Linux-Misc Digest #171, Volume #20 Wed, 12 May 99 15:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: X-Windows does'nt start anymore ("Geert Van Loy")
Re: Where is best location of swap partition on a disk? (Michael Hucka)
Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?) ("J�rgen Exner")
Re: dialup configuration (Dustin Puryear)
Re: Linux on K62 ok? (Dustin Puryear)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Richard
Kulisz)
Re: Gnu make question ($$@) (Victor Eijkhout)
Apple Streaming Server for linux (Kai Thost)
Re: man anything gives a blank screen and END (John Girash)
Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?) (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Can't boot Win95 after OpenLinux 2.2 install! ("Jack Kelly Dobson")
Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?) (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Tape Backup software (Michael Perry)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Peter Seebach)
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From: "Geert Van Loy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X-Windows does'nt start anymore
Date: 12 May 1999 17:18:01 GMT
This is me again.
I had forgotten to include my X.out file
So here it is
XFree86 Version 3.3.3.1 / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300)
Release Date: January 4 1999
If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer
than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting
problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ)
Operating System: Linux 2.2.1-ac1 i686 [ELF]
Configured drivers:
Mach64: accelerated server for ATI Mach64 graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0)
(using VT number 7)
XF86Config: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config
(**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values
(**) XKB: keycodes: "xfree86"
(**) XKB: types: "default"
(**) XKB: compat: "default"
(**) XKB: symbols: "us(pc101)"
(**) XKB: geometry: "pc"
(**) XKB: rules: "xfree86"
(**) XKB: model: "pc101"
(**) XKB: layout: "be"
(**) Mouse: type: IntelliMouse, device: /dev/mouse, baudrate: 1200
(**) Mouse: buttons: 5
(**) Mouse: zaxismapping: (-)4 (+)5
(**) Mach64: Graphics device ID: "215CT222"
(**) Mach64: Monitor ID: "AOC 4N Series"
(--) Mach64: Mode "640x480" needs hsync freq of 53.01 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 53.51 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 55.84 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 56.48 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 51.02 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 64.02 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 62.50 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 62.42 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 64.25 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 70.24 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 70.88 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 74.59 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 75.00 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 76.01 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 78.86 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 80.21 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 81.13 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 87.50 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 89.62 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 91.15 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 93.75 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 105.77 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 107.16 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 96.15 kHz. Deleted.
(--) Mach64: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 104.52 kHz. Deleted.
(**) FontPath set to "unix/:-1"
(--) Mach64: PCI: Mach64 CT rev 9, Aperture @ 0xfe000000, Block I/O @ 0xfc00
(--) Mach64: Card type: PCI
(--) Mach64: Memory type: DRAM (1)
(--) Mach64: Clock type: Internal
(--) Mach64: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 80.000 MHz
(**) Mach64: Mode "800x600": mode clock = 50.000
(--) Mach64: Virtual resolution: 800x600
(--) Mach64: Video RAM: 1024k
(--) Mach64: Using hardware cursor
(--) Mach64: Using 16 MB aperture @ 0xfe000000
(--) Mach64: Ramdac is Internal
(--) Mach64: Ramdac speed: 80 MHz
(**) Mach64: Color weight: 565
(--) Mach64: Pixmap cache: 0 256x256 slots, 0 128x128 slots, 0 64x64 slots
(--) Mach64: Font cache: 0 fonts
_FontTransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
failed to set default font path 'unix/:-1'
Fatal server error:
could not open default font 'fixed'
When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send
the full server output, not just the last messages
Geert Van Loy heeft geschreven in bericht <7h9q8o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hi,
>
>Recently my linux crashed (yes, this is sometimes possible :-)). I was
>running X-windows at that time. Ctrl+Alt+Back didn't help so I had to use
>the reset button.
>
>After rebooting my X-window doesn't start anymore. I get an error with a
>font that can't be found. However these X-fonts were loaded fine when
>booting.
>
>And when I shut down my system now, it fails to shut down these X-fonts.
>
>Can anyone help me with this problem?
>
>Thx anyway
>
>Geert
>
>
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From: Michael Hucka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Where is best location of swap partition on a disk?
Date: 12 May 1999 13:45:03 -0400
>>>>> On 12 May 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
jarobinson> Cyl 0 (where the label is) starts on the outside.
Is this really true? The numbering starts from the outside, not the inside?
Pardon my ignorance, but I guess I had never heard this before. I assumed
numbering started from the innermost tracks. If cylinder number 0 is on the
outside, then the concept of "put swap on the outer tracks" is equivalent
to "put swap on the low-numbered cylinders", which is actually what I have
been doing all along.
Mike
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From: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?)
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:49:17 -0700
Reply-To: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7haktd$7f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <7hadqc$j43$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[...]
> That makes some sense, but it seems like a bad way of covering up the
> fact that Linux distributors *caused* the problem in the first place by
> including too much "stuff" in the base install. When I install the
> system, I should only be installing the *system* -- not the system plus
> samba plus apache plus netscape plus netatalk plus everything else on
> earth. If Linux distributions used a more sane model and simply
> provided all of those things as options rather than defaults, they
> wouldn't have to worry about possibly overwriting non-distribution
> releases of local applications.
It seems you never installed a Slackware distribution.
The only mandatory part is the A set, and that installs barely enough for
the most basic functionality.
Man-page, networking, development (gcc etc.), editors, almost all shells, X,
all that is optional.
jue
--
J�rgen Exner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dustin Puryear)
Subject: Re: dialup configuration
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:37:24 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 12 May 1999 02:03:46 GMT, Ian Briggs wrote:
>ron cole wrote:
>:does anyone know where the chat script for establishing a ppp connection
>:when dialing an isp is kept ? I want to setup a dialup connection to my
>:isp and am not going to run x windows so cannot use the gui to make a ppp
>:interface.i have tried to call up a script i made several times but chat
>:does not even get to the modem init stage.i have a system up using x so if
>:i can locate its chat script i will be able to copy it. thanks
>
>Chat scripts usually live in /etc/ppp -- and the exact file name is
>specified as an option to the pppd command.
>
>The trick in getting a ppp connection is to work through the various
>components in sequence: first get the modem to work, then make a
>connection using minicom, and finally put the scripts together. (I wasn't
>sure from your posting if you'd ever got your modem to work by itself.)
You should also go ahead and see if /usr/sbin/ppp-on works as is. I have
found that most ISP's use a generic login.
--
Dustin Puryear
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dustin Puryear)
Subject: Re: Linux on K62 ok?
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:39:47 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 11 May 1999 14:43:08 +0100, Anthony Hook wrote:
>
>I'm considering upgrading my ageing P120.
>
>Have any of you experienced problems running Linux on one of those K62 (&
>K63) chips?
>
>Are there any motherboards I should watch out for?
I'm running Linux on a K6-2/333 and have had no problems.
--
Dustin Puryear
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: 12 May 1999 18:02:50 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Marco Anglesio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>And so have I. And we both benefit from the existence of a social welfare
>system that makes sure that we do not starve without an employer/master. I
I wish that were so but our illustrious Premier of Ontario, Canada has
crippled welfare thus forcing people to resort to shelters and food banks.
One could almost think he likes misery and poverty.
>would think that Bakunin's work is still relevant despite the quibbling;
>you're taking a 19th century writer and looking at him through a 20th
>century lens in order to prove your point on technicalities.
Except for child slavery (and even then ...), Bakunin, Kropotkin and
many other early 19th century writers manage to paint a horrifyingly
accurate picture of late 20th century society.
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From: Victor Eijkhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Gnu make question ($$@)
Date: 12 May 1999 14:25:04 -0400
Victor Eijkhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> x y z : file1.o file2.o [email protected]
Ok, Gnu make doesn't support this. Silly.
--
Victor Eijkhout
"What i understood he said was that it is a sick society that allows
children to go to school dressed in black trenchcoats."
[phil, on Charlton Heston's speech to the NRA]
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:56:08 +0200
From: Kai Thost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Apple Streaming Server for linux
hi folks,
is here anyone who has successfully migrated the Steaming Server from
Apple
to linux ? (streams quicktime 4)
if so, please send the sourcecode or the URL to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
if've got a realserver running and am very curious, what apples product
can do !
please respond via email because i don't read here very often.
thanx in advance
kai thost
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From: John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: man anything gives a blank screen and END
Date: 12 May 1999 13:58:57 -0500
John Allman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i'm a bit of a novice here - a friend of a friend installed linux for me
> and the man pages used to work fine, but now i type man i just get a pause
> and it shows nothing and then goes END. not very helpful. any ideas?
Zoran Cutura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: you should check, if the man-files are on your host.
: type " echo $MANPATH" to see in which path's man is looking for files.
: In these path's one would find some directories like man1, man2, man3,
It's a good bet that man is using "less" as its pager; perhaps something is
messed up with your less. Check things like environment varibles LESSOPEN
(or LESSCLOSE maybe), any shell scripts such as lessopen.sh or lesspipe.sh,
less being aliased to something else, two versions of less on the system etc.
g'luck
jg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?)
Date: 12 May 1999 12:55:21 -0500
In article <7hc2p9$t5a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>
>> a few years ago.
>
>But everything you add brings potential bugs, exploitable or merely
>annoying, never mind the general clutter. A policy of not installing
>anything you don't need and use goes a long way towards a reliable and
>easy to maintain system.
>
>To that end, finer granularity in of the basic FreeBSD core would be
I haven't found that to be the case. Where I have omitted things
from an installation I have almost always regretted it later.
>nice. The flip side is managing complex dependencies between the
>pieces. You simply don't have to worry about it when the main OS
>core is a monolithic distribution. I don't care how good the
>packaging system is, botched dependencies will always bite you at
>some point.
Yes, this has been my experience and the faster things change the
worse it gets. Back in the AT&T SysV[2-3] days they were really great
about backwards compatibility and upgrade procedures that would
migrate your settings and data but there were not a lot of
choices back then and they still missed some little things.
These days it is pretty much hopeless with massive shared library
changes on every release. Most things work, but the time it
takes to track down and fix a couple of bugs just isn't worth
it when you can replace everything at once for the same (free)
price. And before someone says that freebsd doesn't have problems
like that, I have an assortment of versions and have generally
not been able to compile something on one and copy to the others
(either up or down versions). Some things might work but amanda
didn't. Someone else installed these boxes with the 'only install
what you need' approach. Now I need to upgrade amanda for backups
and it has to be done on all the machines at once - but there
is no compiler installed. Are we having fun yet?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Jack Kelly Dobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Can't boot Win95 after OpenLinux 2.2 install!
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:57:12 -0500
This may not be the problem you're having but you may want to look into
it...
Windows 95' b (OSR2) version (I don't know what to call it exactly) screws
up you MBR if you use it to SYS your hard drive.
The b version of Windows won't even dual boot to DOS. Hanging at startup is
a symptom.
To dual boot with 95' b you need to SYS the drive with an earlier revision
of 95' for it to work.
Hope it's that easy.
j-
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?)
Date: 12 May 1999 13:13:26 -0500
In article <7hc3g0$t5a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Fieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Why would you ever want to keep running some old apps on purpose when
>> the upgrade is available?
>
>Lots of reasons. "Upgrade" doesn't always mean better...an upgrade
>may fix bugs A, B, and C but introduce bugs X, Y and Z, each of which
>is a showstopper for you. Upgrades can create problems with anything
>that depends on the software in question, requiring a cascade of
>upgrades.
But if your system upgrade includes new shared libraries, you are
much less likely to hit this kind of problem if you replace
everything at once with a new combination that has already been
tested together.
>(This is how Microsoft operates...you have to upgrade
>everything if you want to upgrade anything.)
If Microsoft gave everything away for free I don't think I would
complain about that policy.
>Upgrades, no matter how
>minor, can upset users if the user interface changes. For some,
>happy users may be a condition of continued employment.
This happens, but rarely. In the cases where it does you are
probably going to have to arrange to have both the new and old
versions available anyway. What I like to do is have additional
disk space on at least some machines so the upgrade can be done on
a different partion set up for alternate booting. This means that
you can back out with a reboot if something horrible is wrong in
the new system and also you will have access to all of the old
copies by mounting the old partition somewhere. For systems that
have to be up most of the time, you can pre-build and test the new
system on another machine, then copy it into place on the production
machine's alternate partition(s) and be completely updated with
only a reboot for downtime. This takes careful separation of the
distribution upgrade items from your local changes, which is easy
with the Linux scheme.
>In short, if it isn't broken and the upgrade doesn't offer compelling
>improvements, it may be best to leave things as they are.
You can't do that forever - unless you change jobs fairly often.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Perry)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,hk.comp.os.linux,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Tape Backup software
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:06:06 -0700
On Tue, 11 May 1999 08:21:06 +0200, Wolfgang Ganzert
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>For the KDE window environment there is the kdat program. It allows
>multiple tars on a single tape and has a GUI which is easy to use. On my
>systems it does not run stable but maybe this is because I'm using KDE
>1.0. Maybe with 1.1 the problem is fixed, I don't known.
>
>Wolfgang
>
>Ron Flory wrote:
>
>> > I'm looking for a very easy & good DAT tape backup software.
>> > Any idea?
>>
>> depends how fancy it needs to be. 'cat file.tar.gz > /dev/st0' works
>> fine for me.
>>
>> ron
>
I would also sugggest taking a look at the taper program which is freely
available. It ships with SuSE I believe and is also offered as an rpm file
at the rpm archive sites. I have also used xbru and bru and they work quite
well with my Exabyte 8mm tape drive.
All of these and more at www.xnet.com/~blatura/linapps.shtml BTW.
--
Michael Perry, Project Engineer
Linuxcare, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.linuxcare.com
Linuxcare. At the center of Linux.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:11:43 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Because you say so doesn't make it so. I've had the misfortune to
>spend hours -- hundreds of hours, in fact -- exposed to libertarian
>drivel of all degrees of stupifying complacency.
Perhaps. On the other hand, the things you state about libertarians
contradict everything I've heard libertarians say, and everything I've
read that they've written.
>That libertarian icon, Robert Heinlein, puts the libertarian
>philosophy in the mouth of one of his heroes: "Violence has solved
>more of the world's problems than any other method." (Starship
>Troopers).
That's hardly a philosophy; it's an observation, and not one people
necessarily agree with.
This is going to come as a real shock to you, but often, even the hero
in a novel is a *FICTIONAL* character, whose beliefs, goals, and methods,
may not be the same as those of the author, or of people who like the author.
There are a lot of books I've enjoyed immensely, even if I don't agree
with the protagonist on major issues.
-s
--
Copyright 1999, All rights reserved. Peter Seebach / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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