Linux-Misc Digest #962, Volume #19 Tue, 27 Apr 99 09:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Kenneth P. Turvey)
Re: Telnet Login as ROOT (Peter Caffin)
Re: *.doc viewer (Peter Caffin)
Re: no prompt after pon (Peter Caffin)
Re: Linux command: bg and fg (Peter Caffin)
Re: Email Server recommandation (Peter Caffin)
Re: GNU/Hurd ("D. Vrabel")
Ghostscript mailing list (**Nick Brown)
Re: Can default telnet message be modified? (Glen Turner)
Is there a JVM for non-Intel based Linux boxes? (Thomas Adams)
Re: Cdrdao problems (Arcady Genkin)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (brian moore)
Re: Kernel 2.2.6 (MrLoke)
Re: Oracle8i for Linux: Anyone recieved their CD yet? (jmsalvo)
impish Gnome (Ort Man)
Re: PLIP install doesn't install (Karel Jansens)
Re: How do I connect to Internet with Linux? (Ed Hurst)
Re: Kernel 2.2.6 ERROR (Sasa Ostrouska)
Help! Deleted accidentally windows files from linux ("Henricus J. Holtman")
Re: word processing, what to use? (David Steuber)
Re: Red Hat Issue (David Steuber)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (David Steuber)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth P. Turvey)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 04:35:33 -0500
[Followup's trimmed. This thread shouldn't really be on
gnu.misc.discuss]
On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:11:36 -0400,
Paul D. DeRocco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>And even if you disagree with the cost estimates in that particular
>examples, it should be obvious to everyone that environmentalists squeal
>like stuck pigs whenever anyone suggests that there should even _be_
>const-benefit analyses. They always try to make a "moral" issue of
>everything so that they can trump the evidence that their programs are
>not cost-effective.
To be fair, it isn't really possible to perform a good cost-benefit
analysis of many environmental programs despite what some politicians
would have you believe.
It is also worth noting that we never perform any cost-benefit analysis
of just continuing down the road we are on. It is difficult to define
how much 10 tons of CO2 in the atmosphere costs us.. but we can agree
that there is a cost.
--
Kenneth P. Turvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Providence protects children and idiots. I know because I have tested
it.
-- Mark Twain
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From: Peter Caffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Telnet Login as ROOT
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:08:13 +0800
Rod Roark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Brian Schell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm looking at moving our server off-site, and need to be able to telnet
>>in as root. I realize you can't do this as root, so I tried to give a user
>>account root permissions. I'm not having much luck here... Any specific
>>suggestions?
> Telnet in as your normal self and then type "su -".
Why not have the best of both worlds and use an expect script in your
user account's .profile (or .bash_profile) which does an `su -` and
automatically issues your username and password and drops you to a root
prompt?
`man expect` for more info.
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From: Peter Caffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: *.doc viewer
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:45:11 +0800
The Dude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi I have many *.doc files on my machine (ms - word documents). How do I
> view them form my linux os? is there an application designed form that? --
There are a few apps which do this:
- Star Office 5.0: http://www.stardivision.com/
- Word Perfect 8: ftp://ftp.it.net.au/pub/linux/wp8/
There are a couple of smaller utilities that will also help:
- MSWordView (converts Word 8 to HTML):
http://www.csn.ul.ie/~caolan/docs/MSWordView.html. The MSWordView page
has links to some other utilities for other versions of MS Word.
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From: Peter Caffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: no prompt after pon
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:09:38 +0800
Jeremy C. Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I made my computer answer the phone with mgetty and it works great. But now
> when I type pon to dial up I don't get my next prompt. It dials perfectly but
> it just sits there.
Yup, you won't be able to dial out of the line while mgetty still has control
of it. BTW, you might also find de.alt.comm.mgetty useful.
> Any ideas to what I have to change so pon works like it did before? (I don't
> want to disable the dialup answering.)
Create a script to dial which:
(1) Removes or comments out the /etc/inittab line:
T1:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS1 9600 vt100
(2) Calls `init q ; telinit q`
(3) Calls `pon ; plog -f`
Create a script to reset your mgetty which:
(1) Calls `poff`
(2) Reenables your /etc/inittab setting:
T1:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS1 9600 vt100
(3) Calls `init q ; telinit q`
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From: Peter Caffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Linux command: bg and fg
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:26:41 +0800
Jimmy Navarro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I use Linux Red Hat 5.2. I'm wondering if after launching X Window by
> "startx" and do Ctl+Alt+F1 afterwards to login with text_based workspace
> but decided to go back to X Window later. Is it possible to foreground
> X Window process or putting current session to background?
You've got two options:
(1) Alt-F7.
(2) `vt 7` (presuming you've got vt installed).
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From: Peter Caffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Email Server recommandation
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:50:16 +0800
Bear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just looking for some recommandation of email server. I know there a
> lot of email server out there, some are free and some costs very
> expensive. Could anyone give me some recommandation?
Go for a combination of Sendmail, Fetchmail and Cucipop. Works for me.
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GNU/Hurd
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:28:07 +0100
On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Filargiropoulos Stavros wrote:
> Anyone knows if the development GNU/Hurd is frozen or is still
> continued?
Debian is going to release a GNU/Hurd distribution some time...
http://www.debian.org/
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: **Nick Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Ghostscript mailing list
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:51:19 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is there a GS mailing list ? I'm having problems modifying an existing
GS driver for a similar, compatible, but not-quite-identical printer.
--
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Nick Brown, Strasbourg, France (Nick(dot)Brown(at)coe(dot)fr)
Protect yourself against Word 95/97 viruses, free - check out
http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/Vineyard/1446/atlas-t.html
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:18:49 +0930
From: Glen Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can default telnet message be modified?
William wrote:
>
> When we telnet to Linux, the following screen shows:
>
> +--------------------------------------------------------+
> Red Hat Linux release 5.2 (Apollo)
> Kernel 2.0.36 on an i586
> +--------------------------------------------------------+
>
> Did anyone know how can I replace that message to my favor one or
> disable that message?
Surely this is in an FAQ by now.
Modify /etc/rc.d/init.d/rc.local not to overwrite /etc/issue
and /etc/issue.net.
Insert your own text into /etc/issue.net.
Done.
I have reported the writing of such specific machine information
to RedHat as a bug.
--
Glen Turner Network Specialist
Tel: (08) 8303 3936 Information Technology Services
Fax: (08) 8303 4400 The University of Adelaide 5005
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] South Australia
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Adams)
Subject: Is there a JVM for non-Intel based Linux boxes?
Date: 27 Apr 1999 10:43:36 GMT
Subject: says it all, but justin case:
Is there a Java VM that you can use on a Linux box without an Intel CPU?
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Cdrdao problems
From: Arcady Genkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:22:08 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Try setting --speed 2 for a double speed write. Since I have an
> ancient ISA SCSI card, I was not able to do a successful 4x write and
> got SCSI errors like you described. I use the program cdrecord for my
> drive. It has the ability to write audio cd's in the disk at once
> mode. If you can't get cdrdao to work cdrecord is a good alternative.
Only with exception that cdrecord cannot handle toc files,
afaik. Hence the disk isn't going to be an _exact_ copy of the
original. :( That would affect its recognizeablility for cddb.
--
Arcady Genkin
"I opened up my wallet, and it's full of blood..." - GsYDE
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: 27 Apr 1999 07:20:49 GMT
On 27 Apr 1999 06:30:17 GMT,
Keven R. Pittsinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson) writes:
> > On Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:43:50 -0400,
> > hellraiser, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > brought forth the following words...:
> >
> >>and this is supposed to be a bad thing?? communism is a good system,
> >>except when the stupid ass dictators use it out in the far- and
> >>middle-east. i guess they used 'communism', not communism. communism
> >>has never existed in its pure and true form, it has just been abused.
> >>karl marx was pretty smart talking about how a class-based society sucks
> >>(which it DOES). down with capitalism!!!
> >
> > Karl Marx also began the labour camps that killed millions of Russians, and
> > the agricultural policies that starved millions more.
> > A real saint was ol' Karl
>
> Karl Marx never set foot in Russia. You're thinking of Josef Stalin, the
> guy who took over running the Soviet Union after Lenin died.
It would especially be interesting to see how he ran camps in Russia
when he'd been dead for 30 some years before the Russian Revolution. :)
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: MrLoke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.2.6
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:18:31 +0200
jik- wrote:
> MrLoke wrote:
> >
> > I appreciate the help, thanks.
> >
> > MrLoke
> > --
> > ad astra per aspera
>
> I meant modem not mouse, sorry.
Well, it was my mouse I was having trouble with.
MrLoke
--
ad astra per aspera
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From: jmsalvo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.databases,linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux
Subject: Re: Oracle8i for Linux: Anyone recieved their CD yet?
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:42:26 GMT
I have not received mine yet, but I just received today the Oracle8i EE for NT
version. So hopefully, I will receive the Linux version within the week.
John Salvo
In article <01be89ee$6008e510$24921e18@box1>,
"Lesser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I haven't gotten mine yet. I was wondering if anyone else has though.
>
>
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From: Ort Man <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: impish Gnome
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 04:51:16 -0600
Hi,
I just need help installing gnome, like many, many others. Running RH5.1
with kernel 2.0.36-0.7.
I think I've done everything possible and I keep getting the same error.
libgnome.so.0 needed by gnome-graphics-0.13-10
libgnomeui.so.0 needed by gnome-graphics-0.13-10
Prints the 2 lines twice. What are those things *.so.0 ????? What am I
missing?
help is greatly appreciated
Jullian
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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)
Reply-To: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net
Subject: Re: PLIP install doesn't install
Date: 27 Apr 1999 11:04:19 GMT
On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 05:11:37, Greg Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've never bothered replying to a post before, but I just happened to do
> a successful PLIP/NFS install on a Toshiba laptop last night so i
> thought what the hell, I'll have a guess at where you screwed up.
>
> Karel Jansens wrote:
> > I want to install linux (SuSE 5.3) on a laptop that doesn't have a CDROM.
> > I do have SuSE 5.3 running on a desktop with a CDROM, so I thought I could
> > do a NFS install via PLIP.
> > Apparently I thought wrong.
> > Here's what I did:
> >
> > desktop (pentium 60, 24 MB RAM, 4x CDROM)
> > - installed PLIP: insmod plip
> > - start PLIP: /sbin/ifconfig plip1 192.168.0.1 pointopoint 192.168.0.2 up
> > (I used plip1 because neither plip0 or plip2 will work on the server. The
> > ip addresses were chosen rather arbitrarily because neither machine is
> > intended to be hooked up on the Internet soon)
> > - mount CDROM drive: mount /cdrom (/cdrom is the directory where I mount my
> > CDROM, obviously)
> > - added "portmap: 192.168.0.2" to /etc/hosts.allow and "/cdrom 192.168.0.2"
> > to /etc/exports (to export my /cdrom directory to the client). (Obviously I
> > did this first)
> >
> > All this worked, that is to say, I didn't get any funky error messages.
> >
>
> My experience was that it doesn't give any error messages along the way
> (since you're not really doing anything yet!) but only when you attempt
> the NFS mount.
>
> If you read the PLIP howto they mention a few other steps which you
> don't appear to have performed. On the desktop do the following:
>
> insmod plip
> route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev plip1
> ifconfig plip1 192.168.0.1 pointopoint 192.168.0.2 up arp
> route add 192.168.0.2 plip1
>
> Basically you haven't added the routing info so the packets don't know
> where to go!
There you are then. I did read what you mention above in the man pages, but
then I found a plip installation description on the net (on the Linux
laptops site) which made no mention of those lines, so I thought: I'll
follow this guy's advice, he must know what he's doing.
Even so, with the addition of your lines, I still came up empty.
Then I looked at the daemons...
You were right: I had - naively - assumed that the necessary daemons were
already running, but as it turned out, my SuSE linux had defaulted to a
network-less installation (a bit silly for a linux machine, if you ask me).
Luckily, SuSE has YaST, just about the best setup tool I've ever seen on
linux (though I've not seen that many), and I was able to set up PLIP from
YaST and activate the daemons (I had to do it this way, they're not in the
directories you mentioned and I'm too lazy to search for them. YaST found
them without prob).
I seem to have a network now, but whenever I try to mount the /cdrom
directory, I get a "permission denied" on the client. I did go back (via
YaST) and set my network file access to "easy", which, according to the
help text, should allow even a transistor radio to access the server. Maybe
so, but not the laptop.
In any case, I'm halfway there, and you, mate, have earned yourself a
couple of pints. I happen to own a (Polish) bar in Brussels, so if you're
ever in the neighbourhood, give me a ping and I'll be happy to serve you
the toxine of your choice.
Karel Jansens
jansens_at_ibm_dot_net
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Having a kid at sixty, that's an accident.
Having a piano fallen on your head, that's just bad luck.
Agent WD40, Dick Steel
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From: Ed Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do I connect to Internet with Linux?
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:30:08 -0500
Dennis,
I'm a newbie, too, and found the HOW-TOs and other documentation a little
too hard to follow, due to a lack of recognizable examples. Use some other
system browser (like the one that put your message here) and go to
<http://www.webzone.net/>. Click on "Technical Services", on the next page
select "Configure..." and choose "Linux." There, in living color, is a set
of step-by-step instructions on how to use netcfg, in the GUI mode. Just
replace the details with your own ISP's info.
If you fail to access this site for some reason, e-mail me direct. I'll
try to send you all the details.
Ed
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From: Sasa Ostrouska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.2.6 ERROR
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:47:36 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Disable the Frame buffer in the video section
Bye Sasa
Jaring User wrote:
> Hi,
>
> When I type make xconfig in my WindowMaker
> I get this error below:
>
> ERROR - Attempting to write value for unconfigured variable
> (CONFIG_FB_ATY)
>
> What does that mean? I am able to save the settings and build the
> 2.2.6
> kernel and boot it ONLY from the diskette I have made using bzdisk
>
> I can't boot from my LILO as it display this error message:
>
> Uncompressing linux....................
>
> CRC Error
>
> - System halted
>
> The only way I can reboot it is to press on the reset button and no
> way I
> can boot into linux RedHat 5.2 from LILO. Yes, I did /sbin/lilo after
> make
> bzlilo, and yes, I did make a backup copy of my previous kernel
> (kernel-2.0.32) but still the same.
>
> Please help. I guess I am the FIRST one to encounter this kind of
> problem
> bcuz I have not seen one before.
>
> Hope Linus is reading this as well :)
>
> Your help is very much appreciated. Many thanks in advance
>
> From,
>
> Michael
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From: "Henricus J. Holtman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help! Deleted accidentally windows files from linux
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 00:19:00 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have a little problem. I have (had) Linux and Windows95 on separate
hard
drives on my computer. While working late at night in Linux, I
mistakenly
typed as root '/bin/rm -r *' in my /mnt directory which had my windows
partitions mounted. After a moment I realized that something was wrong
and
I aborted this process. Yes, you are thinking, what an idiot! Yes, of
course I guess I am... I won't bore you by trying to explain what I
_thought_ I was doing...
Anyhow I tried booting windows95, and the computer could not find
COMMAND.COM, and so I figured that some of the files were deleted off of
my
c: hard drive. I have since not since written to that drive (as far as
I
know).
Is it possible to undo this damage? I don't have a backup for anything
on
c: drive and sometimes it is convenient to boot in windows.
Since I aborted the process midway through its descent, and * expands to
'c: cdrom d: ...', is it true that since some files are still on the c:
(windows) drive, the scope of my damage is limited to files on the c:
drive?
Does anyone know the answer to these questions? My email is
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thank you,
Henricus
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: word processing, what to use?
Date: 26 Apr 1999 21:27:51 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore) writes:
-> On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:56:43 +0100,
-> D. Vrabel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-> > Since when was vi a word processor? vi is only a text editor.
->
-> No, it's a religion.
->
-> (At least it's not a religion and an OS like that EMACS thing... :))
Heretic!
--
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http://www.david-steuber.com
If you wish to reply by mail, _please_ replace 'trashcan' with 'david'
in the e-mail address. The trashcan account really is a trashcan.
The world is an 8000 mile in diameter spherical pile of shit.
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat Issue
Date: 26 Apr 1999 23:40:06 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh) writes:
-> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bill Heasley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
->
-> >I want to thank the few people who actualy tried to give me som honest
-> >help to my problem. Unfortunatly I will not look to this as a place for
-> >help anymore due to the few who gave me instructions on how to shut down
-> >linux.
-> >To those people:
->
-> >I AM NOT AN IDIOT! I COULD NOT GET TO A PROMPT TO SHUT DOWN.
->
-> However, for you to abandon one of the real goldmines of information
-> becuase some of it is fools gold is symptomatic of an idiot.
->
-> So, lets see, some people gave you bad advice, and some gave you good
-> advice, so you are going to refuse to use this source because some of
-> the information was bad. And you are not an idiot. Hmm.
-> >great unix or nt alternative. Too bad there are a few that want to keep
-> >anybody new from getting up to speed.
Usenet news is a sort of hit or miss forum, especially in the
technical groups. The Linux groups get a heck of a lot of traffic.
The misc group is also getting traffic that belongs in advocacy.
Also, as Bill stated, questions frequently don't have enough
information included for any helpful response.
That being said, I have found that the Linux technical groups provide
a better signal to noise ratio than the microsoft help groups.
However, there are comp.lang.* groups that leave the comp.os.linux.*
groups in the dust. I guess each neighborhood has its own culture.
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
If you wish to reply by mail, _please_ replace 'trashcan' with 'david'
in the e-mail address. The trashcan account really is a trashcan.
"About the time we think we can make ends meet, somebody moves the
ends."
-- Herbert Hoover
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: 27 Apr 1999 00:34:40 -0400
"Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
-> Sigh... if people would stop "feeding the trolls", perhaps they would get bored
and
-> die.
Hah!
People always feed the trolls. They can't help it.
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
If you wish to reply by mail, _please_ replace 'trashcan' with 'david'
in the e-mail address. The trashcan account really is a trashcan.
It has been observed that one's nose is never so happy as when it is
thrust into the affairs of another, from which some physiologists have
drawn the inference that the nose is devoid of the sense of smell.
-- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
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