Linux-Misc Digest #11, Volume #21                Mon, 12 Jul 99 06:13:19 EDT

Contents:
  Re: access ext2 partition without any login (Todd Knarr)
  Re: RH6, bash, command-line editing ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Linux vs Solaris (Phillip Fayers)
  Re: RH6, bash, command-line editing (Brad Howes)
  Re: Cron entry to run once? (Glitch)
  Re: RH6, bash, command-line editing (Arun Sharma)
  Re: converting mp3->wav????? (Glitch)
  Re: SB16 PnP troubles (Dave Brown)
  Re: converting mp3->wav????? (Andy Busch)
  Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (Reinier Post)
  finger... (Jean-Yves Toumit)
  Re: Amiga announces Linux kernel is new Amiga kernal - Opinions? (Dave)
  Re: HELP! restore deleted files? (Volker Tanner)
  iBCS in 2.2.10 (capai)
  Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (De Messemaeker Johan)
  sin + cos in C (Tuomo Louhivuori)
  finger : more info (who) (Jean-Yves Toumit)
  exporting AIX display to Linux (George Hicken)
  bttvgrab 0.15.4 - compile trouble ("R.K.Aa")
  Re: Linux vs. Unix (Peter Caffin)
  staroffice ("FTO")
  Re: sin + cos in C (Mark Tranchant)
  Re: Dell Inspiron compatibility?  What is best laptop? (Trond Eivind Glomsr�d)
  Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (De Messemaeker Johan)
  PROGRAMMING: cgi-util C library released (William Kendrick)

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From: Todd Knarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: access ext2 partition without any login
Date: 12 Jul 1999 04:51:07 GMT

Matthew Cromer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm working for a client where the previous developer left on bad terms.  He
> will not turn over any passwords for the development box.  I need to access
> the linux filesystem on this box and get the source code off of it.

Three steps:

1. Get a rescue or other boot diskette for the type of machine in question.
   You need a shell and a small editor available on it. If you don't have
   this, now would be a good time to build one because sooner or later
   you'll need one. The Linux Bootdisk-HOWTO should cover the details,
   try looking in /usr/doc/HOWTO for it.
2. Boot the machine using the boot diskette. You should end up at a shell
   prompt as the superuser.
3. Mount the hard drive. Edit the /etc/passwd ( or /etc/shadow ) file and
   remove the passwords from the accounts you need to get into ( probably
   including root ).

At this point you should be able to reboot the machine and log in as root
or any other username you need without a password. Do _NOT_ leave the
machine in this state, set new passwords promptly. Disconnecting it from
the network might be a good idea. Recover things as needed. Remember: the
superuser is God.

Alternatively, if you have spare spots to plug a drive in on another box,
just pull the drive from the box you're locked out of, plug it into the other
box, log in as root, mount it and pull the files.

-- 
Collin was right. Never give a virus a missile launcher.
                                -- Erk, Reality Check #8

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: RH6, bash, command-line editing
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 04:54:51 GMT

I am having the same problem with ESC-k (or Arrow or j or whatever)
beeping and failing.  The odd thing is I have 2 RH6.0 boxes.  The one
I upgraded from 5.2 *works* (ESC-K works to move up in set -o vi mode)
but the new machine where RH6.0 was installed from scratch will not
work.  So I know it can be made to work I just don't know where it is
breaking.  By the way this fails from the console, from X (Gnome or
KDE), or telnetted into this server from the other machine.
Telnetting to the working server from the server that fails, that
window works fine so it can't be the keyboard.  And nxterm, kdterm,
xterm all fail.

Any suggestions?

thanks

Adam

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve blakeway) wrote:

>On 1 Jul 99 22:10:47 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
>wrote:
>
>>I just installed RH6.  When I tried to turn on command-line 
>>editing, "set -o vi", it doesn't work.  Hitting the <esc> 
>>key causes a <beep>, and then typing the <k> key does not 
>>retrieve the previous command.  
>>
>>Any quick fixes before I trash the installation?  (Other than 
>>that, it installed pretty nicely... even installed "freecell"!)
>>
>
>Ah, you're using the bash shell, not the korn shell. Just  use the
>arrow keys.
>
>steve
>


email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phillip Fayers)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Linux vs Solaris
Date: 6 Jul 1999 09:44:12 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave) writes:
>I went back and found the website.
>Here is the link for the original article,
>"PC Week Labs' tests show what path Linux must take"

>http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,1015266,00.html

>Here's the link for a chart of the test results:

>"Labs benchmark results: NT vs. Linux"
>http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/jumps/0,4270,2283480,00.html

>and, the original "test" that started the brouhaha:
>"Highly tuned NT whips barely tuned Linux in Microsoft-backed test"
>http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,1014383,00.html

And if you continue the hunt around the ZDNet site you'll find the 
results of another comparitive review of NT, Solaris, Linux and Netware. 
 http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,401970,00.html

Solaris won the WebBench part of the test hands down.  It fared worse
in the NetBench file server tests, apparently because the NetBench
tests perform ~200 rename commands as part of the benchmark and for
some reason Solaris took 2000ms (as opposed to 5 to 112ms for the
other systems) to do the rename.  In a total benchmark time of
600 seconds for Solaris 400 seconds were spent renaming.  Taking
the other worst time of 112ms that equates to ~23 seconds for renames.
On most of the other parts of the test Solaris:
  "outperformed the other NOSes by several orders of magnitude"
Even with this major problem Solaris is just outperformed by Linux.
(As a comment on benchmarks in general, our NFS servers show somewhat
less than 0.001% renames as a percentage of NFS calls.)

The comments on Linux?
  "It was about 4 times slower than either NT or Solaris on file reads."
  "Almost all other areas of Linux's file system showed similar
   lackluster performance..."
  "Linux did show an edge in file write operations..."

-- 
Phillip Fayers, SunAdmin/Support/Programming/Postmaster/Webmaster(TM)
Dept of Physics & Astronomy, University of Wales, College of Cardiff.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]     Attribute these comments to me, not UWCC.



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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: RH6, bash, command-line editing
From: Brad Howes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 12 Jul 1999 00:59:33 -0400

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> I am having the same problem with ESC-k (or Arrow or j or whatever)
> beeping and failing.  The odd thing is I have 2 RH6.0 boxes.  The one
> I upgraded from 5.2 *works* (ESC-K works to move up in set -o vi mode)
> but the new machine where RH6.0 was installed from scratch will not
> work.  So I know it can be made to work I just don't know where it is
> breaking.  By the way this fails from the console, from X (Gnome or
> KDE), or telnetted into this server from the other machine.
> Telnetting to the working server from the server that fails, that
> window works fine so it can't be the keyboard.  And nxterm, kdterm,
> xterm all fail.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 

Try adding 

  xterm*eightBitInput: false

to your .Xdefaults file. This worked for me to fix some other problems I
had with RH 6.

Brad

-- 
Brad Howes                    [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 02:01:23 -0400
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cron entry to run once?

i could be wrong but i dont see how Cron could start running anything
while the system is still booting, even after cron daemon has been
started.

If u wnat to do something at boot u have to mess with the boot scripts
and if u want something scheduled then use cron......i doubt u can mix
the advantages of both at teh same time.

Stewart Honsberger wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:56:28 +0000, Kristin Aanestad wrote:
> >> A tad over the top for my needs here - and I don't see a PID file (or any
> >> reference to said) in the setiathome directory.
> >
> >I don't know what Seti@Home is, but i run a few eggdrops - if it's the
> >botchk script you have a problem with, the way you "communicate"
> >with cron is via a utility called crontab.
> 
> I know all about that - the thing is, Seti@Home doesn't appear to create
> a PID - which the botchk script uses.
> 
> I may not be able to write shell code - but I do (mostly) understand it :>
> 
> What I'm looking for is a way (with cron?) to start a task (as myself;
> not root) which will run only once - during system bootup.
> 
> I want the command;
> 
> ./setiathome > /dev/null &
> 
> to be run (so that I don't have any screen output, and it can be ignored).
> 
> It just seems to me that cron will only run at specified intervals, so I'm
> not sure if that's what I'm looking for or not.
> 
> Someone else suggested rc.local - ok, but how do I control which user runs
> it? This is a binary I don't have source for - so I'd rather not run it as
> root :>
> 
> --
> Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
> Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4

-- 
                              

"Bill Gates?, I dont know any Bill Gates.  Oh, you mean 'by putting
every conceivable 
 feature into an OPERATING SYSTEM, whether you want it or not, is
innovation' Bill 
 Gates? Yeah, I know the monopolizer"
                
                  http://web.mountain.net/~brandon/main.htm
     For Beginners in Linux, Emulation, Midis, Playstation Info, and
Virii.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arun Sharma)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: RH6, bash, command-line editing
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 06:14:53 GMT

On Mon, 12 Jul 1999 04:54:51 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am having the same problem with ESC-k (or Arrow or j or whatever)
> beeping and failing.  The odd thing is I have 2 RH6.0 boxes.  The one
> I upgraded from 5.2 *works* (ESC-K works to move up in set -o vi mode)
> but the new machine where RH6.0 was installed from scratch will not
> work.  So I know it can be made to work I just don't know where it is
> breaking.  By the way this fails from the console, from X (Gnome or
> KDE), or telnetted into this server from the other machine.
> Telnetting to the working server from the server that fails, that
> window works fine so it can't be the keyboard.  And nxterm, kdterm,
> xterm all fail.
> 

Edit your /etc/profile and comment out:
#INPUTRC=/etc/inputrc 

You may have to reboot or use any other tricks to undo the effect of inputrc.

        -Arun

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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 01:47:18 -0400
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: converting mp3->wav?????

find a decoder, dont know of any for linxu though b/c i dont do that in
linux

Eric Wyles wrote:
> 
> does anyone know how to convert an mp3 file to a  wav file.
> I'm trying to do some cd recording and I only have mp3
> files. I would like to use cdrecord to do the recording.
> 
> thanks
> 
> **** Posted from RemarQ - http://www.remarq.com - Discussions Start Here (tm) ****

-- 
                              

"Bill Gates?, I dont know any Bill Gates.  Oh, you mean 'by putting
every conceivable 
 feature into an OPERATING SYSTEM, whether you want it or not, is
innovation' Bill 
 Gates? Yeah, I know the monopolizer"
                
                  http://web.mountain.net/~brandon/main.htm
     For Beginners in Linux, Emulation, Midis, Playstation Info, and
Virii.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Subject: Re: SB16 PnP troubles
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 12 Jul 99 06:24:44 GMT

Thanks to all for your replies.  Yes, indeed the problem is with the 
card itself.  I'm still not clear on why pnpdump seemed to indicate 
that there was a DMA channel 3 setting on the card, and yet when I 
compiled the kernel module with DMA 3, it couldn't find the high DMA.

But it's clear that not all SB 16 PnP cards are the same.  The 
soundblaster website lists dozens of varieties of SB16 and SB16PNP.  
(After seeing all the varieties of SB16 cards, it makes me think 
that Creative is not famous for "design stability".)  I decided that 
this particular card is probably a cheapened version which only 
emulates their older SB16 cards.

I went ahead a replaced it with a non-PnP Soundblaster 16, and now 
I've got 16 bit sound.  (Found one with a Adaptec 1510 interface on
it so I did got a little bonus.)

-- 
Dave Brown   Austin, TX

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Busch)
Subject: Re: converting mp3->wav?????
Date: 12 Jul 1999 06:56:26 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

>> does anyone know how to convert an mp3 file to a  wav file.
>> I'm trying to do some cd recording and I only have mp3
>> files. I would like to use cdrecord to do the recording.
I think xmms (x11amp) can now do this.  Also, I think you can pipe mpg123's
output directly into cdrecord if you have a computer with enough horsepower
to play mp3s at four times their normal speed (I don't know why 4X, it's
just what I read).

best luck
Andy

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From: Reinier Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: 12 Jul 1999 09:53:57 +0200

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>On 7 Jul 1999 17:43:17 -0700, Jason O'Rourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, in
><7m0s75$afe$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[about the US Civil War being the most costly US war in terms of life]
>
>+ James - that fact is not really relevent.
>
>Well, when someone is making the claim that the US lost more combat troops
>than all of England's population, it is rather relevent...

It isn't relevant to Linux networking, MS Windows NT or Linux advocacy,
webserver software on Unix, or miscellaneous Linux topics.  Could you guys
please find a more appropriate newsgroup to continue this discussion?

Thanks.

-- 
Reinier Post                                            [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: Jean-Yves Toumit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: finger...
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:15:10 +0200

Hi all!
I was just wondering : where does "finger" get the info of who
is logged on?
The problem is that one of the users of my machine is marked as
"still logged on" although he is not and there are no processes
left by him (with top and ps).
Here's the result of the finger command on this user:
On since Sat Jul 10 21:44 (CEST) on pts/24 (messages off)
On since Sat Jul 10 21:44 (CEST) on pts/27 (messages off)
On since Sat Jul 10 21:44 (CEST) on pts/26 (messages off)
On since Sat Jul 10 21:44 (CEST) on pts/25 (messages off)

and the finger command on all users:
...
pcharest  Pascal Charest    */24         Jul 10 21:44
pcharest  Pascal Charest    */27         Jul 10 21:44
pcharest  Pascal Charest    */26         Jul 10 21:44
pcharest  Pascal Charest    */25         Jul 10 21:44
...

There must be a file somewhere telling he's still logged on
although he isn't anymore.

Thanks!

-- 
Jean-Yves TOUMIT
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://rfv-pc28.insa-lyon.fr
ICQ:36936256

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From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Amiga announces Linux kernel is new Amiga kernal - Opinions?
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 06:58:50 GMT

Donald E. Stidwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Where did you see this announcement? Man, I loved my Amiga - used an Amiga for
: over 7 years. If they put Linux on it, I'd go back to an Amiga in a heartbeat.

 There is linux M68K. Most of the gnu tools have also been ported to
AmigaDos.

-- 
Dave.-- The email address above does work :)

"Bill Gates is a white Persian cat and a monocle away
from becoming another James Bond villain."
"No Mr Bond, I expect you to upgrade." --Dennis Miller

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Volker Tanner)
Subject: Re: HELP! restore deleted files?
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:29:02 GMT

On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 23:58:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Richard j. Freedman) wrote:

>Do to some gross stupidity I just deleted about 90% of my home directry.
>Are there any programs out there that would allow me to recover them?

AFAIK no.

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From: capai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: iBCS in 2.2.10
Date: 12 Jul 1999 08:30:58 GMT

in 2.2.10 kernel.
i am trying to install iBCS-2.1-981105 so i ftp(ed) its sources from 
ftp.cdrom.com... 

compiling iBCS.. 

make 
make install 

after installing the compiled iBCS i issued a 'depmod -a' which returned 

modprobe: not an ELF                                 
/lib/modules/2.2.10/misc/IBCS: unresolved symbol(s) 

why???? how do i solve this??? 

thnx... 


.c.a.p.a.i. 

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From: De Messemaeker Johan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:00:34 +0200

"Fredrich P. Maney" wrote:

> : Our farmers feed the US
> : = population and 25% of the rest of the world. The American people
> : = freely give of their time and money to those less fortunate.
>
> : And people from other countries DON'T?
>
> Not in anywhere near the numbers that the US does they don't.

So why aren't you paying your contributions to the UN then ?


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From: Tuomo Louhivuori <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: sin + cos in C
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:11:00 GMT

Hi to all,

I have this problem with sin and cos in C. Am I missing something in the
code or is it my system (RH6.0)?

Example:

#include <math.h>

int main()
{
    double x;

    x=sin(M_PI);
    return(0);
}

Returns something like "undefined call to funtion sin". Added
declaration double sin(double x); but it didn't help.

What am I missing here? M_PI from the math.h works, so how come the sin
and cos doesn't.

TIA,

Tuomo



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From: Jean-Yves Toumit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: finger : more info (who)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:45:49 +0200

Another thing is that "who" tells exactly the same thing.
Looking at the man page for "who", I stumbled upon a file
named "utmp" (which is supposed to be in /etc, says the
man page but which is in /var/run on my RH 6). This file
is a binary file.
So my new question is : how can I remove this "fake login"?

Thanks!

-- 
Jean-Yves TOUMIT
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://rfv-pc28.insa-lyon.fr
ICQ:36936256

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From: George Hicken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: exporting AIX display to Linux
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 08:01:19 GMT

I am wondering whether it is possible to export an AIX display (GUI) to
linux (are the X servers compatible?).

tia for any help

--
George Hicken
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 462051


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From: "R.K.Aa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: bttvgrab 0.15.4 - compile trouble
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:43:10 +0200

Has anyone managed to compile bttvgrab lately? I'm in the mood for a
clue.

after some missing files from older glibc versions I finally got it
ALMOST to compile...till it screwed up on what seems like an internal
path error?

what happens with putvlc.o here...is it that it never makes it to /tmn
(cause it sure doesn't) or is it because it was supposed to be found
there? (there IS such a file in /libgrab after make fails, size 29688)

ar: tmn/putvlc.o: No such file or directory
make[1]: *** [libgrab.a] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/stuff/bttvgrab-0.15.4/libgrab'
make: *** [libgrab.a] Error 2

There's a handful other not so good looking errors before this too, but
nothing too fatal.

K.

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From: Peter Caffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux vs. Unix
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:18:26 +0800

Chris Raper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 04:15:00 +0800, Peter Caffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>I think you'd be surprised. A lot of ISPs will supply UNIX gateway type
>>machines. They tend to be low spec PCs (old 486s) since all they're
>>really doing is managing a small proxy server and the dialup networking
>>connection, perhaps even manage email for the company. Linux would handle
>>these tasks pretty easily. A current-day SCO on a 486 would not handle
>>these tasks well at all.

> I have never heard of ISPs using 486s but then again I haven't done
> much except set up dial-up accounts on PCs. 

I should make what I meant a bit more clear, though. Some ISPs will supply
a PC running Linux to corporate customers who want to hook up their LANs
to the Internet. A 486 system with Linux running Squid (a WWW proxy cache),
and perhaps even a Usenet server and Fetchmail+Sendmail works fine. 

> Sounds like a good use for
> one and I guess Linux would be a good choice here. SCO OS5 wouldn't
> handle this spec at all well - and you would have to fork out a lot of
> money to buy it.

Yep. There's a lot of talk about scalability of UNIX platforms. Usually,
they're talking about whether an OS makes good use of higher-grade CPUs
and multiple CPUs to scale upwards. However, I also reckon that being
able to use low spec machines as easily as higher spec ones is also an
important thing :).

> Sure - familiarity is a big factor. Though I am pretty sure SCO
> requires less technical knowledge and would install tighter using
> defaults settings. A lot of these 'easy to install' flavours dump so
> much software down that you can easily lose 500+Mb if you don't trim
> it down.

This depends on your familiarity with the systems. Debian (the Linux
flavour I use) allows you to choose from a number of different "profiles"
which are defined by the typical use of the machine. However, you can
also do as I did and just ignore that completely and select packages
on your own.

For people new to Linux, I'd suggest being prepared to install it two
or three times to get a feel for what's available. Then, when you do a
more permanent installation, you'll know better what you need and what
can be ditched.

>>IME, Debian's package management systems really are far superior to SCO's
>>upgrading methods. A greater number of upgrade source options (FTP, CDROM,
>>etc).

> I will see if we can get hold of a copy. To be fair to Caldera (the
> flavour I have been using most), its LISA program isn't bad but it
> just doesn't hold a candle to 'scoadmin' and 'custom'. Though the way
> SCO changed the user interface when they went from 3.2.4.2 -> OS5 is
> _really_ annoying and totally un-intuitive (IMHO).

I've mostly used SCO OS5, myself. Maybe I'm judging on the basis of the
unintuitive version ;).

> Mmm the "It's IBM and Microsoft - it must be good" syndrome. 

I don't think there's anyone who thinks that Microsoft is actually 
*good* ;), but, I think there's a feeling in management circles that
it's a non-risky decision to make. Besides, you can hire monkeys who
can click mice and look like they're making it work.. and most managers
like short-term "solutions" like that ;).

>>It also helps that, in general, the support you get from SCO is.. um.. 
>>really not worth mentioning, if what I've heard about them is true ;).

> Never had to use their support - it has always worked :-)

Ah, in my previous job, the software developers had all sorts of dramas
getting technical specs from SCO as to whether such and such was broken
in whatever release.. 

> The only time I had a real problem (with Free SCO at home) I used the
> SCO newsgroup on Usenet and got everything sorted through that. 

They connect to the net for email only with UUCP, so Usenet was a luxury
they didn't have. SCO's support was important for them.

> Mmm - never use it - I always flip it into character mode. This also
> comes as a result of having to administer these boxes over 28k modems.

I never used it at work, either ;). But, playing around with it at home
was nice. The X11 interface was pretty and their layout functional. But,
on that 486, it was frustrating as anything waiting for it ;).

> True - but to me that make a lot of difference. When my boss is
> looking over my shoulder saying 'can we install this tomorrow' I can
> be reasonably sure that there won't be problems. With Linux I just
> haven't got that 'good feeling' yet. :-)

All in all, it's familiarity again :). 

I have a lot of respect for people who can manage their SCO boxes properly,
actually. The people at my former workplace, who should have been able to,
given that they'd been working with them for years, were used to the idea
of the SCO server crashing multiple times on a Friday, ping flooding the
network with garbage, etc. I'd then point to the uptime of my Linux boxes
providing terminal support, Samba shares, Netware support, etc, and grin. 

Take care.

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From: "FTO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: staroffice
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:04:26 +0400

How do you register for staroffice 5.0 in order to get a key for the setup.
I went to there site www.stardivision.com but could not find anywhere to
register for this product. There was only a download for 5.1.

Maybe somebody can point me in the right direction.


Thank you


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From: Mark Tranchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: sin + cos in C
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:29:29 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You need to sompile in the maths library:

gcc -o sin_test sin_test.c -lm

===========================^^^
this bit instructs the compiler to link in libm.

Mark.

Tuomo Louhivuori wrote:
> 
> Hi to all,
> 
> I have this problem with sin and cos in C. Am I missing something in the
> code or is it my system (RH6.0)?
> 
> Example:
> 
> #include <math.h>
> 
> int main()
> {
>     double x;
> 
>     x=sin(M_PI);
>     return(0);
> }
> 
> Returns something like "undefined call to funtion sin". Added
> declaration double sin(double x); but it didn't help.
> 
> What am I missing here? M_PI from the math.h works, so how come the sin
> and cos doesn't.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Tuomo

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trond Eivind Glomsr�d)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Dell Inspiron compatibility?  What is best laptop?
Date: 12 Jul 1999 11:37:22 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Serban-Mihai Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> However, the new I3500 makes use of a dreaded Neomagic MagicMedia
> chipset; not only it's not supported by the XBF_ servers for
> Neomagic

It is. As well as XFree.

>but it has also some unsupported hw for the sound system. AFAIK, for
>the time being there is no way for making the sound work.

It works most of the time with OSS - there are also multiple mini
how-tos on getting it to work with the standard linux sound driver.

I run a 3500, and it works well.

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From: De Messemaeker Johan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:03:47 +0200


"Paul D. Smith" wrote:

> Hmm.  So you're saying that without any participation by any country on
> one side of the world, it's still a _world_ war?  Nice, very nice.

That's not what i said. WOII was on three continents and there were a lot of
country's involved ...

> Or, put another way, would you call a war that didn't involve _any_
> European countries a world war?  Uh huh.

Personally, i would if the area was big enough ...


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Kendrick)
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.misc
Subject: PROGRAMMING: cgi-util C library released
Date: 12 Jul 1999 09:00:20 GMT

cgi-util is a C library which allows you to quickly and easily create CGI
(Common Gateway Interface) programs.

As of the new 2.0 version, cgi-util has been completely redesigned.
It has a new, more consistent API (programming interface), complete
error checking, and, most importantly, it's more secure.  There's no
more chance of buffer overruns!

There are functions for:

  * Accepting a connection and parsing form data
  * Grabbing a field by its string value...
  * ...by its integer value...
  * ...by its floating point ("double") value...
  * ...and by its boolean value
  * Embeding HTML files
  * Checking strings for correct e-mail syntax
  * Closing up and freeing memory (you should be able to use cgi-util
    as a FastCGI)


For more information and the library itself, visit:

  http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/cgi-util/


-bill!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/

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