Linux-Misc Digest #838, Volume #20 Mon, 28 Jun 99 23:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: efax and lpr (Rob Clark)
In deep trouble !! (Chhabra)
Re: Linux loses in NT tests (Johan Kullstam)
efax and lpr (Curt Corum)
FWD: Client server is dead, says Oracle chief...OS unimportant... (Alex Lam)
Re: internet connection with Linux (Brutus)
Re: glint on redhat 6.0 (N1ho)
Re: Documentation issues. (Christopher Browne)
Can't keep time set... (Ken J Braatz)
Question (Duane Smith)
Re: Suse 6.0 or Redhat 6.0 (Michel Catudal)
Re: Problem with timezone and netscape (Michel Catudal)
Automated benchmarking? (was: Re: Opportunity for FreeBSD) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: efax and lpr
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Clark)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 02:05:32 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Curt Corum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am having troubles getting efax going with lpr.
>
>'fax test' talks to the modem (I 'm using internal USR on ttyS2 with
>group 1 configuration)
>'fax send' starts up the modem, dials and sends ok
>I set up the spool directory with RedHat print tool to /dev/null
>/var/spool/fax /usr/bin/faxlpr
>I set a symbolic link from /usr/bin/faxlpr to /usr/bin/fax
>I believe I have set up the spool directory with proper permissions
>/var/spool/fax 777
>when I try to print a fax 'lpr -Pfax -J<phone number> <file>' I don't
>get any modem activity, and nothing shows when I do 'lpq'
>'lpc' recognizes the fax queue (it reports status, can enable disable)
>'lpr' works fine with my default DeskJet500 on lp0
>
>Any ideas?
There is a log file that is created in /var/spool/fax for each job
received by lpd. Set your debugging really high in the fax script and
watch the log file with 'tail -f'.
Also, using /dev/null might create problems. If you create a bogus device
such as "/dev/efax" by 'touch /dev/efax', you can use that instead. (The
locking that occurs may cause problems when /dev/null is used).
Rob Clark, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html
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From: Chhabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: In deep trouble !!
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:22:55 +0400
Hi !
I upgraded to RH6.0 just now . When I try to start up kppp from non-root logins
in the KDE environment, I get an error message :
pppd is not properly installed !
The pppd binary must be installed with the SUID bit set. Contact your
system administrator.
I can't even open the modem from non root logins !! (something I could do
earlier).
Some permissions problem ? How do I fix it ?
I installed the Publisher's version of RH6.0(Hedwig) from the CHIP magazine.
More problems:
1) The main reason for which I upgraded to RH6.0 was for its support
for PnP soundcards. I have an ALS100. The settings for my ALS100 card under
Win95 were :
Wave Audio device I/O 0220-022F H
IRQ 05
DMA1 01
DMA2 03
Internal Midi device
I/O 0388-038F H
Joystick device
I/O 0200-0207 H
External Midi (MPU 401)
I/O 02B0-02B1 H
IRQ 11
The IRQ 11 is not listed for the MPU thing in sndconfig.
2) Much more serious :
I tried to install Star Office 5.0 (30 day version) that came with the
CHIP magazine but it needs some glibc2 library. I tried to follow the
instructions for copying this library but ran into a problem while
removing / overwriting ld-linux.so.2 in /lib. First time, I deleted the copy of
this and ls, cp, etc. stopped responding. I restored things using the upgrade
option of the RH 6.0 install and choosing glib10 that come with it.
Then I tried to overwrite these files by force. Some got overwritten..
This time the system hung and I had to give it the three fingered salute. Even
that did not work (!!). I simply switched it off. After rebooting, I tried to
run netscape and it exited with "Bus Error". What is going on ?
I fixed the netscape problem by reinstalling glibc.
How do I install Staroffice ?
This is unnerving.
Write soon,
bye,
Madhusudan Singh.
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Subject: Re: Linux loses in NT tests
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 28 Jun 1999 21:56:38 -0400
Silviu Minut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> So if you never got to install RH, how can you say it's all junk?
> Maybe it is, but from what you're saying I don't see enough
> justification.
on the other hand, the *primary purpose* of a distribution is to get
(at least a critical mass of) a working linux on your system.
everything else is just icing on the cake. hence, if the install
doesn't work, then the distribution fails.
just so you know i have no axe to grind against redhat, i have been
using redhat since 3.0.3 and am running 6.0 now. i have personally
had good luck with it and my two machines. ymmv.
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J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: Curt Corum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: efax and lpr
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:57:17 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am having troubles getting efax going with lpr.
'fax test' talks to the modem (I 'm using internal USR on ttyS2 with
group 1 configuration)
'fax send' starts up the modem, dials and sends ok
I set up the spool directory with RedHat print tool to /dev/null
/var/spool/fax /usr/bin/faxlpr
I set a symbolic link from /usr/bin/faxlpr to /usr/bin/fax
I believe I have set up the spool directory with proper permissions
/var/spool/fax 777
when I try to print a fax 'lpr -Pfax -J<phone number> <file>' I don't
get any modem activity, and nothing shows when I do 'lpq'
'lpc' recognizes the fax queue (it reports status, can enable disable)
'lpr' works fine with my default DeskJet500 on lp0
Any ideas?
-Curt
Please respond via e-mail as well.
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From: Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: FWD: Client server is dead, says Oracle chief...OS unimportant...
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:24:55 -0700
==========FWD=============
Posted 28/06/99 12:08pm by Lucy Sherriff
Client server is dead, says Oracle chief
It's official -- client-server is dead and the future is in the Net.
Says who? Why Larry Ellison, that's who.
"Client Servers were a tremendous mistake. And we are sorry that we
sold it to you," the Oracle CEO said to a captive London audience last
week.
Instead of applications running on the desktop and data sitting on the
server,
everything will be Internet based. The only things running on the
desktop will be a browser and a word processor.
What people want, he said, is simple, inexpensive hardware that
functions as a
window on to the Net. The PC was ludicrously complex with stacks of
manuals,
helplines and IT support needed to make it function. Client server was
supposed to
alleviate this problem, but it was a step in the wrong direction.
"We are paying through the nose to be ignorant," commented Ellison.
He said that it is stupidly inefficient to have data so scattered that
it takes days to answer a question as simple as 'How many people do I
have working for me?'
Using the Internet to run everything on provides the best of both
world from the PC and the mainframe. Unlike old mainframes, it is easy
to program for the Internet, access is fast and the user interface is
excellent, Ellison said.
Not surprisingly then, Ellison foresees a dark time ahead for
Microsoft. The Internet Will make the choice operating system
unimportant, he said. The so-called browser
war is also bogus: "Anyone can write a browser, and people will.
That's not going to matter." �
SOURCE: http://theregister.co.uk/990628-000006.html
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From: Brutus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: internet connection with Linux
Date: 29 Jun 1999 01:30:56 GMT
James R. Barnett, Jr. wrote:
> Did you set up DNS Servers in the kppp setup? Or you can edit
> /etc/resolv.conf directly.
>
> JamesB
>
>
> > ------------------ Posted via SearchLinux ------------------
> > http://www.searchlinux.com
I used the kppp setup. The connection is made, I can see the current
connection rate, I just can't get any programs to use it.
================== Posted via SearchLinux ==================
http://www.searchlinux.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (N1ho)
Subject: Re: glint on redhat 6.0
Date: 29 Jun 1999 02:03:18 GMT
Dr. J. Archer Harris asked:
>> So, I loaded Glint from my RedHat 4.1
>> CDs onto my RedHat 6.0 system. But
>> it will not run, complaining it cannot
>> import "rpm". Anyone got any ideas
>> as to how to correct the problem?
I'm afraid you're probably out of luck,
because the RPM format changed in
RH 5.0 and again in RH 6.0. The glint
program you're trying to run does not
have a clue about interpreting an RPM
database created by RH 6.0. (FWIW,
I agree that glint's demise is deplorable).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.xml
Subject: Re: Documentation issues.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:45:35 GMT
On 28 Jun 1999 16:40:24 GMT, Peter da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Aaron M. Renn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On 28 Jun 1999 16:02:58 GMT, Peter da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>It might have been a parser hack. I don't care. As I said, I *prefer* explicit
>>>markup. I'm sorry you don't, but I think making a personal preference like
>>>that the basis of an argument against SGML is a little unreasonable.
>
>>SGML is inefficient from a composition standpoint. Personal preference
>>has nothing to do with it.
>
>Inefficient compared to what? Other markup languages? I think you'll find that
>personal preference. Having to type :g/^$/s/$/<para>/ after you've been typing
>freeform text a while is hardly a big deal.
The problem that I see with SGML (that is equally true for XML) is that
it introduces two additional languages (e.g. - the DTD and the
application-specific markup language) without diminishing the need to
understand at least two others, namely:
a) Whatever is being used to interpret the parsed document, and render
it into...
b) The output format.
With Jade, this involves:
a) The DTD,
b) The language described by the DTD,
c) DSSSL,
d) {HTML|TeX|nroff|Postscript|...}
With a parser other than Jade, DSSSL might get replaced by XSL, C, Perl,
or Python, just to name a *few* of the possibilities.
In any case, the four "levels" of document-eating require four *very*
independent sets of syntax that all need to be understood in order to do
troubleshooting.
This perhaps shouldn't "bite" the user, but that's only if there are no
challenges to solve.
For instance, supposing you need to change the page size, is this
handled in:
a) The document?
b) The DTD?
c) The rendering language? or
d) The destination format?
Potentially, this can influence *all* of the levels. Adding control of
page size (e.g. - US Letter versus European A4) may require rework at
*ALL* of these levels, meaning that you need to be literate in four
different kinds of language syntax, as
(and (eq? (syntax 'document-markup) (syntax 'dtd-markup))
(eq? (syntax 'dtd-markup) (syntax 'rendering-language)
(eq? (syntax 'rendering-language) (syntax 'output-language)))
is false.
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has himself solved a very difficult cipher" (The Codebreakers by Kahn,
2nd ed, pg 765)
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From: Ken J Braatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can't keep time set...
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:22:07 -0400
I'm having a strange problem with keeping my clock set when in X. Here's
what I've been able to ascertain so far:
1) CMOS is correct.
2) The clock is always 4 hours slow.
3) If is run /sbin/clock, the correct time is reported.
4) If I run /sbin/clock -s as root, the time is set.
5) It doesn't matter what window manager or what clock applet I use.
6) Rebooting does not correct the problem.
7) After setting the time, it is off again within an hour.
I'm leaning towards a time zone config problem, but I've got that setup
correctly as far as I know.
I'm running Mandrake 6 (2.2.9-27)
I'm in the US Eastern time zone
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
--
Ken Braatz
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Duane Smith)
Subject: Question
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:16:03 GMT
Does anyone know where to find the configuration file(s) for the Start
menu in the default window manager for RedHat Linux
I just installed XFCE and I want to add things like the Network
Configurator to my menu but I can't find them.
Are there config files for the menu that point to the binaries?
Thanks, Bill J.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Suse 6.0 or Redhat 6.0
Date: 28 Jun 1999 21:41:07 -0500
"Y.H." wrote:
>
> I'm planning to try out Linux lately and I'm looking for one that's easy to
> setup. Can anyone comment on the above mentioned version of Linuxs' setup?
>
> Reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Thanx!
RedHat is almost foolproof
SuSE, you need to watch out for a few moronic comments
1-You seem to be using a logical partition
Do you want to put lilo on the extended partition
2-Do you wish to make the you want to put the partition
active (logical)
whoever wrote that must have been drunk. Saying yes to any
of those will create problems.
Aside from that, SuSE takes quite a while to setup, selection
of numerous packages takes a long time and install is about 30 minutes
or so. Install of RedHat is about 15-20 minutes.
SuSE wins by a large margin as for stability and ease of use.
The structure of the scripts of SuSE is far superior and
they have a lot of nice apps plus a good intelligent dialer.
--
use OS/2 for a crash proof work environment
use Linux for safe and quick internet access
use Winblows to test the latest viruses
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We have software, food, music, news, search,
history, electronics and genealogy pages.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Problem with timezone and netscape
Date: 28 Jun 1999 21:24:03 -0500
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> My problem with the time is like this...
> I live in South Africa (timezone Africa/Johannesburg), which is
> GMT+0200, but my system goes crazy with the time.
>
> I do a 'hwclock' command and a 'date' command and they both give me the
> same
> time, which is correct.
>
> Now if I received mail at 10:00, Netscape shows that the mail was sent
> at 08:00. It subtracts 2 hours from all the times shown.
> It looks like the Linux thinks my mail is at GMT time or something.
>
> Any idea how i can fix this?
>
> --
> Regards,
> - Graeme -
I had a similar problem on my RedHat installation and I put
in profile :
TZ=EST
export TZ
I live in Michigan which is in the eastern time zone. You need
to add the proper code for your time zone.
I don't have that bug with SuSE
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use Linux for safe and quick internet access
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Automated benchmarking? (was: Re: Opportunity for FreeBSD)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 02:26:03 GMT
Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>snip<
: But yes, I suggest we do some sort of benchmark of FreeBSD against other
: OSes to see where we stack up. Ignorance is a dangerous thing.
Agreed.
Along these lines I've been thinking that an ongoing, automated
benchmark test might be interesting. Here's how I think it might be
able to work:
Take test box foo. Install the latest of everything on it (*BSD
(stable and current), Linux (stable and beta), Solaris x86, NT,
Win2k). Create a custom bootloader that cycles through OSes on each
reboot. Create an automatic update system invoked on boot (or
shutdown?) to upgrade the system and its software (Samba, Apache,
benchmark software, et al). -*BSD (and Linux?) would simply be cvsup
&& make world && build kernel.
Create benchmark load test boxes bar, baz, and boo. Run NT on one,
98 on another, FreeBSD on another, etc.
Run automated benchmarks say, once a week and post the results to a
web page with a graph showing how the systems have progressed (or
regressed) over time and with respect to each other. Only benchmark
systems which allow freely distributed source would be allowed, for
obvious reasons.
Durring the week the box would run in "inspection mode", such that
the entire box would be available to inspect via anon FTP (read only
of course:-). -Do to MS/Solaris licenses, some parts might only be
inspectable by MD5 checksum I guess, but maybe full access could be
granted to those that could somehow prove they have a license for NT
and/or Solaris, such as though from MS/Sun?
The general idea would be to try and create a single, stable,
undisputable benchmarking server. If anyone has a problem with how
XYZ isn't tuned correctly, it can be fixed. If anyone has a problem
with how benchmark software XYZ is biased to YZQ OS or doesn't
measure "real world" loads well, they can submit another (open
source) benchmark to be run in the normal que.
I have no idea where such a server would be best hosted. Certainly
not PC Labs and just as likely not UC Berkeley either for the same
reasons. Maybe some small tropical island like Jamaica were
I...err...I mean whoever is the sysadmin can maintain it properly
and in an unbiased fashion. :-)
In short, no one gets to cheat, no one gets to lie, and the "winner"
(for the week at least:-) gets honest bragging rights for the Indy
500 of benchmarks. :-)
Thoughts?
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Pizza......for the body.
Sushi......for the soul.
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