Linux-Misc Digest #158, Volume #21 Sun, 25 Jul 99 16:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: Relicensing code which was licensed ala BSD or X11. (Bryan S. Doyle)
cdrecord help (possible SCSI error) (Matt Garman)
Re: Binary List ? (Mark Brown)
Re: hdparm cant make my spindown (Paul Anderson)
Re: embracing humanity's parasitic nature (Robert V. Grizzard)
Re: Need opinions- how's S.u.S.E. 6.1 (Nick Zentena)
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Subject: Re: Relicensing code which was licensed ala BSD or X11.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bryan S. Doyle)
Date: 25 Jul 1999 10:09:54 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Hughett) writes:
[deletions]
> Copyright is what is called a negative right--it is the right to
> prevent others from copy or modifying the work, or creating derivative
> works. If you create a derivate work, as the X11 or BSD licenses permit
> you to do, then both you and the original author have a copyright in
> the derived work, and the right to prohibit others from copying it.
> That is, a third party's rights consist of the _intersection_ of the
> rights granted by the orginal license and your license. In effect,
> you can only add restrictions, you cannot remove them.
That is a good analysis, but only for the very unusual case where the
rights are licensed without conditions. (If anyone disagrees with the
punchline of the quote in all cases, or is troubled by its implications,
see the footnote.) Licenses may prohibit (by making permissions
conditional) the addition of restrictions in derivatives and also may
grant permission to remove restrictions in derivatives. In effect, you
cannot generalize about whether restrictions may be added or removed.
The question remains: What are the implications of this conditional
grant of rights by the X11 license: "Permission is hereby granted
... to deal in the Software without restriction ... subject to the
following conditions: ... this permission notice shall be included ...".
What is the purpose of that condition? [And can the intent of the
licensor matter, or just the words?] When a sublicensee sees the
included notice on the jointly copyrighted work, why should he be not
believe that it is part of the licence of the joint work with which all
other license terms must comply? Is the notice just empty words, there
only for historical purposes or for the inexplicable satisfaction of the
original licensor? When the sublicensee sees the notice, shouldn't he
be free to accept the permissions thereby granted and ignore any terms
to the contrary? Haven't we agreed that the sublicense must be a joint
license with terms which both copyright holders have endorsed?
I hope the answers to these questions don't imply that the X11 license
is just another poorly written viral "copyleft", but I won't go into
many reasons for thinking so now. I'll just note that the X11 license
permits one to distribute encoded software (or just hard to read
binaries) and allows one to "merge" the software, presumably also with
software which is otherwise-licensed. I think it also allows one to
distribute one's own software (source or other) under one's own license
in conjunction with X11-licensed software (source or other, modified or
not) to be used as one entity by either manual or automatic conjoining.
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FOOTNOTE:
Licensor grants A & B for his work. Sublicensor grants B & C for his.
The intersection of the grants is B. Loosely speaking, the restrictions
went from "everything but A & B" to "everything but B". So the
sublicensor has, in effect, added a restriction on A for the joint work.
Consider the extreme cases: If the sublicensor does not grant A or B,
maybe just C, then the joint work carries no effective license and is
thus unusable. If the sublicensor granted "everything", then the joint
grants are the original A & B.
This results in the unfortunate situation where, in a derivative, the
licensor's work has restrictions imposed on it that he didn't want, and
the sublicesor's work has restrictions imposed on it that HE didn't
want. Now, the sublicensor has no standing to expect to have what he
wants and he may avoid participation. But, assuming that the licensor
wants derivatives to carry a license which grants at least (or exactly)
A & B, he must craft a license which explicitly requires that as a
condition.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Garman)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: cdrecord help (possible SCSI error)
Date: 25 Jul 1999 17:51:59 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Recently I have been getting errors when burning CDs. These errors
occur in both "dummy" mode and during an actual burn. I have a
Plextor PlexWriter 4/12 internal SCSI burner.
Here is a typical error:
Cdrecord release 1.6 Copyright (C) 1995-1998 J�rg Schilling
TOC Type: 0 = CD-DA
scsidev: '0,4,0'
scsibus: 0 target: 4 lun: 0
Device type : Removable CD-ROM
Version : 2
Response Format: 2
Capabilities : SYNC LINKED
Vendor_info : 'PLEXTOR '
Identifikation : 'CD-R PX-R412C '
Revision : '1.04'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-R.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags : SWABAUDIO
Track 01: audio 53 MB (05:18.02) no preemp
Track 02: audio 38 MB (03:49.20) no preemp
Track 03: audio 80 MB (07:56.21) no preemp
Track 04: audio 47 MB (04:43.72) no preemp
Track 05: audio 54 MB (05:21.96) no preemp
Total size: 275 MB (27:17.12) = 122784 sectors
Lout start: 275 MB (27:19/09) = 122784 sectors
ATIP info from disk:
Indicated writing power: 4
Is unrestricted
Is not erasable
ATIP start of lead in: -11580 (97:27/45)
ATIP start of lead out: 333226 (74:05/01)
Disk type: Phthalocyanine or similar
Manufacturer: Kodak Japan Limited
Blocks total: 333226 Blocks remaining: 21988
cdrecord: WARNING: Data may not fit on current disk.
Starting to write CD at speed 4 in dummy mode for single session.
Last chance to quit, starting dummy write in 9 seconds.
Waiting for reader process to fill input-buffer ... input-buffer ready.
Starting new track at sector: 311238
Track 01: 1 of 53 MB written (fifo 99%).
...
cdrecord: Success. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: retryable error
CDB: 2A 00 00 05 15 A5 00 00 0D 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 09 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 80 0A 00 00
Sense Key: 0x9 Vendor Unique, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x80 Qual 0x0A (limited laser life) [No matching qualifier] Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
cmd finished after 0.002s timeout 40s
write track data: error after 51704016 bytes
Sense Bytes: 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Writing time: 80.402s
Fixating...
WARNING: Some drives don't like fixation in dummy mode.
cdrecord: Success. close track/session: scsi sendcmd: retryable error
CDB: 5B 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 09 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 80 01 00 00
Sense Key: 0x9 Vendor Unique, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x80 Qual 0x01 (limited laser life) [No matching qualifier] Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
cmd finished after 0.001s timeout 480s
Fixating time: 0.003s
cdrecord: fifo had 1819 puts and 1692 gets.
cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 1094 times full, min fill was 96%.
Any help on this is very appreciated!
Thanks,
Matt
--
Matt Garman, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"And through the window in the wall
Come streaming in on sunlight wings
A million bright ambassadors of morning."
--Pink Floyd, "Echoes"
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From: Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Binary List ?
Date: 25 Jul 1999 17:21:50 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Raj Rijhwani) writes:
[Tab completion of just about anything]
> Which shell is that? I ask because at this moment I'm stiing in front of
> telnet session into one of my boxes and it didn't work.
bash. It can do autocompletion on a whole bunch of stuff, and has
keystrokes for doing autocompletion on specific things.
--
Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness)
http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/
EUFS http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Anderson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: hdparm cant make my spindown
Date: 25 Jul 1999 12:01:42 -0400
Rob Brown-Bayliss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I notice that if I vdir /proc every file has datestamp of the moment I
>do the vdir...
>
The files in /proc are mythically, they don't really exist.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert V. Grizzard)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: embracing humanity's parasitic nature
Date: 25 Jul 1999 18:48:07 GMT
In article <7nfbm1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>And this relates to Linux because...
It doesn't. Mr. Kulisz appears to believe he's found the ultimate soapbox
because he can spray his babblings worldwide with a few key presses.
Gotta' tell ya' the best thing to do with him is killfile him. He'll go find
another sandbox once he gets tired of getting ignored.
(posted from comp.os.linux.misc)
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From: Nick Zentena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Need opinions- how's S.u.S.E. 6.1
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 18:20:04 GMT
Michael Hasenstein wrote:
> =
> Nick Zentena wrote:
> > There will always be something missing. If SuSE shipped on ten CDs
> > something would get missed. Just too many things out there. I couldn'=
t
> > find from on any of the CDs. I admit I didn't look too hard. No probl=
em
> > I went and get the src and compiled it. Maybe I'm the only person in =
the
> > world still using it-) Now when will SuSE start shipping on DVDs? Why=
> > isn't SuSE waiting for XFree 3.3.5?
> =
> Let=B4s see... because there=B4ll always be a new version RSN of one of=
the
> >1300 programs on the 6 CDs of 6.2? Even if you just look at seom core =
components this still holds true.
But aren't there problems with 3.3.4? I thought that was the reason
3.3.5 is coming out so quickly after 3.3.4. At least thats my
understanding. Now if I'm wrong then I'll go download it now-)
Nick
-- =
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Nick Zentena
SuSE 6.1 Linux 2.2.10
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