Linux-Misc Digest #227, Volume #21 Sat, 31 Jul 99 00:13:14 EDT
Contents:
Re: realaudio player w/source code (Gergo Barany)
Re: C question (Manny Roque)
Java - Installation Problems ("Otha Stubblefield")
Re: math.h problem (Don Secrest)
Re: seting up dial-in PPP ? (David)
Re: Dependencies issues (Lindoze 2000)
Re: helping the Third World (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: CIA assassinations ("A.T.Z.")
Re: CIA assassinations (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Strange Characters Appear in Man Pages (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Strange Characters Appear in Man Pages (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: math.h problem ("Dann Corbit")
Re: How to reduce the size of desktop using ctrl+alt++ (Michael Keryan)
Re: boot on serial port (Lars Gullik Bj�nnes)
Strange Characters Appear in Man Pages (Carey Bunks)
Free C & Pascal compilers (antiques) (William Burrow)
Re: RH 6.0 and Iomega PP zip driver (Andre Martinez)
Re: How to rm file with special chars? (Robert Krawitz)
Posting MS Project 98 schedules on GNU/Linux +Apache ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
brain teaser (Jeff Trisoliere)
Unusually complex/exotic lpr, lpd, printcap games & fun... (Robert Heller)
Re: Reading News Offline (John Hasler)
Re: What I think of linux. (John Burg)
Re: What I think of linux. (John Hasler)
Re: Real player G2 beta for linux (Bev)
Re: Java 1.2 (Eric Welton)
Help with shutdown script (Warren Bell)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gergo Barany)
Subject: Re: realaudio player w/source code
Date: 31 Jul 1999 00:19:08 GMT
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:31:19 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Anyone know of a RealAudio player for Linux (or any other OS, if it
>comes to that) that includes the source code?
There is none. The Real format is proprietary and, according to rumors,
new versions of the software will not be available to users of
non-mainstream operating systems. Do not use that format and tell anyone
who uses it that they should use one of the free and technically
superior formats. There's nothing that RealAudio/Video can do that's not
possible with other file formats.
Gergo
--
A bachelor never quite gets over the idea that he is a thing of beauty
and a boy for ever.
-- Helen Rowland
GU d- s:+ a--- C++>$ UL+++ P>++ L+++ E>++ W+ N++ o? K- w--- !O !M !V
PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP+ t* 5+ X- R>+ tv++ b+>+++ DI+ D+ G>++ e* h! !r !y+
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From: Manny Roque <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: C question
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:01:39 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > hello.
> >
> > I want to access file information in linux using C. ie. filesize, date
> > modified, filename etc. I wrote the following piece of code in DOS
> using
> > borland Turbo C++. How do I write an equivalent linux version?????
> >
> > #include <stdio.h>
> > #include <dir.h>
> > #include <conio.h>
> >
> > ......
> > ......
> > clrscr(); //found in conio.h
> > struct ffblk f;
> > findfirst("filename.ext", &f,0);
> > /* now struct f contains the info i want. what do i use in linux?? */
> > getch(); //found in conio.h
> > .....
> > .....
> > .....
> > what header file must i include to make use of clrscr() and getch()
> ????
> >
> > thanks for the help
> > ali
>
> Do a man fgetc to find a suitable replacement for getch().
>
> For clrscr(), that's a Borland oddity. You might be able to get away
> with sending a control-l to the terminal (printf("%c",0x0c)). If you
> need more than that, then you'll probably have to investigate using the
> ncurses library.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
easier way to do this is with a call to the system, in which case it's
linux.
for this function you will need to include stdlib.h
try
system( "clear" );
this will do the same thing without the help of proprietary software ;)
--
Sincerely,
Manny Roque
URL: <http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~roque>
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From: "Otha Stubblefield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Java - Installation Problems
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:20:42 -0700
I have Redhat 6.0. I downloaded v1.1.8 of the jdk. I thought I had
installed in correctly, but I get a SISEGV error (#11), when I try to run
jre or compile java applets with java. What could be the cause?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Don Secrest)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c,gnu.gcc.help
Subject: Re: math.h problem
Date: 30 Jul 1999 21:17:22 GMT
>>enough; virtually every quarter I get a student asking why the
>>linker said that _sqrt was undefined.
If you are a teacher it is not your job to make things simple for your
students so they do not need to know what the world is like. You need
to teach them that they must tell the linker to link the math library if
they are using floating point math.
One of your students may get a job using c and be in a unix
group and not know how to use math functions. His employer will think
he has not been properly trained.
I think linux would not be doing anyone a favor by making linux
incompatible with other unix systems. Every program in the c library is
called by some other program in the c library. So the c library is the
minimum search for the loader. No program in the c library calls a
floating point math program, so it is reasonable to expect someone who
wants to use a math library routine to tell the linker about it.
Don Secrest
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From: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: seting up dial-in PPP ?
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:17:09 -0500
Nicolas Anquetil wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering how to set up my linux so that it starts automagically
> ppp when I dial in.
>
> Apparently getty can only start a chat script when one dials in, not a
> shell script like `ppp-on'.
>
> Am I right ?
>
> Any other solution?
>
> thanks
>
> --
> Nicolas ANQUETIL Research Associate/Associ� de
> recherche
> Knowledge Based Reverse Engineering Univ. of/d'Ottawa
> E-Mail: Anquetil "at" CSI.UOttawa.CA Tel: (1) (613) 562-5800 x6688
If you are using Red Hat 6.0 and want it to start when you boot.
You might try using linuxconf and follow the tree down as listed below:
config
networking
client tasks
routing and gateways
PPP/SLIP/PLIP
click on PPP/SLIP/PLIP and then configurations PPP0
then on networking and then the activate interface at boot time
OR you could just go to /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ppp0
and edit where it says :
ONBOOT=no change to ONBOOT=yes
then reboot this should start your ppp0 connection at boot up.
OR if you want to be able to start ppp as a user try entering
usernet at an xterm prompt and click on the ppp0 square.
Sorry NO Guarantee!
But it's Free! ;~)
David
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From: Lindoze 2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dependencies issues
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:46:05 -0400
if its a simple prog. just RPM without dep. rpm --nodeps
Kevin Scott wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I am trying to install three RPM pagages, and am having a bit of a
> problem with it. When trying to install each one, rpm gives me a list
> of failed dependencies. For completeness, here are the exact errors
>
> rpm -Uvh tcl-8.0.4-29.i386.rpm
> failed dependencies:
> libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1) is needed by tcl-8.0.4-29
> libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.0) is needed by tcl-8.0.4-29
> libm.so.6(GLIBC_2.1) is needed by tcl-8.0.4-29
>
> rpm -Uvh tclx-8.0.4-29.i386.rpm
> failed dependencies:
> libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1) is needed by tclx-8.0.4-29
> libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.0) is needed by tclx-8.0.4-29
> libm.so.6(GLIBC_2.1) is needed by tclx-8.0.4-29
>
> rpm -Uvh tk-8.0.4-29.i386.rpm
> failed dependencies:
> libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.0) is needed by tk-8.0.4-29
> libm.so.6(GLIBC_2.1) is needed by tk-8.0.4-29
>
> The problem I am having is that I seem to have the files required by
> these packages in my /lib directory. What am I missing? Thanks in
> advance.
>
> Kevin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: helping the Third World
Date: 30 Jul 1999 22:41:25 -0400
On 30 Jul 1999 17:21:04 GMT, Richard Kulisz wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>The only way to actually do anything is to work collectively. Yet
So why don't the socialists "work collectively" ? Do they want to
redistribute, or are they more interested in coercing others to do
so ?
>and left-wingers "Why don't you change the world all by yourself?"
>so in fact they *do* expect others to do the blatantly impossible
>before they stop being selfish assholes.
No, they expect the loopy left to put their money where their mouths are.
ie don't pretend to be altruistic if you're not.
--
Donovan
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From: "A.T.Z." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:11:04 +0200
Richard Kulisz schreef:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, A.T.Z. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >This stuff belongs in alt.conspiracy
> Are you denying that technology
> costs a lot of capital which very few people have access to?
No. I assume you want to get back to the past. Throw the machines out and
people back in??
> If not
> then what the hell are you saying
You make it look like a conspiracy from the wealth against the poor. That's
what I mean when I say this stuff belongs in alt.conspiracy.
> >Richard Kulisz schreef:
> >> And why do you think the technology was put in place? Technology serves
> >> whoever controls it. Who do you think owns technology in the USA?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 30 Jul 1999 22:51:00 -0400
>That is a great idea. I'd love to see all the American socialists move to
>Europe and all the European free market capitalists move to America. Then
I think it's very simple minded to assume that those who aren't extreme
rightists are all communists.
You also seem dangerously close to suggesting that the only
possible solutions are hard-line capitalism and hard line communism. It
might interest some of the people in this thread to discover that there
are people who do not see either of the two as optimal.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Strange Characters Appear in Man Pages
Date: 30 Jul 1999 17:30:30 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <Gdoo3.25$%55.4576@burlma1-snr2>, Carey Bunks wrote:
> I've
> found that man pages have a strange behavior for certain characters.
> This is most prominant for hyphens at the end of a line. Instead of
> the "-" character the man page displays <AD> in reverse video.
Set the LESSCHARSET environment variable
(e.g., `export LESSCHARSET=latin1' in bash).
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: Strange Characters Appear in Man Pages
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:31:14 GMT
In article <Gdoo3.25$%55.4576@burlma1-snr2>, Carey Bunks wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have Mandrake 6.0 (Mendocino) with the 2.2.9mdk kernel and I've
>found that man pages have a strange behavior for certain characters.
>This is most prominant for hyphens at the end of a line. Instead of
>the "-" character the man page displays <AD> in reverse video. There
>are some other special characters that seem to have this problem (such
>as accents).
>
>Does anyone know how to cure this problem?
Let's try a shot into the dark ...
export LESSCHARSET=latin1
... and use groff with -Tlatin1. How to set that as the default
depends on you man binary, but give it a try first.
Ta',
Juergen
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From: "Dann Corbit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c,gnu.gcc.help
Subject: Re: math.h problem
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:38:57 -0700
Don Secrest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7nt4p2$ccg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>enough; virtually every quarter I get a student asking why the
> >>linker said that _sqrt was undefined.
>
> If you are a teacher it is not your job to make things simple for your
> students so they do not need to know what the world is like. You need
> to teach them that they must tell the linker to link the math library if
> they are using floating point math.
>
> One of your students may get a job using c and be in a unix
> group and not know how to use math functions. His employer will think
> he has not been properly trained.
All flavors of UNIX should fix this utter stupidity
> I think linux would not be doing anyone a favor by making linux
> incompatible with other unix systems.
The same sort of thinking that preserved gets() into C9X. Oh, joy.
> Every program in the c library is
> called by some other program in the c library.
What a load of crap. Besides which, it isn't true. And not only that, it's
false.
> So the c library is the
> minimum search for the loader. No program in the c library calls a
> floating point math program, so it is reasonable to expect someone who
> wants to use a math library routine to tell the linker about it.
I'm sure the thousandth of a second spent searching another 50 entries in
the library's table of contents would utterly bring UNIX to its knees.
--
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From: Michael Keryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to reduce the size of desktop using ctrl+alt++
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:42:01 GMT
"J.N. Subrahmanyam" wrote:
> Dear friends,
>
> Previously, I used to do ctrl+alt+"+" to change the size of the desktop.
> Now I am using a different linux system. Using ctrl+alt+"+" I am not
> able to change the desktop size. Could somebody help me in changing the
> size of my desktop using the above mentioned procedure.
>
> Regards,
> subrahmanyam
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
The XF86Config file, usually found in /etc/X11/, has all the settings for
your display. If you are using the "svga" driver, then find the Modes line
in the Screen section:
...
Section "Screen"
Driver "svga"
...
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ...
...
If you only see one mode, you'll only get one size.
Mike K
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lars Gullik Bj�nnes)
Subject: Re: boot on serial port
Date: 30 Jul 1999 23:45:32 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lars Gullik Bj�nnes) writes:
| I have been trying to get all the information from boot written to the
| serial port, but have so far failed. Lilo writes to ttyS0, but I am
| unable to make the kernel do the same.
I made it work by:
- makeing /dev/console a link to /dev/ttyS0
- compiling without support for virtual consoles
- removing the graphics card.
Lgb
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carey Bunks)
Subject: Strange Characters Appear in Man Pages
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:49:42 GMT
Hi,
I have Mandrake 6.0 (Mendocino) with the 2.2.9mdk kernel and I've
found that man pages have a strange behavior for certain characters.
This is most prominant for hyphens at the end of a line. Instead of
the "-" character the man page displays <AD> in reverse video. There
are some other special characters that seem to have this problem (such
as accents).
Does anyone know how to cure this problem?
Thanks
Carey Bunks
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.msdos.programmer
Subject: Free C & Pascal compilers (antiques)
Date: 30 Jul 1999 21:41:47 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maybe this is old news for the msdos programmer lot, but for DOSEMU
users looking for a 16-bit compiler for cheap, here is a pointer...
On Sat, 31 Jul 1999 08:37:30 +1200,
jim granville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:35:25 +1200,
>> jim granville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >i) I see Borland have placed TC, and TP <= 5.5 for free download.
>> >Very commendable.
>>
>> Could you expand on where on their site these downloads would be
>> available? I checked with Lynx, but didn't see anything obvious. Their
>> downloads page only seems to have updates....
>
>Its in the cobwebs at
>
>http://community.borland.com/museum/
>
>Where the < 1989 Sw resides. Seems Topspeed could do the same to me..
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
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From: Andre Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: RH 6.0 and Iomega PP zip driver
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:31:12 -0400
Hi,
I also have a new install of RH6.0 and I cannot get the PP Zip working
either, (even though it works fine on my Debian Linux Installation on
another machine).
I tried 'modprobe ppa' as G-man suggests. The computer responds with.
/lib/modules/2.2.5-15/scsi/ppa.0: init_module: Device or Resource Busy
This is the same output I get if I use 'insmod parport' then 'insmod ppa'
I've poured over all the documentation I can find, this one is a mystery to
me.
My Best to All
Andre
G-man wrote:
> I had success using 'modprobe ppa' instead of 'insmod'. Give it a try.
> Good luck.
>
> Dan Bizuneh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > During the installation of RH 5.2 a while back, I chose Iomega PP zip
> > drive from the scsi list, redhat recognized my parallel port zip drive
> > and everything went well. But when I try to upgrade to RH 6.0, redhat
> > was unable to auto probe my parallel port zip drive. Does anyone know
> > how I can make my parallel port zip drive work on RH 6.0?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Dan Bizuneh
> >
> >
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From: Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to rm file with special chars?
Date: 30 Jul 1999 17:12:06 -0400
bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Obviously a newbie ?. I created a file starting with --. How can I rm it
> (w/o starting X)? TIA.
rm -- --
--
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Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works."
--Eric Crampton
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Posting MS Project 98 schedules on GNU/Linux +Apache
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:56:21 GMT
I have just put together a Linux server for the office. Email, Samba
and apache works well, but... I can't find any way to enable Microsoft
Project 98 to "share" our projects on the server. I've tried to use the
web options of the program but it doesn't work.
Is it possible to solve this problems or I'm forced to use a MicroSoft
server ??
Thanks and sorry for the English
PIETRO
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: Jeff Trisoliere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: brain teaser
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:27:03 -0500
What is the most commonly used MS-DOS command? Hint it's still used in
Windows NT and does not work at the Netware server console. Hint 2: This
command is also available in Linux, the command does a different
function in NT as it does in DOS or Linux and this command can be
disabled in Linux.
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Unusually complex/exotic lpr, lpd, printcap games & fun...
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 02:36:29 GMT
First of all I am quite familure with RedHat's printtool and the 'magic
filter' games. I have a Cannon BJ330 printer. This is a *wide
carriage* pin-feed (I have a sheet feeder also) ink-jet printer. I have
it running in Epson emulation mode. It behaves like a 24-pin Epson
printer. I have everything setup and working fine with GS 5.10 (under
RH 5.2). There are some special things *I* want to do, however, and I
am not sure how to do them.
I do two *main* kinds of printing (at present): PostScript on normal
letter sized paper (8.5x11) and non PostScript printing on wide pin-feed
(continuous) paper (I presently have some paper that is 14+" wide, by
8.5" between perfs. -- yes, 'short' pages, but you get 68 lines/page at
8 lpi (the printer has an '8 lines per inch' mode). At present the
normal setup works just fine. I manually switch the printer's feed
source and manually 'sync' what I print with how the printer is set up.
The normal print filter includes the option '-papersize=LETTER' on the
gs command line, which at present is ok, BUT I want to do some special
things:
I'd like to print on 'strange' sized paper sometimes. I am not sure if
I should edit /usr/share/ghostscript/5.10/gs_statd.ps or if there is a
better way to deal with strange sizes.
I'd like to have filters in place for several different paper sizes at
the same time (randomly editing or having way too much fun with mv/ln
is something I'd like to avoid), and somehow specify on the lpr command
which filter / filter options to use. I'm thinking: I could set up
several queues all feeding the same device, but I am not sure if that
will create a mess (lock and queue management nastiness). Is lpr/lpd
too dumb to handle this sort of reality or is there a 'smart' lpr/lpd
replacement available? I could probably create a 'smart' lpr/lpd
package that supported the extra options -- would anybody else even be
interested in such a beast? Note: there might not be any way to tell
*from the tile itself* what options it would want (although peeking for
%%PageSize or %%DocumentMedia, etc. options might be possible, these
might not be there or be meaningful sometimes).
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Reading News Offline
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:23:34 GMT
Christopher Browne writes:
> INN is obviously another choice; I think I'll wait until someone creates
> a Linuxconf configuration module for it...
I find cnews fairly easy to install and configure, but that may be because
I have been using it for about 10 years. I've not tried the Debian INN
package.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Burg)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: 31 Jul 1999 03:20:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:09:25 -0700, Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I punched my first deck of cards for an IBM 1602 (1620??) in 1968.
>That's not a PC - it was a mainframe with lots of blinking lights
>and a typewriter console. I miss those blinking lights.
How quaint! ;)
John
>
>Arthur
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:41:59 GMT
alann writes:
> I would be curious as to the average age of Linux users. I'm 34.
Be patient. You'll grow up some day.
> First computer I ever had my hands on was a Commodore PET. That was a
> LONG time ago.
I guess it might seem that way to a 34 year old.
> How many are over 40...
I'm 52.
> ...and grew up in a generation that computers DIDN'T exist?
One has to be considerably older than 40 to have grown up in a generation
for which computers did not exist. Programming courses were commonplace
when I was in college in the sixties.
> How many users used a computer with Windows for their "virgin" computer
> experience?
I used an IBM 1620 with Fortran as my "virgin" computer experience. I went
on to learn to use Unix: so can Windows users. I did use Windows for a
project for a few months a few years ago. An unpleasant experience.
> Thats all they know.
They can learn.
> There are a lot of 8 year old's now that are more computer literate than
> some 50 year olds.
And there are a lot of 50 year old's that have such a head start that the 8
year old's will never catch up.
> I see this now in my local linux user group. A lot of the members are
> "kids".. HS'ers, college kids that know thier way around linux as much
> as I *WOULD* like to.
You could learn if you really wanted to. I was about your age when I first
came in contact with Unix.
> I give M$ 10 years max. They might still be around, but they will be
> writing apps, not OS's.. Todays kids will certainly make sure that
> happens.
Some of us doddering oldsters will have a bit to do with it as well.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Real player G2 beta for linux
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:23:21 -0700
Reply-To: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Bev wrote:
>
> > > > Where can I get Realplayer G2 beta for linux. I tried
> > > > http://proforma.real.com/mario/player/player.html for the download. but
> > > > it seems only possible to get realplayer 5.0 there.
>
> It looked like the right place, but I didn't want to fill in all the
> crap again just to test.
>
> http://proforma.real.com/mario/player/player.html <fill-in stuff
> snipped>
> brought me to a page where I could select the closest server to download
> G2 for linux 2.0/2.2.
Shit, I just checked this out and you're absolutely right, it DID toss me
into the 5.0 pile. It seems to have removed the 2.0/2.2 choice... BUT
the link that I saved with all the details sends me to the G2 download
page. I've changed my name and email on this URL, so you might want to
edit the NOBODY etc. stuff to match your own particulars...
http://proforma.real.com/mario/player/player.html?s=1&language=English&speed=Pentium&dc=520519518&src=&name=No+Body&email=nobody%40nowhere.net&country=US&platform=Linux+2.0%2F2.2&connection=28.8+kbps+modem&product=
It won't accept backslashes as continuation characters...
--
Cheers,
Bev
==============================================
Linux: The penguin is mightier than the sword
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From: Eric Welton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Java 1.2
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 03:29:28 GMT
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:12:54 -0700
From: Warren Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help with shutdown script
I'm trying to make a shudown script that will halt the system from
within x windows. What I'm trying to do is open up an xterm to prompt
for the root password and once the password's typed in will shut down
the system. Somthing like:
xterm -e su # open xterm with pass prompt
after password is given, while xterm open, execute
/sbin/shutdown -h now
done
Does anyone know how I can write this? I tried:
#!/bin/sh
while [ 'xterm -e su' ]; do
/sbin/shutdown -h now;
done
But that didn't work too well.
Thanks,
Warren Bell
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