Linux-Misc Digest #118, Volume #24 Tue, 11 Apr 00 23:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: log users ("Douglas Moyes")
klogd eating all cpu power (Ewan Dunbar)
Re: Linux vs. Windows Benchmarks (Dances With Crows)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Ermine Todd")
Re: Help with bash (Dave Brown)
Re: mounting problem (Dances With Crows)
Sv: some newbie questions ("Tim Laursen")
Re: SoundBlaster16 module init (Dave Brown)
Re: Help with bash ("Tim Laursen")
Re: Yet another new user ("Tim Laursen")
Re: Programming Languages on Linux ("Tim Laursen")
Mounting Windows (Kevin)
Re: SuSE 6.4
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Mats Olsson)
trouble with using pop3 servers and pine (Russell Schreiber)
Re: /home vs /homes (Bill Unruh)
Re: kppp says pppd not set right (Bill Unruh)
Re: Mounting Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Ermine Todd")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (fungus)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Quantum Leaper")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Floyd Davidson)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (fungus)
Re: logging xterm seesions ("T.E.Dickey")
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From: "Douglas Moyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: log users
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:38:22 GMT
Not really.... unless you make your own program to do so. there is a
ttysnoop program, but that's for pttys.
BTW, If you're going to log everything a user types YOU BETTER LET THEM KNOW
AT LOGIN. I can actually easily circumvent such a logging scheme by sending
encrypted data over the line provided I am able to upload data files or use
the compiler. I'm sure if I put my mind to it, I could do some other things
to really mess with your head... I just find the whole idea of logging a
users actions to be overkill in for security. Even if you were attacked, you
couldn't tell what happened unless you knew what you were looking for.
"jasbo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> does anyone know if there is a way that you can see everything that a
> users type besides using lastcomm or acctcom??
>
> There has to be a way that root can log everything that user types
>
> thanks
>
>
>
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From: Ewan Dunbar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: klogd eating all cpu power
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:29:35 -0400
Has anyone encountered klogd eating up all the cpu power? top reports it
using about 98%, until I restart klogd. Then it behaves normally. I'm trying out
linux mandrake and I installed one kernel and switched to another. Mandrake has
packages that have a kernel and all its modules. I thought that might have
something to do with it, but I don't see how. I did depmod. But it only started
after I switched to the other kernel. /var/log doesn't seem to report anything
unusual.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Linux vs. Windows Benchmarks
Date: 11 Apr 2000 19:47:48 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 05:37:29 -0500, Richard Steiner
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>Here in comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake unto us, saying:
>>where can I find Linux vs. Windows benchmarks?
>Benchmarks doing what? We need more information.
Like Rich said: benchmarks doing what?
Anyway, I'll bite. Do not take this as gospel. The hardware here is an
AMD K6-2 400MHz, 96M RAM, VIA MVP3 chipset (UDMA-33), nVidia TNT2 video
card.
Task Linux 2.3.99-pre3 Win98
Booting system 65 seconds [0] 172 seconds
distributed.net 688 kkeys/sec 470 kkeys/sec
HD block write
(bonnie/hdbench) 17550 k/sec 10154 k/sec
Load list of 160
MP3s from CD-R into
Winamp/Xmms 15 sec 60 sec [1]
Q3demo ~27 fps ~40 fps [2]
Snarf file from the
10bT LAN 700k/sec 700k/sec
Non-quantitative:
Fullscreen MPEG play jerky smooth
Running StarOffice
and Winamp/Xmms at
the same time no problem Soffice crawls
0/ includes time taken to log in and have KDE start up.
1/ The system froze completely while doing this, too.
2/ Damn nVidia. Voodoo cards would give a better apples-to-apples comp.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| Programmers are playwrights
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| Computers are lousy actors
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Lusers are vicious drama critics
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| BOFHen burn down theatres.
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From: "Ermine Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:43:51 -0700
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
I dispute your statements. It is EASY to lock down a user environment such
that the system is protected yet the users can run all the apps to their
hearts content. I've done it and I've seen it done at many locations.
--ET--
"Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8d0c6h$7tb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ermine Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (comp.lang.java.advocacy)
> |> >
> |> > > Linux can handle that kind of treatment without trashing the
> |> > > entire system!
> |> >
> |> > So can NT if it is properly set up.
> |>
> |> Obviously no one has managed to set it up correctly.
> |
> | Do you want your user's to be able to run as Administrator with
> | full ownership and rights on the system or not? If not, then
> | locking down the system is relatively easy.
>
> Locking down NT is *NOT* easy. We had a guy working for Microsoft on
> NT security lock down our CS lab systems and all sorts of havoc still
> broke loose. This guy was way sharp, too.
>
> | But that's typically NOT what users want.
>
> Of course not -- they want to be able to run Microsoft Word.
> That's the problem: lock down NT and it is not usable anymore.
> VMS, which NT is based on, doesn't have that problem.
>
> | The solution (which is being implemented BTW) is to have the OS be
> | self-healing and not allow applications to change the system.
>
> So the next layer of bloat is Ms ImmuneSystem?! Why can't they just
> get it right the first time, like every other OS out there?
>
> Jam (address rot13 encoded)
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Subject: Re: Help with bash
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 11 Apr 2000 18:54:49 -0500
In article <qdtI4.253$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bryan Hoyt wrote:
>Is there anyone out there who can help me or lead me to someplace to get help
>on the bash script?
>
O'Reilly has a book out on bash, which is pretty good.
Bash is about 90% compatible with Korn Shell, and there are several books
on Korn shell scripting. My favorite is "Korn Shell Programming Tutorial"
by Barry Rosenburg.
--
Dave Brown Austin, TX
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: mounting problem
Date: 11 Apr 2000 19:56:59 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:37:19 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<<8d09et$m2u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
> When I change to noauto (not mounting at boot time), then whenever I
>reboot the mounting is gone. is it mean that I have to remount floppy
>every time I reboot? same with cdrom? I do not need to remount on the
>win98 mounting. thanks.
*Linux handles removable media differently from WinXX*. RTM. [0]
You want your /etc/fstab to contain the following lines:
/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,user 0 0
/dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,user,ro 0 0
Then you access a CD-ROM by inserting it and entering "mount /mnt/cdrom"
at a shell prompt, or using the N+1 tools that your favorite window
manager/desktop env. provide to make this easier. Same thing with a
floppy, but you really should "umount /mnt/floppy" before ejecting the
floppy. RTM for details.
If you don't want to bother mounting and umounting floppies, you can use
the mtools to read/write MS-DOS formatted floppies. "man mtools".
[0] Read The Manual. One should've come with your boxed set. If not,
then check /usr/doc/ or enter "help" at the shell prompt or point your
browser at http://www.linuxdoc.org or use the online help that's provided
with GNOME/KDE these days or.... you get the idea.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| Programmers are playwrights
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| Computers are lousy actors
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Lusers are vicious drama critics
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| BOFHen burn down theatres.
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From: "Tim Laursen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Sv: some newbie questions
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 02:15:19 +0200
"Joe M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Peet Grobler wrote:
> > >i noticed that i could not run programs in there directories ie
> > >
> > >#cd usr/games/adom
> > >#adom
> >
> > What message do you get?
> i get adom is a directory i also noticed that
> #./adom
> works as well
There's an old saying that goes "It's not a bug. It's a feature". This is a
very common question in these ng's. The current directory is not included in
the path as a security feature, in the unlikely case that someone should
have put a malicious program in the directory with a name, that may be taken
for a system command, like "dir" for example. If you are very annoyed by
this, you can add the current dir to your PATH variable (edit the .bashrc
file). By the way, when you get the man command to work, "man bash" is an
excellent place to start learning about... well bash.
>
> my man doesn't work i get:
> sh: /usr/bin/gtbl: No such file or directory
> sh: /usr/bin/groff: No such file or directory
>
> i checked and they are not there. Do i need to install these or
> something? by the way i currently only have base installation is this
> why?
Yes to both questions.
- Tim -
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: SoundBlaster16 module init
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 11 Apr 2000 19:12:06 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Luc Bergeron wrote:
>Slackware 7
>
>I'm trying to load the SoundBlaster VIBRA16 module but
>I'm not able !
>
>Processing :
>
>insmod soundcore
>insmod soundlow
>insmod sound
>insmod sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma16=3
>
>modprobe sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma16=3
Biggest problem is that an SB Vibra16 is not a Soundblaster 16,
for which those settings would be appropriate. There are literally
dozens of versions of Soundblaster cards put out by Creative. The
SB 16 ISA (not PNP) card was probably the best. Most of the others
relied on software emulation of the SB 16 card, (i.e., Windows drivers).
--
Dave Brown Austin, TX
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From: "Tim Laursen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help with bash
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 02:18:23 +0200
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <Bryan Hoyt> wrote
news:qdtI4.253$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Is there anyone out there who can help me or lead me to someplace to get
help
> on the bash script?
Well, the obvious and quick answer is "man bash", but I guess it would be
underestimating you to assume that you didn't already check that out.
- Tim -
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From: "Tim Laursen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Yet another new user
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 02:30:50 +0200
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Mark Cubberley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I just got a new laptop that's setup for Win 2000. I'd like to go out /
> >download a copy of Linux-Mandrake to use as an alternate OS. I'm pretty
> >sure my hard drive only has one partition and from what I've read so
> >far, it's best to have the OS's in separate partitions. Can somebody
> >point me in the right direction to some info on the web or possibly
> >relate your own experience setting up L-M after having Win 2000 already
> >installed? Any help or anything would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> It may not be possible to do unless win2k is installed on a FAT16
filesystem.
> FIPS can resize a DOS (FAT16) partition without difficulty, I have used it
> numerous times without a single glitch.
> I don't know what win2k installs on, but from what I understand it is just
> a suped up NT...in that case you will must
> need erase that OS and repartition the drive with a smaller partition,
then
> run the setup and reinstall....
> then (if it doesn't go ahead and decide you really want the whole drive)
> you will be able to make a new partition with Linux fdisk.
If the disc is formatted with Win2000's new file system you need to get
Partition Magic 5 (apparently you also need an upgrade to that, but it's
been a few months since I got that information, so it is possible, that the
upgrade now comes with new distributions). It's a commercial program, but it
is very nice.
- Tim -
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From: "Tim Laursen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Programming Languages on Linux
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 02:38:52 +0200
"Lew Pitcher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrotenews:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Peet Grobler wrote:
> >
> > What programming languages are there on linux? I know about C++, Fortran
and
> > Pascal. But anything else? Anything that's "own" to Linux?
>
> Let's see... We had this question come up a couple of months ago, and
> I believe that we concluded that there were something like 30+
> programming languages useable on Linux. Most of then are freely
> available, but a few are commercial products. Off the top of my head,
> there was...
>
> COBOL, C, C++, Fortran, Simula, Modula, Lisp, Pascal, Perl, Python,
> Java, TCL (and TK), Bash, Csh, Ksh, pdsh, and Assembly language
> (platform specific). I know I've forgotten more of the list than I've
> remembered.
And that doesn't even include the very nerdy ones like LISP and ML :-)
- Tim -
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From: Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mounting Windows
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 00:30:21 GMT
I am new to Linux, but I am told that Linux can access files on other
partitions if windows is mounted in Linux.
I tried doing the following in Linux:
mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /windows
However, I get an error that it can't find it or directory does not exist.
I am not too familiar to Linux, so maybe someone could help. Also, after
it is done, how do I access my windows files? Can I access them through
Netscape Navigator in Linux or do I have to use the shell?
Kevin
--
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SuSE 6.4
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 00:30:10 GMT
Aron Felix Gurski wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Has anybody found a review of SuSE 6.4.
>
> Yup, here:
> http://www.pro-linux.de/berichte/print/suse64.html
>
> --
> -- Aron
>
> NB: To reply by e-mail, remove "spam-block." from my address.
> - - - - - - - - - - -
> If a listener nods his head when you're explaining your program, then
wake him
> up.
Thanks but how about an English version. :)
--
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http://www.help.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mats Olsson)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: 12 Apr 2000 00:51:17 GMT
In article <OEIhwBBp$GA.227@cpmsnbbsa03>, Ermine Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I dispute your statements. It is EASY to lock down a user environment such
>that the system is protected yet the users can run all the apps to their
>hearts content. I've done it and I've seen it done at many locations.
So, needing to have the MS Office .dll's writable isn't necessary
anymore then?
/Mats, who tried to lock down NT... well, it _was_ 4 years ago or so.
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From: Russell Schreiber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: trouble with using pop3 servers and pine
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:47:37 -0400
i set up my inbox path to look like:
{email.psu.edu:110}inbox
and when it checks for mail, it says its recieving the wrong response.
it appears to be looking for the response that an imap server would
give. is there anyway to tell pine that the server is pop3 other than by
specifying the port number of 110? thanks for any help you can give.
Russell Schreiber
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: /home vs /homes
Date: 12 Apr 2000 00:59:04 GMT
In <8cvdrr$270$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael W.
Godfrey) writes:
>When I installed RH6.2 just the other day, I created a disk partition
>labelled /homes; so of course Redhat then installed all of the home
>directories under /home within the "/" partition leaving /homes empty.
>Suitably chastened, I now want to move the home dirs over to the separate
>partition so I can feel free to wipe "/" for complete upgrades etc.
cd /home
tar -cpf - .|(cd /homes;tar-xpf -)
umount /homes
edit /etc/fstab and change /homes to /home
mv /home /home.old
mkdir /home
chmod a+rx /home
mount -a
After you are sure you are happy with what you have in /home,
rm -r /home.old
Do all of the above as root.
Note that that last command is the only irreversible command in the lot.
Be absolutely sure check 4 times, that you have everything from
/home.old in the new /home partition before you erase it. They just
before you do, check again.
>I am happy to rename this partition "/home" if that will make things easier.
>What do I need to change to fix everything up?
>Any help appreciated.
>-- Mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: kppp says pppd not set right
Date: 12 Apr 2000 01:05:09 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> G. R. Gaudreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>This is weird. I just updated the kdenetwork package and now kppp tells me that
>pppd is not properly installed, something about SUID. I'm not sure what
>that means. Can someone please help?
By default pppd is installed as runnable by root only
cd /usr/sbin
chmod a+rx pppd chat
chmod u+s pppd
On the other hand, kppp tends to like to be suid root as well. This is a
real security hole and I have no faith that kppp has been written with
security in mind. If so you may have to find the kppp binary (whereis
kppp) and also make it suid root
chmod u+s kppp
Then you can also send me a blank cheque with your signature on it.
After all you can trust people you meet on the web, can't you?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Mounting Windows
Date: 12 Apr 2000 01:09:00 GMT
Kevin wrote:
>
> I am new to Linux, but I am told that Linux can access files on other
> partitions if windows is mounted in Linux.
>
> I tried doing the following in Linux:
>
> mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /windows
>
> However, I get an error that it can't find it or directory does not exist.
> I am not too familiar to Linux, so maybe someone could help. Also, after
> it is done, how do I access my windows files? Can I access them through
> Netscape Navigator in Linux or do I have to use the shell?
You will have to make a directory for a mount point. It is easiest to
do this from the command line. You must be logged in as root. Then
type the following:
mkdir /C
mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /C
You should then be able to access your windows directories from the command
line or any number of file management utilities as root. Of course it's
not a good idea to do your normal work as root. You should have a user
login from which you most everything. So how do you mount your windows
directories safely? read on:
Secure Mounting for DOS Partitions:
In order to open up permissions on your DOS partitions in a
secure way do the following:
Note: in the samples below the dos usrid (63) and grpid(63)
were selected so they wouldn't duplicate any other
usrid or grpid in /etc/passwd or /etc/group.
1) Make a dos user who can't login by adding the following
line to /etc/passwd:
dos:*:63:63:MSDOS Accessor:/dos:
2) Make a dos group and add users to the dos group. In the
following example root and ejy are in the dos group. To
do this add a line like the following to /etc/group:
dos::63:root,ejy
3) Add the following line (changed to suit your system) to
/etc/fstab:
/dev/hda1 /C vfat users,noauto,uid=63,gid=63,umask=007 0 0
Of course you have to locate your DOS partitions in the
first place. This is done by issuing the following
commands as 'root':
/sbin/fdisk -l
df
cat /etc/fstab
The `fdisk -l` command lists all available devices. `df`
shows which devices are mounted and how much is on them.
And /etc/fstab lists all mountable devices. The devices
remaining are Extended partitions, a kind of a partition
envelop, which you don't want to mount. And the
partitions allocated to other operating systems which you
may want to mount.
4) Create a mount point for your DOS disk by issuing the
following commands as root:
mkdir /C
chown dos.dos /C
With this setup the C: drive is not mounted at boot time.
You can mount it by issuing the command:
mount /C
Only root and ejy can read and write to it. Note that vfat
in /etc/fstab works for vfat16 (and vfat32 natively for
Linux 2.0.34 and above).
Enjoy...
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From: "Ermine Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:06:58 -0700
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
To my knowledge, it has NEVER been necessary. The only possible reason that
I could see for having something writable would be if you were using that
directory to hold temporary files ... but not even that is necessary. The
only reason to have the DLLs writable would be if you are updating them for
some reason, and if your environment is as you describe, there's really no
reason requiring them on the local system, so they could be on a network
share somewhere and the admin could update them in one location as needed.
Now, I admit that I don't know everything about configuring Office, so maybe
I'm wrong on this, ... maybe. But I sure don't find any knowledge base
articles stating this need and I don't see any inherent reason for this so
if you know different, I'd sure like to know.
--ET--
"Mats Olsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8d0ha5$dv6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <OEIhwBBp$GA.227@cpmsnbbsa03>, Ermine Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >I dispute your statements. It is EASY to lock down a user environment
such
> >that the system is protected yet the users can run all the apps to their
> >hearts content. I've done it and I've seen it done at many locations.
>
> So, needing to have the MS Office .dll's writable isn't necessary
> anymore then?
>
> /Mats, who tried to lock down NT... well, it _was_ 4 years ago or so.
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From: fungus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:09:25 GMT
Ermine Todd wrote:
>
> Innovation does NOT equate to de novo invention.
>
No, but I'd want a pretty big evolutionary leap in order
to call it true "innovation". If they'd reduced the mouse
to a little ring I can wear on my finger or something
then I'd accept innovation. As it is, they just improved
combined some existing ideas.
Considering that Microsoft has an entire division devoted
to pure research ( http://www.research.microsoft.com/ )
they don't seem to be inventing much.
> there is little, if any, pure invention.
No, but there is *some* pure invention. All we want
is a single example of a Microsoft invention.
>From the way Bill Gates adds the word "innovation" to every
sentence he utters in public these days, you'd expect
Microsoft supporters to be able to come up with reams and
reams of the things, but so far it all seems to be more
rhetoric for those among the population who can be fooled
all of the time...
--
<\___/>
/ O O \
\_____/ FTB.
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From: "Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:18:54 GMT
"fungus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> Patrick O'Neil wrote:
> >
> > I STRONGLY encourage you to write to the DOJ (their
> > website has an email address specifically for people
> > to submit messages regarding the Microsoft trial).
>
> ...so where's their web site?
>
> > (Isn't it funny
> > that Corel can make a good office suite with the
> > wordprocessor remaining compatible with EVERY version
> > of WordPerfect that has come before it? It doesn't
> > make a good office product to break the format between
> > every new version that comes out).
> >
>
> Yep. Are people forgettign that this is the company
> whose '97 version of a word processor was incapable
> of reading files created by their '95 version of the
> same program.
>
Word couldn't save Word 95 format, it saved it as RTF instead, which the
did issue a patch.
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: 11 Apr 2000 16:25:24 -0800
JTK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>fungus wrote:
>>
>> Andre Kostur wrote:
>> >
>> > >2) Total abstraction of a wide range of underlying
>> > >hardware, including a wide range of audio and display
>> > >technologies (and hardware accellerators).
>> >
>> > X-Window? (Ancient technology by computer terms...) Not
>> > too sure about the Audio end of things.
>> >
>>
>> FILE *f = fopen("/dev/audio", "wb");
>>
>
>Yeah, find me ONE unixite that won't squeal at the "b" in
>there. "All files are text files dag nabbit! You younguns
>don't know what's good fer ya!"
The "wb" is *required* to be accepted if the compiler ANSI/ISO
compliant. Even among the few remaining non ANSI compilers it
is doubtful you will find even one that will not accept "wb".
You don't seem to understand that not only are all unix files
text files, they are also all binary files too... every last
one of them! (Hint: unix won't squeal at all, it will just
totally ignore the "b".)
>> I'm not sure the PC has reached the price of an Amiga yet.
>>
>
>They're cheaper. Amigas were selling for at least $1500 IIRC. Sans
>monitor.
That is true. They *finally* caught up, after all these years.
You are calling that an innovation?
Floyd
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Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: fungus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:19:04 GMT
Ermine Todd wrote:
>
> Horrors! Why they couldn't have just created a text file called
> version.txt (never mind that the user might have thousands of apps
> installed) and that the file has to be parsed with a custom parser
> (since there is no standard) and that there is no API to allow for
> interrogation. Why couldn't they have done it just like Unix. <G>
>
That's a very good question Todd...
My Unix allows installations to be rolled forwards and
backwards easily through a thing called a "software manager"
which is a graphical tool which helps you to control what
software is installed on the machine.
The "software manager" requires a password to run so normal
users can't do anything bad to the machine. It keeps
track of changes made during installations so if something
goes wrong, you can just go back through the installation
history and fix it.
The "software manager" allows applications can be downgraded
as well as upgraded, just stick the CD with the older version
of the software in the drive and click yes when it says "that's
an older version of the app, are you sure you want to downgrade"
I've been using it since, let's see... a couple of years before
the launch of Windows 95. The machines I've been using it on
have never had to have the OS reinstalled or anything like
that...
Why can't Microsoft manage something like this? Eh, Todd...?
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/ O O \
\_____/ FTB.
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From: "T.E.Dickey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: logging xterm seesions
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.system
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:24:38 GMT
In comp.os.linux.development.system Gast Primus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've noticed that the logging of xterms is not supported by linux - the menu
> option does not exist and the xterm help states that it is unsupported. How
> do I log my xterm sessions.
it's a compilation option (for xterm).
but 'script' does a better job.
--
Thomas E. Dickey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey
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