Linux-Misc Digest #74, Volume #21 Sun, 18 Jul 99 19:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
ANNOUNCE: GTK+XFce 3.0.2 now released (Olivier Fourdan)
SearchLinux Registration Request ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Dead daemons? (Erik de Castro Lopo)
Re: Quick stop/start Filesystem ? (Marc Mutz)
Re: CIA assassinations (Holy Cow)
Re: access ext2 partition without any login (Eric Veldhuyzen)
Re: clean /tmp on reboot? (Paul Kimoto)
Re: URGENT HELP! My linux box has gone wild! (Marc Mutz)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? ("Stuart Fox")
Re: Aa modem hung up! (Ben Short)
"Memory Squeeze, deferring packets" ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Connect to ISP when phone rings: is this possible? (Jim Richardson)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 02:54:52 GMT
>In article <7mkmun$knv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> The Linux API
>> can easily be emulated by BSD operating systems. NetBSD
>> does, as a matter of fact, i.e. many "Linux applications"
>> will also work with NetBSD (at full speed). The reason
>> why many people today choose Linux over BSD is because of
>> the all-present Linux hype and because Linux is available at
>> every computer store and easier to install.
The main reasons why people choose Linux over FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD
is that many people think Linux is the only free OS out there, and/or
are attracted by the promise of lots of applications being ported
over to it
>> If, at some point in time, a new BSD-based OS is pushed by
>> a big company, and that OS is more advanced in its networking
>> support and supports the Linux API then I would not be
>> surprised if that OS took over and people started using their
>> former "Linux applications" with the new OS.
Apple is working on Darwin - a 4.4BSD/Mac OS X server based O/S. Not
sure if it support the Linux API, but It's using FreeBSD as it's
primary reference platform for BSD kernel development (and FreeBSD as
Linux compatability). However, Linux now has so much momentum now
that that it's hard to see any BSD overtake it -especially if the
Amiga plans materialise. Maybe if Amiga would have joined Apple and
chosen BSD things would have been different. Pity.
>> Because of that I think it is unwise to concentrate so
>> much on the marketing factor. Linux and its installed
>> base are not nearly as strong as operating systems in
>> the past.
Marketing is just as important as technical merit or current installed
base. It's much like the Windows Vs OS/2 thing a few years back.
Many acknowledged that OS/2 was technically and functionaly superior
to Windows, but for numerous reasons OS/2 was left far behind.
Perhaps Amiga can work with Linus to get the kernel up to scratch, but
even if they don't, given the market that the Amiga is likely to be
aimed at (primarily internet-connected home users) a heavy duty server
based platform is not essential. If Amiga want to retain business
multimedia/video production houses though, it might be an issue.
Alan.
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 23:04:25 +0200
From: Olivier Fourdan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ANNOUNCE: GTK+XFce 3.0.2 now released
XFce 3.0.2 is now available for download on http://www.xfce.org
XFce is an easy-to-use and easy-to-configure environment for X11, based on GTK+,
with pulldown menus and color icons, 3D widgets, etc. XFce features now a set of
applications including a powerful Window Manager xfwm, a toolbar/application
launcher, a backdrop manager, a system sound manager for X11, a user friendly
interface for mouse configuration, a pager providing a miniature view of all
XFce desktops, a clock/calendar and at last but not least a filemanager, all
sharing the same look'n feel.
Best regards,
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Subject: SearchLinux Registration Request
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 06:54:58 -0700
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From: Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Dead daemons?
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:20:23 +1000
R. Christopher Harshman wrote:
>
> I've got a box that I administrate in California (this summer,
> I'm in Missouri). It's running kernel 2.2.9 and Slackware 3.5
> (heavily modified). I telnet in occasionally (once a day or
> so) to make sure everything's more or less kosher, and logfiles
> get rotated and emailed to me very night.
Telent in? So you user id and paddword can be sniffed by anyone?
Really, you shouldn't. You have SSH installed; use it.
> A few days ago, the box wasn't responding to telnet or ftp
> connections, but ping and apache were still working. I
> figured inetd had somehow stopped responding, and remembered
> that we had installed 'sshd' after the fact, and that it
> was running from /etc/rc.d/rc.local, so I was able to get
> in using secure shell. Sure enough, inetd was not listed
> among the processes when I did a ps -aux. So, as root,
> I fired it back up, and all was well.
>
> Now, yesterday, the messages file that arrived in my inbox
> was completely blank (unheard of, even in the summer; there
> are always people POP'ing in to check mail, etc), so
> I telnetted in to find syslogd not running. No problem,
> I su'd to root and fired it back up, and /var/log/messages
> is growing accordingly.
>
> But now I'm troubled. What would cause two more or less
> reliable pieces of an otherwise rock-solid system (54 days
> of uptime since the last time a power outage extended
> beyond our UPS capacity) to fail? The rest of the machine
> is running normally, and no bizarre error messages have
> appeared anywhere (debug, etc).
My guess is that someone sniffed your telnet password and
logged in. They shut down telnet to stop you getting back in
and shutdown syslogd to cover their tracks.
What you need to do from here, is get all the important data
off the machine and do a complete reinstall.
Erik
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than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible
gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." -- Stephen Roberts
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 23:52:52 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Quick stop/start Filesystem ?
Declan Mullen wrote:
>
<snip>
> I want to be able to get my linux box up and down as quickly as
> possible.
<snip>
Most distro's init scripts understand an existing /etc/fastboot as a
command to not run fsck on bootup (and maybe omit other things).
The drawback is that normally this file is recognized, followed and then
deleted, so you have to touch(1) it everytime you shutdown (or let an
init script do it for you).
Remember also that it is generally not a good idea to run your box w/o
periodic fsck's.
Marc
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University of Bielefeld, Dep. of Mathematics / Dep. of Physics
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From: Holy Cow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 10:29:27 +0600
Richard Kulisz wrote:
> Socialism collapsed around 1920 in the Soviet Union.
That's a pronouncement. In the absence of supporting argument we are
unable to agree with <g>. Define your terms first.
> A 'soviet' is, literally, a democratic worker's organization so the
> "Soviet system" just means Democracy.
Why do you capitalize "Soviet" than? But ok, we can take it in this
sense.
> One of the things that Stalin did was ban all the soviets. Before Stalin,
> the only butchery was from invasions by capitalist nations.
? That's absolutely not true. There was hardly any military action
between the Soviets and 'invading capitalist nations'. The bloody
capitalist pigs barely 'invaded' the ports, looked around in confusion
for a while, and quickly sailed away. Most of the butchery was
perpertrated in course of the Russian civil war, by the local sides upon
one another. In fact, this very civil war was really started by the reds
as a result of their military putsch in 1917. (Or resulted from it, or
was a continuation thereof, you pick the definition.)
> And you might want to read up on Marxism before you declare it's bullshit;
Your assumption is that I not familiar with it, which may be wrong since
you can't know one way or another. Therefore I take this line as a
personal attack and disregard it. Iow, this line is no argument and
doesn't need to be here.
> it's had enormous appeal for millions of oppressed people so it must be
> doing *something* right.
Millions of people thought the earth was flat. Iow, I don't know what
this "so" is doing here. The two parts are logically unrelated.
Someone's being oppressed doesn't automatically makes him virtuous or
insightful or intelligent. Millions of oppressed people have been doing
crap throughout the history, and their doing so is no proof of their
doings desirability. For example, organized religion has had enormous
appeal blah blah blah, and according to your logic, it must be doing
something right. Well, in a sense it is doing something right, but now
we face a need to define "right" <G>. I feel this is not the meaning you
had.
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From: Eric Veldhuyzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: access ext2 partition without any login
Date: 18 Jul 1999 17:47:40 +0200
Matthew Cromer writes:
> Hi. I'm working for a client where the previous developer left on
> bad terms. He will not turn over any passwords for the development
> box. I need to access the linux filesystem on this box and get the
> source code off of it.
> What is my best approach to do this?
Easy, There are several options. To name a few:
- On the lilo bootprompt give the command linux 1
- on the lilo bootprompt give the command 'init=/bin/sh'
- rescue disk
You got physical access so it shouldn't be hard. It gets nasty if the
guy also encrypted the data.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: clean /tmp on reboot?
Date: 18 Jul 1999 18:05:38 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Norman Levin wrote:
> You mean linux is storing them in /tmp? What ever happened to /var/tmp which
> would make more sense.
Good point. I don't know for sure, since usually I use emacs.
I'd point out that there are several flavors of vi clones used
on Linux (elvis, nvi, vim, ...), and their behaviors may vary.
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Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 23:44:28 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: URGENT HELP! My linux box has gone wild!
Frank Conte wrote:
>
<snip>
> Something's typing silly, senseless commands
> keep appearing at the prompt. Could it be that I improperly shut down
> the machine earlier?
>
Maybe you have cat'ed binary data to your terminal? If so, using another
xterm/VTC will do and you can work with that. If it is like the error I
posted some time ago here where all VTC's were corrupted such that some
chars were just vertical lines 1 pixel wide, then I'm afraid rebooting
will be the only way. But it will work under X just fine...
Marc
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University of Bielefeld, Dep. of Mathematics / Dep. of Physics
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:23:14 +1200
Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Stuart Fox wrote:
> >
> > Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Bob wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > For the last few years Microsoft has been trying to push
> > > > > > their own ideas and strategies through IETF as official
> > > > > > standards (e.g. DHCP, a Microsoft-invented extension to
> > > > > > BootP). Basically Microsoft develops something on their own,
> > > > > > pushes it as a (hopefully, from their point of view, very
> > > > > > complex) standard, that is difficult to implement, and then
> > > > > > gets a head start from the work they have already done by
> > > > > > being the first company with a working implementation.
> > > > > > Everyone else has to catch up.
> > > >
> > > > Microsoft invented DHCP? I hadn't heard that one, I had always
thought
> > it
> > > > was based on an RFC. But then again a lot of that rant seemed to be
full
> > of
> > > > shit.
> > >
> > > Microsoft DHCP != DHCP
> > >
> >
> > It's RFC compliant. How is it not DHCP? You can't just say that it's
not
> > and not tell us why.
>
> Its my understanding that Microsoft has some proprietary extensions
> to DHCP which make cause problems with some compliant DHCP
> implementations.
>
> Good enough?
Nope. You don't have to use them. It will work as a normal DHCP server if
you want it to, if you want to use the extensions you can.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ben Short)
Subject: Re: Aa modem hung up!
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:54:52 +1000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Hi all, this may be a stupid question, but how can I tell if a modem is
> gone bad and needs replacement?
> I have an internal AT&T Win modem which I had been successfully
> using to connect my IBM Aptiva machine to a provider. Now when I use
> ppp-d to
> dial in, I get connected but a modem hung up!
> I tried the command "cu -l /dev/cua0" . But the anser was "Permission
> denied!"
> What should I do next?
> The distribution is SlackWare 3.6.
>
Winmodems will simply not work with linux. I suggest you start looking at
buying a nice USR modem or something similar :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux
Subject: "Memory Squeeze, deferring packets"
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:52:37 GMT
Hi, there,
I've had this error message once a while:
"Memory Squeeze, deferring packets"
Then the system sometimes can still survive, but are extrmely slow.
More likely, it hangs over there and have to turn the system off since
reboot/login/telnet/C-A-D won't respond any more.
I'm running Red Hat 5.0 for Alpha with 64MB RAM (192M SWAP) and "free"
reports 44MB free (-/+ buffer/cache) normally.
The system runs DNS/Sendmail/httpd etc. Has a quite moderate traffic,
most time low network traffic.
Please shed some light on this.
Thanks a lot.
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Connect to ISP when phone rings: is this possible?
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 02:03:45 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 18 Jul 1999 02:57:47 GMT,
TAT, in the persona of <TAT>,
brought forth the following words...:
>Hi all
>
>Is it possible to have my modem detect an incoming call, hang up
>on that call and immediately run pppon? I'd like to connect to my
>home machine from office, and I don't have a modem at office.
>
>TIA
Yes it's possible, what's more, if you have caller id (and your modem at home
supports it.) you could have it do this only when a given number (your work
number for eg) is the one calling.
check the man and info pages for mgetty.
--
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