Linux-Misc Digest #531, Volume #20                Mon, 7 Jun 99 16:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Cannot setting the Modem on Linux Redhat 6.0? (Henrik Carlqvist)
  Cybex: Who has the best price??? (Andrew Ward)
  Re: chroot (Kevin Raulerson)
  Re: email to newsgroup? (Marc Mutz)
  Finger... "No Plan" ("Nick Codignotto")
  Re: A Capitalists view of freedom ("Mike")
  Software Raid working on RH 6.0 ???????? (Ricardo D'Aguiar)
  Re: What are the differences between mySQL and mSQL? (Don Baccus)
  Microsoft FrontPage� 2000 Server Extensions for Linux... ("test")
  Re: How can I boot RedHat Linux in Single User mode (Chris Aiken)
  Re: Mounting joliet CDROM media (Marc Mutz)
  Re: Help, removing RH Linux 6.0 (Chris Aiken)
  Re: How do i know if i'm running the new kernel?????? (Dominic Mitchell)
  AAAHHHHH    this close  |   |   to  getting my kernel installed              help w/ 
SuSE6.1 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  smarthost and bounces ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: AAAHHHHH    this close  |   |   to  getting my kernel installed              
help w/ SuSE6.1 (James Lee)
  Re: Backup recommendations? (Marc Mutz)
  Re: How do i know if i'm running the new kernel?????? (Marc Mutz)
  Re: Software Raid working on RH 6.0 ???????? (Marc Mutz)
  Re: AAAHHHHH    this close  |   |   to  getting my kernel installed              
help w/ SuSE6.1 (Steve Lamb)
  Re: Shutdown (gus)
  Software Raid working on RH 6.0 ???????? (Ricardo D'Aguiar)
  Re: How big can swap partition be? (Marc Mutz)
  Re: A new front in the war is opening! (benjamin j snyder)
  Re: Backup recommendations? (killbill)

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From: Henrik Carlqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,hk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Cannot setting the Modem on Linux Redhat 6.0?
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 20:48:18 +0200

Raymond Yung wrote:
> I use the "setserial /dev/ttys0 irq3" to enable this device, but
> the console will prompt an error message "/dev/ttys0: Input/Output
> error".

> My modem is connected to COM1 == ttys0.

You are almost right, try ttyS0 instead.

regards Henrik

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From: Andrew Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
ba.market.misc,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.ibm.pc.hardware,misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
Subject: Cybex: Who has the best price???
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 09:58:37 -0700

I need to buy a  Cybex VXPS-4 and 4 VXPR's (This is a VGA distribution
scheme.)

Who has the best price on Cybex stuff?

Please e-mail me if you know.... (Thank you for your kindness.)

--
-Andrew

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    800.250.4800 ext 72773              |           |
Optical Internetworking Business Unit  |||         |||
GSR development group (12000)     ..:|||||||:...:|||||||:..
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From: Kevin Raulerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: chroot
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 14:56:25 GMT

In article <7j9r8q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Benoit Lefebvre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> .videotron.net...
> > Hi,
> > Does anyone know why I obtain this error everytimes I want to
> > chroot something:
> > ---
> > root [/root]: chroot /system2 /bin/bash
> > chroot: cannot execute /bin/bash: No such file or directory
> > ---
> >
> > I want to do a kind of second system on my box.. Only the root will
be
> > able to be in the real /, the users will be on the "virtual" linux,
so, if
> > I get hacked, I'll only have to restore a backup of /system2 instead
of /
>
> Well, does /system2/bin/bash exist?
> Remember, after the chroot the root folder "/" will be what ordinarily
you
> would refer to as /system2/

On my system, the equivalent indeed does seem to exist, but I still see
the same error message:

ElQueVino:~# pwd
/root
ElQueVino:~#
ElQueVino:~# ls bin
bash  sh
ElQueVino:~# chroot /root
chroot: cannot execute /bin/bash: No such file or directory
ElQueVino:~#


The info and man pages on chroot are extremely brief.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Kevin


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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 20:10:42 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: email to newsgroup?

graywolf wrote:
> 
> I was using knews at work and seem to recall that it
> treated news posting similar to email.  Now I wonder
> if that is true.  Does anyone know if it is possible to
> send a newsgroup posting as an email?
> 
some newsgroups have a email-gateway (e.g. one of the *.linux.announce),
mostly ones that are declared 'moderated'. But generally you have it's
two worlds:
Mail uses SMTP (simple mail transfer protocol)
News uses NNTP (* news transfer protocol)

It's the application that makes them look similar.

Marc

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Reply-To: "Nick Codignotto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Nick Codignotto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Finger... "No Plan"
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:43:06 -0400

Greetings,

I am using a fairly 'default' installation of Red Hat Linux 6.0.

When I am logged on remotely via telbet and I execute finger on one of the
users on the system, the contents of the .plan file do not display. I get a
normal finger response, complete with idle time, etc., but I do not get the
contents of the .plan file located in the home directory of the user. When I
execute finger locally at the console, the contents of the .plan file are
displayed properly.

Is this a permissions problem? I can't seem to figure this out.

Thanks so much in advance for any help!
Nick



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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:20:14 -0700

The only time a business should be allowed to keep data on you is if you
give them permission to and/or they pay you.

--
---Got Coffee?---
BeOS, restoring sanity to a Win32 and MacOS world
Ed Avis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ottavio G. Rizzo wrote:
>
> >I don't understand: it is bad if the government has secret files about
> >me, but it's OK if a private company does?
>
> I don't think the government should hold secret files because they are
> not in the credit rating business.  However, if you applied for a job
> in the civil service, it would be reasonable for them to ask for
> references from your previous employers, which need to be
> confidential.
>
> >>They aren't doing you any harm
> >
> >They might well be: what if they had wrong or false data about my
> >financial situation?
>
> The same argument applies if I started telephoning people and telling
> them falsehoods about your finances.  Yes, you would be able to sue me
> for slander if my actions harmed you; but that's not an argument for
> saying that all telephone calls should be monitored, or that I should
> let you listen in to any calls I make - even if they are about you.
>
> >I should have the right to know they have those
> >data and the right to get them rectified. Actually they shouldn't even
> >have the right to hold such an information without my consent!
>
> Okay, so _you_ should have the right to view other people's
> information if it concerns you, while _they_ should not have the right
> to keep secrets.  Do you not think you're hoarding all the 'rights' to
> yourself here?
>
> >Doesn't the EU law say so?
>
> Yes, it does.  I don't agree with the law, however.  In particular, I
> am worried that companies won't be able to get confidential,
> trustworthy references for their employees (and the same applies for
> other things like university applicants).  Also, I think it's an
> infringement of my privacy that I have to inform the government if I'm
> collecting a list of names.
>
> Don't get me wrong - I think that some enforced freedom of information
> is a good thing, but we have to recognize that we can't grant this
> without trampling on the privacy of others, and there need to be
> exceptions.
>
> >>- surely what they do, in private, behind closed doors is none of
> >>your business.
> >
> >Since they talking about me, it *is* my business. The government is,
> >after all, responsible to me (well, since I'm leaving in a country of
> >which I'm not a citizen, this is not entirely true, but yet...): they
> >are not.
>
> I don't see that it's your business, even if they are talking about
> you.  I think they are perfectly entitled to discuss what they like
> without having to inform you.
>
> --
> Ed Avis




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ricardo D'Aguiar)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install,;
Subject: Software Raid working on RH 6.0 ????????
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 17:51:55 GMT

Hey,

I'm trying to install a software raid system (Raid 1) with RH 6.0 and
the following hardware:
-  PT III machine
- Two 17 Gb Scsi discs 
- 256 Mb

But I have some questions.

1� Do I need a third disc only to boot from ?
2� Beside the 'root-raid-Howto' where can I get more information ?


TIA,


RNA - Portugal



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Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.lang.java.databases
Subject: Re: What are the differences between mySQL and mSQL?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Don Baccus)
Date: 7 Jun 1999 11:24:10 PST

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Errin Watusikac  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaz Kylheku) writes:

>> THe default meaning of ``free'' means ``unfettered''.

...

>I agree "free" is often used correctly for things that are nearly free.
>I strongly disagree that GPLed or LGPLed software is nearly free.  Its
>key feature is that it and its derivatives will remain open.

Whatever it might be, it is hardly "free" if Kaz's favorite
meaning of the word ("unfettered") is the definition du jour.
-- 

- Don Baccus, Portland OR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Nature photos, on-line guides, at http://donb.photo.net

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From: "test" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Microsoft FrontPage� 2000 Server Extensions for Linux...
Crossposted-To: 
microsoft.public.frontpage.extensions.unix,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,linux.redhat.misc
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 11:23:38 -0700

http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/frontpage/wpp/ is the official website
for the extensions...

ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/Products/frontpage/fp40.linux.tar.Z
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/Products/frontpage/change_server.sh
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/Products/frontpage/fp_install.sh

Get those files and you're set...

USENET support...
Installing and administering UNIX server extensions for FrontPage:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.frontpage.extensions.unix


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From: Chris Aiken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How can I boot RedHat Linux in Single User mode
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 13:58:22 -0400

At your LILO Boot: prompt, enter linux=single.
This sould allow you to bootup in a basic single
non gui text mode.  log in as root to fix your problem.

.....cwa


Alejandro Isacovich wrote:

> My computer hangs up during boot starting the atd daemon.
> I need to boot Linux without those services to fix the problem
>
> I'm using ReadHat Linux 5.2
>
> Could it be an atd bug?
>
> Thanks
> Alejandro Isacovich


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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 20:26:44 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mounting joliet CDROM media

Scott Gravenhorst (see sig for reply) wrote:
> 
> I can mount iso9660, but not joliet.  If I try 'mount -t joliet...' an
> error message is issued regarding no such filesystem.
> 
> What is necessary to enable long file name format on joliet CDROM
> media?
> 
joliet is a iso9660 extension, not a new filesystem. so the mount should
read:
mount -t iso9660 ...
joliet/rockridge extensions are ataomatically detected if compiled into
the kernel.

Marc

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From: Chris Aiken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help, removing RH Linux 6.0
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 14:01:54 -0400

Why on earth would you want to remove Linux ???

On linux side use "fdisk" to reset linux partitions back to
dos/windbloze  partitions.  Boot into windbloze and
use "fdisk /mbr" to re-write the baster boot record.

...cwa


Lamar Thomas wrote:

> Help, removing RH Linux 6.0
>
> I just installed RH Linux 6.0 and would like to practice removing it.  Can
> anyone tell me how?  What about the Linux partitions?  Thanks, I am new to
> Linux and just installed it for the first time!
>
> Lamar
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: How do i know if i'm running the new kernel??????
Reply-To: Dominic Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: Dominic Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 07 Jun 1999 14:27:28 -0400



See "man uname"

uname -a

Cheers,

Dominic.


>>>>> "y" == yabba  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

y> hi there
y>      i dont know if i succeded in installing my new kernel how can you 
y> tell?

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==============================================================
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Department of Economics    mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Queen's University
Kingston, Ontario      
Canada, K7L 3N6            Running Linux Redhat 5.2     
==============================================================

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: AAAHHHHH    this close  |   |   to  getting my kernel installed              
help w/ SuSE6.1
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 18:02:56 GMT

hi there


        still cant get the new kernel to boot in SuSE 6.1

make menuconfig
make dep
make clean
make modules
make modules_install
make zlilo


zlilo says

added linux*
added old*       (my old kenel, i edited lilo.conf, so i can boot the 
old kernel, WHEW)

i reboot and it says lilo..............ok,loading kernel and stops

i cant get the new one to boot  i can boot old (old kernel)and run 
what am i missing????


oh no System.map file was created during the kernel build could that 
be the prob???


thanks

ps if i redo the lilo install i wont be able to boot?  old  kernel 
will be replaced with the current vmlinuz kernel that doesnt work ,  
how can i avoid this?

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: smarthost and bounces
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 17:54:06 GMT

I have two questions that relate to smarthost.

For starters, I have a dial-up connection to the internet and can send
and receive email without difficulty.

When I send a message via a smarthost, what happens if it bounces? What
I would like is to have the bounced message be sent to the account that
it was sent from. However, I use Mutt and change my from and reply-to
address depending upon which mail folder I am currently in so that I can
manage multiple pop email accounts.

If I send a message from my computer with from and reply-to set
as [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it bounces, then having the bounced message sent to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] would be convenient, but also be a potential problem it someone
decided to attack a mail server in that way. So, will I be notified of
the bounce at all? How will I receive that notification (in the supposed
sending account)?


Next question:
Some mail servers will not accept mail if they can not resolve the
domain name of the sending computer. Will the smarthost be seen as the
sending computer, thus allowing the mail server to accept the message?
OR do I need to use a dyndns?

In my initial tests I have not received the mail at the account hosted
on a server that requires the sending computer to be resolvable. Also, I
did not receive a bounce message, but that problem is addressed in the
first question.

After looking on the internet for some time I was unable to find
satisfactory answers to these questions. I hope someone can help me.

Stephen


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From: James Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: AAAHHHHH    this close  |   |   to  getting my kernel installed           
   help w/ SuSE6.1
Date: 7 Jun 1999 14:14:12 -0500

In alt.os.linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: hi there


:       still cant get the new kernel to boot in SuSE 6.1

: make menuconfig
: make dep
: make clean
: make modules
: make modules_install
: make zlilo


what happened to make zImage?


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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 20:36:22 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Backup recommendations?

Thom Caldwell wrote:
> 
> I backup to a second hard drive also.  An added advantage is that you can
> quickly put it into service replacing the first drive with very little
> effort.
> 
If you really mean to *backup* your system then don't do it on a second
hard drive. If your PC gets cooked by a lightning strike or the like,
both HD will be killed.
Use tape drives. Get yourself a used DAT and you have an open upgrade
path and a very good power-per-dollar (I even saw simple new DAT's (no
hw compression) for around 250$).

Marc

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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 20:41:25 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: How do i know if i'm running the new kernel??????

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> hi there
> 
>         i dont know if i succeded in installing my new kernel how can you
> tell?
If you upgraded your kernel:
cat /proc/version
If you changed only your config, /proc will be useful also, but where to
find the information depends on how the kernels differ.

Marc

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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 20:45:25 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: Software Raid working on RH 6.0 ????????

Ricardo D'Aguiar wrote:
> 
> Hey,
> 
> I'm trying to install a software raid system (Raid 1) with RH 6.0 and
> the following hardware:
> -  PT III machine
> - Two 17 Gb Scsi discs
> - 256 Mb
> 
> But I have some questions.
> 
> 1� Do I need a third disc only to boot from ?
you can make a little /boot partition (which mounts to /boot) and put
all kernal images and system.map-files there. You do this also on the
second disk. But that's merely a mirror (not raid1 though), that you may
use if the /boot gets corrupted.
> 2� Beside the 'root-raid-Howto' where can I get more information ?
/usr/src/linux/Documentation/md.txt or another file in this dir...

Marc

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: AAAHHHHH    this close  |   |   to  getting my kernel installed           
   help w/ SuSE6.1
Date: 7 Jun 1999 18:44:49 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Mon, 07 Jun 1999 18:02:56 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>i cant get the new one to boot  i can boot old (old kernel)and run 
>what am i missing????

    Try running lilo -l when you're in the old kernel.

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
         ICQ: 5107343          | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
===============================+=============================================


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From: gus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Shutdown
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 18:44:01 +0100

I am no expert on the runlevel scripts, but this is what I guess is
happening ...

Rebooting is runlevel 6, shutting down is runlevel 0. These are
important differences. You will find in /etc/init.d (I believe ... I use
SuSE, and it is in /sbin/init.d/) a set of directories called rc0.d,
rc1.d, and so on.

These directories basically structure your bootup and shutdown process.

Learn a lot about them, and find out script is being run when you
shutdown which is not being run when you reboot...

I guess I would start with a man init and man inittab, followed by a
look through the Redhat Manual. The bootup / shutdown mechanisms are one
of the few systems which differentiate the Linux distributions. Thay all
work quite differently.

gus

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I use Redhat 6.0.
> 
> If I reboot the machine with shutdown -r then, while rebooring it`s
> say`s ;
> 
> / device is busy
> 
> and it won`t umount  /,  leaving me with an uncleanly umount ed
> filesystem when  I reboot.
> This doesn`t happen when I reboot with shutdown -h .
> 
> Can anybody help me ?
> 
> Thanks in Advance for the answer.
> 
> Maurice Mahieu

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ricardo D'Aguiar)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install,;
Subject: Software Raid working on RH 6.0 ????????
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 17:40:36 GMT

Hey,

I'm trying to install a software raid system (Raid 1) with RH 6.0 and
the following hardware:
-  PT III machine
- Two 17 Gb Scsi discs 
- 256 Mb

But I have some questions.

1� Do I need a third disc only to boot from ?
2� Beside the 'root-raid-Howto' where can I get more information ?


TIA,


RNA - Portugal



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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 20:22:11 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How big can swap partition be?

Justin B Willoughby wrote:
> 
> I think about 132Megs or some thing close to that.
> 
wrong. That was for <= 2.0.x kernels. 2.2 kernels can have almost
arbitrarily big swap partitions (almost meaning you won't hit the limit
of - I guess - 4Gig's).

I personally *always* use SWAP=RAM*2. If you are low on RAM (say < 32M,
I recommend 4*RAM).

more than one swap partitions only make a difference if they are on two
different disks. The following (in fstab) makes them available in
parallel (like raid0):
/dev/<1>   swap    swap     defaults,pri=1    0     0
/dev/<2>   swap    swap     defaults,pri=1    0     0

Marc



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (benjamin j snyder)
Subject: Re: A new front in the war is opening!
Date: 7 Jun 1999 19:10:41 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Vikinsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>HELP!
>
>I recently learned that Microprose is planning a Linux release of Call to
>Power, but!
>1.They're going to charge serious money

And?

>2.They're not going to release the source code

So, that's their right.

>Hey, get with it!  The corporate slugs are trying to seduce us!  

No they're not, they're trying to sell a product to a community that has very 
few supporting the game market for them.


If Master
>Torvald can give away the magic that makes Linux happens, then so can the
>corporate vampires!

Linus was not out for cash, linux started as an academic project.  Microprose 
(more accurately Loki), is trying to SELL a product, they need to pay their
employees who need to buy things (like the necessities of life).

>There's a reason Master T used the copywrite he did!  To keep the vampires
>OUT!!!

Then hell, I guess nobody can use Motif (if this is actually free let me know
where I can get it...I thought you had to pay for it), StarOffice outside of
using it for personal use or school etc, 

>(Oh, and Microprose, before you send your lawers after ME for voicing my
>opinion(I'm sure your shysters will call it libel, or slander, or witchcraft,

FYI, it's scheisters (it's American slang originating from).

>That means: Keep your greed out!  It's unwanted, unwelcome, and un-Linux!)

By you, dont bother trying to get the rest of us that welcome the support of
game companies to the linux community to get involved in your campaign.

-- 
Ben Snyder                              

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From: killbill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Backup recommendations?
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 18:05:40 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  Abdullah Ramazanoglu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> Since high volume backup solutions are expensive, and low volume ones
> are proprietary and have bad cost/benefit, my strategy is simply using
> CD-RW for backups up to around 5 GB (uncompressed).
> If my needs exceed several CD's per backup run, I can upgrade to a
24MB
> DDS-3 drive.
> This is what I can work out for a reasonably cost/benefit balanced
> backup strategy. I'm also interested in other opinions.
> Regards.
>

Ahhh the perfect lead it to a shameless plug :)

I faced the same question, and arrived at the same solution (CDRW).  I
wrote a package (backburner, see www.freshmeat.net) that allows you to
capture any stream from any unix utility (generally either tar, dd, or
dump piped to gzip or bzip) to any arbitrary sequence of media, and then
recreate the stream at any later date to the original stream (for
restoration).  It is a small package of perl scripts, and I am getting
good reports from my huge installed user base (all 20 of them :)).

That being said, if you simply want to perform automated backups for
disaster recovery, I think it would be hard to beat an additional hard
drive.  The CDRW ( or tape for that matter ) approach would be better
for keeping a permanant or semi-permanant history of your system, but
would likely require manual media changes and would both be pretty slow
relative to a disk drive.  On the other hand, you can keep an n-1 copy
of the entire backup at a seperate location from your server, and have a
lot more security in the event of fire, flood, or theft.

And a tape drive or hard drive solution won't let you make portable
copies of all your (legally owned and personally ripped) music on MP3's.

Full disclosure:  Having used both tape and CDRW for automated server
backups, the only reason to use CDRW is if you really want a CDRW drive
anyway, and are looking for an excuse to get one.  A CDRW will do the
backup job well, but has some inherit headaches that you have to work
around.

That being said, if you can live with some of the hassles of CDRW
backups (your system gets tied up for 30 minutes at a time while the
image is burning, and you must switch media every 600 to 1.5 gigabyte of
archive), a CDRW drive offers great archive bang for the buck, probably
has the best expected media life of any archive (measured on the order
of centuries instead of years), has unbeatable portability to other
machines, and comes in handy for a thousand other unrelated purposes.

--
Bil Kilgallon ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
--"I believe, what I believe, has made me what I am.  I did not make
   it, It is making me, it is the very truth of God, not the invention
   of any man".  Rich Mullins, quoting G.K. Chesterton.


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