Linux-Misc Digest #74, Volume #27 Sat, 10 Feb 01 06:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: WEb Cam for Newbi ("Bob")
Re: Please visit my 3D graphics site (James Richard Tyrer)
Re: WEb Cam for Newbi (Michael Heiming)
Re: WEb Cam for Newbi (Michael Heiming)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Adam Warner")
Re: WEb Cam for Newbi ("Bob")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Stefan Ohlsson)
ftp betwixt windoze and linux? ("Bill Parker")
Re: WEb Cam for Newbi (Michael Heiming)
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From: "Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WEb Cam for Newbi
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:15:57 -0000
Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Could you explain why being no CCD is a good point?
>
> latency - at least on the cheap ones. And, indirectly, frame rate.
>
> > I have a Sony Picturebook PCG-C1VN (Transmeta Crusoe CPU) with a build
in CCD cam:
> > lspci |grep Multimedia
>
> > 00:0b.0 Multimedia controller: Kawasaki Steel Corporation: Unknown
device ff01 (rev
> > 01)
>
> > I regocnized that it needs much light to make good pics, like the other
Sony CCD
> > cams, but have
> > no clue why being not CCD is a good point?
>
>
> Peter
Hmmm... This topic has wandered of line a little :o(
I have a working (at least it did once in the Linux box, I saw it) Grand Cam
Video capture card BTTV based, a good cam, Panasonic SVHS (broadcast
quality) what I don't have is the knowledge to get it running as a web cam
under Linux.
Last night I fired up Xwindows (I don't use it normally as it is slow on my
P90) and found that I have got kWinTV installed. I think I could make this
work as the web cam software but currently I can't get it to display the
image from the capture card.
I think, given what me friend did to get it running the one time he did,
that the (driver? kWinTV?) software is not programming the card inputs
correctly. I know my friend tweaked some code someplace then 'rebuilt'(?) it
several times in order to get it to show something. It's this that I am
trying to get working. I find it difficult to justify going out and getting
USB ports and a new capture device and possibly a new cam when I know that I
have all the hardware that I should need to get it going. If all else fails
I could shove the BTTV card back into a windoze box and hook it onto the
network but this would be admitting defeat and make the Linux system
redundant.
Has anyone used a grand cam video card on Linux?
Has anyone used a BTTV card on Linux?
Has anyone set up a web cam using a BTTV card?
I'd prefer to run it without using Xwindows if possible but first I'd like
to get it running.
Any help using this set-up would be appreciated.
Please note that as yet I don't know even how to build a module properly yet
so PLEASE keep it simple. Also my friend is not currently available to help
else I would turn to him.
Thanks in advance
Bob Dyer
Linux Newbi
PS. to reply directly remove the 'spamcatcher'
------------------------------
From: James Richard Tyrer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Please visit my 3D graphics site
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:29:51 GMT
Robert Francois wrote:
> http://www.geocities.com/bernardfrancois_1999
>
> --
> Greetz,
>
> Bernard Fran=E7ois - http://www.geocities.com/bernardfrancois_1999
Netscape won't run your web site.
Please have it W3C certified.
JRT
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:44:08 +0100
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WEb Cam for Newbi
Bob wrote:
> Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Could you explain why being no CCD is a good point?
> >
> > latency - at least on the cheap ones. And, indirectly, frame rate.
> >
> > > I have a Sony Picturebook PCG-C1VN (Transmeta Crusoe CPU) with a build
> in CCD cam:
> > > lspci |grep Multimedia
> >
> > > 00:0b.0 Multimedia controller: Kawasaki Steel Corporation: Unknown
> device ff01 (rev
> > > 01)
> >
> > > I regocnized that it needs much light to make good pics, like the other
> Sony CCD
> > > cams, but have
> > > no clue why being not CCD is a good point?
> >
> >
> > Peter
>
> Hmmm... This topic has wandered of line a little :o(
> I have a working (at least it did once in the Linux box, I saw it) Grand Cam
> Video capture card BTTV based, a good cam, Panasonic SVHS (broadcast
> quality) what I don't have is the knowledge to get it running as a web cam
> under Linux.
> Last night I fired up Xwindows (I don't use it normally as it is slow on my
> P90) and found that I have got kWinTV installed. I think I could make this
> work as the web cam software but currently I can't get it to display the
> image from the capture card.
> I think, given what me friend did to get it running the one time he did,
> that the (driver? kWinTV?) software is not programming the card inputs
> correctly. I know my friend tweaked some code someplace then 'rebuilt'(?) it
> several times in order to get it to show something. It's this that I am
> trying to get working. I find it difficult to justify going out and getting
> USB ports and a new capture device and possibly a new cam when I know that I
> have all the hardware that I should need to get it going. If all else fails
> I could shove the BTTV card back into a windoze box and hook it onto the
> network but this would be admitting defeat and make the Linux system
> redundant.
> Has anyone used a grand cam video card on Linux?
> Has anyone used a BTTV card on Linux?
> Has anyone set up a web cam using a BTTV card?
> I'd prefer to run it without using Xwindows if possible but first I'd like
> to get it running.
> Any help using this set-up would be appreciated.
> Please note that as yet I don't know even how to build a module properly yet
> so PLEASE keep it simple. Also my friend is not currently available to help
> else I would turn to him.
> Thanks in advance
> Bob Dyer
> Linux Newbi
> PS. to reply directly remove the 'spamcatcher'
Hello,
you shoulf have mentioned that you have everything,. including cam working, in
your OP....
Should be no problem,try this, works with no problem and is easy to setup:
from w3cam/README:
w3cam, Version 0.6.5
� [1]Rasca, Berlin 1998-2000, published under the [2]GNU GPL
Note: This [3]CGI is for [4]Linux running a kernel of the [5]2.2.X
series!
w3cam is a simple CGI to retrieve images from a so called video4linux
device. In other words this program will only run on Linux machines
which support a video4linux-device.
w3cam supports a plain mode and a gui mode. In the gui mode a html
with a form is supplied to change some parameters with the mouse ..
[...]
References
1. http://home.pages.de/~rasca/
2. http://home.pages.de/~rasca/w3cam/COPYING
Good luck
Michael Heiming
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:38:59 +0100
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WEb Cam for Newbi
Bob wrote:
> Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Could you explain why being no CCD is a good point?
> >
> > latency - at least on the cheap ones. And, indirectly, frame rate.
> >
> > > I have a Sony Picturebook PCG-C1VN (Transmeta Crusoe CPU) with a build
> in CCD cam:
> > > lspci |grep Multimedia
> >
> > > 00:0b.0 Multimedia controller: Kawasaki Steel Corporation: Unknown
> device ff01 (rev
> > > 01)
> >
> > > I regocnized that it needs much light to make good pics, like the other
> Sony CCD
> > > cams, but have
> > > no clue why being not CCD is a good point?
> >
> >
> > Peter
>
> Hmmm... This topic has wandered of line a little :o(
> I have a working (at least it did once in the Linux box, I saw it) Grand Cam
> Video capture card BTTV based, a good cam, Panasonic SVHS (broadcast
> quality) what I don't have is the knowledge to get it running as a web cam
> under Linux.
> Last night I fired up Xwindows (I don't use it normally as it is slow on my
> P90) and found that I have got kWinTV installed. I think I could make this
> work as the web cam software but currently I can't get it to display the
> image from the capture card.
> I think, given what me friend did to get it running the one time he did,
> that the (driver? kWinTV?) software is not programming the card inputs
> correctly. I know my friend tweaked some code someplace then 'rebuilt'(?) it
> several times in order to get it to show something. It's this that I am
> trying to get working. I find it difficult to justify going out and getting
> USB ports and a new capture device and possibly a new cam when I know that I
> have all the hardware that I should need to get it going. If all else fails
> I could shove the BTTV card back into a windoze box and hook it onto the
> network but this would be admitting defeat and make the Linux system
> redundant.
> Has anyone used a grand cam video card on Linux?
> Has anyone used a BTTV card on Linux?
> Has anyone set up a web cam using a BTTV card?
> I'd prefer to run it without using Xwindows if possible but first I'd like
> to get it running.
> Any help using this set-up would be appreciated.
> Please note that as yet I don't know even how to build a module properly yet
> so PLEASE keep it simple. Also my friend is not currently available to help
> else I would turn to him.
> Thanks in advance
> Bob Dyer
> Linux Newbi
> PS. to reply directly remove the 'spamcatcher'w3cam, Version 0.6.5
>
>
Hello,
try this, works with no problem and is easy to setup:
from w3cam/README:
w3cam, Version 0.6.5
� [1]Rasca, Berlin 1998-2000, published under the [2]GNU GPL
Note: This [3]CGI is for [4]Linux running a kernel of the [5]2.2.X
series!
w3cam is a simple CGI to retrieve images from a so called video4linux
device. In other words this program will only run on Linux machines
which support a video4linux-device.
w3cam supports a plain mode and a gui mode. In the gui mode a html
with a form is supplied to change some parameters with the mouse ..
[...]
References
1. http://home.pages.de/~rasca/
2. http://home.pages.de/~rasca/w3cam/COPYING
Good luck
Michael Heiming
------------------------------
From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:08:20 GMT
Hi Karel,
> There seem to be only two valid answers to this question:
>
> 1. Everything possible also happens, or the axiom of parallel
> universes. If there really is an infinite number of them, the entire
> question Why? becomes meaningless and the existence of God indeed
> unnecessary (but see below).
>
> 2. There is a purpose to it all.
<snip>
This has to be the most fascinating Linux thread of all time ;-) I'll just
throw this link in that I came across last year:
http://www.johnenderby.mcmail.com/
In particular this article:
http://www.johnenderby.mcmail.com/everything.htm
I found the article impressive and would like to hear comments from those
who have studied it.
Regards,
Adam
------------------------------
From: "Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WEb Cam for Newbi
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:29:46 -0000
> > Hmmm... This topic has wandered of line a little :o(
> > I have a working (at least it did once in the Linux box, I saw it) Grand
Cam
> > Video capture card BTTV based, a good cam, Panasonic SVHS (broadcast
> > quality) what I don't have is the knowledge to get it running as a web
cam
> > under Linux.
> > Last night I fired up Xwindows (I don't use it normally as it is slow on
my
> > P90) and found that I have got kWinTV installed. I think I could make
this
> > work as the web cam software but currently I can't get it to display the
> > image from the capture card.
> > I think, given what me friend did to get it running the one time he did,
> > that the (driver? kWinTV?) software is not programming the card inputs
> > correctly. I know my friend tweaked some code someplace then
'rebuilt'(?) it
> > several times in order to get it to show something. It's this that I am
> > trying to get working. I find it difficult to justify going out and
getting
> > USB ports and a new capture device and possibly a new cam when I know
that I
> > have all the hardware that I should need to get it going. If all else
fails
> > I could shove the BTTV card back into a windoze box and hook it onto the
> > network but this would be admitting defeat and make the Linux system
> > redundant.
> > Has anyone used a grand cam video card on Linux?
> > Has anyone used a BTTV card on Linux?
> > Has anyone set up a web cam using a BTTV card?
> > I'd prefer to run it without using Xwindows if possible but first I'd
like
>
> > to get it running.
> > Any help using this set-up would be appreciated.
> > Please note that as yet I don't know even how to build a module properly
yet
> > so PLEASE keep it simple. Also my friend is not currently available to
help
> > else I would turn to him.
> > Thanks in advance
> > Bob Dyer
> > Linux Newbi
> > PS. to reply directly remove the 'spamcatcher'
>
> Hello,
>
> you shoulf have mentioned that you have everything,. including cam
working, in
> your OP....
>
> Should be no problem,try this, works with no problem and is easy to setup:
>
> w3cam supports a plain mode and a gui mode. In the gui mode a html
> with a form is supplied to change some parameters with the mouse ..
> [...]
> References
>
> 1. http://home.pages.de/~rasca/
> 2. http://home.pages.de/~rasca/w3cam/COPYING
>
> Good luck
>
> Michael Heiming
>
That's more like it, thanks for this Michael.
One thing that I may not have made clear is that it DID work but doesn't now
:o(
I think some of the driver setting may be wrong? I know VERY little about
drivers, all I know is that I DID see it working once while my friend was
playing with it using kWinTV and he was muttering about the inputs being
wrong. Late at night he gave up trying to get the video input running and I
thought he left it with the SVHS running but now I come to try it on my own
I can't get any video at all.
I've not yet downloaded w3cam but would this code allow me to set up the
inputs on the card? I'm guessing that I need to manually adjust the driver
to do this and have very little idea how to do this.
Thanks again for this.
Bob Dyer
Linux newbi
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ohlsson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 10 Feb 2001 11:50:55 +0100
On 9 Feb 2001 00:04:44 GMT, Steve Mading wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Stefan Ohlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>:I know the atheists have a theory that man will develop to a super-man that
>:can travel back in time and will create it all. That's the simple version
>:anyway. I know, sounds weird. :)
>Are you being deliberately silly?
>
No, I heard it on a lecture about religion. Did I get it wrong? Then please
correct me.
/Stefan
--
[ Stefan Ohlsson ] � There will always be survivors - Robert A. Heinlein � []
------------------------------
From: "Bill Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ftp betwixt windoze and linux?
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:59:05 -0000
Hi,
I have RH6.2 on my laptop... I have it networked via a ethernet card to a
hub, likewise my desktop PC. What Iwant to do is transfer files betwixt them
I can ping each machine, but if I try and ftp from linux to windoze, I get
"Connection refused"
If I try and ftp from windoze to linux, ftp explorer, or even the ms-dos ftp
command, starts to dial up the internet i.e. it tries to connect via the
modem, rather than the ethernet card
Any tips, clues, hints on how I can xfer files between the two machines?
Many thanks
Bill
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:05:12 +0100
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WEb Cam for Newbi
Bob wrote:
> > > Hmmm... This topic has wandered of line a little :o(
> > > I have a working (at least it did once in the Linux box, I saw it) Grand
> Cam
> > > Video capture card BTTV based, a good cam, Panasonic SVHS (broadcast
> > > quality) what I don't have is the knowledge to get it running as a web
> cam
> > > under Linux.
> > > Last night I fired up Xwindows (I don't use it normally as it is slow on
> my
> > > P90) and found that I have got kWinTV installed. I think I could make
> this
> > > work as the web cam software but currently I can't get it to display the
> > > image from the capture card.
> > > I think, given what me friend did to get it running the one time he did,
> > > that the (driver? kWinTV?) software is not programming the card inputs
> > > correctly. I know my friend tweaked some code someplace then
> 'rebuilt'(?) it
> > > several times in order to get it to show something. It's this that I am
> > > trying to get working. I find it difficult to justify going out and
> getting
> > > USB ports and a new capture device and possibly a new cam when I know
> that I
> > > have all the hardware that I should need to get it going. If all else
> fails
> > > I could shove the BTTV card back into a windoze box and hook it onto the
> > > network but this would be admitting defeat and make the Linux system
> > > redundant.
> > > Has anyone used a grand cam video card on Linux?
> > > Has anyone used a BTTV card on Linux?
> > > Has anyone set up a web cam using a BTTV card?
> > > I'd prefer to run it without using Xwindows if possible but first I'd
> like
> >
> > > to get it running.
> > > Any help using this set-up would be appreciated.
> > > Please note that as yet I don't know even how to build a module properly
> yet
> > > so PLEASE keep it simple. Also my friend is not currently available to
> help
> > > else I would turn to him.
> > > Thanks in advance
> > > Bob Dyer
> > > Linux Newbi
> > > PS. to reply directly remove the 'spamcatcher'
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > you shoulf have mentioned that you have everything,. including cam
> working, in
> > your OP....
> >
> > Should be no problem,try this, works with no problem and is easy to setup:
> >
> > w3cam supports a plain mode and a gui mode. In the gui mode a html
> > with a form is supplied to change some parameters with the mouse ..
> > [...]
> > References
> >
> > 1. http://home.pages.de/~rasca/
> > 2. http://home.pages.de/~rasca/w3cam/COPYING
> >
> > Good luck
> >
> > Michael Heiming
> >
> That's more like it, thanks for this Michael.
> One thing that I may not have made clear is that it DID work but doesn't now
> :o(
> I think some of the driver setting may be wrong? I know VERY little about
> drivers, all I know is that I DID see it working once while my friend was
> playing with it using kWinTV and he was muttering about the inputs being
> wrong. Late at night he gave up trying to get the video input running and I
> thought he left it with the SVHS running but now I come to try it on my own
> I can't get any video at all.
> I've not yet downloaded w3cam but would this code allow me to set up the
> inputs on the card? I'm guessing that I need to manually adjust the driver
> to do this and have very little idea how to do this.
> Thanks again for this.
> Bob Dyer
> Linux newbi
Hello,
yes you can select the input in webmode or preset it with the w3cam config,
just try it out, download & RTFM.
I don't know if you have an original haupauge btv848 or 878 card, the 878
worked for me
out of the box with SuSE 7.0, plain SuSE kernel, the 848 should behave in the
same way.
I have another card with btv878 chip and video input, but it's one of those
cheap crap cards,
no original haupauge card. It works, but you have to fiddle around and compile
tons of stuff
out of the kernel which was really a pain, in order to get the video input
working.
try
lsmod
to see if all modules neccesary got loaded
This is how I could get it running loading the (the order is important!)
modules:
modprobe videodev
modprobe i2c
modprobe tuner type=5
modprobe msp3400
modprobe bttv card=24
lsmod
Good luck
Michael Heiming
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