Linux-Misc Digest #61, Volume #26 Tue, 17 Oct 00 13:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: RedHat 7.0 Compaling problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: file is *really* tough to delete (Jim Schlemmer)
Re: file is *really* tough to delete (Jim Schlemmer)
Re: RH7 Compatibility with stuff (Rafael - LumesITSupport)
Re: Win2000 - Linux (Eric)
Re: Win2000 - Linux ("Chris")
CANADIAN Shopping tool for computer buyers (Computers-Canada)
Re: Netscape weirdness et al [was: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) (Jean-David
Beyer)
apache w/ dso re-compilation?? ("River Storm")
Search utility (robot) for Linux (Chet Vora)
Re: Netscape weirdness et al [was: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?]
(Jan Schaumann)
Re: ?KDE login/RH 7.0 problem (Robert Lynch)
Re: RedHat 7.0 Compaling problem (Ian Davey)
Re: file is *really* tough to delete (Robert Surenko)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: What is a good graphical mail client? (Richard Watson)
Re: RedHat 7.0 Compaling problem (Hal Burgiss)
Re: Netscape weirdness etc. (Jean-David Beyer)
Ufsrestore ? ("romain")
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Christopher Browne)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RedHat 7.0 Compaling problem
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:45:53 GMT
Whats your error?
--Dave
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> When I compile kernel under RH 7.0 I am getting error but on RH 6.2
it
> is OK
>
> What the problem?
>
> Rafael
>
>
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From: Jim Schlemmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: file is *really* tough to delete
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:34:47 -0400
Cameron Hutchison wrote:
> To remove a file you must have permission to modify the directory
> that points to the file. So, check the perms of /usr/bin to see
> that you can delete from there.
Um, this is being done as root.
-jim
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From: Jim Schlemmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: file is *really* tough to delete
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:40:47 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> As in "compromised"? I'd suggest reloading the entire system to be safe.
> If you mean "Tinkered with a whole lot", that's different.
Indeed, that would be preferable. Unfortunately, this is a remote
system. If something goes wrong in the reload (distinct possibility),
I'd be hosed. Everything has to be done with an eye towards not locking
myself out.
> The closest thing I have experienced is a file which has the "immutable"
> attribute set. The error when you try to delete the file is different
> then:
>
> root@zaphod# touch foo
> root@zaphod# chattr +i foo
> root@zaphod# lsattr foo
> ----i--- foo
> root@zaphod# rm -f foo
> rm: cannot unlink `foo': Operation not permitted
> root@zaphod# chattr -i foo
> root@zaphod# rm -f foo
Yeah, well, like I said:
> [root@rss-cf bin]# lsattr ftpcount
> -------- ftpcount
Also, I've forced an fsck on reboot and that seems to have been clean.
-jim
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From: Rafael - LumesITSupport <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH7 Compatibility with stuff
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:02:38 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have also raid but to be able to use it you will have to recompile kernel with
patch for the chip. But you will probably get Gentus 3.0 linux instalation with
mainboard, which is based on RedHat 6.2 with all patches applied and supporting
ide2 and ide3
Good luck
Rafael
Alim wrote:
> I am very lazy, so am asking anyone if they know of any potential problems
> with this setup (The computer arrives tomorrow and I'd like to be
> prepared...)
> RedHat 7, on a
> ABIT KT7-RAID
> IBM 75GXP (Ultra ATA/100)
> GeForce 2 GTS (I know about this anyway, but anyone with experience of
> workarounds could give me information if they want)
> Netgear FA311 10/100
> SB Live! Platinum
> Pioneer 105S DVD.
> If anyone knows any probs or workarounds, I'd be most grateful to know about
> them...
> thanks
>
> alim
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From: Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win2000 - Linux
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:00:46 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chris wrote:
>
> Hi there,
> Win2000 installed, after this Linux installed. I put Linux in BootManager
> with the file bootsek.lin and an reference in boot.ini.
> After reboot, chosen Linux - black screen. Where can I search the misstake?
> Any idea?
> -Chris
To start with, you can stop multiposting, it's very annoying
Now you can try if you can boot linux with a bootfloppy, then you can
check if your kernel-image is below cyl. 1024
if all of this is correct, you can check if the bootsek.lin you created
is correct.
Eric
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From: "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win2000 - Linux
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:05:54 +0200
Thanx,
My bootsek.lin was fault!
-Chris
"Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chris wrote:
> >
> > Hi there,
> > Win2000 installed, after this Linux installed. I put Linux in
BootManager
> > with the file bootsek.lin and an reference in boot.ini.
> > After reboot, chosen Linux - black screen. Where can I search the
misstake?
> > Any idea?
> > -Chris
>
> To start with, you can stop multiposting, it's very annoying
>
> Now you can try if you can boot linux with a bootfloppy, then you can
> check if your kernel-image is below cyl. 1024
> if all of this is correct, you can check if the bootsek.lin you created
> is correct.
>
> Eric
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From: Computers-Canada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards,misc.forsale.computers.other.misc
Subject: CANADIAN Shopping tool for computer buyers
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:00:19 GMT
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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape weirdness et al [was: Is there a MS Word (or substitute)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:10:39 -0400
Jan Schaumann wrote:
> Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> >John Hasler wrote:
> >
> >> Jean-David Beyer writes:
> >> > Is this a permanent bug in Netscape?
> >>
> >> It's closed source: who knows?
> >>
> >> Why are you trying to use a Web browser for news anyway?
>
> <sig snipped>
>
> >I want one tool that works for e-mail, browsing, and
> >newsgroups. That way, when I am running the browser or the
> >newsreader, I am automatically notified of incoming e-mail. I
> >do not normally care to use /bin/mail or elm for e-mail because
> >they do not render MIME very well (at all). I forget the news
> >reader I used in the old pre-Netscape days (news?) because it
> >does not notice incoming e-mail, etc.
>
> You should use any of the various mail-apps that check your mailbox and notify
> you of incoming mail no matter if you are running a browser, a editor or
> whatever.
All very well, but which mailbox? The one at my ISP that I use most of the time,
or the one at /var/spool/mail/jdbeyer? Even the bash shell can look at the
/var/spool... one, but I would need something fancy to look at the more important
one, the one at my ISP.
> If you use Afterstep, there is asmail. if you use WindowMaker, there
> is WMMail, for gnome and kde there are apps taht you can dock into your panel
> etc etc etc
I use GNOME/Enlightenment. To which application do you refer?
> This way, you don't even need to have your huge bloated NS browser running to
> be notified of incoming mail.
When I am not running Netscape, I do not care if I get incoming mail or not.
Bloated is a relative term; with 512Megabytes of main memory, Netscape takes only
about 3.7% of it, and there is plenty left.
> A decent mail-client is mutt (http://www.mutt.org) - I used to recommend pine
> (http://www.washington.edu/pine/), but some people say it's broken and
> eventually I tried mutt and did like it better.
>
> As mentioned earlier somewhere, as news-readers I recommend slrn and pan
> (http://slrn.sourceforge.net and http://www.superpimp.org, respetively).
>
> As browser I recommend links (http;//links.sourcefourge.net), a text-based
> browser that renders frames and tables. There's no need to run NS unless you
> *really* need those images, and for the vast majority of the time, you just
> don't.
>
> The unix-philosphy is: Do one taks and do it right. Don't use an application
> that brwoses the web, reads news,m reads mail, cooks coffee and crashes all the
> time. Different tools for different tasks.
I suppose you may be right, but It is a pain to learn three tools plus the
auxiliary ones, and to configure them all, in order to do something that I can do
already with one tool that I have configured years ago.
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^ 11:05am up 7 days, 16:43, 2 users, load average: 3.28, 3.24, 3.32
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From: "River Storm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: apache w/ dso re-compilation??
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:14:42 -0500
I need to recompile my apache with DSO support.
To my understanding DSO will allow me to add modules without re-compiling
apache.
I need to install modules for MySQL, PHP, Perl once i get apache to run.
What should i enter for after ./configure ??
thanks
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From: Chet Vora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.apps
Subject: Search utility (robot) for Linux
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:18:31 -0400
Hi all,
Does anyone know of a Windows utility like Webferret/Newsferret for
linux ?
Basically, Webferret is a search utility which searches multiple search
engines for your query. It allows you to customize your query and
results.Newsferret is a similar utility for newsgroups;I regularly use
them on my Windows desktop and I was wondering if there is something
similar for Linux. I searched download.com but couldn't find anything
similar (maybe I missed something).
TIA,
Chet
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Schaumann)
Subject: Re: Netscape weirdness et al [was: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for
Linux?]
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:26:49 GMT
Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>Jan Schaumann wrote:
>
>> Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>> >John Hasler wrote:
>> >
>> >> Jean-David Beyer writes:
>> >> > Is this a permanent bug in Netscape?
>> >>
>> >> It's closed source: who knows?
>> >>
>> >> Why are you trying to use a Web browser for news anyway?
>>
>> <sig snipped>
>>
>> >I want one tool that works for e-mail, browsing, and
>> >newsgroups. That way, when I am running the browser or the
>> >newsreader, I am automatically notified of incoming e-mail. I
>> >do not normally care to use /bin/mail or elm for e-mail because
>> >they do not render MIME very well (at all). I forget the news
>> >reader I used in the old pre-Netscape days (news?) because it
>> >does not notice incoming e-mail, etc.
>>
>> You should use any of the various mail-apps that check your mailbox and notify
>> you of incoming mail no matter if you are running a browser, a editor or
>> whatever.
>
>All very well, but which mailbox? The one at my ISP that I use most of the time,
>or the one at /var/spool/mail/jdbeyer? Even the bash shell can look at the
>/var/spool... one, but I would need something fancy to look at the more important
>one, the one at my ISP.
Use fetchmail to retrieve the mail from your various ISP's to your local box.
Use sendmail (qmail, whatever)to move the mail around on your system. Use
procmail to filter it locally into any number of folders/mboxes/trashcans/
dev\/null etc.
Most mail-monitoring app's can handle several local mailboxes, some even can
handle remote POP or IMAP boxes (I know that ASMail can do that, and I *think*
WMMAil can do that as well).
>
>> If you use Afterstep, there is asmail. if you use WindowMaker, there
>> is WMMail, for gnome and kde there are apps taht you can dock into your panel
>> etc etc etc
>
>I use GNOME/Enlightenment. To which application do you refer?
I don't use any panels, but a quick search on http://www.freshmeat.net reveals
an app called gbox_applet (http://gbox-applet.sourceforge.net/), which seems to
do that. Search around and you'll find more.
>
>> This way, you don't even need to have your huge bloated NS browser running to
>> be notified of incoming mail.
>
>When I am not running Netscape, I do not care if I get incoming mail or not.
>Bloated is a relative term; with 512Megabytes of main memory, Netscape takes only
>about 3.7% of it, and there is plenty left.
>
Of course, it depends on your machine. On my machine, netscape takes a good
chucnk of memory at startup, and it's just plain annoyingly unsable.
>> A decent mail-client is mutt (http://www.mutt.org) - I used to recommend pine
>> (http://www.washington.edu/pine/), but some people say it's broken and
>> eventually I tried mutt and did like it better.
>>
>> As mentioned earlier somewhere, as news-readers I recommend slrn and pan
>> (http://slrn.sourceforge.net and http://www.superpimp.org, respetively).
>>
>> As browser I recommend links (http;//links.sourcefourge.net), a text-based
>> browser that renders frames and tables. There's no need to run NS unless you
>> *really* need those images, and for the vast majority of the time, you just
>> don't.
>>
>> The unix-philosphy is: Do one taks and do it right. Don't use an application
>> that brwoses the web, reads news,m reads mail, cooks coffee and crashes all the
>> time. Different tools for different tasks.
>
>I suppose you may be right, but It is a pain to learn three tools plus the
>auxiliary ones, and to configure them all, in order to do something that I can do
>already with one tool that I have configured years ago.
if that is your philosophy then I won't argue with that, but, no offense, then
you might consider using Windows (or Macintosh, i guess). That's exactly what
they promise.
However, you will loose efficiency. Learning to configure the *right* tools for
the *right* job may take a while, but in the end the result is worth it, IMHO.
Cheers,
-Jan
--
Jan Schaumann <http://www.netmeister.org>
Please add smileys where appropriate.
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From: Robert Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ?KDE login/RH 7.0 problem
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:29:32 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Robert Lynch wrote:
[snip]
> > >Hiya-
> > >
> > >I have a problem with logging in to the KDE desktop with a RH6.2
> > >-> RH7.0 upgrade.
> > >
> > >The KDE login dialog box comes up, and I can enter my username,
> > >but when I am in the password box, it will not accept any input.
Following up on my own post, I found the answer. The password
box APPEARS not to be accepting input, but actually is (this is
different behavior from the one I had been using with RH 6.2,
where the password input was echoed with "*".) If I simply type
away at my passwd, then hit "Go!", I'm logged in. Weird.
Bob L.
--
Robert Lynch-Berkeley CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Davey)
Subject: Re: RedHat 7.0 Compaling problem
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:32:40 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>When I compile kernel under RH 7.0 I am getting error but on RH 6.2 it
>is OK
>
>What the problem?
The version of gcc that comes with RH7.0 can't compile the kernel. I've heard
it comes with a version called kgcc for compiling the kernel, but I've no
direct experience so don't quote me on that...
ian.
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From: Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: file is *really* tough to delete
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:40:14 GMT
Have you tried rm -F ??
Although, I'm not in front of a system right now but it seems to me that
maybe the file is "open" by some process.
If ps doesn't show you anything you may have to boot in single user mode.
What does /etc/inetd.conf look like, anything unusual?
Just a hunch but, have you tried to ssh in and stopping inetd
and then deleting the file?
Make sure ssh is not using inetd before you do that! Telnet does.
I'm not infront of a system, what does ftpcount do?
Jim Schlemmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi.
> I've been trying to upgrade wu-ftp on a 6.0 Redhat system. The system's
> been hacked but I think I've got most things retored to original. In
> trying to install the wu-ftp RPM package, I came across an error that
> said it couldn't rename a file. In checkin this out, I found the
> following:
> [root@rss-cf bin]# pwd
> /usr/bin
> [root@rss-cf bin]# whoami
> root
> [root@rss-cf bin]# which ftpcount
> ./ftpcount
> [root@rss-cf bin]# lsattr ftpcount
> -------- ftpcount
> [root@rss-cf bin]# ls -la ftpcount
> -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7684 Apr 19 1999 ftpcount
> [root@rss-cf bin]# /bin/rm ftpcount
> /bin/rm: cannot unlink `ftpcount': Permission denied
> [root@rss-cf bin]# stat ftpcount
> File: "ftpcount"
> Size: 7684 Filetype: Regular File
> Mode: (0777/-rwxrwxrwx) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/
> root)
> Device: 3,5 Inode: 63188 Links: 1
> Access: Mon Oct 16 13:00:35 2000(00000.00:18:38)
> Modify: Mon Apr 19 09:22:02 1999(00546.03:57:11)
> Change: Mon Oct 16 13:07:01 2000(00000.00:12:12)
> Strangely, I can chmod all I want.
> I've checked the sum's of /bin/rm, chattr, etc. with a good copy of RH
> 6.0 and everything looks good.
> Any ideas about how to clobber this thing?
> Thanks,
> -jim
--
=============================================================================
- Bob Surenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- http://www.fred.net/surenko/
=============================================================================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:07:09 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:51:56 GMT...
...and John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jerry L Kreps writes:
> > I wish this real name policy was universal!
>
> How do you propose to authenticate those "real names"?
You don't. You just make people use a name that looks real. People who
won't accept changing a silly name into a realistic name even if it's
just a pseudonym are obviously anti-Usenet (for lack of a suitable
parallelism to "antisocial") and get plonked.
Works surprisingly well.
mawa
--
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gewesen, und selbst wenn man das Geb�ude abgerissen und in ein
einziges gro�es Wasserbecken verwandelt h�tte, h�tte man keinen halten
k�nnen. [...] -- Murakami Haruki, Wilde Schafsjagd
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From: Richard Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.debian.user,linux.debian.www
Subject: Re: What is a good graphical mail client?
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:30:28 +0100
walt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> My outgoing (smtp) server requires authentication with username and
> password to control spam. So far Netscape is the only linux app that
> I've found that will do that. Any others you know of?
what about installing an MTA (like exim for instance) on your local
system? Then you can use whatever you like.
--
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fax: +44(0)870 706 5282 | ICQ: 65274884
http://www.pwdltd.co.uk | Reg. Linux User #183315 | GPG/PGP 0xA6AB8345
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: Re: RedHat 7.0 Compaling problem
Reply-To: Hal Burgiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:22:00 GMT
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:32:40 GMT, Ian Davey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>When I compile kernel under RH 7.0 I am getting error but on RH 6.2 it
>>is OK
>>
>>What the problem?
>
>The version of gcc that comes with RH7.0 can't compile the kernel. I've heard
>it comes with a version called kgcc for compiling the kernel, but I've no
>direct experience so don't quote me on that...
Yes, that is the purpose of kgcc.
http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/gotchas/7.0/gotchas-7-6.html (gcc)
--
Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape weirdness etc.
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:22:50 -0400
Jan Schaumann wrote:
> Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> >Jan Schaumann wrote:
> >
> >> Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> >> >John Hasler wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Jean-David Beyer writes:
> >> >> > Is this a permanent bug in Netscape?
> >> >>
> >> >> It's closed source: who knows?
> >> >>
> >> >> Why are you trying to use a Web browser for news anyway?
> >>
> >> <sig snipped>
> >>
> >> >I want one tool that works for e-mail, browsing, and
> >> >newsgroups. That way, when I am running the browser or the
> >> >newsreader, I am automatically notified of incoming e-mail. I
> >> >do not normally care to use /bin/mail or elm for e-mail because
> >> >they do not render MIME very well (at all). I forget the news
> >> >reader I used in the old pre-Netscape days (news?) because it
> >> >does not notice incoming e-mail, etc.
> >>
> >> You should use any of the various mail-apps that check your mailbox and notify
> >> you of incoming mail no matter if you are running a browser, a editor or
> >> whatever.
> >
> >All very well, but which mailbox? The one at my ISP that I use most of the time,
> >or the one at /var/spool/mail/jdbeyer? Even the bash shell can look at the
> >/var/spool... one, but I would need something fancy to look at the more important
> >one, the one at my ISP.
>
> Use fetchmail to retrieve the mail from your various ISP's to your local box.
Is fetchmail as difficult to configure as sendmail? I would hate to go through
something like configuring sendmail to get fetchmail working.
If fetchmail puts the stuff from my ISP into my local box, and it is full of graphic
images, such as my sister tends to send me from her digital camera, how do I make
Netscape look at them? Must I manually make it examine
/var/spool/mail/jdbeyer/filename? I refuse to do that.
Also, how do I use my digital signature (S-MIME type, not PGP) with mutt? Can I use
mutt to encrypt e-mail I send to others and decrypt e-mail I receive from others who
use Netscape or Internet Explorer? How about dealing with my on-line stockbroker who
encrypts everything so it will not get hijacked? They refuse to deal with any
browsers other than Netscape 4.** and IE 4*.
> Use sendmail (qmail, whatever)to move the mail around on your system. Use
> procmail to filter it locally into any number of folders/mboxes/trashcans/
> dev\/null etc.
> Most mail-monitoring app's can handle several local mailboxes, some even can
> handle remote POP or IMAP boxes (I know that ASMail can do that, and I *think*
> WMMAil can do that as well).
>
> >
> >> If you use Afterstep, there is asmail. if you use WindowMaker, there
> >> is WMMail, for gnome and kde there are apps taht you can dock into your panel
> >> etc etc etc
> >
> >I use GNOME/Enlightenment. To which application do you refer?
>
> I don't use any panels, but a quick search on http://www.freshmeat.net reveals
> an app called gbox_applet (http://gbox-applet.sourceforge.net/), which seems to
> do that. Search around and you'll find more.
>
> >
> >> This way, you don't even need to have your huge bloated NS browser running to
> >> be notified of incoming mail.
> >
> >When I am not running Netscape, I do not care if I get incoming mail or not.
> >Bloated is a relative term; with 512Megabytes of main memory, Netscape takes only
> >about 3.7% of it, and there is plenty left.
> >
>
> Of course, it depends on your machine. On my machine, netscape takes a good
> chucnk of memory at startup, and it's just plain annoyingly unsable.
>
> >> A decent mail-client is mutt (http://www.mutt.org) - I used to recommend pine
> >> (http://www.washington.edu/pine/), but some people say it's broken and
> >> eventually I tried mutt and did like it better.
> >>
> >> As mentioned earlier somewhere, as news-readers I recommend slrn and pan
> >> (http://slrn.sourceforge.net and http://www.superpimp.org, respetively).
> >>
> >> As browser I recommend links (http;//links.sourcefourge.net), a text-based
> >> browser that renders frames and tables. There's no need to run NS unless you
> >> *really* need those images, and for the vast majority of the time, you just
> >> don't.
> >>
> >> The unix-philosphy is: Do one taks and do it right. Don't use an application
> >> that brwoses the web, reads news,m reads mail, cooks coffee and crashes all the
> >> time. Different tools for different tasks.
> >
> >I suppose you may be right, but It is a pain to learn three tools plus the
> >auxiliary ones, and to configure them all, in order to do something that I can do
> >already with one tool that I have configured years ago.
>
> if that is your philosophy then I won't argue with that, but, no offense, then
> you might consider using Windows (or Macintosh, i guess). That's exactly what
> they promise.
I am not offended. Microsoft offend me, but you have what I consider to be an honest
difference of opinion with me.
> However, you will loose efficiency. Learning to configure the *right* tools for
> the *right* job may take a while, but in the end the result is worth it, IMHO.
I guess we differ there. There are different kinds of efficiency, and efficiency of
hardware use is a low priority with me except when I run compute-limited 6-hour jobs.
I want efficiency of my intellectual effort. I want to learn as little as possible to
get things done. In a former life, I learned as much as possible about the OS I was
using, etc., and it was worse than a waste of time because the undocumented stuff I
learned would be changed at a moment's notice, so it was not really useable. While I
am forced to act as a sysadmin for my machines here, I am not running them for the
purpose of learning to be a sysadmin, but to get things done (which is why I cannot
use Microsoft stuff: I have better things to do than reboot and recover and reinstall
operating systems all the time).
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/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^ 12:05pm up 7 days, 17:43, 3 users, load average: 2.17, 2.17, 2.25
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From: "romain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Ufsrestore ?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:41:19 +0200
Hi,
We have dumped our files from a Sparc/Solaris 2.5 to a DAT DDS3 drive with
ufsdump. We now want to restore some files to a Sparc/Linux system. How can
we do this ? We tried restore -i, cpio or tar on the Linux box but this
gives no solution. Please help , thx....
Romain Raffin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:38:57 GMT
In our last episode (Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:03:17 GMT),
the artist formerly known as Jan Schaumann said:
>Garry Knight wrote:
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Dustin
>>Puryear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Another possibility is to use HTML for true portability, but most
>>> publishing houses will not support that.
>>
>>Most of the word processors I've come across can import and export RTF
>>pretty well. It just depends on how tricky you want to get with using
>>text frames and so on. And, of course, the WP needs to have a good font
>>substitution algorithm. But I believe RTF to be the most portable text
>>format (apart from plain text, that is...).
>
>The most portable document format is PDF (Portable Document FOrmat -
>D'uh). RTF is not half as portable.
PDF is readable using roughly 4 programs; that is not terribly
satisfactory. Note that when interoperability with MS Word is one of
the goals, PDF is a _ridiculously_ unsatisfactory option.
Have you ever tried to load a PDF document into MS Word? I have; the
results Aren't Terribly Satisfactory.
Further question: What application do you use to modify PDF documents?
Adobe Acrobat appears capable of adding _annotations_, but that is a
far cry from _editing_ the documents. In effect, it is a read-only
format.
And this is comp.os.linux.misc, where the goal would be to have an
option that runs on Linux. According to Adobe's web site
<http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/main.html>, the only platforms
on which Acrobat 4.05 runs are MacOS and Windows.
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Violets are blue
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