Linux-Misc Digest #61, Volume #21 Sat, 17 Jul 99 12:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Can someone recommend.... (Andrew Arbon)
Re: sound with Netscape (Anita Lewis)
Changing 'issue' & 'issue.net' with Mandrake? (ryan)
Re: Screen Resolution.... (Anita Lewis)
Re: modem (Anita Lewis)
Re: XWindows Problem - HELP !!! (Anita Lewis)
Re: Changing 'issue' & 'issue.net' with Mandrake? (Robert Sheskin)
Re: Adding users via WEB (Coy A Hile)
Re: Changing 'issue' & 'issue.net' with Mandrake? (sunchange lee)
How to see dos-hidden-files in cdrom? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: CIA assassinations (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Re: CIA assassinations (Holy Cow)
Re: Cron Files (Keven R. Pittsinger)
Re: CIA assassinations (Holy Cow)
Re: linx vs hurd (Keven R. Pittsinger)
Re: mt-st and DLT4000 tape drive ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Mounting CDROM (Marc Mutz)
RH6.0 Kernel upgrade question (Dmitry)
Re: Adding users via WEB (Tobias Anderberg)
Help please - want to limit size of user's e-mail on sendmail. (Nico Zigouras)
Problem booting - Redhat ("Vijay Mayadas")
Re: Blanking screen saver ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: XWindows Problem - HELP !!! ("Noah Roberts (jik-)")
Re: GCC Error message (Frank Sweetser)
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From: Andrew Arbon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can someone recommend....
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:17:36 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, William
Wueppelmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>In our last episode (Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:10:43 +0100),
>the artist formerly known as Andrew Arbon said:
>>Hello,
>>
>>Can someone recommend me a good offline news reading program and a good
>>email editor for X windows, please?
>
>slrn is a good newsreader.
I had a (brief) look at that yesterday, but I didn't think that it was
an offline reader. As I am not in the US with free internet access, I
need to read my news whilst not connected. It also seemed to
automatically subscribe me to every NG my ISP carries. I don't want to
have to unsubscribe to 40000 odd NG's.. Is there a way to prevent it
doing that, or did I just misinterpret what it was doing?
Thanks,
--
Andrew Arbon
A bus station is where a bus stops.
A train station is where a train stops.
On my desk I have an NT work station.....
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From: Anita Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: sound with Netscape
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:13:26 GMT
If you didn't get your answer yet, you might try it at
netscape.communicator.unix. I got on that newsgroup through
www.netscape.com following a trail through browsers and support. There
are a few newsgroups listed so check for the unix one.
Anita
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From: ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Changing 'issue' & 'issue.net' with Mandrake?
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 06:51:31 -0400
I just installed the new Mandrake 6.0 distribution (which, by the way,
is very complete, and Is my new favorite over RedHat 6.0, Slackware 4.0,
SuSE 6.1, and OpenLinux 2.2).
I have basically been able to find my way configuring Mandrake, since it
is based on the familiar RedHat dist. However, I cannot seem to make
the login screens change for good. I have edited the files 'issue' and
'issue.net', and if I logout and back in (either with getty or telnet,
rlogin, etc) I can see the successful change. However, as soon as I
reboot, the edited files get wiped out completely and replaced with the
originals.
I have dug through '/etc' with no luck finding any hidden '.issue' (like
in OpenLinux). There must be a script somewhere though - and where are
the original files being stored?
Anyone who has delt with this and can help please e-mail
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks in advance,
Ryan T. Rhea
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From: Anita Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Screen Resolution....
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:35:54 GMT
For sure backup your XF86Config file. I'm assuming that you have
several good modelines in there. You can check to make sure by doing
startx -verbose &> startxlog. Look at startxlog and see what modelines
did not get axed. Those are the good ones.
Then you can go under the hood and edit XF86Config (after backing it up)
and go way down to the screen section and where you see the part that
lists the resolutions - like "1280x1024" "800x600" "600x480" well,
switch them around so that the one you want is first on the list. I
would also check the Virtual below that. If you like virtual then you
might want to make it a bit bigger than your chosen. Or comment it out
or whatever.
Then you go into X and see what you have. At that point, or at the
beginning before you do any of this above, try Ctrl-Alt-+. That should
toggle you through the resolutions you have.
Anita
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From: Anita Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: modem
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:47:23 GMT
Did you try dialing with minicom? You have to setup minicom first to do
it with minicom -s. That's the way I learned to start. After running
minicom and when it says you are connected or spews out a bunch of
unintelligible stuff, do Ctrl A and then just plain Q. This will ask if
you want to leave without resetting your modem. Yes, you do. Then you
do pppd and then try ping some address you know is good. If that works,
then you can do killall pppd and work on automating.
Anita
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From: Anita Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: XWindows Problem - HELP !!!
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:57:08 GMT
Try Alt-Ctrl-+ and see if you have any other resolutions. If you do,
then proceed to change the resolutions around in your screen section as
recommended. If nothing changes when you do the magic command then you
have no other modelines working.
You can do startx -probeonly -verbose &> startxlog and then look at
startxlog after you logout of X. Down at the bottom you will see where
the modelines are that it accepted and there will be reasons for why it
rejected the others. I had to use the Video Timing HowTo to manually
change mine a bit. That is fun!!
I sort of doubt you have other valid modelines if it is reverting to
that resolution. That was the symptom on my machine too.
I'm assuming here that when you configured X you found your card and
Monitor listed. Doing X configuring was a pain for me, but I sure
learned a lot. Was your card listed?
Anita
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Sheskin)
Subject: Re: Changing 'issue' & 'issue.net' with Mandrake?
Date: 17 Jul 1999 07:47:19 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Try /etc/rc.d/rc.local.Look at the end of the
file and you'll see where it is overwritten.
On Sat, 17 Jul 1999 06:51:31 -0400, ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
->I just installed the new Mandrake 6.0 distribution (which, by the way,
->is very complete, and Is my new favorite over RedHat 6.0, Slackware 4.0,
->SuSE 6.1, and OpenLinux 2.2).
->
->I have basically been able to find my way configuring Mandrake, since it
->is based on the familiar RedHat dist. However, I cannot seem to make
->the login screens change for good. I have edited the files 'issue' and
->'issue.net', and if I logout and back in (either with getty or telnet,
->rlogin, etc) I can see the successful change. However, as soon as I
->reboot, the edited files get wiped out completely and replaced with the
->originals.
->
->I have dug through '/etc' with no luck finding any hidden '.issue' (like
->in OpenLinux). There must be a script somewhere though - and where are
->the original files being stored?
->
->Anyone who has delt with this and can help please e-mail
->[EMAIL PROTECTED]
->
->Thanks in advance,
->Ryan T. Rhea
->
->
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Coy A Hile)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Adding users via WEB
Date: 17 Jul 1999 08:09:48 -0400
In article <7momcp$m55$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Darren F. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I want to set up a POP server and allow a user to fill in a Web-based
>form to create his/her own POP account on my Linux box.
> I can not find any information on doing something like this, or even how
>to give a user both telnet and adduser capabilities.
> So, any information and/or direction would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks
>
Running adduser itself would be difficult, or at least a security risk
since it would have to be SUID root. Why not write a script that adds the
user to the password file and creates the account manually. Here's an
a shell of a script that could be run from the console to do such a thing:
#!/usr/bin/perl
print "Enter desired login name: ";
$login = <STDIN>;
# Code would go here to assign UID, GID, and GECOS info
print "Enter desired password: ";
$cleartext = <STDIN>;
# We now need to run crypt() manually to get the encrypted password.
$password = crypt($cleartext, "//"); # We use // as a default salt.
# man crypt(5) for more info
# Code would go here to create homedir and mail drop as necessary
# join all the stuff into an /etc/passwd entry
$entry = join(":", $login, $passwd,$uid,$gid, $gecos,$homedir, $shell)
And append entry onto the end of /etc/passwd.
HTH,
Coy
--
Coy Hile
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Theirs not to reason why; theirs but to do...."
Tennyson, "Charge of the Light Brigade"
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From: sunchange lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Changing 'issue' & 'issue.net' with Mandrake?
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:18:14 +0000
see /etc/rc.d/rc.local you'll get it.
ryan wrote:
>
> I just installed the new Mandrake 6.0 distribution (which, by the way,
> is very complete, and Is my new favorite over RedHat 6.0, Slackware 4.0,
> SuSE 6.1, and OpenLinux 2.2).
>
> I have basically been able to find my way configuring Mandrake, since it
> is based on the familiar RedHat dist. However, I cannot seem to make
> the login screens change for good. I have edited the files 'issue' and
> 'issue.net', and if I logout and back in (either with getty or telnet,
> rlogin, etc) I can see the successful change. However, as soon as I
> reboot, the edited files get wiped out completely and replaced with the
> originals.
>
> I have dug through '/etc' with no luck finding any hidden '.issue' (like
> in OpenLinux). There must be a script somewhere though - and where are
> the original files being stored?
>
> Anyone who has delt with this and can help please e-mail
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ryan T. Rhea
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How to see dos-hidden-files in cdrom?
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:13:22 GMT
> > Does anybody have a clue how to make those files visible to linux!
> > Thanks
> >
>
> Try ls -al, which will show you all the files in a "long listing"
> format. Actually, ls has quite a few options; type "man ls" (no
> quotes) to read more. To scroll through the "man page," use the
> spacebar; to move back, use the [B] key, and to quit, use the [Q] key.
I do see dos hidden file using the method you told me ,,but it seems to
be the problem of mounting type of the cdrom dirver,,I can't see dos
hidden file when mount the cdrom with "mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdd
/mnt/cdrom",,someone told me I can see those hidden file if mount cdrom
driver as SCSI type,,,Do you know how to do this??
thanks..
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 17 Jul 1999 13:18:48 GMT
In article <7mpk1a$dj3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz) writes:
> And you might want to read up on Marxism before you declare it's bullshit;
> it's had enormous appeal for millions of oppressed people so it must be
> doing *something* right.
Maybe making promises that can't be kept?
BTW, christianity also had/has enourmous appeal for millions
of oppressed people. Does that mean it's also doing something
right?
--
Stefaan
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From: Holy Cow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 10:40:27 +0600
Richard Kulisz wrote:
> Oooh, and what the hell does the *government* have to do with
> a revolt *against* said government?
I think he meant that the said government was only a few months old, and
was a result of a rather non-evolutionary development in its own right.
And, unlike the red's enterprise to come, it did have some legality and
was not a result of a putsch.
> There was political debate, but no will to revolt.
> >So Lenin had to arrange this "but they do want to revolt
> >even though they don't" trick with German money and 7 thousand
> >soldiers and to make up propaganda lies later.
>
> Oh, please. Citations? References?
Conquest, for one. I can actually find the page if you want. The german
general staff fed them money all the while in order to destabilize
Russia, which they were at war with. After all, how did Lenin get in
Russia in the first place?
> The problem with guaranteed employment and lack of incentives
> can be solved in ways far better than starving people to death.
Yes, you can shoot them too <g>.
> <rolleyes> That wasn't communism or socialism, it was mere collectivism.
I'm sure the millions of uninvolved people who had been murdered would
care a lot for that argument.
> The idea that the USSR was communist or socialist past 1920 is nothing
> more than propaganda, both Stalin's and Uncle Sam's. Uncle Sam wanted
> to associate communism with totalitarianism while Stalin wanted to
> justify his atrocities.
This one (uncharacteristically) correct. Something to agree on <G>...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keven R. Pittsinger)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.redhat,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Cron Files
Date: 17 Jul 1999 14:41:45 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <fh45m7.ke4.ln@localhost>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart R. Fuller) writes:
> Graeme Geldenhuys ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>: Hi!
>:
>: This also brings me to another question. I was used to creating crons
>: using "crontab -e" for each user, but RedHat seems to be using a
>: different cron system (/etc/crontab) as well as all the /etc/cron.*
>: directories. Which one should I use and what should the users on my
>: system use?
>
> The /etc/crontab file lists entries that are to be run in support of the
> system.
>
> The crontabs in /var/spool/cron, which are manipulated by the crontab(1)
> command are user-specific crontabs.
I've been having some probs with my cron lately. It's been spewing out
email to the root user about every 10-15 minutes:
Return-Path: root
Return-Path: <root>
Received: (from root@localhost)
by jamstar.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00564
for root; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 10:30:00 -0400
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 10:30:00 -0400
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cron Daemon)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cron <root@jamstar> root test -x /usr/lib/cron/run-crons &&
/usr/lib/cron/run-crons
X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/lib/news/bin>
X-Cron-Env: <MAILTO=root>
X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/root>
X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=root>
/bin/sh: root: command not found
I've gone through the files but can't find *anything* wrong. It just
started this this morning.
System here is an AMD k2/300 with 48 megs of RAM and SuSE 6.1 installed
about 2 months ago. Any clues for me?
Keven
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From: Holy Cow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 10:09:49 +0600
Richard Kulisz wrote:
> ...it would
> also be far better if the USA instituted a progressive tax
> system that took from the rich to give to the poor.
I can never figure out this one: why would that be good?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keven R. Pittsinger)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: linx vs hurd
Date: 17 Jul 1999 14:54:15 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Noah Roberts (jik-)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Conway Yee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> > I wouldn't mind being proven wrong next year when:
>> > - Debian/Hurd 1.0 is released, with great fanfare,
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> Followed by an immediate missive from RMS declaring that the true
>> name should be GNU/Debian/Hurd.
>
> No, its all just the GNU Operating System now....or haven't you been
> keeping up on that soap opera?
I haven't been. How long has HURD been under developement now, anyways?
I know for the last couple years I've been hearing "It'll be out Real Soon
Now"...
> Don't know how the hell your supposed to tell the diff when Hurd comes out,
> but whatever I say.
So what makes RMS think everybody's gonna switch to HURD?
Keven
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: mt-st and DLT4000 tape drive
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 13:14:38 GMT
Thanks for the hints, but still no joy.
1) The PowerStor L200 does not have a button to change the density
2) setdensity does not seems to change the density of the tape (or, at
least, mt status reports the same value before and after the setdensity
command)
3) mt status reports density code 0xf0 (unknown), and I am able to write
only 20 GB.
4) When I was able to write 35 GB the density code was 0x1a.
I will do more testing, but if you have any other ideas I would be happy
to hear from you.
F.
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:30:42 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Mounting CDROM
Ken Arromdee wrote:
>
> Is there a way to automatically mount a CD (or a floppy) whenever it is put
> in the drive (not just when you change to its directory), that doesn't
> require Gnome or KDE? (If it's a program from Gnome or KDE but runs
> standalone, that's okay).
> --
Look at www.freshmeat.com and search the archive there. There was an
announcement not more than three weeks ago of such a program.
Marc
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From: Dmitry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RH6.0 Kernel upgrade question
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:42:37 -0700
Hello,
I am doing kernel upgrade RH6.0 2.2.5-15 to 2.2.5-22
on Dell Latitude with Pentium II.
On www.redhat.com there is three groups of upgrade files for the
kernel *i386, *i586, *i686. And *i386 there is like 10 files, and both
*i586 and *i686 each have two files.
As I understand I need *i586 or *i686 ??? But I am not sure which one
exactly I need? and one stupid question - should I use all *i386 and
then *i686(*i586), or only *i686(*i586)
I read the kernel upgrade manual but I still have these questions.
I did the compiling it is compiled without errors but I have a problem
with modules loading and reconfiguring LILO ( I have NT and Linux )
If someone did already this work could you give me simple explanation.
Thanks
Dmitry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tobias Anderberg)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Adding users via WEB
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:18:38 +0200
> I want to set up a POP server and allow a user to fill in a Web-based
>form to create his/her own POP account on my Linux box.
> I can not find any information on doing something like this, or even how
>to give a user both telnet and adduser capabilities.
> So, any information and/or direction would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks
Haven't given this much thought but; couldn't you use a form where the
user fills in the information. Then a CGI parse the infomation and send
it to a "secure" script (or program) which then use 'adduser' to create
the user based on the information he/she entered. The script/program who
creates the user needs to be run as suid root, so careful programming
is needed.
Perhaps this is a bit overkill?
--
tobias
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From: Nico Zigouras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Help please - want to limit size of user's e-mail on sendmail.
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:10:31 -0400
Hello:
I am running RedHat 5.2 and I want to set a limit on the amount of
e-mail users can receive to 3 megs each user. Mail stays in
/var/spool/mail mind you, because people view their mail through the web
and my web e-mail program keeps mail there. So I can't limit size of
home directories. Hopefully I want it so that the system sends them a
warning that they are at limit and new mail will be rejected by the
server.
Any ideas? Thanks so much. Please at least reply to my e-mail.
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From: "Vijay Mayadas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problem booting - Redhat
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:43:31 -0700
I had to shutdown down my Redhat 6.0 system (running on a Dell poweredge
1300) and bypass the usual shutdown -h command.
When I rebooted the system, it came up with:
/dev/sda9: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY: RUN fsck MANUALLY...
It dropped me into the shell and I typed 'fsck'. Nothing happened except the
version of fsck was displayed.
How am I supposed to run fsck?
Any help appreciated.
Vijay
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Blanking screen saver
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 03:26:34 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Adam O'Callaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm fairly new to Linux (Redhat6) and have just done an installation on
> an old computer so that it can monitor the serial output from two Sun
> Sparc's. I've chosen a fairly bare installation and have setup XWin to
> use Fvwm95 by default. OK.. it all works fine, but how do you stop the
> default "blank screen" screen saver cutting in every 10 mins. I would
> like to either stop it permanetly or increase the delay..
if you are using dpms, then the easiest way is to use xset.
-ckm
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Subject: Re: XWindows Problem - HELP !!!
From: "Noah Roberts (jik-)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 17 Jul 1999 03:04:13 -0700
"a1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have Red Hat 5.1 I cannot get the OS to see my Mouse for nothing.
> I have a serial mouse. I went into XF86Config and made sure that the
> necessary entries reflected that fact.
Maybe you entered the wrong data...there are several different
protocols, and if it an MS mouse you have to use gpm.
> Other problem. I cannot get the resolution to be 1024 x 800 . It always
> defaults to 320 x 200.
Right, thats what it does. You have to put the mode you want as the
first entry for that mode. Also during runtime you can hit control
alt pluss.
> This is a pain I really need help. Can you imagine I run XWindows, but when
> I do I cannot see properly and its "hands off the mouse"
Not sure what that means. You probably have the protocol wrong.
Might want to read the FAQ at www.xfree86.org
>
> Help Please I need to navigate and See.
>
> a1
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From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GCC Error message
Date: 17 Jul 1999 11:14:08 -0400
"Derek Scotney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi All
>
> I am running Redhat 6.0 at the moment, and when I try to compile new apps I
> get the following error message when I run './configure':
>
> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot
> create executables.
take a look at the file 'config.log', it should have somewhat more detailed
error messages.
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