Linux-Misc Digest #61, Volume #20 Tue, 4 May 99 18:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: DVD movies on Linux ? (Robert Brashear)
Re: newbie linux questions (Stefan Retta)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Andrew Carol)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Andrew Carol)
Re: No sound playing CD's (James Youngman)
Re: System crash, please help (brian moore)
Star Office Installation ("Duane A. Bielling")
Modem connection craps out (Erin)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Re: Telnet Login as ROOT (Andre Kostur)
Re: Slackware to Redhat Qns. (John Strange)
Re: slow telnet from Win95 to Red Hat 5.1 (mist)
Re: Problem: trying to load linux using the NT loader and LILO (Frank)
Re: DSL modems under Linux (George Hartz)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Andrew Carol)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Andrew Carol)
Re: Netscape Keeps Stalling (George Hartz)
Re: Kernel 2.2.X rpm (Todd Ostermeier)
Re: Problem: trying to load linux using the NT loader and LILO (Frank)
Re: Problem: trying to load linux using the NT loader and LILO (Frank)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Craig Dowell)
Re: How to get KDE to be default login manager? (Gerald Willmann)
Re: viewing Linux Xserver Xfree86 on NT ? ("Larry Brasfield")
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From: Robert Brashear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: DVD movies on Linux ?
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 11:38:09 -0500
John Holmes wrote:
>
> I don't want to watch on a desktop, but it sure would be nice to watch what I
> want on my laptop during those trans-pacific flights every couple of months!
That I could understand, although I would think there would be a very
heavy "squint-degredation factor" using the laptop.
Bob Brashear
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From: Stefan Retta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: newbie linux questions
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 21:19:44 +0200
Albert Goins wrote:
> =
> I have installed Red Hat 5.1 on my new machine after not having a
> machine to put Linux on for 3 years. A lot has changed in that time an=
d
> I have a few questions I am having trouble finding answers to.
> =
> 1. Why doesn't LILO work?
> I have windows 98 on an 8.4 GB /dev/hda and installed redhat on an
> 8.4 GB /dev/hdc (my cdrom is on /dev/hdb). They are both ultra dma.
> When I install LILO on my MBR it breaks. The computer boots and then
> gives an endless stream on 0101010101 on the screen and I have to
> reboot. Restored the MBR with fdisk /mbr and am now using a boot disk,=
> but I would really like LILO to work.
> =
> 2. Will my Creative Labs 3D Blaster Banshee AGP 16 meg video card work=
> with X? Quake?
> This one is pretty self explanatory. BTW, I have a Pentium II with=
> 128 meg RAM and an Asus P2B m/b.
> =
> 3. Why won't my windows 98 drive mount to /win98 like I told it to?
> How do I do this other than using disk Druid in the Red Hat install?
> What about my cdrom (IDE)?
> =
Hi
1. With Lilo I have almost the same Problem here, but I get a stream of
0404.. (It=B4s an 386
with a seagate drive which worked just fine with lilo ?!?)
2. With the Banshee Chipset you=B4ll get trouble because there is just an=
experimental X-Server
which works not perfect :-( =
3. Try to edit your fstab. Perhaps you have to load the vfat module
before mounting the Win98
Partition
Stefan Retta
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From: Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:50:58 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Phil Hunt
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Andrew Carol" writes:
> > With billions at stake, we should not underestimate what they would do
> > to stop the loss of revenue from the loss of copyrights.
>
> Let them. I'll continue to use Open Source software, such as Linux.
So will I, but we should not assume that you and I are the world.
There are millions upon millions of people who could care less if they
can get the source.
What matters to them, is can they get the program they want, when they
want it and at a good price. If Open Source is as powerful as you
think, then it will come to dominate on it's own strengths. I see that
coming for OS's development tools, and other vertical markets. I don't
see it happening in the consumer software space.
Oh well....
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From: Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:47:13 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Phil Hunt
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thus upping the price of proprietary closed source software, and making
> open sourcem ore attractive in comparison.
That assumes that both are available for all categories of software.
Where open souce is available and decent quality, it will do very well
(as Linux proves). But there are enourmous markets where the software
takes a large investment to make and update (Tax preperation software
comes to mind). I don't see a large open source movement in that kind
of area.
Open source is a wonderful model and is "right" for many kinds of
software, esp developer and server type software. But the average
consumer could care less if they can get the source, they want a good
product, and often times a proprietary company can react to market
pressures quicker and do very well.
> This means they sell fewer
> copies, thus they have to raise the price even more, thus they sell
> fewer copies... eventually this will restrict close source into a
> few small ghettos with open source dominating the market.
Yes and capitalism will wither away any day now...
Oh well....
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From: James Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: No sound playing CD's
Date: 02 May 1999 10:17:06 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I'm a newbie and I've followed the procedure as far as configuring
> my sound card, and can hear the sound sample given, but when I
> attempt to play a CD I'm getting no sound. Any help would be
> appreciated, thanks in advance...
Make sure that the audio cabe that comes out of the back of your
CD-ROM drive is connected to the correct input of your sound card.
Also use a mixer program to make sure that the CD-audio level is not
set to zero, and that the CD-audio input is not muted.
If your CD-ROM drive has a headphone socket, at the front, use that to
make sure that the drive actually is playing the CD.
--
ACTUALLY reachable as @free-lunch.demon.(whitehouse)co.uk:james+usenet
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: System crash, please help
Date: 4 May 1999 17:21:13 GMT
On Tue, 04 May 1999 03:17:18 GMT,
soane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can someone explain this crash to me? This system has been rock solid since I
> built it about four months ago. I was reading news in SLRN when I noticed the
> system acting strange: junk started showing up in SLRN in an xterm and a text
> console. vi gave a segmentation fault one second and worked the next.
>
> I don't know what the following log is telling me. Does this look like a
> hardware problem or something else?
It looks like RAM to me.
This is what it happened to be executing, but it is quite likely
irrelevant (it just happened to be here when enough bits corrupted
through time had gotten the system horribly confused -- sometimes it
will be alive enough to be able to complain, sometimes it will just die
in silence, sometimes it will be only in user space and only user
applications will die, sometimes it will be in the kernel and you're
at least partially screwed).
When vi happened to cross through a bad portion of RAM it died. When it
was lucky and sitting in good RAM it worked. It died (and the kernel
eventually puked) because it was no longer vi, but vi with random bits
changed. The kernel was no longer the kernel, but the kernel with
random bits changed. That tends to break things.
See http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ for more details.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: "Duane A. Bielling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: ms.linux
Subject: Star Office Installation
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 11:22:06 -0500
Hello,
What is the executable for Star Office?
I'm a Linux newbie so I may be missing something fundamental. Please
bear with me. I've installed Star Office but don't know how to start
it. Here's what I did.
After making some more harddisk space on another drive, cfdisk, e2mkfs,
and installing (all in X started from my user account but implemented
from a superuser shell) I now know not how to start Star Office. What I
*did* do was to invoke "/apps/StarOffice/bin/soffice" (from my user
account) which ls says looks like this:
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2320 Nov 16 00:00 /apps/StarOffice/bin/soffice
My first thought was that I didn't have the user privileges and that I
needed to run chmod. But if that were so, whatever ran shouldn't have
run. I don't remember the details but it essentially said that the
installation was repaired, or something of that nature.
So I really have three, no four questions:
(1) What is the executable for Star Office?
(2) How do I tell what mode a file is in for each user/group (4,2,1)?
(3) Do I need to run, say "chmod 111 <executable>" to get it going?
(4) Is there anything else I'm missing?
Thanks heaps! Hope y'all don't mind the cross-post. If you do don't
hesitate to tell me. ;-)
Take care,
Duane
--
Duane A. Bielling
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.datasync.com/~bielling
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From: Erin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Modem connection craps out
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 02:06:01 -0700
I was having this problem with my modem and hoping that some people here
might be able to help. I have a 33.6 modem and I can dial my ISP and
connect ok. I can even browse web pages ok but when I try to d/l larger
files via ftp or http the connections start off ok but slowly die out
until the programs time out and then it reconnects and goes fine for a
while then it slowly drops off. Is there anyone who can halp me out?
thanx,
Erin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:02:53 -0700
On Tue, 04 May 1999 12:29:57 -0700, Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> So? Free Software doesn't have to live and die by the market.
>>
>> That's it's prime utility. It's really the only other sort of
>> thing in the same position as WinDOS (immune to market pressure).
>
>It doesn't live or die by the market, but it's revalence does go with
>the market. Unused Free Softare is neat, but has no impact on the
>world.
It always exists as intellectual capital. In that respect,
it's never irrelevant.
>
>To succeed, Free Software must compete for consumers interest. This
>can be based on cost, quality, features, etc. If it doesn't compete,
>it will become simply irrelavant.
Free software doesn't need to 'succeed'. It merely is.
It exists to service some need, not be and end goal
unto itself. This is the problem with proprietary wares.
They exist more to perpetuate themselves than to solve
consumer problems.
In the end, there are more greedy consumers that don't
want to pay versus the relative few producers that want
everyone to pay them. Software will still get written
merely because there are interesting things left to be
done.
--
Microsoft subjected the world to DOS until 1995. |||
A little spite is more than justified. / | \
In search of sane PPP Docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andre Kostur)
Subject: Re: Telnet Login as ROOT
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:54:45 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Christopher Mahmood
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>well, it's only a little bit better than telnetting and su-ing to root.
>our campus is so overrun with packet sniffers running on windows
>it's scarry.
>-ckm
Time to install SSH. Everything's encrypted that way. You can also do port
forwarding through it and encrypt FTP, POP, etc...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Strange)
Subject: Re: Slackware to Redhat Qns.
Date: 4 May 1999 16:58:20 GMT
added the following to /etc/bashrc
alias ls="ls --color"
fortune -a all
Cannot help on backspace key, I have mine set to delete.
root ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I am giving Red Hat 6.0 a shot. I really really miss Slackware, though.
: I have a few question that might hopefully make the transition easier:
: 1. Why does my "Backspace" key no longer work?
: 2. I really did like the colored text mode that Slackware offered, where
: different types of files might be differentiated oby color. Red Hat
: Shows all grey, much like MSDOS. Is there a way to change this? The same
: goes for Color Xterm.
: 3. I also loved the Fortune cookies I got on startup. Is there something
: analagous to that here?
: I must say, RedHat is neat too. I just gotta finish exploring it.
: Any Answers would be GREATLY appreciated.
: Allen
--
While Alcatel may claim ownership of all my ideas (on or off the job),
Alcatel does not claim any responsibility for them. Warranty expired when u
opened this article and I will not be responsible for its contents or use.
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From: mist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: slow telnet from Win95 to Red Hat 5.1
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 15:45:55 +0100
Reply-To: mist <new$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
John Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribed to us that -
>We have a computer lab with 9 Win95 computers and one recently switched
>to Red Hat Linux.
>The windows computers are running a free x-server which the students
>launch after logging
>into a telnet session on the linux box. When telnet is launched it
>sometimes takes up to a minute
>to get the login prompt. At other times it only takes a couple of
>seconds. Users can log in fine once
>the finally get a prompt. Any suggestions where to start looking? The
>/etc/hosts , /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny are all empty.
>
You could look this up under "problems to be asked the most times on
*linux* newsgroups. 8-) Anyway, you've almost answered your own
question by saying that /etc/hosts is empty. At the very least you
should have
127.0.0.1 localhost
in there. For the telnet to be speeded up you need to put the IP
address and name of the windows box in there too. EG
192.168.1.1 linuxbox
192.168.1.2 windowsbox
HTH
--
Mist.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank)
Subject: Re: Problem: trying to load linux using the NT loader and LILO
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:56:17 GMT
On Tue, 04 May 1999 10:34:01 -0400, Yan Seiner
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Your Linux boot partition is on the third physical HD and in the third
>partition?
it goes like this:
primary master: first physical hd
primary slave: cdrom
secondary master: second physical hd
secondary slave: cd writer
the linux partition is on the second partition of the second physical
hd.
>
>Frank wrote:
>>
>
>> Now, when I look into bootsect.lnx I find nothing in there.??
>> I created bootsect.lnx this way: logged as root in linux using "dd"
>> like this:
>> dd if=/dev/hdc3 of=/bootsect.lnx bs=512 count=1
> ~~~~
>
>Yan
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From: George Hartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: DSL modems under Linux
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 21:16:47 +0000
M Sweger wrote:
>
> : You need to watch that. Many, if not most, internal DSL modems
> : (especially ADSL modems) are actually DSL *win*modems. Most of the DSL
> : crap happens in software, just like winmodems, and as such won't work
> : now or ever under Linux.
>
> : Good idea with DSL is to stick to ethernet-interfaces on external units.
>
> Which DSL,SDSL,ADSL,RADSL etc etc manufacturers make modems that aren't
> win-modems underneath? I doubt if the box will explicity state it. Is
> there something to look for I.E. a chip which will serve as an indicator?
>
> --
> Mike,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I couldn't tell you. If in doubt, buy at a place you can return it.
I think you're definately just best off with an external unit with an
ethernet interface. Then you'll know it works.
- George
--
email:[EMAIL PROTECTED];url:www.bangsplat.org;uin:153182;aim:tgd98
GCS$/GP/GS/GFA>$ d- s+: a- C++++$ UL++++$ P+++$ L+++$ E- W++>$ N+@ !o
K+++ w--- !O M-@ V PS+ PE Y+ PGP t-(+) 5- X++ R-(--) tv+ b+++ DI++ D+
G+ e* !h r y++
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From: Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:23:10 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Phil Hunt
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Andrew Carol" writes:
> > People would scream. There would be talk of boycotts.
>
> And lots of people would move over from BillyShit Bloatware to Linux.
You make the common mistake of thinking that you are the typical case.
"Linux must be the most popular. Everyone I know is using it."
My mom has a PC and runs Windows 98. She loves it. (I think she's
nuts). If it turned out her PC had a dongle built in and MS Office
required it, she'd never even notice or care.
My point is that most people will simply go with the flow. If the
dongle were built in, and software was "activated" while registering
on-line, most people would not care. The only people who know enough
to care are a very, very, very, tiny minority.
Oh well.....
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From: Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 14:14:22 -0700
In article <7gnk3q$2h1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roger Espel Llima
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If vendors know the key to encode, then you do too (unless you posit
> secret channels between Intel and every software vendor, which wouldn't
> remain secret very long anyway).
>
> Or if they use public key crypto, you could create your own key pair,
> give one key to the software vendor, and decrypt with the other.
1 - Person buys software which is encrypted by vender.
NOTE - Vender may change keys frequently.
2 - Person registers software on-line.
3 - CPU provides ID of CPU to vender.
4 - Vender passes that to Intel via web channel.
5 - Intel returns CPU's public key.
This prevents spoofing. Intel knows all id->public key pairs
6 - Vender uses CPU's public key to encode software decode key. Give
this to the user.
7 - User writes this "magic" value to hardrive.
8 - When run, the CPU reads the "magic" value, decodes with private
key, and now obtains the software decode key.
9 - Software runs, even kernel level code can't see the actual key, or
the actual decoded binary.
Oh well......
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From: George Hartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Netscape Keeps Stalling
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 21:19:20 +0000
jik- wrote:
>
> Ed Cogburn wrote:
> >
> > Carl Davis wrote:
> > >
> > > I have tried three different isps :(
> >
> > My bet is Netscape itself is the problem. Netscape, regardless
> > of version, hangs on a number of people with no obvious
> > explanations.
>
> Right, a neat trick I learned is to wiggle the mouse in Netscape's
> window....seems Netscape hangs waiting for X events sometimes for some
> reason.
>
> Also Netscape likes to Bus error a lot. Turning off Java brings down
> the frequency quite a bit, but it still happens and often you have to
> reboot to get it back, or run it in gdb.
>
> This type of question comes up once every other
> > week on the Debian Linux user list. I heard about one specific
> > problem discovered by Linux users that will solve the problem for
> > some people, but that fix won't show up until the next version
> > (4.52?).
Ummm... my netscape crashes all the time, and I've never rebooted this
system except for kernel updates, so you certainly don't need to reboot
to fix it.
You shouldn't ever need to reboot under Linux unless you've replaced
your kernel.
try these commands:
man kill
man killall
If netscape doesn't start up, its likely because its actually still
running and the window is the only thing that crapped out.
Just kill it. If need be, do a kill -9
- George
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email:[EMAIL PROTECTED];url:www.bangsplat.org;uin:153182;aim:tgd98
GCS$/GP/GS/GFA>$ d- s+: a- C++++$ UL++++$ P+++$ L+++$ E- W++>$ N+@ !o
K+++ w--- !O M-@ V PS+ PE Y+ PGP t-(+) 5- X++ R-(--) tv+ b+++ DI++ D+
G+ e* !h r y++
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From: Todd Ostermeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.2.X rpm
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 12:58:30 -0500
On 4 May 1999, Johan Kullstam wrote:
: Todd Ostermeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:
: > Precompiled kernels in general are a Bad Idea (tm). The only real use
: > they have are for installation or rescue disks.
:
: there's the ever popular normal `boot' as well. you need a compiled
: kernel for that too. ;-)
Ah, but the difference here is pre-compiled (aka, somebody at redhat
compiled a generic kernel and stuck it in an rpm) and compiled (you
compiled a kernel specific to your machine that may or may not work on
other machines depending on what you compiled into it). The normal 'boot'
should be done with a kernel you compile specifically for your machine
(okay, you have to boot with the install kernel after you first install
the machine, but kernel recompilation should be high on the list of things
to do after you install). Which again leads me to say that rpm'ed kernels
are bad.
________________________________
Todd Ostermeier
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~ostermer/index.html
ICQ UIN: 2253928
A-723
________________________________
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank)
Subject: Re: Problem: trying to load linux using the NT loader and LILO
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 18:03:55 GMT
>it goes like this:
>primary master: first physical hd
>primary slave: cdrom
>secondary master: second physical hd
>secondary slave: cd writer
>
>the linux partition is on the second partition of the second physical
>hd.
ooops, actually the linux partition -/dev/hdc3 - is on the third
partition (a linux swap is the second partition, and an extented dos
occupies is the first partition of that drive)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank)
Subject: Re: Problem: trying to load linux using the NT loader and LILO
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 18:06:53 GMT
On Tue, 04 May 1999 11:20:27 +0200, **Nick Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>The way NT multi-boot works when you choose a non-NT option, is to load
>the 512-byte file you specify (BOOTSECT.DOS by default, if you give no
>filename) at the same memory location (just below 32K in real mode,
>IIRC) as the BIOS would have loaded it, had it been the actual boot
>sector. Then it jumps to it. At that point, your boot procedure has no
>way of knowing if it was called from NT's boot - you get a completely
>fresh big bang, as it were.
>
>The source (if=) for the dd command should be the parameter to "boot="
>in /etc/lilo.conf. The resulting file should have the word LILO round
>about byte offset 6.
I give the same parameter "/dev/hdc3" as a source to dd which the same
as the value to "boot=" in lilo.conf. But the resulting file seems to
be empty when I look at it, in any case nothing happens when i try to
boot using it.
do you know of another way to create an effective bootsect.lnx?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craig Dowell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: 4 May 1999 21:34:19 GMT
>Well, In My Arrogant Opinion(TM), you must be at least a bit biased
>towards general nuttiness to *become* a libertarian to start with.
>
>That ideology is plain silly in my book. Most ideologies are plain
>silly, that is -- my way of looking at the world is not ideology-based
>but largely my own knitting.
All the major political parties are full of nuts of one flavor or another.
All the major political parties have a kernel of a good idea; they just
seem to me to go way overboard. I think the central idea of basically
having the government leave people be, unless they're hurting someone
else, is a good one. Where the Libertarians lose me is when they talk
about pretty much shutting down *all* government, including national
defense, public health, etc. But the Republicans lose me when they go
overboard in their religious overtones; and the Democrats lose me when
they go overboard about taxing everyone to death so they can experiment
on poor folks.
What's a reasonable person to do?
P.S. I don't know what this has to do with the newsgroups; but I'll
try and keep it on subject, at least tangentially, with the following:
Linux ~ Libertarian
Mac ~ Republican
Windows ~ Democrat
Linux is Libertarian because you can do whatever you want with it, and
nobody's gonna get any money out of you for it.
Mac is Republican because it has its strictly enforced religion and only
its high priests in Cupertino are allowed to decide what goes.
Windows/PC is Democrat since it lets you do pretty much whatever you want
with your computer, tries to be all things to all people, doesn't do
anything really well and tries to get all the money in the world sent to
Washington.
:-)
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From: Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.kde
Subject: Re: How to get KDE to be default login manager?
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 10:16:49 -0700
On Tue, 4 May 1999, Steve D. Perkins wrote:
> Sigh... I should hope you have an "/opt/kde" directory... this is the
> default where KDE installs itself. If that isn't there then God only knows
> where all your KDE files are scattered out to... and I'd probably rather
> format and re-install from scratch than have to screw with it in great
> depth.
if you don't have kde under /opt then use locate or find to search for kde
on you system. God only knows why someone would suggest a format/re-install
Gerald
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From: "Larry Brasfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: viewing Linux Xserver Xfree86 on NT ?
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 18:09:35 GMT
Robin Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <F3CX2.4515$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Larry Brasfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[Which of the following assumptions are false?]
I take your mixture of YES's and NO's to mean
that none of 1-5 were false assumptions.
> >6. If you start MiX in the default way, and set
> > DISPLAY per above, then enter "xterm &" on
> > the Linux console, you get to interact with a
> > Linux shell thru a single window on the Mac.
> > (The assumption is that your MiX setup is
> > OK and the unsolved problem is merely to
> > get a different window/desktop manager
> > to run instead of MiX's TWM look-alike.
>
> If I do all above and then type exec netscape for instanace netscape WILL
> start up on my MI/X system.
>
> If I type exec startx Xwindows starts on my Linux laptop.
The solution is going to be running something
other than startx. That program is responsible
for starting the local X server and a window or
desktop manager of some sort. You want to
start only the client, a destop manager.
The man entry for startx claims that it *sets*
the DISPLAY environment variable rather
than consuming it, so you should not be at
all mystified by what you are seeing.
I suggest you read the startx man entry very
carefully, then the one for xinit. Just for grins,
you might try running startkde with DISPLAY
set as we've been discussing. I am fairly
sure that will then run KDE on your Mac and
the problem will be reduced to figuring out
how to get it to run just as you want.
> Oh bugger... I feel so close and yet so far... Mind you I get this
> feeling ALL the time with Linux.
I get that feeling frequently with all kinds of
computer-related situations on all systems.
What I like about Linux and other documented
systems is that you have some recourse for
self-help rather than just scattering spittle
all over the monitor.
--
--Larry Brasfield
Above opinions may be mine alone.
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