Linux-Misc Digest #118, Volume #26 Mon, 23 Oct 00 08:13:02 EDT
Contents:
tape backup + mount tab? (Martin Gustavsson)
Re: GPL questions? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Microsoft Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: screen shoot during LINUX installation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: GPL questions? (John Hasler)
Peanut and Soundblaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Peanut and Soundblaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: tape backup + mount tab? (Esa Tikka)
Re: Star Office 6.0? (Carl Fink)
Re: Adding Windows on a separate hard drive ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Mindspring/Earthlink with Linux (0/1) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Microsoft Linux? ("David ..")
Athalon and Mandrake (Martin Racette)
Re: decent synaptics driver? (Alexander Clouter)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Gustavsson)
Subject: tape backup + mount tab?
Date: 23 Oct 2000 09:04:53 GMT
Hello
I am rather new to linux, but i have some experience with solaris 2.5 -
2.8.
1. i am looking for a tool that dumpes file systems to tape, like solaris
ufsdump. is there any one who knows what tool i can use?
2. after i installed mandrake 7.1 i wanted to mount a file system on a
different mount point, in sunos there is a file called vfstab where the
mount information is stored, but i didn�t find a similar in linux. I find a
GUI tool for this but i want to know what file the information is stored.
Can anyone help me?
i use mandrake 7.1 on amd platform.
/Martin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: GPL questions?
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 02:19:06 -0700
On or about Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:44:19 GMT, Neil Cherry
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scrivened:
> I need some pointers on using the GPL, I know this isn't exactly the
> right place but if you be so kind as to point me in the direction,
> Thanks.
> What I specifically want to know is: what do I have do to setup the
> GPL license to make it enforcable. Just saying it is, is not enough.
In addition to other references give, you might want to check out
news:gnu.misc.discuss, the license-discuss list run by the Open Source
Initiative, and keep tabs on what's happening at the FSF.
The conventional wisdom is that the GNU GPL is a specially crafted
exemption, to those who accept it, of the standard protections of
copyright given to copyright holders. If the license isn't accepted,
the exemptions aren't granted. As in most nations of the world,
copyright protections are granted in a work at the moment in which it is
created ("fixed in a tangible medium" in US law), there is no "enabling
action" understood to be required for the GPL.
I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice.
--
Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.netcom.com/~kmself
Evangelist, Opensales, Inc. http://www.opensales.org
What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal
http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Microsoft Linux?
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:58:47 GMT
We all know what happened when Microsoft invested in Apple.
They ended up using MS Internet Explorer. In return
Microsoft created the next version of their MS Office for Mac.
This is kind of weird. Apple dependent on another company
to create a product that runs on their OS, in order for their
OS/Mac to thrive and sell more.
You never hear Microsoft asking Sun to port Solaris applications
to Windows in order for Windows to thrive.
This means that there are not many developers at Apple who knows
how to make good applications. Applications that are strong enough
people will buy an operating system to run it.
Lets look at Linux. There are basically no hardcore applications
that Linux has that people NEED to use Linux to run it. But there is
MS Office (used by like 90% of the companies in the world). Microsoft
recently bought influence in Corel (which has their own Linux flavor).
If
Corel were to port .NET apps from Microsoft (ActiveX and COM+ stuff)
to Linux, and it becomes popular, the Linux community may become
dependent on Microsoft apps. (Similar to Mac dependent on MS Office
to thrive). Pretty soon, Microsoft can use this dependency to
leverage control over the Linux marketplace. (The same with
what they did on the Apple marketplace). They may end up tweaking
the code so that performance on Linux is not on par with performance
on Windows, which may shift the people previously commited to
Linux to go to Windows (if they only need Windows
Apps, the operating system does not matter anymore).
The other option is for Microsoft to market their own Linux.
But we all know that any extension of Microsoft is meant to
create dependency on Microsoft Windows. For example, when
Microsoft created J++, they put a lot of plumbing that made
it work only on Windows. When they bought Xenix (unix), they
basically dumped it in favor of Windows even though windows was
at its infancy, and DOS was not as sophisticated as unix at that time.
So when Microsoft goes into the Linux space, they will most likely
put plumbing in Corel Linux or create their own Linux so that makes
certain parts of the OS dependent on Microsoft technology.
(Like J++ needs windows API for sophisticated and easy to use
features). People wanting to connect to windows world through
linux will only buy Linux with the Microsoft plumbing (no other
Linux will have it since only Corel Linux has the .NET stuff).
This would end up extending Microsoft's presence into Linux.
Soon, Microsoft's Linux would become the most popular, and basically
attract all the investements and dollars. Other Linux distribution
companies won't be able to compete and die out. (Similar to what
happened to Borland and Corel and Novell).
With a lot of companies hoping onto the Linux bandwagon (IBM and
Sun for example), it looks like this is another area ripe for
investment and marketing activity. Microsoft will be wanting to
extend their presence to this market as well.
There are basically three ways to attract computer consumers.
1) Attract them via the operating system
2) Attract them via the application
3) Attract them via the hardware
For Microsoft:
1) Windows
2) MS Office
3) Special Keyboard/Mouse
For Linux:
1) Linux
2) ??
3) ??
People are attracted to Linux because of the platform right now.
It is a neat free gadget to play with, and can run neat open
source applications. This is very similar to the attraction
Microsoft had for its first versions of Windows. (3.11 for example).
People got attracted to the OS and started developing apps for it.
The Linux community is now beginning to see apps being developed for
it, but there is yet a strong linux app geared specifically for Linux.
General GNU and opensource apps from Mozilla and Apache run on
multiple operating systems, not just Linux. If apps start
coming to Linux so that it is of very high value and runs
specifially for Linux, THAT is the day when Windows will see
serious competition. However, if Microsoft was to become the
first to dominate the Linux apps market like they did with Apple,
then Linux may become just another MS dependent OS market.
So in the near future you will see Microsoft try to wrestle control
away from the Linux community, like they tried to do with their
proprietary version of Java (J++).
In the marketplace, you either create a competing product with
different technology, or you make a similar product to steal
the market. Palm was first, so Microsoft came out with CE/PocketPC
(different technology). For the browsers, Microsoft made a similar
one to steal the market, and then incorporated differences to
make it stand out. For Linux Microsoft is going to try to
make a similar product via Corel Linux to steal the market and
then make it different to stand out via .NET and in the future
MS Office that ONLY runs on Linux with .NET stuff underneath.
Market penetration is very important. If the size of the market
is not big enough, it may get swallowed up. The video gaming market
is big enough that three major players can fit in it. It is even
bigger than the computer gaming market. If market penetration is low,
it may dissapear like a fad. Newton did not generate enough of a
market to warrant existence. Palm is just around the corner, and
is getting help from manufacturers like Sony. Commodore and Atari
went away because the market was not big enough and the big industry
players basically used their executive influence to axe them.
Is it possible to compete with Microsoft? Definitely. There are
many ways. For Linux, you can utilize Linux characteristics and
use them as an advantage. Because Linux is developed on the
internet, it needs to keep development in internet time. An evolving
platform cannot die if it has market penetration and is able to
sustain it through fast evolutions in internet time. Feature for
feature, if the Linux community comes out with apps exponentially
for linux, this would be a driving force that will make it the most
popular OS. If linux evolves more user=friendly interfaces for the
consumer, it may end up the OS for the rest of us. But people
need to develop apps for it, apps that run specifically for it.
Linux must play to the human psychie. A kid who see's a cool game
will buy the platform to play the game at all costs. A person who
sees a neat minicomputer like a palm computer will get it if he is
"hooked", and will try to buy it at all costs. Similarly,
if there is ONE game that only runs on Linux and is a game people
will buy a Linux computer just to play it, then that is the day
when Linux will be a common household item.
This is the strategy Microsoft played when it grabbed the UK
game developer of Black and White to produce only for the XBox.
If Black and White is a hot ticket to a new platform, everyone
will get the XBox just to play it.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,linux.redhat.install,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: screen shoot during LINUX installation
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:07:03 GMT
In article <X%lI5.49703$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [Posted and mailed]
>
> In article <8sr6g8$f1f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > Hi,
> > I am wondering if there is any simple hardware that I can use on a
> > seperate machine to capture (screenshoot, screen grab, screen dump
> > etc...) the video signal from my computer as I install an operating
> > system like Red Hat Linux 5.2 through to 7.0?
>
> The best way I know of for doing this is to install Linux in a VMware
> session (http://www.vmware.com). You can then capture the VMware
screen
> using the GIMP, xv, or whatever. This will NOT get any
hardware-specific
> screens, though, unless it's hardware that VMware happens to emulate.
>
This is very promising to see that a software solution is possible. I
must say that this does cost quite a bit, for a hobblist this is stiff.
I am not doing this for a profit and I am afraid it is just slightly
out of my reach.
Is there any other possible/probable solution to get a screen shoot?
BTW, someone please help me figure this problem out. Right now I am
using RedHat Linux 6.0 on a desk top. I also have my laptop on Gnu
Debian 1.3.
Since there is still hopes to get my hands on an evaluation version.
I am not sure if the XFree86 in my present installation are OK.
According to the site, vmware works with XFree86 version 3.3.4.
Being a LINUX user all this time. Does anyone knows about how to check
and/or update my XFree86?
Thanks in advance (I hope this is not too Off Topic.)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GPL questions?
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 04:13:28 GMT
Neil Cherry writes:
> I think I agree, so it looks like the first 2 steps (the COPY file and
> the text in the files to GPL) are all I need.
I suggest that you also include a file named 'copyright' with contents
something like this:
foo is a text utility for barring baz.
Copyright (C) 1999 John G. Hacker ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Copyright (C) 2000 Joan J. Coder ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it
under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free
Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option)
any later version.
You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License along
with this program (in the file COPYING); if not, write to the Free
Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA
02111-1307 USA or contact the author.
The 'copyright' section in each file should reference the 'copyright' file
and should have a line for each author who contributed to that file. The
'copyright' file should include a copright line for every author who has
contributed to any file.
Tedious, I know. Copyright law is like that. It shouldn't be too hard to
set up scripts to keep this stuff up to date.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Peanut and Soundblaster
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 06:58:35 -0400
Thought I would pass along this little tip I discovered last night.
I installed Peanut with the 2.2.18 kernel. Among the sound cards that
the setup said the kernel supports was mine--Soundblaster PCI 128. When
I un-commented the /sbin/modprobe es1370 module entry in setup and
reinstalled, I still couldn't get the sound card to work.
Then, while in Linux, I looked at one of the System Information entries,
and found that the Peanut system probe identified my card as "es1371".
I remembered seeing that as one of the modules either in /lib or /rd.d.
So I went into setup/modules again, and added a line that said
/sbin/modprobe es1371, and VIOLA!!! as Joe Bob would say. The sound
card worked like a champ!
Thought that might help some of you who have a similar sound card.
Lambo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Peanut and Soundblaster
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 06:59:27 -0400
OOPS!! That last bit should have read <rc.d>.
Sorry!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Esa Tikka)
Subject: Re: tape backup + mount tab?
Date: 23 Oct 2000 10:19:33 GMT
On 23 Oct 2000, Martin Gustavsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello
>
>2. after i installed mandrake 7.1 i wanted to mount a file system on a
>different mount point, in sunos there is a file called vfstab where the
>mount information is stored, but i didn�t find a similar in linux. I find a
What you're looking for is /etc/fstab
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: Star Office 6.0?
Date: 23 Oct 2000 10:33:38 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:26:09 -0500 John Scudder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Has anyone heard anything about Star Office 6.0?
It's in an open test program, currently in a fairly advanced alpha
stage, at www.openoffice.org.
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum
<http://dm.net>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Adding Windows on a separate hard drive
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 07:16:53 -0400
I assume you want to be able to switch between Linux and Windoze, so ...
A simplistic solution, but quick!
If your BIOS will support it, keep both discs connected. Have them
either connected via the same cable as Primary and Secondary, or connect
them each to separate IDE connectors on your Motherboard (if it has
two). Then, at boot time, enter your BIOS setup mode and de-select the
one you DON'T want to use. I have two separate hard discs doing
essentially the same as you describe--Linux on one and Windoze on the
other. The BIOS on my ABIT BX6Rev 2 remembers the setup parameters even
when I select "NONE" for the particular disc. Then a reboot, setup, and
select the disc with the system I want, and I'm off and running. No
messing around with selective boot programs. Crude, but FAST and
uncomplicated.
Lambo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I have a machine that runs solely Redhat 6.1. It has a 9GB hard drive
> dedicated to Linux. Now I would like to add a second hard drive entirely
> dedicated to the latest version of Windows 2000. About 10GB would be
> fine. The question is, what steps do I have to take to add a second
> hard drive? I want it to boot into Linux by default or into Windows
> if explicitly stated.
>
> The reason is that my employer is requiring remote access for on-call
> work, and Linux is not supported. I have been given a SecureID key
> and I don't even know how to begin to configure Linux for remote
> access. I need this ASAP so it cannot turn into a 10 day project. :)
>
> I realize this is a FAQ question, so any pointers to web sites, etc.
> would be greatly appreciated. Also estimated cost for a SCSI hard
> drive + copy of Windows would be great.
>
> Ilya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Mindspring/Earthlink with Linux (0/1)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 07:25:05 -0400
Noble,
You wrote <<<The attachment to this message>>> (snip)
Got your mail message where you attempted to send me the binary images
that would not post to this NG. But, unfortunately, something happened
along the way, and the attachment
simply came out as a status message. I use Netscape 4.75 as my
mail server. I copied the attachment to a file, then opened it, and
it
was nothing more than a status message about inability to deliver.
I appreciate your response. Maybe you can figure out another way
to get
this to me.
Lambo
>
> The attachment to this message has the contents of my ppp-on,
> ppp-0n-dialer, pap-secrets, .demand-ppd, and ppp-off scripts that work
> with mindspring.
>
> the demand-pppd script will connect you whenever a program needs a
> connection. I REALLY love it. I wish I could remember who wrote it so I
> could give them credit.
>
> All these are in my /etc/ppp/ directory. Each script has #!/bin/sh at
> the start. You will have to separate them out into individual files.
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Linux?
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 06:12:08 -0400
Linux isn't about world control like M$ is (though many may disagree),
it is about freedom of choice and control of your system. As long as
Linux and it's distributors make a powerful & stable system then linux
will be a contender for M$ to deal with.
I for one don't see where M$ will ever make .NET fly. What are their
users going to do when the servers go down and all of the "service"
users can't access their files? When I used M$ products I bought a
program and used it for years. I still have the programs though now they
just collect dust. I wouldn't have paid any software company a monthly
fee for their service. I never did like IE so why should I be forced to
have it on my system? Now I can download and install what I need for my
system for free if I choose to. I am no longer tied to M$'s upgrade
scheme and have a more powerful & stable system to show for it. Not only
does my system do everything I need it to do, it also has a webserver,
mail server, Proxy server, DNS, firewall, runs multiple seti@home work
units, and a few other things and still has power to do much more since
it is a "true" multi-user multi-tasking system.
If you want a system to play games you buy a toy.
If you want a system to get things done and not crash you either buy or
download a linux distribution and install what you want or need not what
someone shoves down your throat. If I need to install it on 2 systems??
No problem I don't need to buy a second CD or license to do it. BTW it
would be a little bit expensive since I have 4 systems running linux.
For years M$ has tried to make it so that everyone needs M$ products
with their embrace and extinguish tactics and now everyone has a choice.
Linux isn't for everyone and many may run both linux and M$. I for one
don't need M$ anymore.
--
Confucius say: He who play in root, eventually kill tree.
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
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From: Martin Racette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Athalon and Mandrake
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:51:36 GMT
Hi guys,
I would like to know if I could get an Athalon Thunderbird system runnin=
g=20
with Linux Mandrake 7.1, and what kind of very big bug I might run in to=
Thank you in advance
Merci a l'avance
Martin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Clouter)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: decent synaptics driver?
Date: 23 Oct 2000 11:48:07 GMT
On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 09:58:22 -0400, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The regular P/S 2 driver that drives the syaptics touchpad on my Compaq
> 1270 laptop makes the mouse movement erratic. Does anyone know of a
> driver that will work with it?
>
> Any and all help appreciated.
>
this is caused by a nasty option set up that linux doesn't like
much. If you use gpm and then set up X to read from a repeated device
then its happy.
Heres my /etc/gpm.conf file
===========
device=/dev/psaux
responsiveness=
type=synps2
append=""
repeat_type=msc
===========
you will also need a /etc/gpm-syn.conf
===========
edge_motion_enabled 1
edge_motion_speed_enabled 1
corner_taps_enabled 1
taps_enabled 1
pressure_speed_enabled 1
tossing_enabled 1
does_toss_use_static_speed 1
low_pressure 40
speed_up_pressure 75
pressure_factor 0.05
standard_speed_factor 0.08
min_toss_time 100
max_toss_time 300
toss_cleanup_time 300
min_toss_dist 2
static_toss_speed 70
toss_speed_factor 0.5
edge_speed 20
upper_left_action 0
upper_right_action 3
lower_left_action 0
lower_right_action 2
===========
and add these lines as approiate to your /etc/X11/XF86Config file
===========
Option "Protocol" "MouseSystems"
Option "Device" "/dev/gpmdata"
===========
This should get things off, however you will need to edit your
/etc/gpm-syn.conf file manually to get things to how you will like
them. BTW I hate my gpm-syn.conf file and so have my mouse as a
PS/2. If you have a nice setup you like send me your gpm-syn.conf file,
I do miss being ale to corner tap for my middle button :(
Hope that helps
Alex
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