Linux-Misc Digest #227, Volume #20 Sun, 16 May 99 15:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Java working with glibc2.1 (RedHat 6/Debian Potato etc) (Juergen Kreileder)
Re: RedHat price... (Explanations) (Frank Sweetser)
Re: In defence of UNIX man pages (Juergen Heinzl)
LILO docs available in PDF, Re: LS-120 ("Cameron Spitzer")
Re: Debian: still viable? (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Re: RedHat price... (Explanations) (Mr. Fabulous)
set RELAYCLIENT, Re: can't send email through qmail ("Cameron Spitzer")
Re: Outlook style apps for Linux? (Ben Sandler)
Re: Networking Linux (marco tephlant)
Re: Sony Vaio (marco tephlant)
Re: Printing from Linux to NT (Scott Smith)
Re: Registry in Linux ??? (Ed Hurst)
Re: Help! My sound stops working after I stop my sound apps a few (Ben Sandler)
Re: In defence of UNIX man pages (Ed Hurst)
Re: RH 6.0: tetex 0.9-17 is broken ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Installing Linux with Windows 9x (again!)... ("Graeme Fenwick")
Re: Outlook style apps for Linux? (Ben Sandler)
Re: Help! My sound stops working after I stop my sound apps a few (Ben Sandler)
Printing into file (Guido Ehlert)
Re: Diald dials out every 15 minutes (Bill Unruh)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Russell
Nelson)
Re: Sony Vaio (siz)
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From: Juergen Kreileder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Java working with glibc2.1 (RedHat 6/Debian Potato etc)
Date: 16 May 1999 19:17:22 +0200
>>>>> Phillip Deackes writes:
Phillip> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hans Wolters wrote:
>> Phillip Deackes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> found a keyboard
>> and wrote the following ....
>>
>>> There is a glibc 2.1 compiled jdk 1.1.7 at the following url
>>> which works fine here:
>>>
>>> http://shell.ncm.com/~kreilede/
>>>
>>> All you need to do is download the tar.gz archive (18 MB!!) and unzip
>>> and untar it. No compiling needed.
>>
>> What's the difference with the glibc version's that
>> www.blackdown.org has on their mirror's?
The version from my page was a pre-release version.
The new 1.1.7v3 release is available from the usual mirrors.
Juergen
--
Juergen Kreileder
Blackdown Java-Linux Porting Team
http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux.html
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From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RedHat price... (Explanations)
Date: 16 May 1999 12:50:45 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mr. Fabulous) writes:
> During a restless day hobnobbing in comp.os.linux.misc,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Smoogen) quacked like a little penguin as
> (s)he typed on the keyboard like so:
>
> > Ok here are the reasons I know of for a "price hike" on the main boxed
> > set:
>
> OK. Respectfully: When all the rationalizations are tallied in my
> head, I am jarred by the whopping $80.00 price for the RH official
> boxed set, for something that inherently is free software.
remember: free != free. there's free beer, and free speech. redhat is
fully free speech, and is mostly free beer (you can download the whole
distro, but you have to pay to get the manual/support/extra applications
cd).
--
Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu fsweetser at blee.net | PGP key available
paramount.ind.wpi.edu RedHat 5.2 kernel 2.2.5 i586 | at public servers
Sam: Hey, how's life treating you there, Norm?
Norm: Beats me. ... Then it kicks me and leaves me for dead.
-- Cheers, Loverboyd
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: In defence of UNIX man pages
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 16:47:39 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tom Christiansen wrote:
> [courtesy cc of this posting sent to cited author via email]
>
>In comp.os.linux.misc,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Murphy) writes:
>:but now I see that the Linux man page has no examples,
>:while at least 2 other Unix systems I have used do.
>:In fact, Linux is far worse in this regard
>:than most Unix systems -- I can't think why.
> ^other
>
>Yes, the Linux manpages are an embarrassment. Take, for example, the
>manpages for tty(4) or diff(1) on a Linux systems compared with those
>on a BSD system. It would be laughable if it didn't make you cry.
>
>And that's why abandoned Linux for BSD whenever I need to get real
>work done.
See the Linux documentation project how you can help, though I think
if man pages are a reason to change the OS you've a real problem.
BTW, the info pages (use info, better pinfo) come with a lot of
examples and if it comes to learn the basic stuff, there are many
good books available.
Thank God I am not sarcastic, else I would say people who get the job
done can go along even without man pages instead of complaining about
them and waiting for others to do the job but as I said, I am not
sarcastic.
Let the flames start rolling,
Juergen
--
\ Real name : J�rgen Heinzl \ no flames /
\ EMail Private : [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ send money instead /
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From: "Cameron Spitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: LILO docs available in PDF, Re: LS-120
Date: 16 May 1999 17:34:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Rex Basham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Right. But if I cd to the LS120 /etc and edit the file to make the
>changes, then
>LILO -C /ls120/etc/lilo.conf
> complains that it can't find the image and/or the initrd files.
Post the output of fdisk -l while /ls120 is mounted, and the
contents of /ls120/etc/lilo.conf
You could be immortalized in the long-awaited next rev of
LILO mini-HOWTO.
After we debug it.
>Where is Werner's techie overview? The /usr/doc/lilo-0.20 files are in
>formats I have not yet learned to read (.tex, .ps, .fig). The ./rlatex
>wants a file and it grumbles about Missing \begin{document} regardless
>of what I try to feed it for parameters.
Go to http://judi.greens.org/lilo/ and click on "well-documented."
I have converted the Technical Overview, the User Guide,
and the manpages to Portable Document Format using ps2pdf,
a Ghostscript wrapper.
Acroread-4.0 Beta can read them. The xpdf shipped with Debian-2.1 can't.
Cameron
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Subject: Re: Debian: still viable?
Date: 16 May 1999 17:05:38 GMT
Cameron Spitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>But Debian is particularly bad in that regard, as there are combinations of
>packages that simply will not work together.
Debian employs an open bug-tracking system as part of its quality system;
see http://www.debian.org/Bugs . You may want to file bug reports for the
problems you encountered.
>NIS + Shadow passwords = system won't boot.
You'd have to give a lot more detail than that though. I have a Debian
system here that has both NIS and shadow passwords, without problems.
>dwww finds less and less info each time, though it was a good idea.
Under "unstable", dwww has a problem in that it employs an old-style
configuration file for the "menu" package
(http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/37/37378.html) which is currently broken for
such files (http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/37/37379.html). This problem
breaks part of dwww's functionality. It is being worked at.
Ray
--
J.H.M. Dassen | RUMOUR Believe all you hear. Your world may
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | not be a better one than the one the blocks
| live in but it'll be a sight more vivid.
| - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mr. Fabulous)
Subject: Re: RedHat price... (Explanations)
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:46:52 GMT
During a restless day hobnobbing in comp.os.linux.misc, Frank Sweetser
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> quacked like a little penguin as (s)he typed
on the keyboard like so:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mr. Fabulous) writes:
>
> > During a restless day hobnobbing in comp.os.linux.misc,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Smoogen) quacked like a little penguin as
> > (s)he typed on the keyboard like so:
> >
> > > Ok here are the reasons I know of for a "price hike" on the main boxed
> > > set:
> >
> > OK. Respectfully: When all the rationalizations are tallied in my
> > head, I am jarred by the whopping $80.00 price for the RH official
> > boxed set, for something that inherently is free software.
>
> remember: free != free.
I thought about clarifying that, even by putting in an RMS or
"free(dom)" parenthetical in there. But, I'm in this illustrious
company, I didn't think I had to bother. I meant both meanings
simultaneously, as a contrast to an independent contractor's from
scratch creation. In other words, I meant what you thought, and more.
<g> Take it easy.
> there's free beer, and free speech. redhat is
> fully free speech, and is mostly free beer (you can download the whole
> distro, but you have to pay to get the manual/support/extra applications
> cd).
--
Mr. Fabulous
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From: "Cameron Spitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: set RELAYCLIENT, Re: can't send email through qmail
Date: 16 May 1999 17:50:47 GMT
Yow! This belongs in the Qmail FAQ!
In article <ahw%2.1352$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Curt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Sorry, I didn't read your original post as carefully as I should have.
>
>add the following to hosts.allow , replacing 'local network' with my IPs
>(i.e. 192.168.2. )
>
>tcp-env: 'local netowrk' : setenv=RELAYCLIENT
>tcp-env: ALL
>
>and the following in to inetd.conf ( you probably have this)
>
>smtp stream tcp nowait qmaild /usr/sbin/tcpd
>/var/qmail/bin/tcp-env /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd
Don't forget to add qmaild to /etc/services. Most distros say "mail"
for port 540.
Now, how do I tell my Qmail server (fixed IP address) to be smarthost
for my home Qmail system, with its ever-changing IP address?
The only way I can figure is to send through uucp.
I tried a dynamic DNS (ez-ip.net) but it doesn't work because
the Qmail server can't verify my home system in rDNS (I think).
Cameron
>This will allow clients on your local net to use this system as a relay.
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From: Ben Sandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Outlook style apps for Linux?
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 18:08:04 +0000
Rob Brown-Bayliss wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Are there any e-mail and contact style apps (like outlook 98 in windows)
> for Linux...
I've never used Outlook, so I don't know what it does. But I use
Netscape mail which is quite nice.
--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--
Ben Sandler
The Roman Rule
The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the
one who is doing it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (marco tephlant)
Subject: Re: Networking Linux
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 19:22:15 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> I just built my network tonight... two $10 pci ethernet cards, and a
> $30 hub... works great! Spent more time reading how to do it than
> actually doing it... :> whee, but it's awful fun to be able to telnet
> in to my other box!
For added fun and "wow" factor try using VNC and running X applications
on one box and viewing them on the other!
--
Marco
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (marco tephlant)
Subject: Re: Sony Vaio
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 19:29:22 +0100
In article <7hm59r$rr1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Hello,
>
> Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:7hlnnm$760$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <LAs%2.13822$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >According to Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > >> And on the VAIO-PCG (the one
>
> Any built-in modem? Are those in VAIO series 'Winmodem' ??
>
> Orange
They aren't winmodems (surprisingly).
Anyone know how much they sell for in Japan? I'm mainly interested in the
tiny PCG ones, and am thinking of asking my Air-hostess sister in law to
pick one up for me on her travels if I can make a decent saving.
--
Marco
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Smith)
Subject: Re: Printing from Linux to NT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 18:24:41 GMT
On Sun, 16 May 1999 14:36:56 GMT, Piot Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is it possible to use the printer of my NT server from my linux box?
>I have a Laserjet 2 compatible printer and TCP/IP and lpd etc on NT
>installed, but I don't know how to configure samba to access my the
>printer on NT from my linux (suse 6.1)
If you have tcp/ip and lpd etc on NT, then you won't need samba to
print to NT from linux. Just put a remote printer in your printcap.
I think "man printcap" has info on how to do that.
Be warned, if you have a queue on NT for a printer on a Win95 client,
and you want to print to the Win95 by using the NT queue, it won't
work.
--
Scott Lacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Student of Computer Science
"Nullus Anxietas" Denton, Texas, US
The University of North Texas
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:13:48 -0500
From: Ed Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Registry in Linux ???
I think it's important to remember that an important function of the Windows
Registry is to make difficult-- if not impossible-- the use of pirated MS
software. I don't think it was the original intent, but it certainly has
evolved that way. With open-code software, that's not an issue.
Ed
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From: Ben Sandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Help! My sound stops working after I stop my sound apps a few
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 18:09:32 +0000
Chris Wilson wrote:
>
> Here's my problem:
>
> When I boot up my computer, sound on my system works fine. I can listen to
> Real Audio and play mp3's on mpg123, and it sounds fine. However, after I
> stop either app a few times and attempt to start it up again, the sound file
> doesn't play correctly. The system chokes out the file in short blips of
> static with Real Player, and on mpg123, there is no sound at all (although the
> CPU is making short blip-like sounds). There's obviously something wrong with
> my configuration, but I have no idea what it could be. If anybody has any
> possible solutions to this problem, please reply (and CC your post to my
> address).
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
run "ps aux" and see if you have old abandoned copies of mpg123 or other
sound playing programs running. Also try killing maudio.
HTH,
- Ben
--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--
Ben Sandler
The Roman Rule
The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the
one who is doing it.
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:40:33 -0500
From: Ed Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: In defence of UNIX man pages
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Matt and others,
Here's my perspective: I'm a computer hobbyist, with some three years
playing with Microsoft, and three months using Linux. My knowledge is spotty,
and I love reading well written books on computer topics. I'm also a certified
school teacher, and my greatest asset is not what I know about the subject
matter, but my ability to remember not knowing the subject matter. Thus, I
translate my vast knowledge of the subject (I had a 4.0 average) to those
without a clue. Further, I must accurately judge just how much they are able
to absorb, and what would be most useful to them.
Sometimes the man pages I read are helpful. Roughly half of the ones I've
tried are not. A couple were excellent. The FAQs and HOWTOs tend to be better,
but often assume too much. Some of the hard to find Linux books are great, a
couple are useless. If you can't tell the difference when you recommend them,
you've helped no one.
If the elites on this newsgroup intend to entertain themselves at the
expense of newbies (slashing, snobby comments), that is their right. Nobody
owns this newsgroup. But don't expect us true seekers to respect you. You
might know Linux, but you don't know people. Most of you are quite gracious,
and I'm impressed. A few of you are lucky you're out of bullet range.
Please learn to discern the difference between honest ignorance and gross
stupidity.
Ed
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Matt and others,
<BR> Here's my perspective: I'm a computer hobbyist,
with some three years playing with Microsoft, and three months using Linux.
My knowledge is spotty, and I love reading well written books on computer
topics. I'm also a certified school teacher, and my greatest asset
is not what I know about the subject matter, but my ability to remember
<U>not</U> knowing the subject matter. Thus, I translate my vast
knowledge of the subject (I had a 4.0 average) to those without a clue.
Further, I must accurately judge just how much they are able to absorb,
and what would be most useful to them.
<BR> Sometimes the man pages I read are helpful.
Roughly half of the ones I've tried are not. A couple were excellent.
The FAQs and HOWTOs tend to be better, but often assume too much.
Some of the hard to find Linux books are great, a couple are useless.
If you can't tell the difference when you recommend them, you've helped
no one.
<BR> If the elites on this newsgroup intend to entertain
themselves at the expense of newbies (slashing, snobby comments), that
is their right. Nobody owns this newsgroup. But don't expect
us true seekers to respect you. You might know Linux, but you <U>don't</U>
know people. Most of you are quite gracious, and I'm impressed.
A few of you are lucky you're out of bullet range.
<BR> Please learn to discern the difference between honest
ignorance and gross stupidity.
<P>Ed</HTML>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: RH 6.0: tetex 0.9-17 is broken
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 18:30:59 GMT
To fix the hyphenation problems, you need to replace the files in
/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/babel
Thomas Esser suggested the following fix :
/t/ctan/macros/latex/required/babel.tar.gz
unpack this, run
tex babel.ins
and replace the files in
texmf/tex/generic/babel
by the files just generated (as superuser of course):
cp -f `ls $TEXMFMAIN/tex/generic/babel` $TEXMFMAIN/tex/generic/babel
(fails on my machine, but you get the idea) from inside the new babel
directory. Then, run
fmtutil --all
and your problems should disappear.
I have tarred up my files in the subdirectory babel, and put it at
http://linux.agsm.ucla.edu/babel.tgz (~600kb)
After untarring them to replace your babel directory files (cd
/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic ; mv babel babel.rh60 ; tar xvfz
babel.tgz), you need to run "fmtutil --all." If the demand overwhelms
my computer, I will have to remove it and you will have to go for a ctan
site, instead. Similarly, if someone can create an rpm file that does
everything automatically, please let me know and I will replace the tgz
file with the rpm file.
Thanks to Thomas for responding to this so quickly. Please do not ask
me for further help; I am a tex neophyte.
/ivo welch
In article <7hih6r$2ta$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
> It makes many hyphenation mistakes. This is apparently a known
problem.
>
> Apparently the error is in the babel component. I am planning to
figure
> out how to fix it; perhaps, someone with RPM knowledge can post a
> replacement...
>
> /ivo welch
>
> --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--
> ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---
>
--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--
---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---
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From: "Graeme Fenwick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Installing Linux with Windows 9x (again!)...
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 18:50:03 GMT
Robert Hull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: Using the DOS bit of Partition Magic, I have successfully reconfigured
: my partitions on a 6.4GB drive on several occasions each time without
: any loss of data. Reasons for doing this have included:
:
: - adding an OS/2 partition,
: - Growing a Doze 95 partition (damn but that Doze is disk hungry!)
: - Backing up a partition by creating a duplicate
: - Adding an extra partition for Linux
: - etc.
:
: I strongly recommend that product. Of course YMMV so they say
I might check that out if I need it at some point, although I have a second
drive now, and... Linux installed. :-)
--
======================================================================
"What do you mean, spontaneous human combustion?! Dammit! I was
promised they'd get that Halt and Catch Fire instruction removed
before we went into production."
"Good job it wasn't our flagship model, Sir."
======================================================================
Graeme Fenwick
- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Don't forget to remove "BYESPAM" filter if replying by mail)
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From: Ben Sandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Outlook style apps for Linux?
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 18:37:59 +0000
Rob Brown-Bayliss wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Are there any e-mail and contact style apps (like outlook 98 in windows)
> for Linux...
I have never used Outlook, so I don't know what it does, but I use
Netscape mail for all my mail needs, and it does the trick quite nicely.
--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--
Ben Sandler
The Roman Rule
The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the
one who is doing it.
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From: Ben Sandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Help! My sound stops working after I stop my sound apps a few
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 18:34:48 +0000
Try running "ps aux" and see if you have any old copies of mpg123 or
other sound programs running. Also try killing maudio.
HTH,
- Ben
Chris Wilson wrote:
>
> Here's my problem:
>
> When I boot up my computer, sound on my system works fine. I can listen to
> Real Audio and play mp3's on mpg123, and it sounds fine. However, after I
> stop either app a few times and attempt to start it up again, the sound file
> doesn't play correctly. The system chokes out the file in short blips of
> static with Real Player, and on mpg123, there is no sound at all (although the
> CPU is making short blip-like sounds). There's obviously something wrong with
> my configuration, but I have no idea what it could be. If anybody has any
> possible solutions to this problem, please reply (and CC your post to my
> address).
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
--
--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--
Ben Sandler
email me: sandler at ymail dot yu dot edu
The Roman Rule
The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the
one who is doing it.
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From: Guido Ehlert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Printing into file
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 19:10:21 +0200
Has anyone an idea how to print into a file?
Thanks,
Guido
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: Diald dials out every 15 minutes
Date: 16 May 1999 19:02:16 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (marco
tephlant) writes:
>Im pleased to say i've got IP masquerading and diald working this
>weekend, one problem though is that diald spontaneously dials out. I've
Are you running some daemons-- eg named or gated? Don't. neither is
needed, both cause problems for an at home system.
If it is not these check other daemons (xntpd, chronyd,...) which might
periodicaly be going tothenet to get info.
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From: Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: 16 May 1999 14:13:23 -0400
Aqeel Mahesri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Literacy in the US before public education was instituted during the
> progressive era was under 50%. Today it is 96%.
89% of all statistics are made up on the spot. Do you have references
for these numbers?
--
-russ nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://crynwr.com/~nelson
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Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | child.
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From: siz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sony Vaio
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:57:48 -0400
How about the PCG-838, with a much nicer (and bigger) display? Good for a=
Linux
install? I suppose I'd be using it in place of a desktop machine, and not=
so
much for travel.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Linus Torvalds) wrote:
>I really like the formfactor, but I wonder if not the slightly larger
>(but thinner) 505 with the larger screen is stil the better machine.=20
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