Linux-Misc Digest #171, Volume #24 Sun, 16 Apr 00 20:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: bash prompt (Floyd Davidson)
Re: Samba printing problems (ajn)
Re: Redhat 6.2 broke! ("David ..")
Re: Windows 2000 & Linux ("Richard F. Jr.")
Re: Linux Crashed and Can't Get Up (Peter T. Breuer)
Getting Netscape to play .wav files? (Jeff Pierce)
Re: IBM ThinkPad 390X 2626F0U (Peter T. Breuer)
Re: Linux Crashed and Can't Get Up (lukas)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Walter Dnes)
Re: A few questions -> help!! (Leonard Evens)
Re: Which backup software to use? (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: Redhat 6.2 broke! (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: acrobat for linux (ps -> pdf) (Gerald Kelly)
Newbie - Help with Installing Star Office ("Robert Kendall")
Re: mp3 problems (Dances With Crows)
multifile editor (Charles Esson)
Re: Mounting Amiga FFS hard drive under Linux ("Jukka Aho")
Re: Programming Languages on Linux (Michael Kelly)
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bash prompt
Date: 16 Apr 2000 13:58:30 -0800
Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>> "Arlan" == Arlan Lucas de Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Arlan> Hi What should I do to change my PS1 variable in a xterm
> Arlan> window?
>
> Arlan> According the Bash-Prompt-HOWTO, PS1 string should be set
> Arlan> in .bashrc. It's dont work to me. I try also in
> Arlan> .bash_profile and .xinitrc. However, if I start another
> Arlan> shell session from a xterm window the prompt is set
> Arlan> correctly to this second shell session.
>
>Yes, typically all your environmental stuff should go into ~/.bashrc,
>which is invoked in ~/.bash_profile. The xterm must be started with
>the -ls option, which makes it a login shell. Otherwise, it won't
>read the login files. It sounds like the first one is not a login
>xterm, but the second one is.
You might want to invoke xterm with the -ls option for other
reasons, but it is not necessary in order to cause ~/.bashrc
to be sourced by bash started by an xterm.
Bash sources the ~/.bashrc file all non-login interactive
shells. For non-interactive shells the BASH_ENV variable (or
ENV for older versions of bash) points to a file to be sourced.
Login shells source /etc/profile and then the first of
~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, or ~/.profile that is found.
Hence, to cause ~/.bashrc to be sourced by a login shell it is
necessary to put that into ~/.bash_profile (or which ever file
is used if not that one). It is also convenient to set ENV and
BASH_ENV at the same time, so that non-interactive subshells
also source ~/.bashrc. Typically almost the only things
required to be in a ~/.bash_profile are PATH (and MANPATH etc.)
plus,
export BASH_ENV=~/.bashrc
export ENV=~/.bashrc
. ~/.bashrc
The various PATH variables should be set only in login shells
because then constructs like PATH=~/bin:$PATH can be used
without adding another "~/bin:" to the PATH for each depth of
subshell execution.
However, while not necessary, it would not be wrong to set
environment variables and define functions in ~/.bash_profile
because they will be passed to all subshells. Usually they are
just put into ~/.bashrc and redefined for every subshell.
Aliases must be defined in ~/.bashrc, as they are not
automatically passed to subshells. Since that is true of
aliases, most people put functions and variables into
~/.bashrc also just to have everything in one file for
easy editing.
Floyd
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Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: ajn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Samba printing problems
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:00:12 +1000
Mark Bratcher wrote:
>
> Frank Hahn wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 09:32:33 -0400, Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >When I've set up samba printers I've never set user name and passwords.
> > >
> > Would you mind giving a brief description on how you set this up?
> > I guess a did not realize that you could set up the printers to
> > not require a password but the other shares would. Thanks.
> >
>
> Any share can be set up to not require a password as long as you allow
> guests.
There is also an option for null passwords (I believe it is simply NULL
PASSWORDS = TRUE) which allows a user with a null password in smbpasswd
(set via smbpasswd -n) to use the shares just by giving a login name.
ajn
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat 6.2 broke!
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:04:28 -0500
KP wrote:
>
> I switched to the GNOBE from KKE and now, it doesn't work. I can move the
> mouse around and nothing happens! I tried to use the command prompt to
> switch back to the KKE interface, but it won't work, nothing opens! I
> suppose I should just unistall Linux and wait until it gets better.
KKE and GNOBE might not work but maybe KDE or GNOME might.
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From: "Richard F. Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 & Linux
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 12:07:55 -0400
http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Linux+NT-Loader.html
"Kwizatz Haderach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:iPhK4.93135$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Hi
I have a bit of trouble running Linux & Windows 2000 on the same machine.
I need to configure the NT Loader in such a way that it can boot my
Linux-system.
Does anyone know how to do this or where I can find info?
Thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter T. Breuer)
Subject: Re: Linux Crashed and Can't Get Up
Date: 17 Apr 2000 01:12:32 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: > Where is intelligence being insulted? What are you on about? And people
: > respond to challenge, not to being patronized!
: Your learning style, being able to read and understand manuals, is
: common to about 12% (NT) of the general population according to
: Myers-Briggs. The three other learning styles are: learn by doing (SP),
: learn by repetition (SJ), and learning through interaction with others (NF).
: They compromise the other 88% of the general population. I suspect that
Any person learns through a combination of all these styles. And more.
You've left out learning by thinking: thought experiments, constant
"what if's". You''ve also left out learning by experiment, which is
subtly different from learning by doing, as it involves formulating
questions and devising means to settle them.
I mentioned that I learned by trying everything. That's doing.
I was also looking for sources of info .. I read all the readable
scripts as soon as I found how to find them. I read all the man pages
when I found how to read them. I tried everything I could. The man
pages are excellent but one doesn't read through them .. one greps, one
hunts, one glances. For one thing, looking at their names tells you
what someone thought worth documenting! Looking at their organization
tells you what the major abstract system modes are. And so on ...
this is just "research". The kind of research a person does when
buying a new fridge. Nothing more.
: the general programming population is skewed slightly toward NT. But not
: completely.
What do these initials mean? NT? Natural Talent? NonTactile? SJ has
me particularly puzzled! What could a J mean! I suspect these aren't
english words, but they have to be if they are scientific terms at all.
: NT's, especially young ones, or ones who have chosen to shy away from
: interaction with other folks, can be seen as arrogant. And they are,
: until they realize that not everyone experiences the world as they do.
Ahhhhh ... I see. Yes. It's clear that the perception of other people
is (also) the problem here. But that's other people's type-casting at
work, isn't it?
: When you are offering help to the general public, you are dealing with
: many types of personalities. Some (NF), are quite sensitive to personal
: criticism, however well intended.
Tough! They can learn to lump it. It's their perception, so their
problem.
: When you answer questions in this forum you are an ambassador not only
: to Linux and open source, but also to yourself. Do you really want to
Well, I'm not an ambassador for anyone, least of all linux. I abhor
diplomacy _and_ politics. An ambassador for myself? Inevitably, but I'm not
interested in advancing my own position, so the ambassador will speak
freely there too, I'm afraid.
: intentionally turn off another person? I doubt it. You did after all
Sure. I don't mind turning off someone.
: offer useful help. Pointing out where and how to find answers is much
: better received when not accompanied with "Now what was the mote in your
: eye that prevented you doing or seeing that?" (which would be construed
That was my curiousity. How can a person get a message telling them to
use fdisk and then not be able to figure out that they have to apply
fdisk to the target device? As (maybe) you suggested, the only possible
answer is not only does it not occur to them that it should be applied
to an argument, but they don't know how to check the man pages, and
they also don't conceive that man pages should be searched for.
: by a sensitive person as an insult to their intelligence).
And a very merited one, if their intelligence came into play at all.
If it didn't, then that's also a problem.
: Just a thought ...
An interesting one, which hints at some plausible explanations.
Thank you.
Peter
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:17:48 -0400
From: Jeff Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Getting Netscape to play .wav files?
Ok, I give up. I am trying to get Netscape 4.6 to play .wav file like
from hamsterdance.com, etc. I go to
edit/preferences/navigator/applications and edit two Wav audio entries
with mime audio/wav in one and audio/x-wav in the other and suffiex
"wav".
Application is "/usr/local/bin/wavplay %s", I've tried with and without
the %s.
Nada, nothing.
Yes, sound module is installed, I can play .wav file locally using
"wavplay <name>" from an xterm.
What gives... why no sound output...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter T. Breuer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: IBM ThinkPad 390X 2626F0U
Date: 17 Apr 2000 01:29:58 +0100
Jimmy Navarro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: You forgot to add the RTFM, or rather return that Thinkpad and get an iMac but
: Linux is too technical. Replying read the Partition-HOWTO is may be just
: approriate in your place..
?? What IS your problem?
: Here's a thread of direct e-mail replied to me:
: "I guess it depends on how you plan on using the machine and what the backup
: scheme would be. You only really need to have / and swap as a minimum. But
: creating , /, /root, /usr, /home, and now /opt can be very helpful. (I have
: noticed that /opt is used for kde, and other local apps- could anyone explain
: this? What does opt stand for? )
This is just the _kind_ of advice that you will find in the HOWTO, except
that the mailed advice here is slightly wrong, misleading and misinformed.
Please just read the howto. It contains the crystallized wisdom you are
after, without errors. /root is part of /. /usr/local and /var and
/boot have been missed off.
: "I guess one general way would be to provide 50-60 mb for /root, then 1 gb for
: /home, 1 gb for /usr, 128 mb for swap (as I understand it this would be the max
: for swap under Linux), then 50 mb /tmp and 200 mb for /var (that leave some left
: over I think!)
This is roughly correct. It is not usual (or sensible) to separate /tmp
from /var. however. Please see the howto for the lowdown.
: "There are more ideas from Eric Raymond's Installation HOWTO
: http://www.linux.org/help/ldp/howto/Installation-HOWTO.html
: "There he points to another source for info on partitioning-
: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Partition.html
And that's exactly right.
: > Jimmy Navarro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: > : Yeap right, read the HOW-TO or buy Linux for dummies, what else.
: >
: > I dunno. What are you trying to say? The Partition-HOWTO is directed
: > exactly at your problem. It tells you exactly what you asked. My
: > advice would not be any different from the advice given there.
And I didn't even write it ... ;)
Peter
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From: lukas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Crashed and Can't Get Up
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:30:04 GMT
Michael Powe wrote:
>
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> >>>>> "Peter" == Peter T Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Peter> Bob ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : My question to the
> Peter> Linux users that gave all their answers, Why do you : have
> Peter> to be so rude when a guy asked for help? Attitude like that
> Peter> will not
>
> Peter> Hello .. have I missed somebody referring to me? Please
> Peter> mail me if you want to insult me personally :-).
>
> Peter> The answer to your question, whatever you are referring to:
> Peter> it's probably not rudeness but truth. If the truth hurts
> Peter> you in any way at all, then it's your problem.
>
> The truth is not a weapon -- although you would make it one. Because
> you are rude does not mean you are more "truthful" than people who
> aren't. It means you are more rude. Period. There are many, many
> people in technical newsgroups who can answer a question without
> sneering or treating the questioner like an idiot. The fact that you
> can't do that doesn't mean you are "more truthful" -- it means you
> have poor control over yourself and your language.
>
> mp
>
> - --
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Hello:
Iwould like to know if I must run fsck with the correct linux partition...
I got the same problem but i share my hard disk with windows. If I run
fsck /dev/hda1 would this affect my Windows partition?....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Walter Dnes)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: 16 Apr 2000 23:35:12 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 05:33:25 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Interesting. Nobody else in the universe except for you has seen this
> mythical mouse. You have no names and no way to prove your statements.
> Name the mouse and manufacturer or retract your statement.
GUI + Mouse was all dreamed up by Xerox in the 1970's at their PARC (Palo
Alto Research Center). It was ripped off by Steve Jobs at Apple before MS
took it up. BTW, X-Windows has been around a long time.
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A few questions -> help!!
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:28:23 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> "Mr. Bojangles" wrote:
> >
> > Hi there. I am trying to make the complete switch from Windows to Linux,
> > and have made great strides, but need help with a few things.
> -- Snip --
> >
> > 2) I am running RH 6.0, and was invoking X from the command line(startx).
> > I had gkrellm and panel in my .xinitrc file, and then switched to runlevel
> > 5(graphical login). Now gkrellm does not start. Does it use a different
> > init script with the graphical login?
> -- Snip --
>
> I recommend against runleve 5. If things go wrong it can get
> rather messy. Instead put the following lines at the end of your
> .bash_profile file:
>
> # start X on login
> if [ $TERM = "linux" ]
> then
> startx >~/.startx.out 2>&1
> exit
> fi
>
> You have to login anyway. This will cause you to initiate X without
> using the startx command. It will also allow you to telnet in without
> starting X. Hope this helps ...
I used to think that and I can understand why people do. But with
more experience, I think it is better to boot in runlevel 5.
That saves time when logging in because you don't have to start X.
Also rarely X hangs for peculiar reasons when starting, so you
also avoid that. If you run into trouble, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
will get you out. Then you can reboot with
linux 3
at the boot prompt in case you need to troubleshoot without being
in X.
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Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Which backup software to use?
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:48:04 GMT
In article <8dbe33$uvv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jonathan M Hill wrote:
>Hello;
>
> I have read that dump is dependent the file system so that a unique
>version of dump must be written for each file system. The version of
>dump that came with my distribution will only support the Linux native
>ext2 file system. I guess if your system has multiple file systems
>you could use dump for the Linux native partition and then use something
>else for the other file systems.
>
> I have not heard any comments regarding 'pax' and would like to
>know more about that package. I have also heard that GNU cpio supports
>tar, cpio, and remote devices. has anyone tried this?
[...]
cpio can handle tar files, although the original cpio version generates
unusable archives with the -c option and libc6. This is a bug in cpio
and no-one seems to care for it anymore. Remote backups are supported
too, yes, just see the documentation.
Personally I am using a fixed version of cpio and tar for complete
backups. star might be nice too and in most cases I'd stay away
from anything that does not run without X, termcap and curses a./o.
is using a special format, read if I have to restore the system to
restore the system - *plonk*.
Minor note, make sure your emergency scheme is actually a working one,
just in case ;)
Bye,
Juergen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: Redhat 6.2 broke!
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:48:06 GMT
In article <8ddbet$rii$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, KP wrote:
>I switched to the GNOBE from KKE and now, it doesn't work. I can move the
>mouse around and nothing happens! I tried to use the command prompt to
>switch back to the KKE interface, but it won't work, nothing opens! I
>suppose I should just unistall Linux and wait until it gets better.
[...]
If you really switched from *GNOBE* to *KKE* you had better
start with learning how to read and write before trying the
trolling game.
Five * for the lamest of the lamest posting this week 8-]
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From: Gerald Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: acrobat for linux (ps -> pdf)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:49:21 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually, Acrobat Reader for Linux is available right now.
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readersystemreqs.html#LINUX
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)) wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>1. Does Adobe have Acrobat for Linux?
>
>As of late last year, Adobe has finally started taking Linux seriously; it
>made a beta version of a port of FrameMaker available. While Acrobat is not
>yet available for Linux to my knowledge, I expect a version to become
>available this year.
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From: "Robert Kendall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Newbie - Help with Installing Star Office
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:52:42 GMT
I'm having some difficulty and would appreciate some advice with
installation of Star Office. Here is some info and what I've tried so far:
System:
PII 450
128mb ram
Dual-boot using Partition Magic:
Windows 98
Linux 6.0
StarOffice for Linux is on a CD that came with the Star Office for Linux
Bible by IDG books. The CD contains several utilities as .tar files.
I have viewed the files using windows on my e:/ drive and among others they
include:
e:/Internet/communicator-47-export.x86-unknown-linux2.0.tar
I boot to Linux and open xterm and then from root I mount the CD Rom.
The install instructions in the book says to:
Open another terminal window and unpack the files with the command: tar xvf
access_path_and_name_of_the_archive
I tried this from the root prompt but perhaps I'm not getting the string
correct after "xvf"
Somehow, I'm just not getting to the files on the cdrom. Any and all
suggesstions will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Robert
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: mp3 problems
Date: 16 Apr 2000 19:54:36 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:59:27 -0400, Will Joyner
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>--------------60C8AF3451B0977821FC7417
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Fix your newsreader; MIME crap isn't appreciated here.
>> hdparm -m16 -d1 -X34
>> should work, but be careful (ie read twice, run once)
>I tried this, but instead of helping my computer it hurt it. I was getting
>around 10 or 11 when I did hdparm but when I typed that line, and I did type it
>correctly...it dropped to 1-2 when I looked at hdparm. So next solution?
hdparm -m16 -c1 -u1 /dev/hda
-d1 turns on DMA. -X34 turns on a specific DMA mode that your hardware
and/or kernel may not support well. -c1 turns on 32-bit I/O, and -u1
turns on the unmask interrupts feature. The above command gave me roughly
30% greater performance on my drives.
FWIW, kernel 2.3.99-pre3 with support for my IDE chipset enabled was 50%
faster than *that*. 17M/sec, which beats the hell out of 8 (no hdparm,
2.2.13) or 10 (2.2.13, hdparm cmd above enabled). I've found 2.3.99-pre3
nice and stable; YMMV and I think they're up to pre5 now.
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There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| Computers are lousy actors
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Lusers are vicious drama critics
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| BOFHen burn down theatres.
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 05:35:07 +1000
From: Charles Esson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: multifile editor
I know I should be using "vi" "find" and "grep".
I would however like an editor that.
1) displays the line number.
2) allows me to search all file in the directory and sub directory with
a couple of clicks and a sting entry.
3) allow me to have multiple windows open.
Can anyone suggest a nice simple to use option for a ex Visual C++
editor user.
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From: "Jukka Aho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Mounting Amiga FFS hard drive under Linux
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 03:00:16 +0300
"mark harman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi, I've obtained an Amiga hard disk which I'm trying to read on
> my PC. I have Suse Linux which I've recompiled to include Amiga
> FFS support, but I'm having trouble reading it. [...] If I run
> fdisk, it shows the drive as not having any partitions - is this
> normal? I don't know whether the partition table is stored the
> same or not on different platforms?
I have never had a chance to try reading my Amiga hard disks on a
PC (since most PCs use IDE and my Amiga hard disks are SCSI), but
I've been wondering this same thing ever since I encountered the
FFS support in Linux.
The partitioning system is very different on Amiga and on a PC
clone. Amiga has just 'partitions' with different boot priorities.
(There is no 'logical', 'primary', 'extended' etc. crap to worry
about.) I don't know how affs exactly handles it, but it obviously
should be able to do it, since the documentation mentions RDB (Rigid
Disk Block) which is one feature of Amiga hard disk partitioning
scheme.
Have you read this
<http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.2/doc/filesystems/affs.txt>?
-- znark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Kelly)
Subject: Re: Programming Languages on Linux
Date: 17 Apr 2000 00:02:52 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
agricola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
[snip]
>> > Care to share any thoughts about Eiffel code writing
>> > experience and maybe how it feels similar or different than C++
>> > or Smalltalk or other OO languages etc.??
>>
>> * [C++ Report] Eiffel for Native Speakers of C++
>> http://www.elj.com/eiffel/cpp/cpp-report-pd/
Thanks for the links.
[snip]
>
> what about forth ????????
>
What about it? :)
Anyways, with all the scripting languages, I'm sure a bibliography
would go on for pages and pages.. waste of bandwidth for usenet.
Maybe a web page with a list would be cool! :)
--
Mike
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