Linux-Misc Digest #355, Volume #24 Wed, 3 May 00 23:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux woes (Compaq for one) on the horizon ("Pencil Necked Geek")
Re: LILO doesn't like my 10G hard drive (Neil Koozer)
intranet (wally)
Re: "tail" stops tailing? (Zen Sorcerer)
Re: The Best Man Page in the Internet? (Peter Kerr)
Re: Any distro that supports UDMA66 out of the box? (me)
Bus Error starting Netscape (lowboy)
Re: intranet ("Buck Turgidson")
Re: oldest linux box? ("Buck Turgidson")
Re: XDM problem on Red Hat 6.1 (ljb)
Re: Can I obtain config-settings from a kernel RPM? (ground zero)
Re: Restricting Telnet Access ("Buck Turgidson")
Re: Suse Linux & W2K ("Michael Henderson")
Re: Internet connection (Steve)
Re: Restricting Telnet Access (Matthew Gatto)
Re: Suse Linux & W2K (Dances With Crows)
Re: LinuxRouter doesn't boot!! (Azfar Kazmi)
Re: ViaVoice ("Shan J. Gill")
Remove Corel Linux Boot Loader???? ("Scott Preston")
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From: "Pencil Necked Geek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux woes (Compaq for one) on the horizon
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 19:15:20 -0500
Reply-To: "Pencil Necked Geek" <.>
Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8en9mi$ime$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I understand your frustration. The Compaq comes with a weird
> Windows which will not work on another computer. If I am not
> mistaken, the installation of windows is not done in the "normal"
> way - it's done using a "refresh" or "restore" disk which adds a
> whole lot of other software as well as the drivers for keyboard,
> modem ect - usually a huge install (takes FOREVER) because of all
> the shit they add.
I support Compaq Deskpros at work, and they suck major ass. Very flaky.
The install off their so-called restore CD usually installs with a corrupt
shell, and we just end up ghosting them anyway afterwards.
If you put a 3Com NIC in them, and try to put a boot password on it (SOP
where I work), all the keyboard leds flash, and the keyboard doesn't work.
All the hardware we put in that did not come from the vendor usually chokes
and dies either right off the bat, or in a couple of weeks. They're trash.
And their website sucks even bigger ass, all the documentation is in
*arrrrgh* PDF files.
Even up to a couple of years ago, they were making PCs with this weird
quasi-disk based bios, where you couldn't modify the bios without a special
set of floppies. I'm not sure where the bios actually lived, or if it was
on the floppies themselves, but one of the older ones we had at work doesn't
have a "real bios", it has this gross thing that looks like Win 3.1, in all
its VGA glory, which is a point and click setup with all these cutesy
graphics. They still use some strange proprietary bios.
If you run defrag in Win98, and show the details (I'm at work watching one
go right now, whee!), it has this gigantic block of unmovable system files
right up at the beginning. I don't know what these are, I've never worked
on one of these until a couple of months ago when I started working here.
Now I'm curious, so I guess I'll have to do some poking around for some more
info on these "freaks of the PC world".
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From: Neil Koozer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: LILO doesn't like my 10G hard drive
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:21:29 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I'm a semi-newbie to RedHat Linux - I installed it once a couple of
> years ago, back when my hard drive was too small to matter. I tried
> again a few days ago with RedHat 6.2 Linux. This time it was going
> onto a 10G drive, which is the slave drive on the first IDE cable (the
> master drive is for Win95 - this'll be a dual boot system).
> The machine itself is a circa-1996 Gateway P-166.
>
> After reading the Large Hard Drive HOWTO, but before installing Linux,
> I went into my BIOS and disabled the auto-HDD-recognition feature of my
> BIOS for the 10G drive. When I installed Linux, it correctly
> identified the geometry and size of the 10G drive and installed without
> a hitch.
"L 01 01 01..." usually means you are above cyl 1024 or you are on the
secondary interface. Neither of these are likely since you said its on
the primary, and both RedHat and lilo complain if you attempt to install
above 1024.
When you disabled the auto-detection in the bios, did you specify the
drive manually? If it is listed as "none", the drive will still be
found by operating systems but not by the bios. This would cause a "L
01 01 01..." result.
> Problem is, when the computer starts, it beeps, and starts
> displaying "01 01 01 01 01 01 01..." non-stop. The only way I can
> successfully boot is off the Linux boot disk RedHat prompted me to make
> during the installation process. (to boot into Windows, I had to
> FDISK /MBR).
>
> I read that there was a newer version of LILO than what came with
> RedHat 6.2, so I downloaded, compiled, and installed it. I added the
> directive "lba32" to my /etc/lilo.conf file. (as suggested by
> http://www.deja.com/threadmsg_ct.xp?AN=610248036) However, that seemed
> to make no difference.
The newer lilo with "lba32" will probably have no effect on a 1996
machine. This new feature takes advantage of exteded bios functions to
enable booting above cyl 1024, but I'm fairly sure that you're below
1024 anyway.
> In fact, the only variation I've gotten is if I go back to my bios and
> re-enable the auto-HDD-detection for the 10G drive. When I restart the
> computer, I get simply "LI", with nothing else.
This is an improvement. It proves the bios is reading something from
the drive, but from the wrong location. At this point you should have
re-installed LILO by executing the 'lilo' command.
> Is my computer/BIOS too old to handle a drive this size? What are my
> options (well, other than get a newer machine, and preferably other
> than continue to boot off the floppy, though that DOES work...)
The computer is not too old. I've done it with machines so old that
they don't even have a bios setup routine.
(1) With your bios still set to 'auto', go into Linux and run lilo. (and
reboot)
(2) If that didn't do it, try the linear mode by executing 'lilo -l'
(that's a lower case L). If that works put a 'linear' line in your
/etc/lilo.conf.
(3) Try the nuni boot loader (which I wrote:). It avoids bios problems
by not using the bios. It can boot from anyplace up to 137gb on any IDE
drive, including drives attached to add-on cards such as ata66 cards.
It can be downloaded from
ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/boot/loaders/
Neil.
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From: wally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: intranet
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 00:30:09 GMT
My apache is working properly.
But how do i get my browser on my win95/winnt client
connect to the server?
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From: Zen Sorcerer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "tail" stops tailing?
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 00:30:10 GMT
Run tail this way:
tail --follow=name --retry /var/log/messages
Zen
Matt Siemens wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Here's what I'm trying to do:
>
> I'm using tail to output the system log (/var/log/messages) to
> /dev/tty12 via the /etc/rc.d/rc.local startup script. I'm using the
> command "tail -f /var/log/messages >/dev/tty12 &" which outputs the
> system log to tty12 nicely and everything seems to work fine for a few
> days... But eventually what always happens is that the tail command
> stops tailing the log file. If I hit ALT-F12 to look at the log, the
> last date displayed will be from a few days ago and tail stops tailing
> the log until I kill it and run it again. Why does this happen?? Is
> there a better way to do this, other than using tail?
>
> Any info on this would be very much appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> --Matt
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Kerr)
Subject: Re: The Best Man Page in the Internet?
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:19:30 +1200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger Blake) wrote:
> On Wed, 03 May 2000 15:10:03 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I'll frequently need to look up man page while surfing. Would you mind
>
> I don't understand. What does "surfing" have to do with computers or linux?
> Why would you even be thinking of man pages while on a surfboard?
Hehe, does he mean the opposite of girl pages ;-)
--
Peter Kerr proficiency in vi
School of Music is a sign of a
University of Auckland mis-spent youth
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From: me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Any distro that supports UDMA66 out of the box?
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:36:30 +1200
Allen Ashley wrote:
>
> I plan to install linux on a friends newly purchased machine. My
> version of linux is too old to support the newer disk drives. Is
> there any current distribution that supports DMA66?
>
> TIA
Yes. SuSE 6.3 and 6.4 do.
You can probably get their patched kernels from their ftp site (it is
called lx_suse.rpm or something like that)
--
Never trust a man in a suit --
cll
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From: lowboy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Bus Error starting Netscape
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 20:46:03 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Whenever starting Netscape 4.51 or 4.72 on Suse 6.4 it crashes with a
bus error. This happens with any user other than root. Netscape runs
with no problem as root. Any one have any suggestions??????
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From: "Buck Turgidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: intranet
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 00:49:12 GMT
Assuming you're all connected and can ping your server from windows, you
should be able to just put
http://myhost.mydomain.com
into the URL line on the browser, substituting, obviously, your values for
myhost.mydomain. You should also be able to use the IP address of the
server.
To verify apache is listening on port 80, you can, on the linux server, type
"telnet localhost 80". It should respond with some messages, the last one
saying "Escape character is..." etc.
wally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> My apache is working properly.
> But how do i get my browser on my win95/winnt client
> connect to the server?
>
> --
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> http://www.help.com/
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From: "Buck Turgidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: oldest linux box?
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 00:52:29 GMT
I've got Oracle 8.0.5, apache, and samba running on a Pentium 90, which is
almost 6 years old. Runs better than my new Windows box, which I have to
reboot every day.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8eq8o9$2o4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Just curious, what's the oldest linux box that folks have these days?
>
> --
> http://www.nethole.com
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ljb)
Subject: Re: XDM problem on Red Hat 6.1
Date: 4 May 2000 01:08:45 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>My Reflection X 7.1 fails to connect to the the server installed with
>Red Hat 6.1. I've already replecaed line "x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm
>-nodaemon" with "x:5:respawn:/usr/X11R6/bin/xdm -nodaemon" and
>"id:3:initdefault" with "id:5:initdefault" in /etc/inittab" as what I
>did on Red Hat 6.0. But it still doesn't work. I get a message "The
>specified XDM host is unwilling to manage" when I use Direct Connect
>method to connect.
The changes you made should bring up xdm on the console. If not, fix that
first. Then you need to check /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess and make sure it allows
"direct" connections from your Reflection system. "Unwilling to manage"
usually means Xaccess isn't allowing the connection. You will need a line
with just your PC's hostname (or *).
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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 20:10:03 -0500
From: ground zero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can I obtain config-settings from a kernel RPM?
Here's a site I found that answered most of my kernel questions during my
efforts at recompiling the RH 6.2 kernel.
http://math-www.uni-paderborn.de/~axel/config_help.html
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I managed to install the 2.2.13 (or something like that) kernel from
> an RPM, and *WHEW* it worked.
> If I ever needed to recompile the kernel though, is there a way that
> I can base responses to xconfig or menuconfig from that RPM package?
> I don't want to disable stuff that works now
>
> Somehow going thru xconfig (with experimental stuff enabled) I can't
> get it to make bzImage or zImage, I always get an Error 1 or Error 2.
> I think some of my responses are causing it to fail, and I am afraid
> to lose something or break it.
>
> Any help would be appreciated
>
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From: "Buck Turgidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Restricting Telnet Access
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 01:39:41 GMT
If you want to restrict someone to their home directory, would samba work
for you? Obviously, they wouldn't be able to enter OS commands, but they
would have access to their files.
Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8eppes$9hd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Could anyone please tell me how I can allow a user to ONLY access his home
> directory and whatever subpaths there are and nothing else? I am running
> RedHat 6.0.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Brian
>
>
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From: "Michael Henderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Suse Linux & W2K
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:47:01 -0400
If I do that, then what partition should be on the first partition (NTFS,
FAT16, FAT32)?
Thanks,
Michael
"Sam E. Trenholme" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8eq43a$ck3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >I would like to dual boot between Windows 2000 Professional and Suse
Linux
> >6.4.
>
> The way I did this with NT server 4 and RedHat 6.2 at work is as follows:
>
> 1. Install NT, partitioniting it to leave plenty of room for Linux.
>
> 2. Install RedHat, placing LILO on the master boot record
>
> - Sam
> --
> Go to http://www.hoohahrecords.com/rap for information on the Bohemian RAP
CD
> Go to http://samiam.org/cgi-bin/mailme to get my email address
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Internet connection
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 4 May 2000 01:46:10 GMT
Please don't post in HTML.
Try the ADSL HOWTO it's in the /usr/doc/HOWTO/mini/ directory
on my distro, and in the following places, and the sites that
mirror them.
* ftp.funet.fi : /pub/OS/Linux/doc/HOWTO
* tsx-11.mit.edu : /pub/linux/docs/HOWTO
* metalab.unc.edu : /pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO
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Cheers
Steve email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
%HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
web http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~sjlen/
or http://start.at/zero-pps
12:56am up 7 days, 2:57, 3 users, load average: 1.14, 1.08, 1.02
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Gatto)
Subject: Re: Restricting Telnet Access
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 02:14:07 GMT
I've thought about this before. The best way is to give them a
restricted shell (check the download tomes) that doesnt allow them the
following commands a normal shell would like : cd, chsh
( :} ), redirections ( > < ), or changing their environment. this is the
most secure way. but, of course, they cant go to subdirectories as a
result. The other nice thing is you set their path (and they cant
change it) to hand-picked programs.
This can be a little much though if you just want to keep them from
going above they're home directory. In that case you could make a
chroot'd home directory, which is some work though, since; you need to
recreate the directory structure for any config files or other things
that the programs youll be sticking in there need. Theres books on this
though.
One last idea, and i dont know how well it would work.. is to make a
group called.. nusers, put all the users in this group except for the
ones restricted to their own home directory, chgrp the home directory
to be nusers, then remove world read/execute permissions for the home
directory. this seems unreliable though, since, (given no PATH
restrictions) theyll be using commands that interact with other areas
of the system they dont access to, leaving many holes.
my 2 cents.
On Wed, 3 May 2000 12:00:37 -0600, Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Could anyone please tell me how I can allow a user to ONLY access his home
>directory and whatever subpaths there are and nothing else? I am running
>RedHat 6.0.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Brian
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Suse Linux & W2K
Date: 03 May 2000 22:30:49 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 3 May 2000 18:47:01 -0400, Michael Henderson
<<%_1Q4.3095$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
shouted forth into the ether:
>I would like to dual boot between Windows 2000 Professional and Suse 6.4
>If I do that, then what partition should be on the first partition (NTFS,
>FAT16, FAT32)?
Depends on what you want. If you want the improved filesystem security
features, go with NTFS. If you want to be sure Linux can read and write
to the partition where Lose2K is, FAT32. LILO does not care about
filesystem types. When it loads a non-Linux OS, it constructs a
pseudo-MBR and passes the info gained from that to the bootsector of the
non-Linux partition, which takes over and does whatever it does to get the
other OS started. (At least, this is how I understand it; I may have
messed something up in my explanation!)
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Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid,
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| as I have to run nothing but a
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| burp in the butt. --MegaHAL
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From: Azfar Kazmi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LinuxRouter doesn't boot!!
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 02:26:25 GMT
Thanks. I thought so. I would now try to do it on either DOS or Win95/8.
--
Azfar
In article <8eq479$cnc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam E. Trenholme) wrote:
> >I downloaded linuxrouter's idiot_image-2.9.3 and rawrote to two
> >floppies from my NT box. The problem is: neither of these floppies
> >boot?? Any tips? I used both rawrite2 and rawrite3 but no success.
>
> I know NT doesn't like Rawrite. Some tips:
>
> * If the floppies are unformatted, format them before rawriting them
>
> * Last time I looked, NT refused to allow rawrite to write to a
floppy.
> make the floopies with rawrite in DOS or Win95/98, or with dd in
Linux.
>
> - Sam
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From: "Shan J. Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ViaVoice
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:52:04 -0700
I was doing some testing as a contractor, and had occasion to test ViaVoice
for Win98. I found it to be in the 90%+ (around 92 - 94%) accuracy range,
after a couple-hour session of training it. I think that could even be
improved upon with more training.
I found that the longer the time spent 'training' the recognition software,
the better it performed. Speaking somewhat slowly and very deliberately is
required.
Not sure if that helps, as I don't know how much ViaVoice changed between
the Win98 and Millennium editions, or if any significant changes occurred.
Shan
John Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I have just finished installing IBM's ViaVoice SDK for linux and am
> running it with xvoice. I find the accuracy on the dictation is
> appalling, and there is no way to train the algorithm under Linux.
> The cureadme.txt explains how to transfer user speech files from
> ViaVoice Millenium under windows where you can do the training into
> Linux for use with the SDK. I am wondering if anyone has done this
> and to what extent the accuracy improves.
>
> Or even if you haven't done the transfer to Linux, can anyone speak to
> the quality of the dictation of trained speech files from the
> Millenium windows edition?
>
> Thanks,
> John Hunter
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From: "Scott Preston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Remove Corel Linux Boot Loader????
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 23:04:48 -0400
Any one know how to remove the corel linux boot loader (I dont have a win 98
boot disk to run fdisk)...
Thanks,
Scott
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