Linux-Misc Digest #11, Volume #20 Sat, 1 May 99 19:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: linux to replace windoze machines ? (brian moore)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Prins Olivier)
Re: X boot problem - HELP Please!!! (Jim Roberts)
Re: Help choosing distribution (jedi)
The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of Communism
(really) (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: IP masquerading w/linux & Indy (Bas van der Linden)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Peter Seebach)
SOLUTION: nfssvc: function not implemented (Thomas Cameron)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Peter Seebach)
Re: Microsoft is the Communist!!! (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Peter Seebach)
Re: q3test video problems (Steven Carstensen)
Re: Gnome Help ! (John Holmes)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (John Westerdale)
Re: Trident 9660/9680 and CTX VL710 (Andrew Comech)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Robert
Krawitz)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: linux to replace windoze machines ?
Date: 1 May 1999 21:13:08 GMT
On Sat, 01 May 1999 14:25:10 -0400,
-bill- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Coming from a SCO environment I am somewhat cluless.
> Does Linux come with Xfree ?
Well, virtually every distribution does. (The only exceptions I know of
are the various 'mini' distributions intended for things like routers
and other embedded machines).
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Prins Olivier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 19:09:38 +0200
Alex Gurney wrote:
> As I understand it - and please feel free to correct me *politely*
>
> if I am wrong - capitalism is fundamentally about making money.
>
> In the case of technology, the most important thing is really that
>
> the product should work. If we can make products (that work) in a
>
> non-capitalistic or %2522bazaar%2522 environment, then that is good. Linux
>
> as an OS is stable and practical, and it is a demonstration that
>
> GPL distribution actually does work. If we allow ultra-capitalistic
>
> free market politics to take over, then the quality of the product
>
> will suffer. Cutting corners will be inevitable, because in the
>
> capitalists' system the utility of the system is irrelevant - only
>
> how much money one can make out of it is important. One of the
>
> great strengths of Linux is the expertise of its core user base -
>
> few commercial companies could afford to employ so many trained
>
> people to look after their code.
>
> In summary: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>
> -**** Posted from RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com/?b ****-
> Real Discussions for Real People
I agree whole hartedly....
Prins Olivier
--
Running Windows on a PIII, is like driving a $200,000 Porsche only
backwards.....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Roberts)
Subject: Re: X boot problem - HELP Please!!!
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 21:14:03 GMT
SNIP
.
> When I type "init 5 " at the command prompt nothing happens, and when I
> type "/usr/X11/bin/xdm -nodaemon" (as written in /etc/inittab")
> I get an error message saying that it can not open display, because
> another xdm is
> running, but nothing really is running.
>
> Any help will be appreciated.
>
> Arik Solomon
> Israel
>
Arik,
My guess is that you have a stale lock file for the X-server or
adm somewhere.
Look in /var and /tmp and since it's a Redhat install, look in /etc/X11.
The file will probably look like "xxx.lck".
SU to root and delete the lock then it should work.
--
Jim Roberts Never enough time!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Help choosing distribution
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:01:12 -0700
On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:28:18 -0700, jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Secondly, if you don't want "all that extra crap", either uninstall it (a
>> trivial task) or don't install it in the first place.
>
>Well, why bother at all then?
Get cheap copies of all of them from cheapbytes and make up your own mind.
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Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk)
Subject: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 22:12:43 GMT
In article <7g54ec$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John S. Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>...
>A given idealogy might just not be practical. Some idealogies might
>be practical in the short term or regressive (like GPL),
To a true-believer Capitalist, cooperation and sharing are
considered "regressive". Whereas using sexy ads to induce
people to buy tobacco, which kills one-third of them
(taking 25 years off their life) is considered "good
business", and perfectly alright.
This is basically because in Capitalism, it is OK to harm
other people in order to benefit oneself (this is a good
definition of "evil") as long as one can induce the victim
to "voluntarily" bite the hook. This can be done by with-
holding information, putting out false information, or
getting the suckers to start using something addictive,
like tobacco or MS-Windows.
>or work
>well in the longer term (practical capitalism and properly compensated
>creativity.)
In Capitalism, "proper" compensation for creativity is as
little as the capitalist (business owner) can get away
with paying his employees, who are forced, by the need
to survive, to accept it. This is what is meant by
"exploitation". There is no thought that all the people
in the company, including the owner(s), should receive
equal payment per hour of their life spent working hard
(which would be the pro-human, partnership way).
>For each person, it depends on timescale or personal
>interest. Some systems elevate a "class" of individuals to take
>advantage of others ("practical communism" and GPL),
Amazing! Exactly what "class of individuals" is enabled
to "take advantage of others" by means of the GPL? All of
humanity minus Bill Gates?
>while others
>are more egalitarian in practice (but not in the communist-like
>theory that ignores true human nature.)
There is very good evidence that true human nature *is*
communist-like (in the non-coercive sense) -- in other
words, desiring to help and share with others, and never
to exploit or otherwise harm anyone. See this book:
_The Chalice and the Blade_, by Riane Eisler, 1988, ISBN
0-06-250-289-1, HarperSanFrancisco, $16. An overview of
the archaeological work of Marija Gimbutas and others.
It explains the macro-history of human culture, and proves
that domination, patriarchy, and war are culturally
programmed, rather than biologically innate.
And this website:
http://www.partnershipway.org
>All ideas need to be tolerated, but one needs common sense and
>discipline to stay away from implementing the seductive, but
>damaging ones. Pragmatism needs to be considered for both the
>short and long term. Unfortunately, it is often the idealogues
>that seem to forget *long term* kindness to others, pragmatism
>and the true cost to support an economy.
If all the effort expended in competition, duplication of
effort, disinformation, coercion, advertising, and zero-sum
businesses (stock and real estate speculation, etc.) were
turned to creating products and services that people
actually use, and if people were paid simply according to
the number of hours of work they do (with compensation for
time spent getting educated, etc.), then all of us would
have to work only two or three days a week, and we'd have
as much as we do now, much better distributed, and we'd
live in a far more peaceful world.
>Recently, it seems that most idealogues have become better at "spin"
>and misinformation, and are indeed much more destructive.
Capitalism has an enormous system of propaganda-spewing
agencies, paid for by the wealthy people who benefit from
that system: Competitive Enterprise Institute, Heritage
Foundation, Cato Institute, American Enterprise Institute,
Wall Street Journal, Washington Times, Investors' Business
Weekly, American Spectator, Weekly Standard, so-called
Insight and Reason, thousands of radio stations that broad-
cast Right-wing hate-talk programs, plus the Republican
Party (and many other organizations and publications).
<LI><a href="http://www.aliveness.com/msb.html">Links To Reality</a>
<LI><a href="http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo">Steve Kangas -- Liberalism Resurgent --
Northwest Mirror</a>
<LI><a href="http://www.aliveness.com/kangaroo">Steve Kangas -- Liberalism Resurgent
-- West Mirror</a>
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From: Bas van der Linden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IP masquerading w/linux & Indy
Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 01:01:03 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Psycho wrote:
>
> My linux box is masquerading for my little network. My NT Box and 98 box
> work perfectly. I recently acquired a used Indy :) and added it to my
> collection. It has irix 5.3 which I did a clean install of. I can ping,
> ftp and telnet with it but for some reason I cannot see the outside worl
> :(
>
> I have added the following line to the end of my network file:
>
> route add default 10.33.9.75 0
I have absolutely no experience with irix, but under linux I would use
route add default gw 10.33.9.75 eth0
I hope that helps :)
Bas
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 21:57:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Prins Olivier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Peter Seebach wrote:
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Prins Olivier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Yes you do get more video games, but that isn't a fair trade-off, if
>Linux would
>> >be in the position Windows is in they would all be Linux games. And any video
>> >game you play with Linux runs better, than it does under Windows, for
>which they
>> >are made....
>> That's like saying "it's not fair to blame new poorly-understood structural
>> materials for failures we have with them". It is fair to blame the
>> "poorly-understood" part.
>I dont understand your point here, do you mean that is said that it's
>not fair to
>blame Windows for it's failures???
No. I mean it's not fair to say "this isn't a weakness because it's only
a weakness in the world we live in".
Linux doesn't have as much software support as Windows at the moment; it's
harder to go into a store and get a pre-built, easy-to-install, package to
do an arbitrary task. There are small exceptions, but Windows has better
software support.
It's not fair to pretend that this advantage doesn't exist, just because it
only exists because Windows is currently dominant. It may be a temporary
thing, but it's a real advantage.
The lack of support for Linux is probably temporary; Activision announced
that one of their games will ship for it. I'm guessing that Linux will be
a significant chunk of the gaming market within another five years or so,
because, well, it costs users very little to get Linux, and if games come
out for it that they want, they'll get it.
But, *RIGHT NOW*, it is an advantage Windows has over Linux.
Let's ignore games. I want to upgrade the firmware on my ISDN router. I can
download a firmware image, but for some reason, tftp isn't working very well
today. They suggested I get their special Windows management package.
Doesn't exist for anything but Windows. Ascend has a firewall feature in some
of their boxes, which you can't control from anything but Windows.
Are these advantages "intrinsic" to Windows? No. There is nothing in the
nature of Windows that makes it a good platform for this, and there are a
lot of flaws in it. However, there is something in the *situation* of Windows
that makes it a good platform to develop for - it is very, very, widespread.
That's one of the trade-offs, and it currently goes in the favor of Windows.
That said, when I wanted to get my mom set up with a laptop, I decided that
I considered "reliable" more important than "lots of software", so I set it
up with NetBSD.
-s
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From: Thomas Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: SOLUTION: nfssvc: function not implemented
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 16:58:01 -0500
Howdy all -
I dug around and couldn't find an answer to this very quickly, so if
this fix is common knowledge, please forgive me for wasting bandwidth.
If you compile a new kernel in RedHat 6 and at boot you get the error
nfssvc: function not implemented
then you need to recompile your kernel with "Prompt for Development
and/or incomplete code/drivers" (CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL) set to Yes.
I found this out after I compiled kernel 2.2.7 on RedHat 6.0 yesterday.
I am running a production box, so I am pretty conservative with my
kernel settings - no experimental settings enabled. I enabled all the
available NFS services (except emulate Sun NFS) in make xconfig. After
reboot, rpc.nfsd reported the error:
nfssvc: function not implemented
and my machine would not serve NFS. Very odd. I recompiled the kernel
twice, double checking that all the available NFS server settings there
were enabled. Still no dice. Then I finally found a posting by Dominik
Kubla on a European server
(http://banyan.dlut.edu.cn/news/022499/832.html) and I enabled
CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL. I then found the extra NFS server setting
available in network file systems. I enabled it, and now I have a happy
Linux box. I think that the new RH uses the new (experimental?) kernel
space NFS server instead of the user-space one, and this has to be
enabled in the kernel.
Side note - anyone have any opinions on using this "experimental"
setting in a production operating system?
I am posting this so that any other folks new to RH (I am an old
Slackware guy) who have a hard time fingering this out can find it with
a quick Dejanews search.
Regards,
Thomas Cameron, CNE, MCP, MCT
Three-Sixteen Technical Services, Inc.
http://www.three-sixteen.com
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 22:02:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Prins Olivier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Peter Seebach wrote:
>> You don't for Windows, either. Now, you'll never get *as much* performance,
>> but often, that's okay.
>You think that's okay??
Yes.
>linux running on the same machine, or compare playing quake 1 on a p166
>under linux
>or under windows, on the first it's playable in a nice resolution on the
>later it's
>not....
True enough, unless you have a good graphics card - which probably ran GLQuake
on Windows a year or two before it ran it on Linux. :)
That said, a friend of mine is running *NT*, for crying out loud, on a P166.
It works fine.
I have a Celery running Windows. It's not as powerful or as fast as any of
my other boxes - but in practice, the only time I experience delays, it's
because disks can only read a few megs a second still. Or because I have a
slow net feed.
>And do you also think it's fair that Microsoft tries to take all
>the credit
>for their supposed increase in performance that's actually caused by better
>hardware???
No. And I make a point of telling people, whenever I get the chance, that
Unix probably gets twice the performance (or more) out of a given piece of
hardware that Windows does.
But that doesn't mean the performance Windows get on a given box can't be
good enough for a given user.
>Running Windows on a PIII, is like driving a $200,000 Porsche only
>backwards.....
Nah. It's like getting a GPS system for your diesel Rabbit, and getting a
GPS that broadcasts your location to everyone. :)
-s
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Microsoft is the Communist!!!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 22:02:38 GMT
On Sat, 01 May 1999 21:09:10 +0200, Prins Olivier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>"Christopher B. Browne" wrote:
>> Fascism (and you at least spelled it right; so many call it "facism")
>> is the great "demon" of the 20th century; the fact that Godwin's Law
>> exists establishes that it's a great conversation-stopper.
>>
>> It is less clear, difficult to prove, and *impossible* to (due to
>> things like Godwin's Law) usefully debate whether communism could have
>> caused FAAAAR worse results than fascism has.
>>
>> There probably have been more deaths resulting from actions of
>> putatively communist states than from the actions of fascist states,
>> but it's not useful to debate this, because [flodA reltiH] (reverse
>> it!) tends to quickly come up, and peoples' prejudices and other
>> immensely strong feelings squelch the communication of ideas.
>
>You forget that if you use the word communism for those states, you are very
>wrong those states ween't even close to communism.
I most certainly did *not* forget the issue which I'd reword as "the
states that *claimed* to be ``communist'' weren't really following
Marx's original ideals;" I described such places using the phrase:
"putatively communist states"
which indicates (and was *directly intended* to indicate) that they
were called such, but that whether they were or not is arguable.
>They could, arguably, be in the state of the dictatorship of the
>working class. Which always turned out to be just an ordinary
>dictatorship of a few ppl, no matter what other ppl try.
Which represents another reason why "Communism" and "Fascism," as
expressed in our century, are more similar than anyone seems
comfortable with.
>The communistic state has never been achieved, a lot of ppl say it
>isn't possible because it would an utopia, it would be paradise on
>earth which THEY think is impossible..
That would probably be something to be claimed by those Christians
that *actually* understand Christian theology; the concept of "Utter
Depravity," one of the results of "The Fall of Man," is incompatible
with the construction of a "utopia."
Utter Depravity refers to the notion that human character is
inherently fatally flawed. It is commonly *misunderstood* to mean
that "pagans will tend to do the worst possible things," with the
assumption that Christians, being Holier Than Thou, don't have this
flaw. What it *actually* means is that even at our very best, our
characters are sufficiently flawed as to mean *everyone* has ample
opportunity to mess up.
Which is certainly not helpful when trying to construct a utopia.
The more common view is not that utopia is inherently impossible, but
rather that implementing the communist variety is impossible because
the methodology of getting to communism can't work.
We have seen a whole pile of would-be "Communist Revolutions;" they
all have had varying flaws that have resulted in failure to accomplish
the "communist utopia."
Personally, I'd go with both views; that utopia is impossible, *and*
that constructing a communist state that follows the ideals is *also*
impossible.
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 22:04:26 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sat, 01 May 1999 18:13:47 GMT,
> Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Windows is still *relatively* inexpensive, as in, it's not very much of the
>> cost of the computer.
>Oh?
>It's a pretty good chunk of the price of a sub-1000 dollar system.
I'm not sure; from what e-machines did when they did a rebate ($26), it sounds
like it could be relatively cheap. Keep in mind, vendors don't pay as much
as you or I would.
Assume it's $50 on a $500 system. 10% isn't "very much", in my book.
Although I guess it's relative; I admit, it's enough that the only reason I
ended up getting it with a laptop is I couldn't afford the ones that didn't
come with it. :(
>Most of the 'freeware' for Windows is quite shoddy. You're talking
>about a platform where people charge $20 for shareware that will tell
>you your IP number.
I agree. It's pretty awful.
>We won't even get into the difference between 'freeware' and 'Free
>Software'.
I think we all know.
That said, there *is* free software that runs on Windows. Just not a whole
lot.
However, his argument was about *cost* of software, not freedom.
I'd like to point out that I by no means consider Windows a good system. I
just disapprove of making untrue claims about it - because we don't *need*
to. The truth is damning enough.
-s
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From: Steven Carstensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: q3test video problems
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 17:38:46 -0500
nevermind all, I got some help and figured it out. :)
STC
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From: John Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Gnome Help !
Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 07:26:58 +0900
John van der Zanden wrote:
> Unpacked all gnome packages without serious problems, but what to do now ??
> the manual says this
>
> To start gnome, you must edit the X startup files. (which one and how ?)
> a sample x startup file using gnome-session follows:
> #!/bin/bash
> exec gnome-session
> ## end sample
> the default Gnome session configuratio file is
> /usr/share/gnome/default.session. The user gnome session is
> $HOME/.gnome/session.
>
> All nice and well, but what must i do ? I dont have any clue what this all
> means as i am a NEWBIE !!
> Which file must i edit and what should i put in it ??
>
> John
If you are starting x windows from the command prompt with startx then you
need to
create a file called .xinitrc in your home directory and put this in it:
#!/bin/bash
exec gnome-session
If your computer comes up with a login window then you should create a file
called .xsession in your
home directory with the exact same thing. The simplest way to be sure is to
create the .xinitrc file,
enter the commands above, save it. Then do:
mv .xinitrc .xsession
Once you have the .xsession file do:
chmod +x .xsession
This is because the .xsession file needs to be executable. You should now be
ready to run gnome
whichever way you go.
P.S. - Don't forget that there is a . (period) in front of the names .xinitrc
and .xsession
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From: John Westerdale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 16:33:04 GMT
Hi All,
For the record who said that the failure of capitalism will be
the movement of more and more money into fewer and fewer hands?
Maybe Bill Gates (*) knows the answer to this.
Also, isnt is a bit chilling to see reallllllllly rich people
own news media organizations? Doesnt this represent a serious conflict
of
interest? Is it appropriate for MSNBC to report on, say, the DOJ/MSFT
trials?
Is this a communist thought:
Are we all better off when we build on each others work?
Lots to think about.
JDW
* You know bill,,, that guy with more money than most small countries.
* mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Beer Food Unix *
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Comech)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Trident 9660/9680 and CTX VL710
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 1 May 1999 18:52:04 -0500
On 30 Apr 1999 19:52:01 -0500, Michel wrote:
>Leroy Pluard wrote:
>>
>> Does anybody have a Xconfig that works with the Trident 9660/9680 with 2
>> megs and the CTX VL710 Monitor?
>>
>> I got it to work in the 1280 x 1024 mode and the 640 x 480 mode, but
>> not the 600 x 800 and 1024 x 768.
>> I'd really rather use the 1024 x 768, but nothing I do with XF86config
>> seems to get it to work...
Hi,
I had had very similar problems with Trident 9750 and then managed to
get it work using some particular orders of resolutions in the Modes line.
Have a look at
http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~comech/tools/3DImage975.html
Cheese,
Andrew
--
Looking for a Linux-compatible V.90 modem? See
http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~comech/tools/CheapBox.html#modem
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From: Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: 01 May 1999 18:27:04 -0400
Tesla Coil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 30 Apr 1999, Peter Seebach wrote:
>
> > GNU software has a *HUGE* technological advantage over
> > closed-source software; this has nothing to do with "capitalism"
> > - we simply outnumber them.
>
> That a closed-source software company has only so much capital
> with which to employ developers who have access to that source
> has nothing to do with capitalism? The absence of that limit is
> why "we simply outnumber them."
Well, there are closed-source companies that make quite good
software. IBM and DEC have produced excellent operating systems;
Adobe makes quite good application software.
Mind you, the argument that free software is somehow anti-free-market
is flat out wrong. (I don't want to use the word "capitalism" because
I don't believe that free market and capitalism are one and the same
thing. A free market need not be capitalistic in nature; barter is
one such example. Likewise, a capitalistic system may have very
regulated markets. That's what I want to get at.)
My basic premise here is that patents (in particular) and copyrights
(to some extent) are in conflict with a truly free market. Patents in
particular are a government action that restricts the rights of
parties not under contract with the patent owner. Indeed, the very
premise of patents (that innovators need an incentive) is a direct
claim that the free market fails in a certain way.
That may or may not be true (I think it's exceedingly unlikely in the
field of computer hardware and software, but it may be true in
pharmaceuticals, which are heavily regulated in other ways, and that
regulation is what drives up their development cost), but let's be
clear on what's going on.
--
Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/
Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2
Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works."
--Eric Crampton
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