Linux-Misc Digest #158, Volume #20 Tue, 11 May 99 20:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?)
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: ATI and X Server problem (JPC)
Re: KDE very slow (Yan Seiner)
Re: Some USR modems are MS-only, Re: [SURVEY] Who has an internal (Charles Morley)
kernel too large, what now? (David Murray)
Re: HOSTNAME: I don;t get it (brian moore)
NTFS - again and Redhat 6.0 (Bruce Robertson)
Re: sticky shift keys in linux ("Charles Sullivan")
Re: Eudora-like mail program for linux? (With Filters etc) (Kevin Reeder)
Re: Redhat Sparc wants 150M Smaller needed! (Darren Greer)
Re: Monolithic vs modular kernel performance. ("Maung San Zaw")
Re: How do I UNinstall a generic program? ("Michael Schmeing")
Eudora-like mail program for linux? (With Filters etc) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Star office on glibc 2.1? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Nothing to do with Nothing (jik-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Date: 11 May 1999 16:00:13 GMT
Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>snip<
:> So if I install FooBar as I install my system install (being a
:> prebuilt package available in the "distribution"), it should be
:> installed in /usr, however if install FooBar myself outside of the
:> original system install, it should be in /usr/local? Sorry, but
:> that makes no sense. Unless FooBar is part of the actual operating
:> system it has no purpose being anywhere near /usr.
:
: If you don't want the distribution versions, don't install them. You can
: put your version under /usr/local if that is where you want to store and
: (forever) maintain it.
I'm still not sure of what you mean. Are you saying that if the
distribution can install the FooBar package, it should go in /usr
but if you install it yourself later it should go in /usr/local?
-This is all assuming that FooBar *isn't* a "system" component, just
an extra package the "distribution" thinks is "cool" enough to let
you install at system install time.
And what do you mean by "maintain" it? FreeBSD ports and package
installs that go into /usr/local are fully registered in the package
database, ditto for Solaris packages and pretty much every other
Unix system I've worked with. Are you saying Linux systems in
general don't register packages if they are installed in /usr/local?
That doesn't sound correct at all.
:> Also, under Unix the difference between a source code install vs a
:> "pre-built" or package install should have absolutely no relevance
:> as to where it is installed.
:
: It isn't a source vs. binary distinction. If you build from source RPMs
: from the distribution the installation goes to the system directories just
: like the binary version. It is a distribution vs. your own copy
: distinction.
Do you define "distribution" as being the base system (kernel + OS
system components and utilities) or do you define it as the base
system + all the random toys that nearly every single Linux and *BSD
system installer will offer to install for you durring base system
install?
: It is annoying at times but in these days of new full distributions every
: 6 months it is nice to only have to separately maintain the things that
: are not included.
*everything* is "included" (or at least damn close to it) in nearly
all Linux and *BSD "distributions". The distinction should be
system components vs non-system components. No sane system defines
it as anything else.
: If you have /usr/local as a separate partition or a symlink to a directory
: in another partition you can safely wipe out your system partition(s) and
: reinstall the latest of everything
Define "everything". The system or the system + extra toys such as
Gimp that the "distribution" may include?
: without losing any of the other software you have installed there. If a
: system update clobbers anything in 'your' directories you might have to
: wade through a backup to sort things out.
"System", that's the key word here, *system update*. Not system
plus all the neat little toys that every "distribution" allows one
to install at "system" install/update time.
--
-Zenin ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
My code is filled with comments! It's just that my comments are
written in Perl.
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From: JPC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: ATI and X Server problem
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:27:50 +0100
TS Stahl escreveu:
Sorry, Mladden, Redhat did not license the metroX server for 5.2. However=
,
> JPC, all is not lost. Surf over to Redhat and grab the XFree86 3.3.3.1=
RPM
> upgrade. I don't know if the Rage II is specifically supported, but it=
> will drive your card.
>
> HTH
> Happy computing.
>
> JPC wrote:
>
> > I=B4m having a serious problem:
> > I have a PC with an ATI RageII-chipset Mach64GT, 4Mb card and a 15"
> > monitor.
> > I=B4m using RH 5.2 Linux.
> >
> > Linux install OK.
> >
> > But when trying to launch XWindow problems come.
> > When trying to autoprobe system crashed.
>
> --
> Scott Stahl
> MIS Asst.
> Illinois Housing Development Authority
Thank you all guys.
I'll try to download latest XFree86.
JPC
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From: Yan Seiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE very slow
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:37:51 -0400
Or maybe a hardware config?
I run KDE 1.1 on a P5-166 with 64 MB RAM, and performance is fine. I
run across a network using VNC, and never had a performance problem.
Yan
jik- wrote:
>
> I recently tried KDE 1.1.1pre1 and yes, KDE is tremendously slow.
> Someone somewere down the development line REALLY screwed this one up.
> KDE Beta3 was the last KDE I tried that worked (Beta4 turned out broken
> and I quit using it) it was somewhat slow to start, but then ran just
> fine for the most part...slower then other systems, but it was a
> reasonable amount for what you got. The new KDE seems to be much slower
> then would be expected for what you get, especially considering that it
> runs slower now on a 200Mhz then it did then on a 150 with less RAM.
> Looks like the desktop fiasco has taken a major turn for the worst.
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From: Charles Morley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Some USR modems are MS-only, Re: [SURVEY] Who has an internal
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:28:17 -0700
Jan Johansson wrote:
>
> >It would be good if 3Com would label its retail packaging clearly,
> >so we could know at point-of-sale which modems in its product line are
> >Microsoft-only.
>
> They do. They say "winmodem" or "sportster winmodem" on the box.
They also say(mine did) on the back of the box: for windows only
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From: David Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: kernel too large, what now?
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:28:21 GMT
I am trying to compile the kernel 2.2.6... well, okay, I already
compiled it. I had to do a make bzImage because it was too large for
make zImage. but, Lilo doesn't seem to like it either! The file is
about 600K but lilo says it is too large.. I cannot make it any smaller
without removing things that I need from this kernel, so what do I do
now?>
--DavidM
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: HOSTNAME: I don;t get it
Date: 11 May 1999 22:46:11 GMT
On Mon, 10 May 1999 21:49:00 -0500,
not_here <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have the following in a rh52 w/k 2.2.5 and all updates:
> In /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit an entry like:
> HOSTNAME=candle.linux.org
Wow... you got a machine located at linux.org?
Or are you just making up a name?
Beware: if you just make up a name, you can expect problems. For one,
your mail will look like it's from some address at a machine owned by
linux.org. That's almost certainly not what you want, since you won't
be able to get mail at that address, nor will you be able to send mail
to sites that check to see if your hostname is valid.
> I can ping, ftp, telnet, etc... localhost, candle, or my dynamic ip...
>
> but if I try to type at the prompt:
>
> mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> the mail gets bounced... with a "server domain must exist," or "service
> unavailable."
Probably because you haven't defined what 'linux.org' is, have you?
> candle = username
> linux.org = my domain
No, it's not your domain. You don't own 'linux.org'. I'd suggest you
don't use that.
Besides, you've named your system 'candle.linux.org', not 'linux.org'.
> Also when I use the gnome-panel... it complaints about not being able to
> locate candle.linux.org and it stops only when i add :
> 127.0.0.1 localhost candle
> in /etc/hosts
That's where you should put it.
Just leave out the other one. You don't have the IP number 0.0.0.0
either (and it won't work anyway).
> Could someone also please post his/her sections I mentioned for:
> /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit
> /etc/sysconfig/network
> /etc/HOSTNAME
> /etc/hosts
> for a dial up connection
No changes made from stock RH. Just ran linuxconf and told it to do
ppp.
You're making this much harder than it really is.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Robertson)
Subject: NTFS - again and Redhat 6.0
Date: 7 May 1999 01:39:41 GMT
Hi All,
I am wondering if anyone has seen/heard of NTFS support
in RedHat 6.0 yet..
Only been a few days since its release, but I would like
to use it if possible..
And I would like to do read/write operations too, but I
gather it is unlikely we have a stable writning NTFS driver
at this stage..
regards,
Bruce Robertson + [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Engineering Computer Resources, + [EMAIL PROTECTED]
C/o Faculty of Engineering, + Phone: + (61)(3) 9344-4242
University of Melbourne, 3052. AUSTRALIA + Fax: + (61)(3) 9347-2480
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From: "Charles Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: sticky shift keys in linux
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:14:04 -0400
This will probably require a driver of some sort. One such driver for the
IBM-PC
under MS-DOS was written in 8086 assembly language quite a few years ago
and distributed free as source + binary by C-CAD, the Center for Computer
Assistance
to the Disabled. I don't see it on their website (http://www.c-cad.org).
They may
have discontinued distribution once they convinced Microsoft and Apple to
implement
sticky keys as a built-in feature in their OSs.
I could probably dig up a copy if anyone wants to use it as a guide for
writing
a Linux module.
Regards,
Charles Sullivan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message <7h9hc3$4l4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> How do I make the Shift-keys (and preferably Control, Alt) sticky, as
>you can under Windows NT? Sticky means that pressing Shift, releasing it
>and pressing "a" gives you "A", etc.
>
>This should work under X (maybe on console too, but I don't care so
>much), at least under KDE.
>
>--
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>
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From: Kevin Reeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Eudora-like mail program for linux? (With Filters etc)
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:45:13 -0700
I've been using a program called Postilion for a short while and like it,
although I'm still learning a lot about it. It has the ability to sort your
mail and a real nice interface. Billed as working best with WindowMaker but
I've been ok so far using it in KDE. You can get an ftp link at their
website www.postilion.org. Postilion is the best one I've found.
Kevin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> What programs are there for Linux that handle automatic filtering
> (putting mail in different mailboxes, depending on sender)? Something
> like Eudora for Windows.
>
> The program must have a decent graphical interface. Preferably a program
> that offers a 3-pane view. KDE support is even better.
>
> --
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>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Greer)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Redhat Sparc wants 150M Smaller needed!
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:27:04 GMT
Do an "expert" install and manually tell it which packages to install.
It should tell you after you pick each package how much MB of disk
space it will require.
Darren
On 11 May 1999 23:17:38 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh) wrote:
-->I just tried to install Redhat 6 on a Sparc machine and it told it it
-->wants 150M of disk space > This is huge! I have a 100M disk on it. How
-->do I get it down to say 60M (with X) Will be using a sparc II as an
-->Xterminal mainly.
-->
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:15:11 +0800
From: "Maung San Zaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Monolithic vs modular kernel performance.
Hi,
I'm not an expert in kernel coding, but I've read an article by Linus, that
monolithic kernels do improve the performance. He's definitely not a
believer of microkernels. But the catch is that, you got to be really
careful in defining the interfaces, as it tends to affect how future
processes are served.
Hope this helps,
SZ
Nitin Mule <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm using redhat 5.2 with kernel 2.0.36 and I'm wondering if I should
> upgrade the kernel to 2.2.x. Since the redhat kernels are pretty
> generic, I have an impression that custom built kernel will be
> definitely faster. While building the kernel, I think I should built
> support for all my hardware (eg. NIC and SCSI card) within the kernel
> rather than including them as modules. Will it improve performance? Any
> other tips?
>
> TIA,
> Nitin.
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From: "Michael Schmeing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do I UNinstall a generic program?
Date: 11 May 1999 10:02:31 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Geoff Stanbury) writes:
> I'm running Slackware 3.6 with the 2.2.6 kernel.
>
> After installing loads of different programs and libraries from the
> source code (rather than from the slackware-specific tarballs) I have
> a few cool things on my hard drive that I want to keep, and oodles of
> things that I want to remove.
>
> How does one safely, cleanly, and completely remove a program? I
> realize that some allow for a simple "make uninstall," but most do
> not. Is there some particular program that probes everything related
> to a binary (such as Windows 9x's "Cleansweep" or "Uninstaller"), or
> is there a standard procedure or something?
> [...]
I once had a similar problem (although I knew what files were
installed). I solved it by using the --prefix option to
configure. Most programs I have installed since are completedly
installed in one directory, so to uninstall them I only do a rm -r on
that dir.
This works well as long as there are no shared libraries that are
installed and are needed by other programs as well. These programs
wont find the libs. This can be changed by setting the LD_LIBRARY_PATH
for each of these programs or by adding the full path to the libraries
(without the lib-names) to /etc/ld.so.conf and running ldconfig
afterwards.
There are other possibilities as well to make programs find libs, but
I don't know enough of them to explain. I think it is possible to tell
a program at compile-time where to look for libraries that are not
found in /etc/ld.so.conf or LD_LIBRARY_PATH.
Michael
--
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e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www: http://www.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE/~michae2
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Eudora-like mail program for linux? (With Filters etc)
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:41:27 GMT
What programs are there for Linux that handle automatic filtering
(putting mail in different mailboxes, depending on sender)? Something
like Eudora for Windows.
The program must have a decent graphical interface. Preferably a program
that offers a 3-pane view. KDE support is even better.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Star office on glibc 2.1?
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:07:52 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Rene Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ken Williams wrote:
> >
> > So what does one have to do to actually use Star Office on 2.1? If
its not
> > possible, is there a mini-howto that explains in detail how to
downgrade to
> > 2.0.7? Can I run both? Why is this so difficult?
>
> I think most of the newest distributions like OpenLinux 2.2, RedHat
6.0
> and SuSE 6.1 use glibc 2.1 and distribute StarOffice. So there must be
a
> way. But I haven't had a look at one of them yet.
>
> Ciao,
> Rene
>
> --
> Rene Bauer
> TESIS SYSware GmbH, Munich (Germany)
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +49 (0)89 747377-26
>
> Never trust a programmer with a screwdriver!
>
Well, I'm certainly looking for a way. Hopefully
they'll publish the fix soon. I own a small
company that has both Unix and Windows users. The
'dos users are happy right where they are, but my
developers (Unix) are tired of switching between
Unix when they work, and Windows when they have to
type a document or answer email, use a
spreadsheet, etc.
So, along comes RedHat 6.0. It's pretty clean,
seems reliable (we've only been running it a few
days.). So, if I can test an office type product,
and find it useful, I'll do 2 things:
1. Buy a copy for each of my developers.
2. Give my developers permission to use it in
place of some product we bought from another
software company. Hmmm... who was that... Well,
anyway, Give me a running executable and I'll use
it, and buy copies!
Iggly
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 04:35:27 -0700
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Nothing to do with Nothing
I just feal like being the origionator of another pointless thread that
just goes on and on and on and has nothing to do with anything remotely
considerable as something worth talking about but I couldn't think of
good enough troll bait so I guess I will just have to cross my fingers
and say "This newsgroup sucks and is stupid and I hate having to read
the dumnass posts in it" and see what happens.
Or how about "Linux is better then FreeBSD", "GPL is worse then BSDL",
"RedHat gives me gas", "GNU is a communist terrorist group just waiting
to wreak havok on the whole world", "Momma didn't love me", "QPL is the
end of freedom", "KDE is an abomination and GNOME is going to save us
all".....did I leave anything out? Oh, "My distro is longer then
yours"....thats my favorite.
With all those subjects to argue about, this thread should last till the
next millenium easily. So, lets start some fire.
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