Linux-Misc Digest #355, Volume #20 Wed, 26 May 99 09:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: Commercially speaking....? (David Damerell)
Re: Iomega products and Linux (Bill Simpson)
Linux Crashed!? (Paul Wildrick)
Re: Commercially speaking....? (David Damerell)
Re: Configuration for high-spec NFS server (Bill Jackson)
ISA sound card WILL NOT work correctly, regardless of what I do (Chris Wilson)
Re: Middleware to connect PostgreSQL to Web forms ? ("Cameron Spitzer")
Testers needed for Linux Counter machine registration script ("Harald Tveit
Alvestrand")
Re: Linux Winzip utility (John Thompson)
Re: G200? (Brad Mills)
Re: Tools for Linux Hard disk duplication ? (Nguyen-Dai Quy)
Re: What has happened to www.linuxhq.com (Stu)
gcc: Warning! [object] may be crobbled by longjmp or vfork (Dragos STOICHITA)
Re: Problem booting from hard disk ("Robert Gusek")
Re: Tape Backup causing lockup (Kevin Turnquist)
Re: gcc: Warning! [object] may be crobbled by longjmp or vfork ("D. Vrabel")
Problem booting from hard disk ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: AutoInstall is for experts, not beginners!!! (Gilles Pelletier)
Rosemeier Termin (Kai Schnabel)
Re: SlackWare 4.0 ISO available! (Peter Herttrich)
boot diskette for PS/2 (MCA, ESDI...) ? (Georg Schwarz)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Damerell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,linux.help,linux.news.groups,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: 26 May 1999 11:34:29 +0100 (BST)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Erik Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Alistair Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>If you're going to claim that your program is 'Open source', do it
>>right. Don't do what Apple did, and claimed that their product was
>>open source, and then put in lots of clauses limiting what can be done
>>with the code. This made them very unpopular. Either a truly open
>>license, such as GPL, or commercial - not in between.
>IMO Apple was trying to pay lip service to the Open Source crowd and their
>attempt back fired. The lesson learned here is any commercial open source
>initative had better be genuine.
Be fair to Apple; they have modified the APSL to address the criticisms
made of it, and as far as I can see everyone likes the new version. I
suspect the problem with the APSL was just a combination of Apple
inserting standard legalese and ESR being overly eager to claim another
success for open source.
--
David/Kirsty Damerell. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CUWoCS President. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/ Hail Eris!
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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:24:54 +0000
From: Bill Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Bill Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Iomega products and Linux
I have another Linux-hostile hardware company to mention: Sony.
I bought a Sony pcg-812 laptop some time ago. If you register the computer
with Sony you get a 1-yr warranty. The snag is that the only way to
register is via some windows program. Since I erased all the windows junk
on the HD, I couldn't get the 1-yr warranty.
So I would suggest you buy a laptop from someone else (or complain to
Sony).
Bill
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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 15:53:28 -0700
From: Paul Wildrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Crashed!?
I'm hoping somebody out there can help me. My linux server has been
crashing with this error.
touch: /var/log/news/nntpsend.log: No such file or directory
chmod: /var/log/news/nntpsend.log: No such file or directory
/usr/lib/news/bin/nntpsend: /var/log/news/nntpsend.log: No such file or
directory
nntpsend: [13937] start
nntpsend: [13937] stop
The was the last email to the root account before it died. After that I
can't log in.
Any ideas?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Damerell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,linux.help,linux.news.groups,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: 26 May 1999 11:39:52 +0100 (BST)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Matthew Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Erik Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>IMO Apple was trying to pay lip service to the Open Source crowd and their
>>attempt back fired. The lesson learned here is any commercial open source
>>initative had better be genuine.
>I'd check this but my external network access is shafted, but isn't Open
>Source a registered trademark? If so, I'm not sure why it's not more
>rigorously enforced in cases such as Apple's (and Al Gore :-) ). Or maybe
>it's down to a lack of money to pursue such cases. Hey ho.
Er, no. The APSL version 1.0 was called 'open source' because Eric Raymond
of the Open Source Initiative said they could, having not read it
carefully enough.
OSI believe they hold the 'open source' trademark, and so would be
unlikely to take action against a license they had approved.
Software in the Public Interest, Inc. (SPI) also believe they hold the
'open source' trademark, and did not approve of the APSL v1.0; but they
are currently trying to settle the ownership with OSI, and so were also
unlikely to take action. (AFAIK, SPI don't want it; but ESR's judgement
seems lax enough that they don't want OSI to have it.)
It is largely academic now Apple have fixed the APSL.
--
David/Kirsty Damerell. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CUWoCS President. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/ Hail Eris!
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From: Bill Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Configuration for high-spec NFS server
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 04:41:26 -0400
the sun enterprise 450 will provide you with better performance, but it is a
question of how much performance you will actually need...the pc/linux solution
may be 'good enough' for you, and should be much cheaper...
Ron wrote:
> Don't know about how many clients you're talking, but maybe you should take
> a look at AFS, which is supposed to give a better performance...
> Nick Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:7i76b7$7ej$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I'm involved in specifying a new server for a research group,
> > which requires a high performance NFS server. Under
> > consideration are a Sun Enterprise 450 with a StorEdge A1000
> > external RAID box running Solaris, or a PC-based Linux solution,
> > as detailed below.
> >
> > I'm interested in the likely NFS throughputs that could be
> > expected from this configuration, as well as any helpful
> > comments as to the general suitability of the design.
> >
> > Server configuration:
> >
> > * Dual/Quad Intel Pentium III Xeon (512K LII) at 500MHz
> > * 1GB ECC EDO RAM
> > * Mylex eXtremeRAID 1100 64bit PCI RAID Controller (64MB cache)
> > * 6 x 36.4GB Seagate Barracuda LVD Ultra-2 SCSI disks (3 per
> > channel on the RAID controller - in RAID 5 array)
> > * 3Com 3C985 Gigabit Ethernet NIC
> >
> > Network configuration:
> >
> > * 3Com Switch 3300 10/100 (48 ports total) with Gigabit modules
> >
> > Client configuration:
> >
> > * Mixed Sun hardware, from SparcStation 4 to Ultra 60
> > * Miscellaneous PC Linux boxes (Pentium II)
> >
> > System load:
> >
> > * 15-20 simultaneous users
> > * Typically multi-gigabyte datasets stored as UNIX files
> > * 50/50 read/write load
> >
> > --
> >
> > [ Nick Williams Office - 01865-(2)79252 ]
> > [ Computing Officer Mobile - 07775-637124 ]
> > [ New College, Oxford http://www.new.ox.ac.uk/~nick/ ]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Wilson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: ISA sound card WILL NOT work correctly, regardless of what I do
Date: 26 May 1999 08:33:50 GMT
I'm really running out of options here -- I've tried just about everything to
make this sound card work.
I'm running RH6.0, and am attempting to configure my Crystal CS4232 PnP card
to work with this OS.
I have used isapnptools to inform the machine of my sound card's existence,
which was only partially successful. Whenever I play a file or URL on a sound
application, a one second clip will play and repeat itself over and over again
on an infinite loop. I checked the sound documentation regarding this
problem, and it says that it's typically caused by conflicting IRQ or DMA
settings. Howevever, pnpdump *only* offers me IRQ five for the WSS/SB device,
which is reported as being used by the Crystal sound card by /proc/interrupts.
But isn't WSS/SB itself the sound card? How can one device's IRQ setting
conflict with its own setting?
But anyway, even if I comment out the IRQ setting for WSS/SB, and type "isapnp
isapnp.conf" again, which yields no conflicts (although an IRQ is probably
needed), my audio applications still behave the same.
I've tried typing "rmmod sound" to remove the sound modules, and start over
again. No -- that doesn't work either. My system reports that "sound is in
use".
I've tried installing the OSS demo from www.4front-tech.com, but it requires
me to remove the sound modules, which of course I can't do.
I've been trying for over a month to get this sound card to work on my
computer, and unless I can get some sound advice on how to solve this problem,
I'm going to have to give up.
I listen to all of my music on my computer, and ever since I replaced Windows95
with Linux, it's been awfully quiet in here. Will somebody please save me, and
CC their reply to my address?
Thank you.
--Chris
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From: "Cameron Spitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Middleware to connect PostgreSQL to Web forms ?
Date: 26 May 1999 07:39:37 GMT
In article <tFK23.1482$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 24 May 1999 22:39:53 GMT, Gene Wilburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Depending on your definition, PHP3 would certainly qualify as
>>middleware.
>
>Does it provide:
>- Distributed processing [undefined acronym]
>- Transaction support [undefined acronym]
>- Robust messaging queueing with configurable quality of service
[undefined acronym]
>- Event notifications [buzzword]
>
>That's the sort of thing that middleware provides.
More importantly to my purpose, the commercial middleware packages
let you describe the logic of your database application in very
high level terms, and generate from that description *working code*
that will implement it. The concept is that most Web-enabled database
apps do pretty much the same thing, and we have better things to do than
write the same logic in Perl or C over and over.
>PHP seems to merely be Yet Another Web Page Language.
Exactly. I already have have Perl and cgilib, and I can write HTML
with vi. It just looks really tedious to do a shared database in low level
tools like that. Once you've written hardware in register transfer language
and cooked it down to gates with Synopsys Design Compiler, it's hard to
go back to gate-level schematic entry. I want a Design Compiler for my
shared database app, and what I'm hearing here is there is no such thing
in the free software world. Oh well. I can draw the gates and count the
nanoseconds if I have to. Or write the SQL calls and HTML forms, line by line.
Cameron
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From: "Harald Tveit Alvestrand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Testers needed for Linux Counter machine registration script
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:32:51 +0200
I've created a tool for automatically maintaining a machine's entry in the
Linux Counter.
This is the only sensible way to get stats for things like kernel versions,
uptimes, disk, RAM
and so on, which tend to change all the time.
It's a perl script (you can see what it does!), and should be harmless to
your system.
But I need to test it so that I can verify that it works across a wide range
of systems,
kernel versions and so on.
Everyone who can is welcome to run it - it's at
http://counter.li.org/scripts/
The weirder your setup is, the better!
Any problems: Mail me - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks in advance!
Harald T. Alvestrand
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Winzip utility
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 18:59:49 -0600
Kevin Scott wrote:
>
> Is anyone aware of a utility for linux which understands ".zip" files?
> It would be awfully convienent if I could unzip files created by Winzip
> (in WinX environment of course) in linux.
InfoZip's zip/unzip utilities work fine in linux (and if you
read your WinZip documentation you'll find that they
provided the zip/unzip code for WinZip also). If you want
something with a GUI front-end and the ability to understand
multiple archive formats, check out TkZip. It handles tar,
tgz (gzipped tar), plain gzip, zip, rpm and probably other
formats as well.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brad Mills)
Subject: Re: G200?
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:14:41 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chris Mauritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Chris Knapp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>
>> I'm using RH5.2. Is support for the G200 included out of the box? I can't
>> seem to get X to work properly.
>
>No, it isn't. However, Redhat 6.0 does support it out of the box. It
>found and probed my G200 and automagically set me up in 1280x1024x32bpp.
I use a G200 with RH5.1 by running the Metro-X server included with
RH5.1. I had to dload an upgrade to Metro-X but since then it's been
great, running at 1600x1200.
Brad
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From: Nguyen-Dai Quy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Tools for Linux Hard disk duplication ?
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:13:24 +0200
James Yu wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Does anyone know any tool that I can use to duplicate my Linux hard disk
> ?
> I need to duplicate the hard disk of my Linux box running Redhat 5.2 to
> 3 different brand hard disks. The size of the hard disk can be the same
> or
> different. I want to duplicate the disk and plug them into three
> machines, each with
> the same hardware configuration (same hardware cards, CPU, mother
> boards)
> except the hard disk, and run it right after I power on. This means the
> boot
> sector needs to be duplicated too. Any idea ?
>
> Thanks
>
> James
For me, I have to deplace mon linux RH-5.2 from old HDD to new HDD.
After do partitions with fdisk (linux) I formated Linux native partition
by using mke2fs and mounted under /mnt/newhdd; Linux swap partition by
mkswap...
Then I copied all (cp -a ) from / (old HDD) to /mnt/newhdd (but not /mnt
!!!!)
I use Loadlin for booting and I have to also modify some parameters for
this.
That's all, it works now with new HDD.
By this way I think you can do many copie of your Linux box, isn't it ?
HTH.
--
NGUYEN-DAI Quy
LTAS-M�canique de la Rupture des Solides, Universit� de Li�ge
Rue Ernest Solvay 21, B�t C3, B-4000, Li�ge, Belgique.
T�l:+32-4-3669241 (bureau) 3491529 (domicile) Fax:+32-4-3669311
http://ltas18.ltas.ulg.ac.be/~quy
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From: Stu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What has happened to www.linuxhq.com
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:30:43 +0100
I would do, but that seems inaccessible aswell !!
"J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)" wrote:
> Ralph Blach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >what has happened to www.linuxhq.com?
>
> Read all about it at its new home http://www.kernelnotes.org/ .
>
> HTH,
> Ray
> --
> J.H.M. Dassen | RUMOUR Believe all you hear. Your world may
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] | not be a better one than the one the blocks
> | live in but it'll be a sight more vivid.
> | - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan
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From: Dragos STOICHITA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: gcc: Warning! [object] may be crobbled by longjmp or vfork
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:23:28 +0200
Hi,
I am compiling KDE 1.1.1 on a HPPA 1.1 platform running HPUX.
I know I am posting in a linux forum, but I also have linux at home,
and I think my problem is related to the compiler, and not to the
platform.
The compilation finishes successfully, but GCC outputs at a ton of
warnings, of
the same type. For nearly every line in the source it says:
Warning! [object] may be crobbled by longjmp or vfork
I have been looking for the explanation in the info page and on the net
at least for 4 hours, but I didn't find anything.
I really need an answer, so if you know anything about this message, and
what
makes the message appear please tell me about it.
I think the problem is general, and I think it happens only in special
cases,
and I got this message at least two thousand times when I compile KDE,
so I
think it's my fault, because at home it does not show it.
If you think I did not give enough detail about the problem tell me and
I
would reply with more of it.
Thanks.
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From: "Robert Gusek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Problem booting from hard disk
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 08:35:29 -0500
Stefano Ghirlanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >----
> >Not found any [active partition] in HDD
> >DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK ...
> >----
>
> I think some BIOS can mark partitions as active/inactive, and one cannot
> boot from inactive ones. You may look in your BIOS setup menu if there is
> such an option.
>
Actually you can set the partition whether it's bootable or not from the
FDISK or Disk Druid utility. Another thing you may want to check is that
the partition that is active is your first one on the hard drive. Some
older BIOSes will only let you boot from the first partition.
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From: Kevin Turnquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tape Backup causing lockup
Date: 26 May 1999 12:29:34 GMT
Robert Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <7ie5t2$o1e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: Kevin Turnquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: : I'm experiencing strange tape drive behavior on one of my machines.
: : It doesn't seem to matter which kernel is involved, but when the tape
: :gets to backing up anything in the /lib directory, the machine locks
: :instantly. No time for an error message on screen or in logs...
: Odds are it's not /lib but /proc/kcore that's causing the lockup.
: You should not be backing up /proc. Some machines have memory mapped
: I/O addresses that will cause a lockup if you read from that address
: without doing the proper preparation.
I am excluding /proc from the backup already. The little tar frontend I
use for backups logs its progress, and it now to be stopping before
"libc.so.5.4.46" which makes me think its time to re-install the binary.
It seems to backup the lib.so.4, then dies. I just wasn't sure if it was
a file in /lib or something else.
--
Kevin Turnquist
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gcc: Warning! [object] may be crobbled by longjmp or vfork
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:41:54 +0100
On Wed, 26 May 1999, Dragos STOICHITA wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am compiling KDE 1.1.1 on a HPPA 1.1 platform running HPUX.
> I know I am posting in a linux forum, but I also have linux at home,
> and I think my problem is related to the compiler, and not to the
> platform.
> The compilation finishes successfully, but GCC outputs at a ton of
> warnings, of
> the same type. For nearly every line in the source it says:
>
> Warning! [object] may be crobbled by longjmp or vfork
This may be related to exceptions... What version of gcc are you using?
It is recommended that you use egcs for C++ code.
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Problem booting from hard disk
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:56:48 GMT
Hi,
We have been using slackware on pentium PC's - scsi (4GB-19GB)
/ 386/486 - ide (500MB) without any 'problems', for the last few years.
Now I am trying to install Linux on a Pentium 166 (5GB IDE drive,
LBA mode) , which installs OK, but on booting off from the hard disk
the system hangs with the following error.
----
Not found any [active partition] in HDD
DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK ...
----
I have reinstalled linux a few times, even tried different
distribution of Linux (slackware 4.0 and Redhat 6.0) - but with the same
result.
Booting is done with LILO and my root (/) partition
is well within the 1024 cylinders mark (/ is on /dev/hda1 which
occupies the first 26 (total cylinders = 623 [LBA mode]) cylinders
of my ide disk). Master Boot Record in /dev/hda and first sector
of my boot partition in /dev/hda1.
Spec of my machine:-
Pentium 166
Hard disk setup: LBA, UDMA2 5130MB # Quantum Fireball IDE drive
CDROM setup: CDROM, Mode 4 # SAMSUNG SCR-3231
CHS values: 623/255/63
I have seen similar problems reported in this newsgroup, but none of the
solution suggested seems to work for me.
I would be grateful to hear from those who have had similar problem
and suggestions as how I might 'fix' this problem.
Thanks in advance
krishan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gilles Pelletier)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: AutoInstall is for experts, not beginners!!!
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:10:45 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gilles Pelletier) �crivait/wrote:
>>This is dramatically inaccurate, I'm afraid. 2.1 moved from 'frozen' to
>>'stable' in March; 2.2 should be frozen pretty soon now.
>
>Oups! I guess I got this wrong. Usually, if the second figure is odd,
>it's a development version. How come it's not the case with Debian?
Oups again! Before (I hope) the whole world gives me a clear
explanation on this one: I inanely got confused by Debian's version
closely following the kernel.
GP
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From: Kai Schnabel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Rosemeier Termin
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:53:38 +0200
Hi Walter,
Herr Rosemeier rief gerade noch mal an.
Am 16.6. ist er nicht da. Ihr hattet den 30.6.99 ausgemacht (13-15h),
steht auch bei mir so im Kalender.
Gruss Kai
--
Kai P. Schnabel ([EMAIL PROTECTED])| Reformstudiengang Medizin,
http://www.charite.de/rv/reform/ | Humboldt Universitaet zu
Berlin
Tel.: +49 30 450-76112 FAX: -76912 | *Linux for IQs higher than
95*
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From: Peter Herttrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware,alt.linux.slakware,alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: SlackWare 4.0 ISO available!
Date: 26 May 1999 12:54:32 GMT
In alt.os.linux.slackware discussion group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ftp://news.cwnet.com/hidden/sw40.iso
nothing found there :-[
--
_____________________________________________________________________________
Microsoft has been doing a really bad job on their OS.
Linus Torvalds
_____________________________________________________________________________
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Georg Schwarz)
Subject: boot diskette for PS/2 (MCA, ESDI...) ?
Date: 26 May 1999 12:15:05 GMT
I'm looking for a boot diskette and maybe root diskette for booting a PS/2
with ESDI and MCA, ideally with ethernet support. It should work with
little RAM (say 2 MB). Do such disk images exist already?
--
Georg Schwarz ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP 2.6ui)
Institut f�r Theoretische Physik +49 30 314-24254 FAX -21130 IRC kuroi
Technische Universit�t Berlin http://home.pages.de/~schwarz/
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