Linux-Misc Digest #118, Volume #20 Sat, 8 May 99 21:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: RH 6.0 broke my java (Ben Greear)
Re: RH 6.0 broke my java (Ben Greear)
Re: ? loopback: ping `hostname` (brian moore)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Phil Hunt)
Re: mounting and unmounting cdrom (brian moore)
Re: RH 6.0 from Cheapbytes is 1 CD, official RH is 2 CDs. Why? (Michael McConnell)
Re: Printing
libc5->glibc2... now can't unmount /usr (Donn Miller)
Newbie with Printer Problems (Farley Brant Carter)
Netscape trouble (Saqr Binghalib)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Phil Hunt)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Phil Hunt)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Phil Hunt)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Phil Hunt)
Re: Is Unix a single user operating system? (Alexander Viro)
Re: STB Nitro 3D / VX on Red Hat 4.2 (Robert Lynch)
Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (was: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?)
(Chris Lee)
SiS 6326 XF86Config (Len Cuff)
HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!GCC 2.7.2.3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HELP (crooked eye)
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From: Ben Greear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH 6.0 broke my java
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 16:10:24 -0700
Steven Cornelis VERSTEEG wrote:
>
> I have just installed RH 6.0, and I am no longer able to run
> any of the JDK programs. For example when I type "java some-program"
> I get the following message:
>
> /usr/local/apps/jdk/bin/../bin/i586/green_threads/java: error in loading shared
>libraries: /usr/local/apps/jdk/bin/../lib/i586/green_threads/libjava.so: undefined
>symbol: _dl_symbol_value
>
> I originally had the BlackDown JDK-1.1.5v7, so I upgraded to
> JDK-1.1.7v1a, but I still get the same problem.
>
> Is it caused by an incompatibility problem with glibc 2.1? If so
> what is the easiest way to downgrade?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steven.
I'm having the same problem. I upgraded java to jdk1.2-pre. Now, when I
do something like: javac -green *.java, it will at least compile (the -green is
important).
However, when I try to start up my program, I get linker/library problems:
[greear@burrito hegemon]$ java -green -Djava.compiler= hegemon
Changing Logging level to: 7
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /usr/local/jdk1.2/jre
/lib/i386/libfontmanager.so: libstdc++-libc6.0-1.so.2: cannot open shared object
file: No such file or directory
at java.lang.ClassLoader$NativeLibrary.load(Native Method)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary0(ClassLoader.java:1203)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary(ClassLoader.java:1119)
at java.lang.Runtime.loadLibrary0(Runtime.java:470)
at java.lang.System.loadLibrary(System.java:745)
at sun.security.action.LoadLibraryAction.run(LoadLibraryAction.java:57)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at sun.awt.font.NativeFontWrapper.<clinit>(NativeFontWrapper.java:41)
at sun.awt.X11GraphicsEnvironment.initDisplay(Native Method)
at sun.awt.X11GraphicsEnvironment.<clinit>(X11GraphicsEnvironment.java:6
1)
at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method)
at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:124)
at java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEnvi
ronment.java:63)
at sun.awt.motif.MToolkit.<clinit>(MToolkit.java:59)
at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method)
at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:124)
at java.awt.Toolkit$2.run(Toolkit.java:499)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.awt.Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit(Toolkit.java:492)
at java.awt.TextComponent.enableInputMethodsIfNecessary(TextComponent.ja
va:115)
at java.awt.TextComponent.<init>(TextComponent.java:109)
at java.awt.TextArea.<init>(TextArea.java:188)
at CommandHistory.<init>(CommandHistory.java:37)
at HegemonManager.<init>(HegemonManager.java:88)
at hegemon.main(hegemon.java:46)
Haven't figured out how to fix this yet, please let me know if you find
a solution, and I'll let you know if I find one :)
Ben
--
Ben Greear ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.primenet.com/~greear
Author of ScryMUD: mud.primenet.com 4444 (Released under GPL)
http://www.primenet.com/~greear/ScryMUD/scry.html
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From: Ben Greear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH 6.0 broke my java
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 16:12:35 -0700
Steven Cornelis VERSTEEG wrote:
>
> I have just installed RH 6.0, and I am no longer able to run
> any of the JDK programs. For example when I type "java some-program"
> I get the following message:
>
> /usr/local/apps/jdk/bin/../bin/i586/green_threads/java: error in loading shared
>libraries: /usr/local/apps/jdk/bin/../lib/i586/green_threads/libjava.so: undefined
>symbol: _dl_symbol_value
>
> I originally had the BlackDown JDK-1.1.5v7, so I upgraded to
> JDK-1.1.7v1a, but I still get the same problem.
>
> Is it caused by an incompatibility problem with glibc 2.1? If so
> what is the easiest way to downgrade?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steven.
I'm having the same problem. I upgraded java to jdk1.2-pre. Now, when I
do something like: javac -green *.java, it will at least compile (the -green is
important).
However, when I try to start up my program, I get linker/library problems:
[greear@burrito hegemon]$ java -green -Djava.compiler= hegemon
Changing Logging level to: 7
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /usr/local/jdk1.2/jre
/lib/i386/libfontmanager.so: libstdc++-libc6.0-1.so.2: cannot open shared object
file: No such file or directory
at java.lang.ClassLoader$NativeLibrary.load(Native Method)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary0(ClassLoader.java:1203)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary(ClassLoader.java:1119)
at java.lang.Runtime.loadLibrary0(Runtime.java:470)
at java.lang.System.loadLibrary(System.java:745)
at sun.security.action.LoadLibraryAction.run(LoadLibraryAction.java:57)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at sun.awt.font.NativeFontWrapper.<clinit>(NativeFontWrapper.java:41)
at sun.awt.X11GraphicsEnvironment.initDisplay(Native Method)
at sun.awt.X11GraphicsEnvironment.<clinit>(X11GraphicsEnvironment.java:6
1)
at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method)
at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:124)
at java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEnvi
ronment.java:63)
at sun.awt.motif.MToolkit.<clinit>(MToolkit.java:59)
at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method)
at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:124)
at java.awt.Toolkit$2.run(Toolkit.java:499)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.awt.Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit(Toolkit.java:492)
at java.awt.TextComponent.enableInputMethodsIfNecessary(TextComponent.ja
va:115)
at java.awt.TextComponent.<init>(TextComponent.java:109)
at java.awt.TextArea.<init>(TextArea.java:188)
at CommandHistory.<init>(CommandHistory.java:37)
at HegemonManager.<init>(HegemonManager.java:88)
at hegemon.main(hegemon.java:46)
Haven't figured out how to fix this yet, please let me know if you find
a solution, and I'll let you know if I find one :)
Ben
--
Ben Greear ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.primenet.com/~greear
Author of ScryMUD: mud.primenet.com 4444 (Released under GPL)
http://www.primenet.com/~greear/ScryMUD/scry.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: ? loopback: ping `hostname`
Date: 8 May 1999 20:57:23 GMT
On Sat, 08 May 1999 01:43:02 -0700,
jianhong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello, Everyone,
>
> I'm trying to get loopback to work on a stand alone machine, called
> "slackbox",
> with no network card, running slackware 3.5 Linux. My /etc/hosts is like
> this,
> #/etc/hosts
> 127.0.0.1 localhost loopback
> 172.16.1.1 slackbox
>
> `ping localhost` and `ping loopback` worked just fine, however,
> `ping slackbox` FAILED with the error, "... network unreachable".
That's because it has no route to that network.
You'll need to bring up an interface on that network with that IP
address. /etc/hosts is not a list of ip numbers for your machine, it's
a list of IP numbers for machines, some of which may be that one, others
of which may be other machines.
> Can someone please enlight me on how to get this to work?
> How do I let the computer loopback by referencing the hostname, i.e.,
> ping `hostname`
> -------------------
> By the way, slackware 3.5 doesn't support `ifconfig dummy ...`.
It will if you build the proper kernel that supports the dummy device or
load the proper module.
You will need to do that if you don't have a NIC.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Hunt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: Sat, 08 May 99 22:09:46 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <7S3Y2.3100$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Peter Seebach" writes:
> Quick show of hands: Which has done more to stop spam, Murkowski's proposed
> bill, or Paul Vixie's RBL?
Would you like to enlighten us (or at least me) as to what these are?
--
Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: mounting and unmounting cdrom
Date: 9 May 1999 00:02:30 GMT
On Sat, 08 May 1999 15:36:10 GMT,
Damien Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, tried that too. Tried the full mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
>
> and
>
> mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom -o remount
>
> But to no avail.
>
> Oh well, looks like a reboot is coming on.
Icky... don't do that.
Try:
mount -f /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
Now you should be able to unmount it and mount it properly.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Michael McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH 6.0 from Cheapbytes is 1 CD, official RH is 2 CDs. Why?
Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 22:12:43 +0100
On Thu, 6 May 1999, Jerome Mrozak wrote:
> I've seen from Linux Central that the source is on their CD #2. If I
> have to (want to) recompile the kernel will the single-CD version do the
> trick? Is all of the kernel source there? (The alternative is that the
> single-CD versions pulled from the web site can't be recompiled.)
The single-CD version should be fine, as long as
kernel-source-######.i386.rpm is present on the CD.
It is on the Eridani discs ;)
-- Michael "Soruk" McConnell [Red Hat 6.0 Available!]
Eridani Star System -- The Most Up-to-Date Red Hat Linux CDROMs Available
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.amush.cx/linux/ Fax: +44-8701-600807
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Printing
Date: 8 May 1999 21:11:53 GMT
In comp.os.linux.help Christian Nake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hi,
: I'm using an EPSON LQ 100 with SuSE 6.1. I have installed the apsfilter
: for the printer.
: Whenever I print graphics directly to /dev/lp0 it will be shifted
: downwards so that about 20 mm of it will be printed on the next paper.
: Resolution and quality is OK.
: How is it possible to center grafics on the paper? The problem does also
: appear with software that prints directly, eg MuPAD.
: Thanks for Help,
: Christian
Papersize set to letter & printed on A4? Postscript origin is lower left.
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From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: libc5->glibc2... now can't unmount /usr
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:21:12 -0400
When I upgraded my system from libc5 to glibc, I had this problem whenever
/etc/rc.d/rc.6 tried to umount /usr: /usr wouldn't get unmounted, because
it was busy. The reason is this. In the glibc upgrade guide, it said to
do:
* create a directory for the libc-5 libraries
mkdir /usr/i586-linuxlibc5/lib
The problem is that since I just recently upgraded from libc5 -> glibc2,
the umount command, and some other commands in the shutdown script are
still linked to libc5. But, the old shared libs, now in
/usr/i586-linuxlibc5/lib, are on the /usr partition. That's why I
couldn't unmount /usr.
The obvious solution would be to replace all the important system admin.
commands with glibc2 versions, but I don't know if that's an effecient
solution. My solution was to just create a symlink like this:
# ls -l /usr/i586-linuxlibc5/lib
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 May 4 13:03 /usr/i586-linuxlibc5/lib
-> /lib//
So, I'm just leaving the old libs in /lib, but I'll just fool the linker
by creating the symlink instead of actually putting them there. I don't
think it's hurting anything, plus I moved all the other headers, gcc-lib
stuff etc. to the right places according to the docs.
So does gcc -b i586-linuxlibc5 need to look in /usr/i586-linuxlibc5/lib
for compiling, or is this just to keep the libs separate? If I put the
libs on the /usr partition by creating an actual directory (not symlink),
then the shutdown script, which is linked to shared libs on /usr, can't
unmount /usr.
All this trouble is because my major commands are still linked with libc5.
Anyone want to comment on how they handled this?
Thxx
Donn
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From: Farley Brant Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Newbie with Printer Problems
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 20:17:34 +0500
My printer does not support the single linfeed that linux uses. Instead
I need the linefeed/return.
I know i need to set up an input filter but I do not know how to do
this.
Any help would be appreciated.
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From: Saqr Binghalib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Netscape trouble
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 17:00:06 -0700
Hi,
I have Red Hat linux ver 5.2 and use the netscape that came with the
O/S
The problem I am facing now is that when I try to open netscape it take
a long time.. almost 2 mins before it opens ( 2 mins after I execute the
command )
So I was wondering if anyone had any ideas or suggestions to this.
Thanks,
Saqr
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Hunt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Sat, 08 May 99 21:40:40 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Andrew Carol" writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Phil Hunt
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What if she's bying a new PC, she goes into a shop and sees two,
> > one of which runs Linux and costs $400, the other runs Winodws and
> > costs $550, due to the extra costs involved in paying M$ royalties
> > for Windows and Office, and the extra hardware involved in running
> > these programs and the dongle? I think she might notice that
> > difference, and care about it.
>
> She could also walk into a shop and see a radio which only costs $40.
> Trouble is the radio, like the Linux box, won't run the software she
> knows and loves.
How can anyone love software that is bug-ridden and forces its users
(perhaps ``victims'' would be a better word) to continually walk the
treadmill of expensive and time-consuming ``upgrades'', becasue of
deliberate incompatibilities with file formats etc on newer versions?
A lot of people only put up with Windows' faults because they don't
know better; only being aware of one example, they think all software
is like that.
> For people who have little need for consumer software the Linux box is
> a great deal. But the average person has made a great investment in
> learning Windows and is lothe to feel that it was all wasted.
This is a good point. It's one of the reasons why the takeoff of Linux
is likely to be quite slow: it'll probably overtake NT in the server
market this year (it will do if the IDG market share figures are
correct and both OSes grow the same amount this year that they did last
year). It'll start to make real inroads into Windows' market share in
the office and SOHO sectors next year, but I doubt if it will exceed
Windows' market share in 2000. It might do this in 2001; especially if
you think of Windows as being three OSes (CE, 9X, NT) -- Linux might
overtake whichever of these is most popular, but still have less
users altogether than all versions of Windows taken together.
If you include non-programmable machines (which is what Windows boxes
are presumably intended to be by default; you don't get any
programming languages with Windows except MS-DOS batch files (is this
true of Win CE, anyone?)) then the large numbers of embedded machines
such as MP3 players running Linux might well tip the balance.
> They
> also have large collections of games and other software in which they
> have made a great investment of time and money.
IMO the games market is the one where Windows has the biggest
advantage over linux. However, things are changing, e.g. the
recent release of _Civilisation: Call To Power_ for Linux.
--
Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Hunt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: Sat, 08 May 99 19:14:33 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Marco Anglesio" writes:
> However, thank you for going to such trouble to prove my point: reading's
> only good when you have books to read. You confuse the act with the
> object. Without them - it's worthless.
This is not true in my case.
Most of what I read isn't books. It is things like Usenet posts,
newspapers, online documentation.
You might counter that by ``books'' you meant ``written content produced
by other people''. However, reading is also useful to me in that I
can read stuff that I have written myself, for example program
documentation. Reading is useful because it is necessary for writing,
which is a very helpful way of remembering things without having to
remember them in your head.
--
Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Hunt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Sat, 08 May 99 20:58:48 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Andrew Carol" writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Not in this instance. The pool of available liberated
> > source will only grow, not shrink. Human greed being
> > what it is will always encourage people to seek out
> > something for less or even something for nothing.
>
> Very true. Human greed will also encourage smart people to get
> together and develop really hot and cool programs and beat everybody to
> the market and make tons of money. Then they will find that if they
> add feature XYZ people will give them even more money. Other people
> will see their success and do the same. This happened in the 70's,
> 80's, 90's, and will forever. The free software market is growing, but
> so is the proprietary software market.
True. But free software means never having to re-invent the wheel,
whereas proprietary software is the opposite. So the growing body
of free software means that people wanting to write more free software
can use this to build on; but they can't to the same extent with
proprietary software, they have to re-implement everything from
scratch.
> There is room for both and both will succeed or become irrelevant on
> their own merits.
True. However I think that free software will become more prevalent
vis-a-vis proprietary software, over the next few years.
--
Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Hunt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Sat, 08 May 99 21:43:37 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Andrew Carol" writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ed Avis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Shop Assistant: Certainly. Would sir like the PC with built-in
> > crippling, which means sir will also be needing to spend large amounts
> > on software? Or would sir prefer this uncrippled model, which comes
> > with 'cracked' software pre-loaded?
>
> Where do you shop for computers? In this country they are bought in
> giant stores where you can't even find a sales person, much less ask
> them a questions. (Which is good, because they can't answer them
> anyway). Most other people just buy them over the web.
In Britain when you buy a computer in a shop, you can talk to
salespeople. Whether they know what they are talking about is another
matter entirely.
--
Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?
Date: 8 May 1999 15:17:20 -0400
In article <7h1ih8$3f8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bill Gunshannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jesus Monroy,
>Jr.) writes:
>|> Now here's the catch. One day you find that all the
>|> machines have been upgrade to a new buggy version of
>|> the OS which you never authorized. What do you do?
>|>
>
>Fire him. That's a Human Resources problem and is in no way related
>to the which operating system you are running. What if you were running
>VMS 7.2 and came in one day to find out that this person had loaded
>ULTRIX?? Or VMS 5.0?? Or even VMS 7.3 for that matter. No operating
Upgrade his wetware. They have a CDROM in the anus, you'll just have to
be accurate not to break a CD.
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 17:12:55 -0700
From: Robert Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: STB Nitro 3D / VX on Red Hat 4.2
Don Whitlow wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Another hopefully simple question for you all. I have an STB Nitro 3D card,
> with the S3 Virge / GX 1.3 chipset on it. I have been having a problem
> configuring this card to correctly run X on my system. I have tried all of
> the STB Virge-based cards, including the generic's, included in Red Hat
> 4.2, all of which don't work. Most of the errors look related to the fact
> that the chipset is unrecognized.
I am using XF86_S3V with this card and it works fine.
[root@ravel user]# rpm -qf `which XF86_S3V`
XFree86-S3V-3.3.3.1-1.1
This is on RH5.2.
> Has anyone gotten this card to work correctly in Red Hat 4.2? (I'm not
> really ready to upgrade to 5.2 or better yet). I have a CTX 15" Monitor
> (CTX-1562-GM), which will do 1024x768 pretty well. (I used to have a
> Trident based card that worked fine with this config, but I thought I would
> step up by a Meg in memory using the STB card.)
>
> How would I go about getting this new card to work? Thanks in advance for
> any help you can give me.
>
> Sincerely,
> Don
FWIW.
Bob L.
--
Robert Lynch-Berkeley CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.best.com/~rmlynch/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (was: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?)
Date: 9 May 1999 00:21:05 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>On 08 May 1999 10:34:40 +0200,
> Peter Mutsaers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> In Linux, lots is happening on the desktop, easy-to-use sysadm tools
>> etc. Other Unices such as FreeBSD may profit a bit from that.
>
>That's happening on other Unices as well. Many of the GNOME and KDE
>developers are using Solaris or one of the BSD's.
>
>> Otoh I don't see much development in the kernel anymore. Look at the
>> very very slow pace of Linux kernel development at the moment. I
>> browsed a bit through linux-2.2.5,6,7 recently, and really not much is
>> happening and a lot is old.
>
>Because 2.2 is a stable series: new features are a no-no at the moment
>(exceptions can be made if the feature is very simple, but even then
>it's unlikely). Once Linus is comfortable with the 2.2 series, the 2.3
>(ie, development) series will begin again and new features will be
>welcome.
>
>Development hasn't come to a halt, though: those people working on other
>projects are just not integrating it into the tree at the moment. This
>gives them time to work out their code before 2.3 exists. When 2.3
>starts up, there will once again be clammoring for whose code gets moved
>in first. (In other words, its very much in their best interest to be
>coding massively now so they can have something presentable.)
>
>> FreeBSD in contrast is very alive w.r.t. more fundamental
>> developments. It used to lag behind Linux until maybe a year ago (and
>> still does in some areas such as laptop support) but has caught up in
>> many parts. Amount of hardware drivers is almost the same now, and
>> FreeBSD does have beginning of USB (still 100% missing in Linux), does
>> have the same level of ISDN support, has new concept for busses, in
>> -current very efficient ATA (disk driver) support is coming up,
>> softupdates (i.e. modern better performing filesystem), SMP is
>> starting to be better than Linux's.
>
>USB is missing in Linux? Actually it exists and keyboards and mice work
>fine. Alan Cox is apparently working on USB speakers (what a weird
>concept). The code isn't stable, so it's not in the stable kernel, but
>you can certainly patch it in.
>
>See, when the kernel team goes into development mode, those working on
>projects don't stop: they maintain their own code for a while to
>reintegrate later. (The code is often forked so that it can be added to
>a later stable release as well, after it gets some workout in the
>non-stable release. USB support will probably be backported to 2.2 when
>it's ready for full release.)
>
>> Linux seems to come to a grinding halt in these areas, probably also
>> because of the horribly inefficient and confusing development process.
>
>Confusing? It's simple multitasking. Why must all work being done be
>added to the kernel immediately? Sometimes you want to take a few weeks
>on a project (say, USB support) before it is stable enough to merge in.
>Why must all of the kernel be done on the same time line?
You know, there's nothing more amusing than seeing these freebsd guys trying
to comment on something [the linux kernal development process for instance]
which they clearly don't understand.
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From: Len Cuff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SiS 6326 XF86Config
Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 16:08:16 +0100
Reply-To: Len Cuff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi,
I've just changed my m/b and the new one has a SiS 6326 8M AGP onboard.
I've downloaded the SuSE X server for this chip but could someone mail
me an XF86Config file which works with this chip please ??? Thanks.
XF86Setup won't run and just locks the system.
Cheers,
Len
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From: crooked eye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!GCC 2.7.2.3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HELP
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 23:43:34 +0000
I am very new to linux. I have downloaded numerous programs from
the internet, but after I extract them I can't do anything else with the
programs. I run ./configure the I get "configure: error: installation
or configuration problem C compiler cannot create executables..
Does anyone know how I can get a C compiler that will function
properly so i can use some programs. I have been trying to use
Koffice. (KDE office suite)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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