Linux-Misc Digest #74, Volume #20 Wed, 5 May 99 18:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: multiple X sessions ("Anthony J. Gabrielson")
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Andrew Carol)
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: 2+ Gb RAM ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Shared library error ("Rick Knight")
Re: Change Linux filesystem to Win98 (Martin Schulz)
Re: Mac-emulation on Linux? ("FM")
<linux/linux_logo.h> - how to change image? (Adam Mitchell)
Re: Looking for "cross-platform" RAD tool for linux/Windows95 (Petronius Arbiter)
Re: Scanner stopped working in Linux. Why? (James R. Van Zandt)
Kernel 2.2.7 ("Dirk Demuynck")
Re: ess sound card (John Garrison)
Re: Looking for "cross-platform" RAD tool for linux/Windows95 ("Tom Emerson")
Re: Linux to HP connectivity question (Bob Hauck)
binary files under solaris and linux; perl unpack (John Hunter)
Re: Colors ("D. Vrabel")
Re: soundblaster PCI128/64 ("David Bildstr�m")
Re: The Best Linux distribution? (was Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux)
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Mike Coffin)
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From: "Anthony J. Gabrielson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: multiple X sessions
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 13:39:59 -0400
Hello,
the command is something to the effect of startx :1 if you want x
loaded on the same machine twice. I don't use the command often -
therefore I forget - if your interested send me an email and I'll polk
areound for it. Do you want it to be like sco 7? where you can alt tab
aound to different x's.
Anyway I'll look for the exact command if you send me an email,
Anthony
On Wed, 5 May 1999, brian l wrote:
> Perhaps you're thinking of being able to view a remote machine's X desktop?
>
> Christopher B. Browne wrote in message ...
> >On Tue, 04 May 1999 23:53:55 -0500, Duane A. Bielling
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
> >>Christopher Browne wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Many (most?) window managers offer the ability to switch between
> >>> virtual desktops in one manner or another. Tell us about your
> >>> favorite window manager, and we may be able to tell you how to
> >>> accomplish that which you want...
> >>
> >>I've read about running multiple instances of X in "Running Linux." I
> >>found out that by pressing the Alt+F1 through Alt+F6 keys I can get as
> >>many shells running concurrently. But once I start an X session in one
> >>of them I can't seem to figure out how to get back to one of the other
> >>sessions to invoke a second X session.
> >
> >You probably don't want to invoke a second X session. That would
> >consume memory for the second X server instance, and might even demand
> >a second video card.
> >
> >Far better to simply use multiple "panes" in the terms you use below.
> >
> >By the way, the way to get back to the console is probably to try
> >(control)(alt)-F1 (all pressed at the same time). There seems to be a
> >logic to this; I can't articulate the precise reasoning for adding the
> >(control) to the mix.
> >
> >You can get back to the X session by going to the virtual console that
> >comes "after the last one attached to a login." That is commonly
> >going to be (alt)-F7.
> >
> >>Just an observation from a newbie.
> >>
> >>Oh, I've discovered that in the AfterStep interface that came with RH5.1
> >>I can have four 'panes' per "Desk" and a total of four "Desks." That
> >>gives me 16 different places to store (hide?) stuff. Anything more and
> >>I think I might lose myself. ;-)
> >
> >The number of "panes" is usually configurable, so you may modify that
> >as needed. I think that what you're running there is likely FVWM2,
> >with a bunch of configuration that simulates the AfterStep window
> >manager.
> >
> >>One last thing. As a help to fellow newbies I would like to recommend
> >>two books. Running Linux, 2d ed. (O'Reilly) and Linux in a Nutshell
> >>(O'Reilly). The former is a primer for doing stuff in Linux from
> >>installation to using vi to getting X installed. The latter is a
> >>desktop reference that complements the man pages quite well, IMO.
> >
> >Running Linux is an excellent source to browse through to find "cool
> >stuff to try."
> >
> >>A third book which I have yet to purchase (will be doing so shortly) is
> >>entitled Volume 3: X Window System User's Guide Standard Edition
> >>(O'Reilly). I've been told that O'Reilly is the defacto standard for
> >>publishing quality Linux manuals. IMO they are two for two.
> >
> >When I was last shopping for detailed X guides, it was Volume 3 that I
> >got. It has a goodly mixture of lots of useful info on configuring
> >and using X.
> >
> >There are two editions: one directed at users of Motif, and one
> >directed at those using "not Motif." Given choice, I'd suggest the
> >"not Motif" portion of the series.
> >
> >--
> >Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> >-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to free software today?..."
>
>
>
>
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From: Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 10:42:53 -0700
In article <7gptpq$h4o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roger Espel Llima
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> a company could make millions and millions, by reverse engineering such
> a CPU, extracting the key on just one, buying every software package out
> there with that key, and selling cracked versions of everything for
> cheap.
This disussion was predicated on copyright law going away. I don't
think hardware patent law falls into that. I suppose that Intel could
go after the reverse engineering people on that front.
An invester in such as scheme has to look at the total costs and risks.
This is not something that a bunch of kids will crack. If success
meant the hardware reverse engineering of a modern 64 bit CPU without
the benefit of documentation, and the cracking of an encryption system
where the system actively watches for hardware tampering, then it would
cost tens and probably hundreds of millions of dollars and might just
take a while. It all might even be money down the drain.
I would even bet there are simple counter measures that a CPU vender
could take to make even that not worth anybodies time.
> btw, I'm looking forward to this future of yours. I don't think it'll
> happen, but I sure wouldn't mind it if it did.
>
> one of the very best things that could happen to the free software world
> is for "piracy" of non-free programs to actually became impossible.
I am afraid of this new future. Not because of the piracy aspect (I
would love to have hardware which could enforce a license). But I have
grave privacy concerns.
I don't want Intel to know what I buy and what I run. I would not mind
some scheme that enforced my licence promises, as long as it would be
of no help in others knowing what I buy, from who, and what I do with
it.
However I don't think Intel or the Government have my privacy interests
at heart.
---- Andrew
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows
Date: 5 May 1999 12:54:42 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Richard Caley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>lm> If jobs are starting faster than they are completing (say a web
>lm> server running CGI programs) the result isn't going to be pretty.
>
>Then surely the system should do something about it.
It can, if you set arbitrarily low limits. It won't be getting all the
jobs done in any case. The question is whether you want to refuse
to start jobs at an arbitrarily low limit for safety or try to
let the machine reach a limit that you don't know yet.
>lm> If you aren't running a web server doing 30 or more CGI hits
>lm> a second you may not understand the problem.
>
>I understand the problem, I just don't understand why you don't think
>there should be a solution.
There is a solution, which is to size the hardware appropriately
for the job. However the job is sometimes unpredictable (as in
how many people will visit a particular URL after some particular
promotion) and often will have huge peaks at different times of
the day. Plus, if you are running against a backend server of some
sort you really are depending on it's response time as part of the
equation. The point I am trying to make here is that running
freebsd instead of Linux is not the solution - at least not by
itself. They both roll over and die if you overload them badly
enough. I'd give freebsd a slight advantage in survival if you
are willing to stand by and let a non-responsive server limp along
uselessly long enough but in practice that isn't worth much to me.
Les Mikesell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 2+ Gb RAM
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 17:35:51 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Anatoly Belychook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just pushed second Gb of RAM into the Linux box.
> (Actually I considered upgrading it to 4Gb.)
> Intel SC450NX, dual Xeon, RedHat 5.2, kernel 2.2.3.
>
> Seems that Linux doesn't bother to utilize more than 1Gb.
> Any chance to fix it?
>
> Please help.
> --
> Anatoly Belychook Business Console Ltd. Moscow, Russia
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Business Accounting on UNIX +7(095)269-0032
>
yes it is possible to use more than 1GB of RAM in linux, i have
never done it but it requires the changing of some kernel parameter
and a recompile.
sorry i don't know the specifics, what i really wanted to tell you was that
there was some talk of using the remaining RAM as a ramdisk for a high
speed filesystem or for /tmp. i read this a couple of months ago on the
kernel mailing list and someone had some code, if you can't find info about it
on dejanews or in the newsgroups you can ask on the kernel mailing list as a
last resort.
-brandon
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From: "Rick Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Shared library error
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:00:25 -0700
Help.
I just upgraded my RedHat 5.2 kernel-2.0.36 lap top to kernel-2.2.7.
Everything went well (even using WinNT boot loader). I also installed the
pcmcia-cs-3.0.9 package and XForms.rpm and things still worked. Then I
installed the shlibc.rpm package and now I can't boot Linux, not even with
my emergency boot floppy. I get an error right after "VFS: mounted root
(ext2 filesystem) read only" and then the system just hangs. The error
message is "init: error in loading shared libraries: /lib/libc.so.6:
undefined symbol: _dl_global_scope_end".
Is there a way to get past this error so I can fix it?
Thanks,
Rick Knight ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Martin Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Change Linux filesystem to Win98
Date: 05 May 1999 20:29:19 +0200
"news.nationwide.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> using 'fdisk'. A logical drive is not defined, but 'fdisk' thinks it is and
> therefore won't delete the partition.
Did you read the "DOS 6.x WARNING" in the (linux)fdisk manpage ?
Martin.
--
Martin Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Uni Karlsruhe, Institut f. wissenschaftliches Rechnen u. math. Modellbildung
Engesser Str. 6, Karlsruhe
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From: "FM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.powerpc
Subject: Re: Mac-emulation on Linux?
Date: 5 May 1999 16:48:43 GMT
Steven G. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Like (essentially) all versions of Linux, the Mac Linux distributions run
> X. They also run all the various window managers, desktop environments
> like KDE, GNOME, etc.
Just another related question. Do all macs have one
mouse button or is it that it's so common that I've
never encountered a mac with multiple mouse buttons.
I'm quite used to 3-button Logitech mice that I
find many 2-button mice very limiting and wonder if
I could make use of multiple-button mice on a mac?
If there are some available (which I assume), does
the X windows (and window managers/desktop
environments) make use of the extra buttons? How
does it behave without the extra buttons?
Dan
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From: Adam Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: <linux/linux_logo.h> - how to change image?
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 17:20:56 GMT
I've just enabled the frame buffer kernel option and I want to change the
image. I can see the four arrays in linux_logo.h that make the image but
I can't figure out how to take an image and put it into this format.
Can someone offer a hand?
Thanks,
--AM
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Petronius Arbiter)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c++,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Looking for "cross-platform" RAD tool for linux/Windows95
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 16:50:47 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Al Dev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Do you know of any C++ RAD tool which will work for both Linux and
>Windows95 and solaris.
>There should be no code change between linux, Windows95 and solaris. All
>coding to be in C++.
Unfortunately, there is no such animal and I am not aware of any compiler
vendor who is planning to make one.
John - N8086N
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James R. Van Zandt)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Scanner stopped working in Linux. Why?
Date: 5 May 1999 17:10:06 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Phillip Deackes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have not used my scanner under Linux for a while, then today I
>attempted to do a scan and my Agfa Snapscan 310 just blinked its LED at
>me and did nothing. I use Gimp with SANE. The SCSI card is being
>recognised on bootup as is the scanner itself.
>
>I just wondered if anyone else has noticed anything similar? I am using
>kernel 2.2.6, Sane 0.74-2 and Gimp 1.0.4-1, with Debian 2.1.
Do you have a device /dev/sg1 (or whatever)?
Try the program find-scanner, which is part of the sane package. Does
it find the device?
Check whether /dev/scanner points to /dev/sg1 (or whatever device the
scanner is).
Check the configuration file in /etc/sane.d for your scanner. The
sample HP configuration file had a bogus line "scsi HP". Make sure it
points to /dev/sg1 (or whatever), or else to /dev/scanner.
I hope this helps.
- Jim Van Zandt
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From: "Dirk Demuynck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.setup,linux.act.kernel,linux.redhat.misc,linux.sources.kernel
Subject: Kernel 2.2.7
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 23:23:18 +0200
Hi,
Can someone tell me how to upgrade from RH5,2 kernel 2.0.36 to 2.2.7. I have
the file but do not know how to begin.
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From: John Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ess sound card
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 18:09:27 GMT
Przem Kowalczyk wrote:
> John Garrison in comp.os.linux.misc wrote:
> >I have an ess 1868 audiodrive. I have used sndconfig to set it up
> >properly, but sound does still not work. (it does work for CD audio
> >though, just not in programs)
> >Any suggestions? This card appears to be supported by Linux, am I doing
> >something wrong?
>
> In fact you haven't wrote what you're doing. The best solution is to do it
> manully, with modprobe. Try:
>
> #modprobe sound io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=5
> (use your values)
> And check the output. If it says wrong io, dma, or irq simply change it and
> try once more.
>
I've tried this. It says module sound already installed. So I tryed modprobe
-r sound, then
modprobe sound io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=3 and it still says module sound
already installed
It also says
soundlow: device or resource busy
sound: no such file or directory.
I know I should have stated this earlier, but I guess I was hoping there was a
simple solution for ESS cards.
By the way, In FreeBSD I could get the card working right, but not the mixer,
if I used another driver I could
get the mixer working fine, but the sound wasn't right. Am I going to have
that problem in Linux too?
>
> You can also use ALSA sound driver ( http://alsa.jcu.cz ), which has
> dedicated modules to your sound card. (snd-es18xx)
>
> Przem
>
> --
> The information nation took their clues from all the sound-bite gluttons.
> R.E.M
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From: "Tom Emerson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c++,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Looking for "cross-platform" RAD tool for linux/Windows95
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:39:17 -0700
Petronius Arbiter wrote in message
<7gpsth$rht$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Al Dev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Do you know of any C++ RAD tool which will work for both Linux and
>>Windows95 and solaris.
>>There should be no code change between linux, Windows95 and solaris. All
>>coding to be in C++.
>
>Unfortunately, there is no such animal and I am not aware of any compiler
>vendor who is planning to make one.
metrowerks has just released their IDE for use on the linux platform. The
initial offering is basically a front-end for the gnu compiler, but the next
one out the door is supposed to have their own compiler. Presumably, the
"full IDE" will include RAD tools as well...
you'll get as many people to praise the MW compiler as will attack it, but
it's one of very few that can claim not only cross-platform compatability
with linux/windows, but also macintosh, sega, and nintendo... [or something
like that]
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From: Bob Hauck <b o b h @ w a s a t c h . c o m>
Subject: Re: Linux to HP connectivity question
Date: 05 May 1999 12:46:59 -0600
Jeff Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Currently, I'm using "Reflections for HP with NS/VT" on my Windows
> box to connect to our HP to access inventory/sales and other
> information. Does anyone know of a way to emulate HP's terminal so I
> can access it from Linux?
Have you tried telnet? Last I used Reflections it was just a telnet
with extra terminal emulations. Unless your app uses special keys that
are only on the HP terminal you should be fine.
--
12:45:01 up 71 days, 2:06, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris
From: John Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: binary files under solaris and linux; perl unpack
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 21:56:18 GMT
I have a binary file on an NFS mounted file system which I access from
Linux and Solaris 2.7. When I unpack it, I get different results
(with the same perl code) depending on whether I run the code under
Solaris or Linux. I thought perl would buffer me from these kinds of
problems. What's going on and what is to be done???
Here's a code sample:
#!/usr/bin/perl
open(BINARY_INPUT, '012001.dat');
seek(BINARY_INPUT, 0, 0) or die "seek:$!";
until (eof BINARY_INPUT) {
read(BINARY_INPUT, $record, 10) or die "read binary input: $!";
($ind, $ad1, $ad2, $dig) = unpack("lsss", $record);
print "1: $ind\n2: $ad1\n3: $ad2\n4: $dig\n\n";
}
For background, the data are two's complement signed integers
generated by a quick basic program. There is a single long (4 byte)
integer followed by three short (2 byte) integers and then this
pattern repeats until EOF. The above code unpacks the short integers
correctly under Linux but gives screwy output under solaris.
Tips will be appreciated,
John Hunter
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Colors
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 18:24:01 +0100
On Wed, 5 May 1999, brian l wrote:
>
> D. Vrabel wrote in message ...
> >> I was just wondering if one could change the bpp depth from within X and
> if
> >> so, how?
> >You can't while X is running. You can only change color depth on
> >starting X.
>
> ** This isn't true. If you configure X to use several different resolutions
> and bpp settings (in the XFree86 config file - use a configuration program)
> you can then cycle through them by pressing Ctrl-Alt-+
> So there. :-p
No you are wrong. You can only change resolutions *not* color depth.
> You can however start two X servers (each one on a different VT) with
> >different color depths.
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: "David Bildstr�m" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: soundblaster PCI128/64
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 23:51:09 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev i meddelandet
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I have kernel 2.2.5, one of those soundcards.
>
>When plying mp3 files from disk or cd, the sound
>are very rare. It cuts with a high noice after
>playing.
>
>Any solutions?
>
>
>BTW, when playing music cd's, everything works well.
>
>
>Oyvind
Dunno, however I don't seem to be able to use MIDI or CD-AUDIO... Any clues
why?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: The Best Linux distribution? (was Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux)
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 21:47:49 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> You know, I was just running low on FUD, and then this came up, entirely
> satisfying my reccommended daily consumption.
Darn. I was trying for TROLL, not FUD.
> By your logic, running any computer on any shared network gives "legal
> grounds" to be banned from running any computer on any shared network. The
> argument started out with a good head of steam, but I'm afraid that it's
> merely sophistry in the end.
It's not "my logic". It's a legal warning that has appeared in most versions
of the BPF that I've seen. Since many Linux distributions install the BPF by
default, I've never actually looked at the README files for that platform.
Many universities have policies regarding the BPF, or at least they used to.
In any event, I really don't care much about the legality of the BPF. I was
just making a point. I just wish I could remember what it was.
-Bill
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From: Mike Coffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: 05 May 1999 14:51:43 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Anglesio) writes:
> On 5 May 1999 18:26:19 GMT, Craig Dowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I'm not referring to some ideal model. I was commenting on how a
> >reasonably free market has worked well for us in the U.S; much better
> >than other economic systems. I was making the point that in "markets"
> >where the government is more involved (public schools, defense, etc.)
> >the situation degrades my many measures. In gray areas, where the
>
> On the contrary; the government's big-money development has created
> considerable benefits. The US has near-universal literacy, for example;
> you wouldn't have that (and hence wouldn't have a modern industrial
> economy, much less be moving into the information age) without public
> schools and public universities.
That's pure speculation. "The government did X. Therefore, if the
government hadn't done X, it wouldn't have been done." It's quite
possible that private initiatives might have done it better.
> Defense research initiatives have certainly paid good value when you look
> at their spin-offs, such as the internet, notwithstanding the immense
> amount of money poured into primary research. March's IEEE Computer
> magazine goes into a brief treatment of research models: basically, you
> can have cheap or you can have fast research, but you can't have both. The
> military-industrial complex chose fast. You are where you are because the
> military-industrial complex chose fast.
Maybe. Or maybe instead of a defunct space program that burned out
after 12 years we would have a sustained presense in space. Who
knows?
> Not to mention that the vast amount of grant money firehosed into the
> academy has revolutionized its existence; publish or perish has had some
> very good effects as well as bad ones.
>
> >government insinuates itself by varying degrees of regulation, the
> >situation seems worse the more deeply involved the government gets.
>
> Easy to say from within the cocoon of a highly regulated (and highly
> successful) society. Less may be better than more (or more better than
> less, depending on the situation), but your argument, taken to its logical
> conclusion, would tend to favour none. Not that there aren't many
> countries with little if any governmental interference. They're just not
> very nice places to live, and the residents tend to have short and unhappy
> lives.
Which countries have little or no governmental interference? Most of
the countries where people lead short, unhappy lives are
dictatorships.
-mike
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