Linux-Misc Digest #490, Volume #24 Tue, 16 May 00 18:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Netscape RPM with strong encryption? ("David ..")
cant get to kde (josh)
Finding the status of a process (Doug Schulz)
Re: visual IRC client for Linux?! (EnEmA)
newbie's questions (John Cohen)
Re: can't access the floppy disk (Robie Basak)
Re: hosts.allow help ("David ..")
Ghostscript driver for Canon LBP-4i printer ? (Declan Mullen)
Re: cant get to kde (Marcel Pol)
Gdk-Error when running Netscape (Thieu)
compilation problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator ("Jamie Webb")
Re: naive question on programming Linux applications ("Jamie Webb")
Re: From Linux BACK to Win 98SE ("Jamie Webb")
Re: newbie's questions (Marcel Pol)
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape RPM with strong encryption?
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:11:13 -0500
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Richard wrote:
>
> Anyone know if netscape-communicator with strong encryption is
> available as RPM file? Redhat site doesn't give encryption level
> for netscape RPMs.
>
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If you are able to download the tar ball for the 128 encryption then you
can build your own with the following.
download navigator and communicator 4.73 tarball from netscapes web site
at:
http://www.netscape.com/download/unsupported.html
get the linux2.2 128 bit version for both communicator and navigator.
then move them into the /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/ directory.
download the netscape-4.72-6.src.rpm from redhat's ftp site.
rpm -i netscape-4.72-6.src.rpm
cp the attached spec file into /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/
cd /usr/src/SPECS/
rpm -bb netscape.spec
I made changes to the spec file to use the 4.73 tarball instead of the
4.72 tarball and build it as 4.73-1.rpm
I wasn't able to find out where the other netscape files included in the
source rpm were located to download them but it will still work for the
english version. If you find it doesn't work then you can always
reinstall the 4.72 rpm.
Works for me.
Best of luck
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Summary: A Web browser, news reader and e-mail client.
Name: netscape
Version: 4.73
Release: 1
Serial: 3
Copyright: Commercial
Group: Applications/Internet
Source0:
ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/english/4.73/unix/linux22/complete_install/communicator-v473-us.x86-unknown-linux2.2.tar.gz
Source1:
ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/english/4.73/unix/linux22/navigator_standalone/navigator-v473-us.x86-unknown-linux2.2.tar.gz
Source2: netscape.sh
Source3: netscape-communicator.desktop
Source4: netscape-navigator.desktop
Source5: bookmark.htm
Source10: nethelp-ja.tar.bz2
Source11: Netscape.ja.4.72.bz2
Source12: nethelp-es.tar.bz2
Source13: Netscape.es.4.72.bz2
Source14: nethelp-fr.tar.bz2
Source15: Netscape.fr.4.72.bz2
Source16: nethelp-de.tar.bz2
Source17: Netscape.de.4.72.bz2
Buildroot: /var/tmp/ns-root
Prefix: /usr
ExclusiveArch: i386
%description
Netscape Navigator is the industry-leading Web browser. It supports
the latest HTML standards, Java, JavaScript and some style sheets. It
also includes a full-featured Usenet news reader as well as a complete
e-mail client.
%package -n netscape-common
Requires: indexhtml
Obsoletes: nls
Summary: Files shared by the Netscape Navigator and Communicator.
Group: Applications/Internet
%description -n netscape-common
This package contains the files that are shared between the Netscape
Navigator Web browser and the Netscape Communicator suite of tools
(the Navigator Web browser, an e-mail client, a news reader and Web
page editor).
Install the netscape-common package if you're installing the
netscape-navigator and/or the netscape-communicator program.
%package -n netscape-communicator
Requires: netscape-common = %{version}
Provides: webclient
Summary: A Web browser, news reader and e-mail client.
Group: Applications/Internet
%description -n netscape-communicator
Netscape Communicator is a suite of tools including a Web browser, a
Usenet news reader and an e-mail client.
%package -n netscape-navigator
Requires: netscape-common = %{version}
Provides: webclient
Summary: The Netscape Navigator Web browser.
Group: Applications/Internet
%description -n netscape-navigator
Netscape Navigator is the industry-leading Web browser. It supports
the latest HTML standards, Java, JavaScript and some style sheets.
Information on the Netscape Navigator license may be found in the file
/usr/doc/netscape-common-%{version}/LICENSE.
This will install the basic Netscape Navigator Web browser.
If you want additional features, such as the Usenet news reader and
HTML editor, you should install the netscape-communicator package.
%prep
%setup -c -b 1
mv communic*/* .
rmdir communicator*
%install
rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/bin \
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/netscape/plugins \
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/netscape/java/classes
for I in *.nif; do
tar -C $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/netscape -xzvf $I
done
mv $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/netscape/netscape
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/netscape/netscape-communicator
cp -a vreg $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/netscape
cp -a *.jar $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/netscape/java/classes
echo 'Communicator,4.73.0.20000502,/usr/lib/netscape' > /tmp/infile
./vreg $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/netscape/registry /tmp/infile
rm -f /tmp/infile
# get the netscape-navigator binary now
tar xvzf %{SOURCE1} '*/netscape-v473.nif'
tar xvzf navigator*/netscape-v473.nif netscape
install -m 755 netscape $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/netscape/netscape-navigator
install -m755 $RPM_SOURCE_DIR/netscape.sh $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/bin/netscape
# put this stuff into the doc directory
mv $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/netscape/{LICENSE,README,Netscape.ad} .
mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/etc/X11/applnk/Internet
cp -av $RPM_SOURCE_DIR/netscape-communicator.desktop \
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/etc/X11/applnk/Internet/netscape-communicator.desktop
cp -av $RPM_SOURCE_DIR/netscape-navigator.desktop \
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/etc/X11/applnk/Internet/netscape-navigator.desktop
ln -s netscape $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/bin/netscape-navigator
ln -s netscape $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/bin/netscape-communicator
rm -f `find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -path "*dynMotif*"`
install -m 644 $RPM_SOURCE_DIR/bookmark.htm $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/netscape
# Do localization stuff
for locale in fr es ja de; do
mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/$locale/app-defaults
bunzip2 -c $RPM_SOURCE_DIR/Netscape.$locale.4.72.bz2 > \
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/$locale/app-defaults/Netscape
if [ -e $RPM_SOURCE_DIR/nethelp-$locale.tar.bz2 ]; then
mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/netscape/$locale
cd $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/netscape/$locale ; \
bunzip2 -c $RPM_SOURCE_DIR/nethelp-$locale.tar.bz2 | tar -xvvf -
fi
%ifarch sparc
pushd $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/$locale/app-defaults
perl -pi -e "s|4.72|4.51|g" Netscape
popd
%endif
done
ln -s ja $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/netscape/ja_JP.ujis
%clean
rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
%files -n netscape-common
%defattr(-,root,root)
/usr/bin/netscape
%dir /usr/lib/netscape
/usr/lib/netscape/*/nethelp
%doc README LICENSE Netscape.ad
/usr/lib/netscape/bookmark.htm
/usr/lib/netscape/java
/usr/lib/netscape/libjsd.so
# This thing uses libc5...
# /usr/lib/netscape/dynfonts
/usr/lib/netscape/nethelp
/usr/lib/netscape/registry
/usr/lib/netscape/vreg
/usr/lib/netscape/plugins
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/*/app-defaults/*
%files -n netscape-navigator
%defattr(-,root,root)
%config(missingok) /etc/X11/applnk/Internet/netscape-navigator.desktop
/usr/bin/netscape-navigator
/usr/lib/netscape/netscape-navigator
%files -n netscape-communicator
%defattr(-,root,root)
%config(missingok) /etc/X11/applnk/Internet/netscape-communicator.desktop
/usr/bin/netscape-communicator
/usr/lib/netscape/netscape-communicator
/usr/lib/netscape/movemail
/usr/lib/netscape/movemail-src
/usr/lib/netscape/spell
%post -n netscape-common
if [ -x /usr/sbin/chkfontpath ]; then
/usr/sbin/chkfontpath -q -a /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi
fi
%changelog
* Fri Mar 3 2000 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- updated Japanese locale defaults
- move movemail, movemail-src, spell to communicator package
* Wed Mar 1 2000 Bernhard Rosenkr�nzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- Add German nethelp
- fix up broken HTML in nethelp, all locales
* Tue Feb 29 2000 Bernhard Rosenkr�nzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- Add locale files for German
- while at it, fix up the ISO-8859-15-entry for French and Spanish
* Fri Feb 25 2000 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- don't run sparc against glibc-2.0; the X bug has been fixed
- don't do locale-munging; 4.72 doesn't write broken locale settings
* Thu Feb 24 2000 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- tweak wrapper script to be smarter about lock files
* Wed Feb 23 2000 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- update to 4.72 on intel
* Wed Feb 16 2000 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- munge default bookmarks slightly
* Tue Feb 8 2000 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- fix netscape.sh syntax errors
- fix homepage detection
* Fri Feb 4 2000 Nalin Dahyabhai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- fix netscape.sh syntax errors
* Fri Feb 4 2000 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- integrate some l10n stuff
* Fri Nov 5 1999 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- remove sparc binaries - in different package now.
* Wed Sep 29 1999 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- update to 4.7
* Fri Sep 24 1999 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- fix timezone
* Wed Sep 22 1999 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- fix quoting in shell script
- fix processname of compat-lib-ized netscape
* Mon Sep 20 1999 Matt Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- make netscape-common requirements include the serial
* Fri Sep 17 1999 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- get default homepage back
* Sat Sep 11 1999 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- fix paths to pidof
* Fri Aug 27 1999 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- fix paths to compat libs in new script.
* Fri Aug 27 1999 Preston Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- some ideas from H. Peter Anvin and Dave Cinege's wrapper incorporated.
* Fri Aug 20 1999 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- run against the compatibility libs. This sucks.
- re-integrate the Sparc version, with different versions.
* Tue Jun 15 1999 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- update to 4.61
* Mon May 17 1999 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- update to 4.6
* Thu May 6 1999 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- remove libTrueDoc to get rid of libc5 dependency. Oops.
* Mon May 3 1999 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- update to attempt to fix pipe bug
* Thu Apr 15 1999 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- rewrite startup script to be sane
* Mon Apr 12 1999 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- move requires/obsoletes to the right place in the spec file.
* Thu Mar 25 1999 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- update to 4.51
- build on sparc. Wheee.
* Sun Mar 21 1999 Cristian Gafton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- auto rebuild in the new build environment (release 8)
* Tue Mar 16 1999 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- applink -> applnk
- make subpackages require versions
* Thu Feb 25 1999 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- wmconfig -> applink
* Fri Jan 22 1999 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- fix netscape script for other locales
- remove LD_PRELOAD (ns is now linked against libBrokenLocale....)
* Sun Jan 10 1999 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- spec file cosmetics
* Sun Dec 13 1998 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- update to 4.08
* Tue Oct 6 1998 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- update to 4.07
* Tue Aug 18 1998 Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- updated to 4.06
* Fri Jul 10 1998 Cristian Gafton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- modified to load libBrokenLocale.so.1, so that glibc-devel is no longer
required
* Thu Jun 11 1998 Prospector System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- translations modified for de
* Thu Jun 11 1998 Prospector System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- translations modified for de, fr, tr
* Wed Jun 10 1998 Erik Troan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- replaced LANG=C with a preload of libBrokenLocale.so
- don't point to our html page if a home page is set in the user's preferences
- added missing " to wmconfig files
* Mon May 04 1998 Erik Troan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- added LANG=C to netscape start wrapper
* Thu Apr 02 1998 Erik Troan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- update to netscape 4.05
- moved common files to netscape-common package which both navigator and
communicator require
- made relocateable (needs RPM >= 2.4.103 to relocate properly)
* Fri Jan 23 1998 Erik Troan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- initial package is rel 3, works on RH 4.x and RH 5.x
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From: josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: cant get to kde
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:30:02 GMT
linux is booting to console
i try to execute kde but it lists a bunch of x server errors
how do i get it to boot to kde from console
(a way to get to kde from consle would be enough)
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:28:17 -0700
From: Doug Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Finding the status of a process
I have a program that forks a process. I would like the process that
did the forking to be able to get the status of the forked process.
The parent process has the process ID of the forked process. How do I
find what the exit status of the forked process is (if it has exited),
or some piece of information that would allow me to conclude that the
process is still running? Any help is appreciated.
I am using the execvp( ) call after the fork in the child process.
Thanks,
Doug
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From: EnEmA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: visual IRC client for Linux?!
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:37:01 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I am looking for a sort of equivalent of Visual IRC that would run on
> my Linux mandrake 6.1 box. I got one running under Windows 98 but it
> hangs the whole system so often that it makes me crazy! :-)
> Anyone please help me! Where can I get something like a visual IRC
> client for Linux???!!!
> Thanx,
> Narcyz
>
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> Before you buy.
just look for kvirc
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11:00pm up 1:34, 5 users, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.03
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From: John Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: newbie's questions
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:30:29 GMT
what's redhat and what's sparc?
are they related at all?
what should i put on my pc?
any advice is appreciated as well as referrals.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Subject: Re: can't access the floppy disk
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 16 May 2000 21:43:47 GMT
On Sun, 14 May 2000 22:44:03 -0700, mark said:
>Hi all,
>I am trying to access my floppy for no avail. when i type the command:
>mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
>I get the error message:
>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/fd0 or too many
>mounted file systems.
>I get this error message from a fresh redhat 6.1 installation, I also get
>even after i recompiled the kernel and inculded all the that is needed "file
>systems,.." but still no luck.
Does /mnt/floppy exist? Are you _sure_ that the floppy is msdos and not
corrupt? Try 'file /dev/fd0'.
Robie.
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: hosts.allow help
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:33:56 -0500
Gerald Pollack wrote:
>
> I'm trying to establish a serial-port ppp link between my WindowsCE
> handheld and my linux desktop. I can log onto the desktop from the
> WinCE with no problem. When I start up pppd on the desktop I see the
> expected "hash" characters appear on the CE's screen. But when I put
> the CE's communication program into the background, I'm disconnected
> from the host. I've turned on debugging in pppd, and this is what I
> see:
>
> May 16 16:51:53 localhost pppd[1055]: Using interface ppp0
> May 16 16:51:53 localhost pppd[1055]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0
> May 16 16:52:02 localhost pppd[1055]: Received bad configure-nak/rej:
> 1a 04 78 00 1a 04 78 00 18 04 78 00 18 04 78 00 15 03 2f 15 03 2f
> May 16 16:52:02 localhost pppd[1055]: Peer is not authorized to use
> remote address 192.168.215.3
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ see below
> May 16 16:52:02 localhost pppd[1055]: Connection terminated.
> May 16 16:52:02 localhost pppd[1055]: Connect time 0.2 minutes.
> May 16 16:52:02 localhost pppd[1055]: Sent 360 bytes, received 235
> bytes.
> May 16 16:52:02 localhost pppd[1055]: Hangup (SIGHUP)
> May 16 16:52:02 localhost pppd[1055]: Exit.
> May 16 16:52:02 localhost getty[1057]: exiting on HANGUP signal
>
> The address indicated above is the one I specify in the pppd command,
> which is:
> /usr/sbin/pppd -detach debug crtscts lock 192.168.215.1:192.168.215.3
> /dev/ttyS0 19200 &
>
> 192.168.215.1 is the linux host.
>
> The problem described occurs even though /etc/hosts.allow includes the
> following line:
> ALL: 192.168.215.
>
> and even though I have removed (temporarily, for testing purposes
> only) /etc/hosts.deny.
>
> But, if I also remove hosts.allow, then the ppp link is okay.
>
> Can anyone tell me what's wrong?
If it is a small network try adding a line like this in /etc/hosts.allow
for each system that you want to be able to connect.
ALL:[email protected] : ALLOW
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From: Declan Mullen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Ghostscript driver for Canon LBP-4i printer ?
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:54:58 +1000
Hi,
Can anyone recommend a ghostscript driver for my Canon LBP-4i
laser printer ?
I've got redhat v6.1 with it's ghostscript ver 5.10.
I've tried the included lbp8 driver but garbage is printed. :(
Regards,
Declan
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From: Marcel Pol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cant get to kde
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:50:34 GMT
josh wrote:
>
> linux is booting to console
> i try to execute kde but it lists a bunch of x server errors
> how do i get it to boot to kde from console
> (a way to get to kde from consle would be enough)
In your .xinitrc (in your homedirectory) you can set a line at the
end:
exec startkde
Then you can type at the prompt startx
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From: Thieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Gdk-Error when running Netscape
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:51:00 -0700
I have just installed Red Hat 6.2 and am having troubles running
Netscape (4.73). After opening Netscape and run for a while, xmanager
will crash and bring me back to the console with the following error
message:
Gdk-Error **: x-connection to: 0.0 broken (explicit kill or server
shutdown)
Does anyone know what is going on? Is there any setup that I have not
done which caused this to happen? Also, as a side question, is there a
command in Linux to find out about a system's hardware info of irq, dma,
io memory, etc. (such as sound card is using irq7, io220, dma 1...)? If
no one command is available, is there a gui tool that show those info
(similar as in windows control panel)? Thanks much in advanced for any
help.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: compilation problem
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:54:32 GMT
Hi All;
I am newbie, as you can tell by my question.
Everytime I try to use ./configure or make to make executables I get
messages that some file not found.
Here is an example:
I was tryng to install gnomerar-0.3.2. After using tar, and untaring
the .tar.gz file, the install file says to run ./configure from the
gnomerar-0.3.2. When I do tha I get the following messages:
loading cache ./config.cache
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for working aclocal... missing
checking for working autoconf... missing
checking for working automake... missing
checking for working autoheader... missing
checking for working makeinfo... missing
checking for gnome-config... no
checking for gnomeConf.sh file in /usr/local/lib... not found
configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated
by gnome-libs install
When I look for the missing files I can find them using slocate.
What can I do to correct this problem?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Masoud
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From: "Jamie Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:14:14 +0100
Yes but Amaya is crap as an editor, whatever it proves in concept.
By trying to produce sound HTML code without too much of the gibberish
typical of WYSIWYG tools, it has become rigid to the extent that unless you
are content to produce incredibly simple docs, it is actually easier to hand
code HTML than it is to use Amaya.
I am very unimpressed with some of the arguments here involving Lynx--
unless we are prepared to put old standards behind us and support new ones,
even if they are incompatible, and even if they are proposed by Microsoft
(whatever you may think about them, MS's HTML DOM and CSS implementations
are much more functional then Netscape's or W3C's), we will not make
progress.
The extra effort need to make even hand-coded HTML compatible with
text-based browsers should not be neccessary.
-- Jamie Webb
Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Dances With Crows wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 15 May 2000 21:40:21 +0100, Mark Wilden
> > <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
> > >JEDIDIAH wrote:
> > >>
> > >> This is the point of view from which most of us justify our
> > >> dislike of visual HTML authoring tools actually.
> > >
> > >However, when presented with an argument for using such tools that has
> > >nothing to do with that point of view, most of 'you' are strangely
> > >silent...
> >
> > I'll bite, because I've seen this problem N+1 times:
> >
> > "WYSIAWYG"[0] tools are easier to start off with. They provide
convenient
> > eye candy, and they make people think they're actually coding HTML.
Then
> > the strange problems start... like, oh, MS FrontRage's automatic
>
> What about Amaya? The free W3C browser/editor? W3C creates and
> determines
> the standards. If their own tool can't do it then NOTHING and NO ONE
> can.
>
> patrick
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From: "Jamie Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: naive question on programming Linux applications
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:01:25 +0100
Most Linux programs are written in C (C++ seems to be catching on rather
slowly in the Linux community) so if you want to do anything clever, you'll
probably need that (it's probably better to learn C++ first and then see
which bits C can't do, because you will get into better programming habits).
For simpler stuff, you could stick to Perl (possibly with a GUI module) if
you don't want to spend to much time learning a new language. You could also
look at moving up to Java.
Data structures, etc. will probably be more useful after you have decided on
a language to apply them to.
'Linux Unleashed' has a short chapter on each of a number of languages, but
most books on programming will have a bit at the beginning telling you about
the language and why you should use it. You could go to a bookshop or
library and just read those.
Ask for suggestions about books to buy after you have chosen a language.
-- Jamie Webb
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>
> I'm wondering what one needs to learn to be able to program applications
> for Linux. I'm not very experienced as a programmer, but I can do all the
> web-related programming I need (JS, Perl and PHP) and I do have the
> opportunity to take some classes in the next couple of years. What should
> I learn? C++? More advanced data-structures classes?
>
> Are there any good books on this subject?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joshua
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From: "Jamie Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: From Linux BACK to Win 98SE
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:46:13 +0100
Provided you have the right type of Windows CD (e.g. not MSDN).
Provided the CD drive is bootable.
Sometimes that is a option in the BIOS.
Old systems can't do it.
Remember to fdisk first.
-- Jamie Webb
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> Put your Windows 98SE cd into the drive and reboot. It's that simple.
>
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Jeff W. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I currently have Corel Linux OS on my laptop and I just don't like
> the way
> > it works, I've had monitor problems, and a whole mess of things. I
> want to
> > take it off completely and reinstall Win 98SE. Now, I have Win 2000
> on my
> > terminal and I don't know what kind of startup disk I'll need. Are
> there
> > any suggestions on how to go back to 98 on the laptop?? Thanks in
> advance.
> >
> > --
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> > http://www.help.com/
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From: Marcel Pol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: newbie's questions
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:55:11 GMT
John Cohen wrote:
>
> what's redhat and what's sparc?
> are they related at all?
> what should i put on my pc?
Redhat is a distribution of Linux.
A distribution is a collection of software, mostly a complete
Operating System.
There are other distibutions, like SuSE, Caldera, Slackware, Debian,
etc.
Redhat is the most famous.
Sparc is a hardware platform for mainframes.
If you own a PC and want to use Redhat Linux, you should go for the
i386 (Intel PC) pack.
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