Linux-Misc Digest #490, Volume #20 Fri, 4 Jun 99 07:13:12 EDT
Contents:
Re: Dumped Redhat like a stale girlfriend...SuSE is for me (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Re: Dumped Redhat like a stale girlfriend...SuSE is for me (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Internet Disaster Policy and Hacker Attacks ("Joseph Tiraco")
Re: Help with crontab (Theo Lutgerink)
Re: App question - psnup (Angus Duggan)
Linux + BeOS + Windows (Aureliano Buendia)
Re: rpm not working (mike murray)
Re: NT the best web platform? (Glenn Davies)
Re: Dumped Redhat like a stale girlfriend...SuSE is for me (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Re: Help with crontab (Vitali Chkebelski)
Re: Journaled filesystem for Linux ? (Oracle) (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
MicrogarfX Designer 4.1 (Martin Schreck)
Re: Get my Linux box on Net!!!!!!! - PPP problems (paul lewis)
Re: How to edit a file in /proc (Mihaly Gyulai)
Re: Help with crontab (Barry Margolin)
Re: Test your knowledge of Linux at new site!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Subject: Re: Dumped Redhat like a stale girlfriend...SuSE is for me
Date: 4 Jun 1999 09:23:18 GMT
Frank Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 2 Jun 1999 15:25:13 GMT, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>} Last time I checked, YaST (SuSE's setup utility) wasn't free software,
>} which prevents folks like CheapBytes from offing affordable CDs.
>
>Cheapbytes doesn't have $2 SuSE CDs, but Linux Central and Linux Mall
>both do. YAST is free.
Quoting ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/README.mirror-policy (dated May 31st 1999):
:- SuSE Linux (YaST in particular) may not be reproduced on CDs
: or other media FOR PROFIT. Reproduction for personal
: or educational use is explicitly allowed.
So either Linux Central and Linux Mall are not making profits on their SuSE
CDs, or they've made arrangements with SuSE, or they're violating licenses.
In any case, this means YaST is not free software.
>They started with Slackware's install program and made YAST out of it, so
>they don't have any choice of making it free.
While Slackware's install program presumably is free software (I haven't
checked its licensing terms), this isn't a straightforward implication. Some
free software licenses prevent derived proprietary works (e.g. GPL and LGPL;
and to some degree MPL), others don't (public domain, BSD or MIT style
licenses).
Ray
--
LEADERSHIP A form of self-preservation exhibited by people with auto-
destructive imaginations in order to ensure that when it comes to the crunch
it'll be someone else's bones which go crack and not their own.
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Subject: Re: Dumped Redhat like a stale girlfriend...SuSE is for me
Date: 3 Jun 1999 07:59:55 GMT
User941444 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hmmm, are we all using Linux, or different versions. I mean, if I use Red
>hat or slackware, once installed is there actually a difference or just in
>the installation package.
Disregarding the difference in what you can install (which varies greatly
between distributions), there are differences in the installed system.
Differences in upgradability, level of integration (e.g. if you install an
additional package, does your distribution update your window manager's
menus? if you install a viewer package, does your distribution update your
mailcap? if you try to remove a library that an application uses, what
happens).
>I doubt having several differnet, similar verions of one product is going
>to help Linux overtake Windows in the desktop market. I think users like
>standardization, i do ?
Standardisation is important, but quality is more important. Linux
distributions to some degree appeal to different markets, but there is
significant overlap. In that overlap area, healthy free software market
competition is encouraging improvements.
Ray
--
POPULATION EXPLOSION Unique in human experience, an event which happened
yesterday but which everyone swears won't happen until tomorrow.
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan
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From: "Joseph Tiraco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Internet Disaster Policy and Hacker Attacks
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 08:01:11 GMT
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Theo Lutgerink)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Help with crontab
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 19:28:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>I have an entry in my crontab it reads "1 * * * *
>/usr/local/bin/netmrtg" and crond is running. Hoever this entry does
>not seem to execute. I am trying to run a script every minute.
There's a way to run something periodically, and still use your shell
for all kind of stuff.
I had it put in:
http://expect.nist.gov/scripts/timeout-monitor
The first line of this script is to be determined by the result of
which expect
Good luck
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From: Angus Duggan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.text.tex,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: App question - psnup
Date: 03 Jun 1999 10:23:04 -0700
"James Surles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I apologize for the cross-posting, and I also apologize if this is off topic
> in any of the newsgroups I post this in.
...
> I think the command line
>
> psnup -w11in -h8.5in -4 infile.ps outfile.ps
>
> should accomplish this, but it cuts the tops and bottoms of the slides off
> when they are reproduced. Can anyone tell me the proper set of command line
> parameters to do what I'm trying to do?
You need to use the -p and -P options (or -w/-W -h/-H options) in patchlevel
1.17 to specify both the input and output sizes separately. You probably
still want to output on 8.5 x 11, even though input in 11 x 8.5.
a.
--
Angus Duggan, Harlequin Inc, 1201 Third Ave, | DVI/VPLUtils, moreverb,
Suite 2380, Seattle, WA 98101, U.S.A. | PBMtoPK, PKtoPBM from:
http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/ajcd/ | ftp.dcs.ed.ac.uk:pub/ajcd
http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~ajcd/ | ftp.tardis.ed.ac.uk:users/ajcd
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aureliano Buendia)
Subject: Linux + BeOS + Windows
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:43:26 +0400
Is it possible to have all three on the same box?
I currently have a dual-boot system with Windows and Linux residing on
separate hard-drives.
Here's my present lilo.conf
boot = /dev/hda
timeout = 50
prompt
default = dos
vga = normal
read-only
map=/boot/map
install=/boot/boot.b
image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.0.36-0.7
label = old
root = /dev/hdc6
image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.6-new
label = linux
root = /dev/hdc6
other = /dev/hda1
label = dos
table=/dev/hda
I want to add a BeOS dedicated partition to the HDD where Windows
currently is. I guess I will have to make it with Partition Magic (BTW,
what file system shall I apply?).
What then? Run the setup program from the BeOS CD? Or tweak my lilo.conf
to include something like:
other = /dev/hda2
label = beos
table=/dev/hda2
Thanks for your hints.
Aureliano
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From: mike murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: rpm not working
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 04:35:49 -0500
NEWS wrote:
> How does one install the following RPM: exmh......src.rpm? When I use
> rpm -i exmh...., I get a return but nothing else -- no comments, no new
> files, no error message.
Maybe it installed... I use rpm -ih exmh...scr.rpm
(as it installs it prints 50 hash marks to mark the progress)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Glenn Davies)
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 08:22:21 GMT
On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:23:54 -0700, "Chad Mulligan"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Ken Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <1sg53.638$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Mulligan"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > Essentially, hobbyists don't have the discipline to do it properly.
>For
>> >> > examples look at Disk Druid, and RH 6.0.
>> >>
>> >> And that makes Linux unprofessional?
>> >>
>> >> Thomas
>> >>
>> >In a word. Yes! Leaving a bug in a recommended installer program that
>will
>> >destroy data is UNPROFESSIONAL!
>>
>> Exactly, just like Microsoft knows Access97 has a horrid data destorying
>bug
>> in it and barely did anything in the begginning when it was discovered. I
>> lost a weeks worth of data because of it. Microsoft is just as
>unprofessional
>> as Linux.
>
>And which bug is this? I personally don't like the MDB type database file
>system, it's kind of like placing all your eggs in one basket, and I've been
>bitten by that one. I use dBase files when working with Access more often
>than not. BTW the DD bug destroys whole hard drives not mere database files.
>
Oh it was a good one, been around for years. Apperantly the combo box
and recordset indicie would get out of sync if a record was deleted
and another was edited. The edits would overwrite the wrong record. At
first MS said it was only in Access 97, they admitted it was in older
versions on Access and then finally that the problem was in the Jet
engine itself but never fear for your data integrety because MS's
response was:
"It really would be something that would be more typical of a power
user," said John Duncan, an Office product manager.
I guess that makes MS non-professional in your books too.
----
Glenn Davies
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Subject: Re: Dumped Redhat like a stale girlfriend...SuSE is for me
Date: 3 Jun 1999 08:12:51 GMT
[Please learn to quote. I've taken the libertity of cutting down to what you
seem to object to]
Paul Rowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote:
>> In any case, SuSE is IMO much more commercial than Red Hat. Red Hat's
>> core system is free software; cheap CDs of it are available, and Red Hat
>> contributes quite directly to free software development. Last time I
>> checked, YaST (SuSE's setup utility) wasn't free software, which prevents
>> folks like CheapBytes from offing affordable CDs.
>I thought we were all usin' Linux!!!!!! Getta Grep!!!
I already have a grep, thank you.
Although many people seem to want to ignore it, the success of Linux is
grounded in its nature as free software
(http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/philosophy.html ,
http://www.debian.org/intro/free). It is my strong believe that the
continued success of Linux (if you will, the GNU/Linux/BSD/X operating
environment) depends on embracing, rather than ignoring its free software
nature. I am acting on that belief by contributing to the development of a
Linux distribution that is dedicated (http://www.debian.org/social_contract)
to free software.
>From this belief, I have a healthy disrepect for attempts to take
away freedom in the core parts of the operating environment, such as
libraries and package management/configuration tools.
Ray
--
POPULATION EXPLOSION Unique in human experience, an event which happened
yesterday but which everyone swears won't happen until tomorrow.
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan
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From: Vitali Chkebelski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Help with crontab
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 11:57:11 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On 1999-06-03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> >I have an entry in my crontab it reads "1 * * * *
> >/usr/local/bin/netmrtg" and crond is running. Hoever this entry
> >does not seem to execute. I am trying to run a script every minute.
> >This is the first time I have tried to put cron to use. Is there
> >anything wrong with the syntax for having this run every minute?
> >How can I debug why it does not appear to run at all. Thank you in
> >advance for any help, and a cc in email would be greatly appreciated
>
> This will run on the first minute of every hour. To run a script every
> minute, it's probably better to write the script as a loop with "sleep 60"
> and perhaps a crontab every hour or so to test whether your script is
> still running.
>
> Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive
Under LINUX works also "*/1 * * * * /usr/local/bin/netmrtg".
It means every minute.
Vitali Chkebelski
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Subject: Re: Journaled filesystem for Linux ? (Oracle)
Date: 4 Jun 1999 09:56:09 GMT
Anton Dischner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>we'd like to run a Oracle database on a production system with Linux.
>Unfortunately tests had shown that a power failure will destroy the
>database.
Using the sync option (see mount(8)) may reduce the risk of data corruption
due to power failures.
Another option would be to use an uninteruptable power suply for the system.
>There are rumors that Oracle for Linux 8.0.5 isn't correctly
>coded (no fsync at the right time).
>A journaled filesystem would be a solution.
At the moment, there is no journaled filesystem for Linux. SGI has announced
it will release the code for XFS under an Open Source license (see
http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-1999-05/lw-05-sgi.html), and the
kernel developers are planning an "ext3" filesystem which may have
journalling capabilities.
HTH,
Ray
--
LEADERSHIP A form of self-preservation exhibited by people with auto-
destructive imaginations in order to ensure that when it comes to the crunch
it'll be someone else's bones which go crack and not their own.
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan
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From: Martin Schreck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: MicrogarfX Designer 4.1
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 18:51:42 +0900
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello, does anybody knbow a program which can read MicrografX Designer
files
from the Windows 3.1 Version oft that Programm?
I used to use it under Windows and now under Linux I can't read my old
Files The DOS File extension is.
*.ds4
Cheers
Martin
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From: paul lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.dial-up,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,at.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Get my Linux box on Net!!!!!!! - PPP problems
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 09:23:40 GMT
Go out and get XISP
a nice neat dailer for xwindows and linux
The RZA wrote:
> Help,
> please help me to further my 11 month love affair with Linux by getting my
> box on the Net. I have just finished University for the year and would
> really like to use linux to get upto speed in such things as Oracle 8, C++
> and Java. All this is being hampered because when I need Net info, I have to
> reboot in WINDOZE.
>
> I have a Diamond 56i ISA modem (NOT a winmodem). It will dial out O.K.
> (tested under minicom) but using the scripts I have knocked together the
> line just drops after 1-2 mins. HELP ME. I am desperate. Below is a sample
> of my /var/log/message file.
>
> P.S. Does anyone understand the expressions:-
> Not eight bit clean
> All 7th bit set to zero
>
> ?
>
> May 25 19:47:24 shiznit pppd[1084]: pppd 2.3.5 started by root, uid 0
> May 25 19:47:24 shiznit ifup-ppp: pppd started for ppp0 on /dev/ttyS2 at 38400
> May 25 19:47:25 shiznit chat[1086]: abort on (BUSY)
> May 25 19:47:25 shiznit chat[1086]: abort on (ERROR)
> May 25 19:47:25 shiznit chat[1086]: abort on (NO CARRIER)
> May 25 19:47:25 shiznit chat[1086]: abort on (NO DIALTONE)
> May 25 19:47:25 shiznit chat[1086]: abort on (Invalid Login)
> May 25 19:47:25 shiznit chat[1086]: abort on (Login incorrect)
> May 25 19:47:25 shiznit chat[1086]: send (AT&F2^M)
> May 25 19:47:25 shiznit chat[1086]: expect (OK)
> May 25 19:47:44 shiznit chat[1086]: AT&F2^M^M
> May 25 19:47:44 shiznit chat[1086]: OK
> May 25 19:47:44 shiznit chat[1086]: -- got it
> May 25 19:47:44 shiznit chat[1086]: send (ATDT*NUMBER*^M)
> May 25 19:47:44 shiznit chat[1086]: expect (CONNECT)
> May 25 19:47:44 shiznit chat[1086]: ^M
> May 25 19:48:24 shiznit chat[1086]: ATDT*NUMBER*^M
> May 25 19:48:24 shiznit chat[1086]: CONNECT
> May 25 19:48:24 shiznit chat[1086]: -- got it
> May 25 19:48:24 shiznit chat[1086]: send (^M)
> May 25 19:48:24 shiznit chat[1086]: timeout set to 3 seconds
> May 25 19:48:24 shiznit chat[1086]: timeout set to 60 seconds
> May 25 19:48:24 shiznit chat[1086]: expect (ogin:)
> May 25 19:48:53 shiznit kernel: PPP: ppp line discipline successfully unregistered
> May 25 19:48:54 shiznit chat[1086]: 38400^M*ISPname* Internet ********* POP ^M
> May 25 19:48:54 shiznit chat[1086]: ^M
> May 25 19:48:54 shiznit last message repeated 2 times
> May 25 19:49:04 shiznit chat[1086]: *ISPname* login:
> May 25 19:49:04 shiznit chat[1086]: -- got it
> May 25 19:49:04 shiznit chat[1086]: send (*myLogin*^M)
> May 25 19:49:04 shiznit chat[1086]: expect (assword:)
> May 25 19:49:04 shiznit chat[1086]: ^M
> May 25 19:49:24 shiznit chat[1086]: *ISPname* login: *myLogin*^M
> May 25 19:49:34 shiznit chat[1086]: Password:
> May 25 19:49:34 shiznit chat[1086]: -- got it
> May 25 19:49:34 shiznit chat[1086]: send (*myPassword*^M)
> May 25 19:49:34 shiznit chat[1086]: expect (ocol:)
> May 25 19:49:54 shiznit chat[1086]: ^M
> May 25 19:49:54 shiznit chat[1086]: protocol:
> May 25 19:49:54 shiznit chat[1086]: -- got it
> May 25 19:49:54 shiznit chat[1086]: send (ppp^M)
> May 25 19:49:54 shiznit chat[1086]: send (^M)
> May 25 19:49:54 shiznit pppd[1084]: Serial connection established.
> May 25 19:49:55 shiznit kernel: CSLIP: code copyright 1989 Regents of the University
>of California
> May 25 19:49:55 shiznit kernel: PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation)
> May 25 19:49:55 shiznit kernel: PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright 1995
>Caldera, Inc.
> May 25 19:49:55 shiznit kernel: PPP line discipline registered.
> May 25 19:50:04 shiznit kernel: registered device ppp0
> May 25 19:50:04 shiznit pppd[1084]: Using interface ppp0
> May 25 19:50:04 shiznit pppd[1084]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS2
> May 25 19:51:24 shiznit pppd[1084]: Modem hangup
> May 25 19:51:24 shiznit pppd[1084]: Connection terminated.
> May 25 19:51:25 shiznit pppd[1084]: Exit.
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From: Mihaly Gyulai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to edit a file in /proc
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 10:04:12 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Charly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I want to edit a file that stands in /proc ...
Why do you want to edit ? (I suppose to change something...)
I'm not an expert on this field, but as far as I know, the
files in /proc are existing in _memory only_ so they are
virtual files ! (therefore you can't edit them...)
You should go to other directory to change something...
--
Mihaly Gyulai
http://www.freeyellow.com/members5/gyulai/
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From: Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Help with crontab
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 19:56:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Nathan Crapo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have a script that I run every 5 minutes and I have used the syntax
>
>*/5 * * * * /usr/local/bin/blablalba
Note that only some versions of cron support the */<period> notation. The
message was posted to several comp.os.linux.* groups, so I assume that's
the flavor of cron he's using; I don't know offhand if it does, but even if
it does, this warning is helpful for those reading in comp.unix.*.
--
Barry Margolin, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GTE Internetworking, Powered by BBN, Burlington, MA
*** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups.
Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group.
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From: <@acepia.net.au>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: Test your knowledge of Linux at new site!
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:16:36 +1000
I was able to connect perfectly!
Ben Short <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > Dear Linux Administrator,
> >
> > We are currently beta testing our web-based 'Linux Administrator'
> > knowledge test. The format is multiple choice. To take the test,
> > simply go to http://www.tekmetrics.com/betapins.html. The rest should
> > be self-explanatory.
> >
> > Upon completion of the test, you will be scored 1-5 (1-Novice,
> > 2-Beginner, 3-Intermediate,
> > 4-Advanced and 5-Master) and be provided the percentile that you fell
> > into, based on the others
> > who took the test. The test is actually comprised of two tests of 16
> > questions each (that's two
> > chances to make the top ten!). Any feedback you can provide us on the
> > quality of the questions and
> > the test itself would be greatly appreciated. You will be given the
> > opportunity to provide feedback
> > on each question as it is administered as well as at the end of the
> > test.
> >
> > Any information you provide will be kept anonymous.
> >
> > If you have any problems getting to the site, or have any questions in
> > general, please feel free to
> > contact me. We hope that you enjoy the test and look forward to your
> > feedback!
> >
> > Also, feel free to try out any of the other beta tests while you're
> > there. Thanks in advance for your
> > help and good luck!
> >
> > Michael Littman
> > VP Operations
> > TekMetrics, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> I'll give you a 1, because when I tried to go to the site, I got a 404
> not found error ;)
>
> Ben
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