretty bad). Maybe some day I will get another DEC
with that cool monochrome monitor.
The *worst* window manager I used was CDE that comes as default on HP-UX and
Sun machines. CDE makes me want to say bad words.
Ilya
In comp.os.linux.misc Lew Pitcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>David,
>>
>>You might want to look into more ram. Linux needs at least 32mb to run
>>at a reasonable speed - 64mb would make a big difference.
> There are trade-offs here...
> - Linux is small (8 Mb should be more than enough for a non-X system)
> - X is big (I've heard recommendations for a minimum of 16Mb for X usage under
> Linux)
> - Some Window Managers are big (KDE/Enlightnment/Gnome/etc. require more Mb for
> their features). The fewer features, the smaller the footprint
> - Swap space also counts to performance
> - As does CPU type and speed
> Your decision: either spend money to upgrade your ram, or
> spend money to upgrade your hard disk (add swapspace), or
> spend money to upgrade your CPU, or
> acquire a smaller, lighter X Window Manager for free
> I guess it depends on what features you'd miss from the heavyweight WMs vs how
> much money you have to spend. I can't advise on hardware upgrades, but I can
> tell you that there are several light-weight (low feature) X window managers
> available: take a look at wmx or ude (available through freshmeat and
> linuxberg). I use wmx on my 486/80 (16Mb memory), and wmx and ude and fvwm95 on
> my 6x86/133 (64Mb memory).
>>
>>David Rabanus wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I wonder which window manager might be the fastest on a Compaq Laptop
>>> (Presario 1215, 24MB RAM, 180 MHz). I have installed RedHat 6.0 (Kernel
>>> 2.2.5-15smp) and it automatically installed the window manager
>>> "enlightenment" and "gnome" (although I don't understand what tasks each of
>>> those exactly fulfill). Anyway: I turns out that this system is VERY slow.
>>> Even slower than Windows 95. But that - of course - wasn't the reason to
>>> switch over to linux. When I try to change the window manager in the "GNOME
>>> Control Center" it doesn't seem to remember that when I "startx" the next
>>> time. But it doesn't offer me the option to save that new configuration.
>>>
>>> Now: Probably that also depends on the distribution I have.
>>> What is the recommendation for the slimmest/fastest linux
>>> version/distribution/window manager that should be used?
>>> Which window manager does NOT use a thousand bitmaps to display its window
>>> corners and radio buttons and so on?
>>>
>>> In my experience the trend goes to still fancier desktops with a thousand
>>> different gimmicks and gizmos constantly sucking memory and cpu time and
>>> that sucks (literally :-). I just want to know how to SWITCH them off. I
>>> hope that this doesn't impair the good reputation of linux being an
>>> efficient system.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance - Dave.
> Lew Pitcher
> System Consultant
> Toronto Dominion Bank Financial Group
> (Opinions expressed are my own, not my employers')
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From: Ilya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux + RAM >64M
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:41:13 GMT
Philip Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:33:07 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>....
>>You can ignore any question which you don't want to answer. Don't stop
>>anyone to post their question into the newgroup.
> don't encourage ignorance.
> FAQs and message archives exist for two purposes:
> 1. to provide a FAST answer to questions
> 2. to reduce redundant traffic on a newsgroup
> #1 benefits the would-be poster
> #2 benefits every other reader of this newsgroup
It is a fallacy that just because a question is in the FAQ, it should not be
asked on a NG. Sometimes a user has a unique problem that is not covered by
the FAQ. It is nice to have a more real discussion than to read dry and boring
FAQs.
Yes, I know. A lot of the questions here are alread in the FAQ, and so what?
Not everyone read the FAQ. Not everyone should. FAQ is just one medium, there
are others.
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From: Jim McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mail-Virus-Scanning
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:01:31 GMT
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Alois Deininger wrote:
> Hi
>
> I use Linux as a mail relay hub for different other operating systems !
>
> It works wonderful, but now we have the problem, that many
> MS-Office-Viruses,
> and others, go over this relay.
>
> So i want to scan all mails, whether they includes viruses !
>
> Does anyone know a software for this ?
>
> Thanks
> Alois
Hi Alois
Check out Linuxberg , go to the software / console section, then look
under anti-virus. There are five pretty good products listed there.
Regards
Jim McIntyre
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Alois Deininger wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Hi
<p>I use Linux as a mail relay hub for different other operating systems
!
<p>It works wonderful, but now we have the problem, that many
<br>MS-Office-Viruses,
<br>and others, go over this relay.
<p>So i want to scan all mails, whether they includes viruses !
<p>Does anyone know a software for this ?
<p>Thanks
<br>Alois</blockquote>
<p>Hi Alois
<p>Check out <a href="Http://www.linuxberg.com">Linuxberg</a> , go
to the software / console section, then look under anti-virus. There
are five pretty good products listed there.
<br>Regards
<p>Jim McIntyre
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From: "Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Splicing files together
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:16:57 -0400
I just wrote a simple little tcl/tk script on my MS-Windows box that
will take a large file and split it into floppy-disk size chunks to make
it easier to transfer to another machine. The script basically just
does a byte-by-byte copy from input file to each output "chunk"... and
then creates a DOS batch file that "glues" them back together on the
other machine without it having to have the tcl/tk script installed.
I did this by using a seldom-used feature in COMMAND.COM's internal
"copy" command... where if you use a "+" sign in between multiple input
files, it will splice them together to form the output file. For
example... if the script creates chunks titled "chunk.1" and "chunk.2",
the batch file created might consist of:
copy chunk.1+chunk.2 original_file
I was wanting to make a Linux "port" of the same script... but have
run into the problem of not knowing any internal unix commands I can use
as an equivalent to DOS-copy's functionality. I've looked through the
man pages for "cp"... but it doesn't seem to have the same feature.
Does anyone know of any standard unix built-in command I can
reference in the re-joining script... that can take my "chunk" files and
simply splice them back together into the original file's form without
them having to have the same tcl/tk script on their system?
Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anita Lewis)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.2.5-15 ppa module (Zip Disk) data corruption?
Date: 16 Sep 1999 18:02:01 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 16 Sep 1999 00:05:13 PDT, Taura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm having files apparently being corrupted when being coppied to any
>zip 100
>disk.
>
>Below is a log that should articulate the problem:
>
>[root@localhost /tmp]# ls -al nebula
>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3686418 Sep 15 23:50 nebula
>[root@localhost /tmp]# gzip nebula
>[root@localhost /tmp]# ls -al nebula.gz
>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 389531 Sep 15 23:50 nebula.gz
>[root@localhost /tmp]# gunzip nebula.gz
>[root@localhost /tmp]# ls -al nebula
>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3686418 Sep 15 23:50 nebula
>[root@localhost /tmp]# gzip nebula
>[root@localhost /tmp]# ls -al nebula
>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3686418 Sep 15 23:50 nebula
>[root@localhost /tmp]# gzip nebula
>[root@localhost /tmp]# ls -al nebula.gz
>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 389531 Sep 15 23:50 nebula.gz
>
>[root@localhost /tmp]# modprobe ppa
>[root@localhost /tmp]# mount -t msdos /dev/sda4 /zip
>
>[root@localhost /tmp]# mv nebula.gz /zip
>nebula.gz -> /zip/nebula.gz
>removing nebula.gz
>[root@localhost /tmp]# ls -al /zip/nebula.gz
>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 389531 Sep 15 23:50 /zip/nebula.gz
>
>root@localhost /tmp]# umount /zip
>[root@localhost /tmp]# mount -t msdos /dev/sda4 /zip
>
>[root@localhost /tmp]# ls -al /zip/nebula.gz
>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 389531 Sep 15 23:50 /zip/nebula.gz
>[root@localhost /tmp]# mv /zip/nebula.gz .
>/zip/nebula.gz -> ./nebula.gz
>removing /zip/nebula.gz
>[root@localhost /tmp]# ls -al nebula.gz
>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 389531 Sep 15 23:50 nebula.gz
>[root@localhost /tmp]# gunzip nebula.gz
>
>gunzip: nebula.gz: invalid compressed data--format violated
>
>
>I've tried 10 different files and each one produced the same problem.
>I compiled my kernel with ppa (zip disk) support and even specified the
>(slow and safe) methoid. What should I do?
>
Zip drives store in either DOS or FAT format. That means only one dot per
file name. What you probably had was nebula.tar.gz to start with. When
you stored it on zip it became just nebula.gz. Just move it back to a
Linux formatted area on your computer changing the name back to
nebula.tar.gz. mv /mnt/zip/nebula.gz /home/myname/nebula.tar.gz
I think that will do it. I had that happen to me using a download into
windows. I had such trouble trying to use that little gzipped file after
that, but changing the name back fixed it for me. I hope it will for you
too.
Anita
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From: Adrian Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: X: monitor resolution settings
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:58:04 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ilya wrote:
(snip)
> > Try CTRL ALT <keypad +> and <keypad ->
> > They're used to switch resolutions...
>
> That does not work in Rehat 6.0 (Gnome).
Works on mine.
If it doesn't work on yours check your X server startup messages, it
probably rejected all but one mode.
Also, make sure you do NOT have "DontZoom" in your XF86Config.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phillip Deackes)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Fetchmail - recipient address *** didn@t match any local name???
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:06:44 GMT
I recently changed Internet Provider. I use a GMX free email account
which bounces all my mail to my true email address (similar to
the way Bigfoot works). Since changing IP I get an error message from
Fetchmail at the end of the headers of each incoming message. MY IP uses
POP3, my mail is downloaded by Fetchmail (v 5.0.5-1) and processed by
exim.
An couple of examples of the error message:
At the end of messages from the Debian-user list:
X-Fetchmail-Warning: no recipient addresses matched declared local names
At the end of messages from the Applix list:
X-Fetchmail-Warning: recipient address [EMAIL PROTECTED] didn't
match any local name
Personal mail:
X-Fetchmail-Warning: recipient address [EMAIL PROTECTED] didn't match any
local name
Status: RO
Any idea why this is happening? It has never happened before with
umpteen IPs, just this one.
Here are all the headers for that last message:
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1])
by scgf.gmx.net with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1 (Debian))
for gsmh@localhost
id 11Qul9-0000DO-00; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:44:43 +0100
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: from mail.force9.net
by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.0.5)
for gsmh@localhost (multi-drop); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:44:43 +0100
(BST)
Received: (qmail 3726 invoked from network); 14 Sep 1999 15:36:30 -0000
Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net)
(195.166.128.27)
by murphys.force9.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 1999 15:36:30 -0000
Received: (qmail 5337 invoked from network); 14 Sep 1999 15:35:49 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO mx4.gmx.net) (194.221.183.84)
by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 14 Sep 1999 15:35:49 -0000
Received: (qmail 7248 invoked by alias); 14 Sep 1999 15:31:52 -0000
Delivered-To: GMX delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: (qmail 7199 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 1999 15:31:50 -0000
Received: from camelot.netcom.net.uk (194.42.225.1)
by mx4.gmx.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 1999 15:31:50 -0000
Received: from xpnwjjkf (dialup-15-18.netcomuk.co.uk [194.42.231.210])
by camelot.netcom.net.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA13856
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:31:46 +0100 (BST)
Message-ID: <002f01befec5$dc1aaa20$d2e72ac2@xpnwjjkf>
Reply-To: "Pamela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Pamela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Phillip Deackes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fw: re MS Office
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:20:48 +0100
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01BEFECD.1AEDDEA0"
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
X-Resent-By: Global Message Exchange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Resent-For: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Resent-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Fetchmail-Warning: recipient address [EMAIL PROTECTED] didn't match any
local name
Status: RO
BTW, my 'real' email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED], the hostname of
this system is scgf, and my username on this system is gsmh.
Thanks very much for any pointers.
--
Phillip Deackes
Debian Linux (Potato)
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From: "Eric Dawson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Newbie Question: MS IE4.0 for UNIX.
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:25:35 -0500
I see that Microsoft has Internet Explorer 4.0 for UNIX available. I use IE
on my WIN98 system and would like to use it on my Linux system. I've always
heard that UNIX and Linux are compatible. Does this mean that I can use
UNIX programs on it?
No Microsoft flames please. ;-)
TIA,
--
Eric Dawson
SX in HUF (Terre Haute, IN ATCT)
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From: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,de.comp.os.unix.linux.newusers,de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc
Subject: Re: REQ: The fastest Window Manager for a slow Laptop?
Date: 16 Sep 1999 14:32:55 PDT
Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> LOL. I think, you are kidding. KDE ist the last thing I would install on
> a system with less than 64meg RAM. The most of Qt-stuff and KDE seem to
> need more and more memory in the newer versions.
It runs fine on my machine, with 48MB.
Matt O.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: I WANT TO DITCH WINDOZE BUT I CANT!!!
Date: 16 Sep 1999 17:02:00 GMT
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:56:56 -0300, Nicolas De Rico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Windows is like heroine. You have to flush it out of your system.
Now there's a tag-line if I ever saw one...
> You
> do that by formating your hard drive and installing Linux.
Does that make Linux a cold turkey? I don't like this analogy any
more :)
> Keep your
> system Windows-free for 2 months and then you'll feel much better. If
> you think that you can't live without win-application A or B, then it's
> just the addiction talking.
Yeah, I have an addiction, an addiction to my games. Until I can run
them under Linux, I have no choice but to use Windows for them. The
constant reboots are getting annoying though. Oh well, the Linux
games situation is changing already, so I'll be happy by the end of
next year hopefully.
Which reminds me, is there a Tribes client for Linux? I'm feeling too
lazy to look right now.
> The Win-Purge may hurt you at first, but
> not for long.
I can just picture myself huddled in a corner muttering "games, I must
have my games, GIVE ME BACK MY GAMES." Hmm...
--
Darren Winsper - http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/darren.winsper
Stellar Legacy project member - http://www.stellarlegacy.tsx.org
"The only thing stopping GDI from plastering Kane to the floor and
making him scream 'I am Solomon's bitch' is that Orca Bombers are a
bit on the expensive side" - Zagadka in alt.games.tiberian-sun
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anita Lewis)
Subject: Re: Screen Resolution....
Date: 16 Sep 1999 19:54:33 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you like you can send me a copy of that startxlog.
(**) SVGA: Mode "640x480": mode clock = 31.500 This is an example of
one that was left after a bunch were deleted. I see what you mean though,
in that those that get deleted don't tell you what the clock is. Like
here we have two with the same name
(--) SVGA: Mode "640x480" needs hsync freq of 53.01 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "640x480" needs vert refresh rate of 85.01 Hz. Deleted.
But telling which ones are accepted is easy, because there is only one
Modeline named 640x480 that has a clock of 31.5. When I was fooling
around with mine, I renamed them. I had "800x600a" and "800x600b" Then I
put those for resolutions in my Screen Section too, complete with the a
and b. That way I could see easily which one got tossed or when both did,
what the reason was for each.
On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:59:46 GMT, Ilya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Anita
Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> For sure backup your
XF86Config file. I'm assuming that you have >> several good modelines in
there. You can check to make sure by doing >> startx -verbose &>
startxlog. Look at startxlog and see what modelines >> did not get axed.
Those are the good ones. > >> Then you can go under the hood and edit
XF86Config (after backing it up) >> and go way down to the screen section
and where you see the part that >> lists the resolutions - like
"1280x1024" "800x600" "600x480" well, >> switch them around so that the
one you want is first on the list. I >> would also check the Virtual
below that. If you like virtual then you >> might want to make it a bit
bigger than your chosen. Or comment it out >> or whatever.
> >What's not
clear to me is which resolution listed is being used.
> >> Then you go
into X and see what you have. At that point, or at the >> beginning
before you do any of this above, try Ctrl-Alt-+. That should >> toggle
you through the resolutions you have. > >And it doesn't on my machine. It
changes nothing. > > >
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(--) SVGA: Mode "640x480" needs hsync freq of 53.01 kHz. Deleted.
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From: Ilya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,de.comp.os.unix.linux.newusers,de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc
Subject: Re: REQ: The fastest Window Manager for a slow Laptop?
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:36:26 GMT
I used fvwm for 6 years with success. It is small, fast, easy to configure,
and even if they come out with better, more sophisticated managers, I still
use fvwm.
All you have to do is put fvwm in your .xsession file.
But I don't think your window manager is your problem.
In comp.os.linux.misc David Rabanus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi folks,
> I wonder which window manager might be the fastest on a Compaq Laptop
> (Presario 1215, 24MB RAM, 180 MHz). I have installed RedHat 6.0 (Kernel
> 2.2.5-15smp) and it automatically installed the window manager
> "enlightenment" and "gnome" (although I don't understand what tasks each of
> those exactly fulfill). Anyway: I turns out that this system is VERY slow.
> Even slower than Windows 95. But that - of course - wasn't the reason to
> switch over to linux. When I try to change the window manager in the "GNOME
> Control Center" it doesn't seem to remember that when I "startx" the next
> time. But it doesn't offer me the option to save that new configuration.
> Now: Probably that also depends on the distribution I have.
> What is the recommendation for the slimmest/fastest linux
> version/distribution/window manager that should be used?
> Which window manager does NOT use a thousand bitmaps to display its window
> corners and radio buttons and so on?
> In my experience the trend goes to still fancier desktops with a thousand
> different gimmicks and gizmos constantly sucking memory and cpu time and
> that sucks (literally :-). I just want to know how to SWITCH them off. I
> hope that this doesn't impair the good reputation of linux being an
> efficient system.
> Thanks in advance - Dave.
===========================================================================
www.e-gold.com
E-gold: Unlike unredeemable Federal Reserve Tokens, e-gold is money that is
100% backed by a metal of your choice: gold, silver, platinum or palladium.
===========================================================================
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