Linux-Misc Digest #531, Volume #18 Sat, 9 Jan 99 09:13:28 EST
Contents:
Re: Whats the best *offline* usenet reader for Linux? (John Thompson)
Re: How do you kill a bash shell script (Peter Bradley)
Re: what are hardlinks for? (Martin Drautzburg)
Re: MCA Linux (Linux for PS/2 Microchannel) (Michael Skolen)
Re: restarting apps without rebooting (Larry)
Re: NOSPAM in addresses.. (Bill Anderson)
Re: Whats the best *offline* usenet reader for Linux? (Martin Drautzburg)
Re: Linux 1.2.13 Y2K problems (was Re: - Help is Linux Y2K Complient ??) (Gary
Momarison)
Re: Remove LILO ("helmut")
Mounting FAT32 filesystem, newbie help ("Jess Canada")
Re: Best Free Unix? (David Goddard)
Re: Leafnode - few articles (John Thompson)
Re: Change Red Hat 5.x server name (Frank Sweetser)
Re: 2038 and Linux (Frank Sweetser)
Re: Mounting FAT32 filesystem, newbie help ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... (Matt Templeton)
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... (Matt Templeton)
Re: Connection refused from remote X-Windows (Steve Irwin)
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... (Frank Sweetser)
Re: SATAN INSTALLATION (Guido Gerding)
Re: I NEED HELP!!! (Sam E. Trenholme)
how often do you -really- need to upgrade (steve mcadams)
Re: Newbie asks: why Linux? (mlw)
Re: how often do you -really- need to upgrade (Sam E. Trenholme)
Undefined Symbol: __bzero (Ki-Won Lee)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Thompson)
Crossposted-To: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: Whats the best *offline* usenet reader for Linux?
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 04:45:55 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In <773qeb$1ai$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Gerard) writes:
>On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:15:31 +1100, Ian Tester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>:yikes. How well does the FAT filesystem handle the lotsa-little-files
>:problem so common with news spools? Most modern generic Unix filesystems
>:don't handle it overly well. FAT32 would greatly reduce the overhead from
>:slack space. But I understand that FAT was originally written for floppies
>:in mind and so is really simple but doesn't handle large directories very
>:well (i.e fast or efficient).
>
>
>Yep, a spool takes up a lot of space under FAT - news articles mostly
>being 1K-2K, and the cluster size (on my disk) being 8K.
>
>I still consider slrn/slrnpull worth the disk space for the spool.
>Though I'd quite like something that will be a local news-server
>(a leafnode/slrnpull sorta thing) but keep the articles in a database,
>which is much more space-efficient (the way Agent, etc, keep their
>article store).
>
>I suspect it would be a lot better under FAT32 (smaller cluster size)
>or NTFS (where the file system is a database IIRC).
I keep my news spool on an hpfs partition (512-byte allocation
units) in OS/2 and it's been working very nicely for several
years now. I did try leafnode in linux but found its "fetch"
program unsatisfactory - far too slow for my taste. The OS/2
fetch program is easily an order of magnitude faster, I suspect
because it uses multiple connections to the remote sever whereas
leafnode's "fetch" appears to use only a single connection. I
may try one of the "full-fledged" severs (ie, INN) at some point
but for now I'll just stick with what's been working for me.
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Peter Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: How do you kill a bash shell script
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 20:48:19 +0000
Bret Wood wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Ok guys, I know this one is basic, but I don't know how to get a process
> > number for a bash shell script. For simplicity, here is a simple bash shell
> > script that I wrote:
> >
> > echo sleeping
> > sleep 25
> > echo end sleep
> >
> > When I run "ps" though, the computer gives me something like this:
> > PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
> > 472 1 S 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty1
> > 473 2 S 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty2
> > 474 3 S 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty3
> > 475 4 S 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty4
> > 476 5 S 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty5
> > 477 6 S 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty6
> > 940 a0 S 0:00 su root
> > 941 a0 S 0:00 bash
> > 1659 a0 S 0:00 bash
> > 1660 a0 S 0:00 sleep 25
> > 1661 a0 R 0:00 ps
> >
> > How do I know which process number is associated with the script I just ran?
> > The "bash" description listed is quite undescriptive. I know that the process
> > number is given right after I type "test&", but sometimes I may want to close
> > a process after that numebr disappars from my screen. So how can I find out
> > the proces number of the script I just ran?
>
> I don't remember the option off the top of my head (and I'm in Win95
> right now) but you need to do ps <option>, where the option will show
> the parent process id for each process. Check 'man ps' for more info.
>
> Then, you can see which shell is the parent of the other one. (And
> which shell is the parent of the sleep) That should let you tell
> which one to kill.
>
> -Bret Wood
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think it's ps -eaf
Peter
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From: Martin Drautzburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: what are hardlinks for?
Date: 06 Jan 1999 22:56:54 +0000
Also there are no "dead" hardlinks. A symlink points to a
file*name*. You can delete this filename and the link will prevail
with no sign of being dead.
You cannot delete a hardlink, since hardlinks are ordinary directory
entries. So if you delete a directory entry, all other directory
entries that point to the same inode will prevail.
So when you do
touch xxx
ln xxx yyy
# now you have two directory entries for the same inode
rm xxx
touch xxx
# now you have two directory entries for two different inodes
# yyy points to the origina inode
--
Martin Drautzburg, Gustav-Schwab-Str.12a, D-78467 Konstanz
Voice: 07531 - 69 99 18 (home), 07531 - 86 36 18 (work)
Microsoft isn't the answer ! Microsoft is the question.
The answer is "no".
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From: Michael Skolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: MCA Linux (Linux for PS/2 Microchannel)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 13:06:43 +0100
I don't have a complete thread, so if this is redundant please excuse.
The MCA stuff for Linux is at http://www.dgmicro.com/
There is Slackware boot and install disks supporting MCA. It won't support
mouse and parallel port (printer) so you would have to build a new kernel
after installation There is a patch which includes the MCA stuff into the
production 2.0.35 kernel.
RedHat: There is boot disks up to version 5.0. I've just uploaded for
version 5.1, but it might take a couple of days before it shows in the
RedHat directory. Version 5.2 is coming soon.
Please redirect any reply mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chr. Hansen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry)
Subject: Re: restarting apps without rebooting
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 8 Jan 1999 22:07:02 GMT
On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 22:42:39 GMT, Frederick Senn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'd like to know wheter someone knows of a site listing how linux apps
>(apache, sendmail, etc) can be forced to reread their conf files
>without having to reboot the entire system?
very easy stuff:
To kill an app like apache (httpd) do:
killall httpd or:
kill `pidof httpd`
then just restart it with: httpd
sendmail is the same thing:
killall sendmail or:
kill `pidof sendmail`
note: (it's ` not ' )
then restart with: sendmail -bd -q15m
Almost all programs and daemons can be caused to reread their config files
this way. Much better than the constant reboot crap you have to contend with
in WinBLOOOOOWWWWWWWWWSSSSSSSSUUUUCCCKKKSSSBBBBIIITTTEEESSSSS. (:
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From: Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: NOSPAM in addresses..
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 15:42:14 -0700
Troutman wrote:
>
> Dennis McGrath wrote:
> >
> > Michael Lee Yohe wrote in message ...
> > >Gee, guys - I guess it's not really a known fact that common email gatherer
> > >programs know to strip out "nospam" "antispam" and other "spam" references
> > >from your addresses. Be a little creative or just lay out your email
> > >address plain n' simple.
> >
> > Amen! I can't tell you how many times I'll email a reply to a request for
> > help on a NG and have it bounce back 'cause I didn't take the time to see
> > what the hell the actual email address.
>
> Dont reply to people - reply to the NG. Most of the spammers dont seem
> to be smart enough to remove NOSPAM. Regardless of what Mr. Yohe says.
> My inbound spam is next to nothing with the altered return address.
This proves nothing, mine is also next to nothing, and I don't munge my
address.
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From: Martin Drautzburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whats the best *offline* usenet reader for Linux?
Date: 06 Jan 1999 22:45:37 +0000
ben*nospam*@shell.bensykes.com (Ben Sykes) writes:
I am using xemacs+gnus+agent. Works both online + offline
--
Martin Drautzburg, Gustav-Schwab-Str.12a, D-78467 Konstanz
Voice: 07531 - 69 99 18 (home), 07531 - 86 36 18 (work)
Microsoft isn't the answer ! Microsoft is the question.
The answer is "no".
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux 1.2.13 Y2K problems (was Re: - Help is Linux Y2K Complient ??)
Date: 08 Jan 1999 15:01:56 -0800
You could try putting something in a startup script to
set the OS clock from the HW clock and see if it gets
it right. Maybe its some bug in the boot code that
occurs before your script would run. You could always
just set the clocks "by hand" at bootup by prompting
the user from a bootup script, like in DOS days.
There's some clock info in Gary's Encyclopedia at
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/clock.html
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From: "helmut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Remove LILO
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 19:29:28 +1100
Vialli Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>I wanna remove LILO temporarily because I am going to re-install my
>window95 on my computer.
+++ on the command prompt (win95 or DOS), type fdisk /mbr
>Can I still boot my window95 directly from harddisk after I remove the
>LILO from the master boot record (MBR)?
+++ yes.
>
>Thanks for any reply.
>
>(I use boot floppy to boot up Linux then)
+++ I use a linux boot diskette as well.
>
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From: "Jess Canada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Mounting FAT32 filesystem, newbie help
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:00:26 -0700
Hi, I'm new to Linux. I'm using RH 5.0 and I use System Commander for a
dual boot with Win98. I need to know how to mount my FAT32 filesystem in
Linux. I looked for /dev/hda1 in etc/fstab, but it's not there, and there
isn't anything with an msdos filesystem. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
Thank you,
Jess Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Goddard)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix?
Date: 8 Jan 1999 22:50:12 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Someone wrote:
> >> On the otherhand, Linux uses a rather inconsistant filesystem
> >> interface and does not support files larger then 2G on 32 bit
> >> systems...
I recently had to deal with a problem on a new-ish HP-UX box. Turned
out that the 2G file size limit was being breached (and handled in an
odd manner). I was gobsmacked that a commercial Unix such as this would
suffer from this problem.
--
David Goddard
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the
average voter - Winston Churchill
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Thompson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Leafnode - few articles
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 04:38:54 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In <775chp$g68$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dale Pontius) writes:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pietro Montelatici) writes:
>> I've just installed Leafnode. I configured it with no limits set (no maxfetch,
>> no maxcrosspost, no maxage) apart for initialfetch = 100.
>>
>> I run fetch -f, everything fine. I run fetch -vv, ok. I run fetch -vv again
>> after 24h and it downloaded only few articles from all the subscribed groups.
>> Too few.
>Have you used a newsreader to connect to fetchmail, and try to read
>some groups from it? By default, fetchmail doesn't fetch much - it's
>demand-driven. Before it'll start fetching groups, you have to
>demand them with a newsreader.
IIRC, the default behavior is as you describe. But you can
change that so it will download all new articles since the last
time you fetch-ed by tweaking one of the config files. I found
that fetch was just too slow for me so I've left my OS/2 news
server running instead of using leafnode...
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Change Red Hat 5.x server name
Date: 08 Jan 1999 18:25:00 -0500
"Norm Dresner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Mark Ramos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > Gene Wilburn wrote:
> >
> > > If you want to do this manually, edit the file /etc/sysconfig/network
> > > (even if you don't have a network card).
> > >
> > > Change the line that says HOSTNAME=xxx to HOSTNAME=yyy
> > >
> > > Next time you reboot, your host will be renamed. If I recall correctly,
> > > the file /etc/HOSTNAME is set dynamically. Editing that file will not
> > > permanently change the name.
> >
> > Don't forget the /etc/hosts file ....
> >
> > Mark
> >
>
> And the file /etc/sys_id
uh, never seen such a file on a RH system.
--
Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu fsweetser at blee.net | PGP key available
paramount.ind.wpi.edu RedHat 5.2 kernel 2.2.0pre3 i586 | at public servers
"It's Lois! she's in trouble!"
"Wow, Superman, did you look through that building?"
"Well, kinda.. it's glass."
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From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2038 and Linux
Date: 08 Jan 1999 18:27:40 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow) writes:
> On Fri, 08 Jan 1999 17:26:11 +1030,
> Glen Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I fully expect the 2038 problem to be fixed on i386 Linux
> >with five years, and that no effort greater than the libc/glibc
> >migration will be needed for this to happen.
> >
> >Thus in the year 2038 we will only have to worry about
> >Linux machines greater than 25 years old. Even embedded
> >computing systems tend not to be in service this long.
>
> True, but some ARCHITECTURES have been around for as long. The venerable
> IBM/360 design, for example, is pushing 35 this year and still in production
> as the IBM/390.
>
> OTOH, I also see no real need to rush the job on i386, as Intel is hinting
> at a new design (Merced). It does remain to be seen whether the i386
> survives as long as the 360, but you certainly don't want to cut off future
> users for no good reason.
of course, the PPro was supposed to be the last x86 chip. and then the PII
was supposed to be the last x86 chip - until just recently intel seems to
have announced the PIII chips (heard it on slashdot).
until winXXXX is ported to merced (or whatever it ends up being called) i
highly doubt they'll stop making more and more expensive versions of their
#1 cash cow.
--
Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu fsweetser at blee.net | PGP key available
paramount.ind.wpi.edu RedHat 5.2 kernel 2.2.0pre3 i586 | at public servers
"It's Lois! she's in trouble!"
"Wow, Superman, did you look through that building?"
"Well, kinda.. it's glass."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Mounting FAT32 filesystem, newbie help
Date: 8 Jan 1999 23:52:08 GMT
Jess Canada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-> Hi, I'm new to Linux. I'm using RH 5.0 and I use System Commander for a
-> dual boot with Win98. I need to know how to mount my FAT32 filesystem in
-> Linux. I looked for /dev/hda1 in etc/fstab, but it's not there, and there
-> isn't anything with an msdos filesystem. Any help would be greatly
-> appreciated.
at a command prompt, enter:
fdisk
then enter:
p
which will display all the partitions on your HD. Write them down and
then enter:
q
to leave fdisk
The partition names will be things like /dev/hda1 or /dev/sda4 and the
information you got from fdisk will tell you what type of partition each
one is.
create a mount point. In RedHat:
1) cd /mnt
2) mkdir anyname
then mount the disk partition:
1) mount -t vfat /dev/whatever.partition you want /mnt/anyname
Now you're done and can
cd /mnt/anyname
you'll be sitting at the root of the partition you mounted, and you'll
be able to navigate it with any of the normal tools.
HTH
Simeon
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From: Matt Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 16:13:04 -0500
PalmII@ .com (soume yoeung guih) wrote:
> Linus is such a pansy mother fucker. He needs real balls like bill
> gates. Linus says "Hey Im a gay boy and give my shit away." Bill says:
> "I own you linus mother fucker." Linus is a fuckin retard. Who else
> would make a fuckin OS with so many security holes. How many fuckers
> hack NT to run thier little eggdrop bots. You are all script kiddies.
> Who the fuck would let other people butt rape him for a kernel. Bill
> gates owns you all. I think we need to start putting tatoos on all
> these fuckin artic following homos heads.. And hopefully that tatoo
> will have bill gates head with a windows 2000 logo. I could write a
> better OS out of basic on a toaster. My on screen programming for my
> VCR is better than the gui for linux. I hope linus gets nut cancer and
> dies. Microsoft will soon buy linux so you all can get a real os. I
> cant wait for microsoft brings msinux to rape all you linux fags.
>
> Please do not flame me .. its only an opinion.
Lets get real folks! If you have read all the posts from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(forged header). Should recognize the stile of this troll as the same. He
is a pathetic troll that can only get attention by getting people angry.
He really is not worth the effort of a response. Let's just ignore him.
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From: Matt Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 16:15:06 -0500
PalmII@ .com (soume yoeung guih) wrote:
> Linus is such a pansy mother fucker. He needs real balls like bill
> gates. Linus says "Hey Im a gay boy and give my shit away." Bill says:
> "I own you linus mother fucker." Linus is a fuckin retard. Who else
> would make a fuckin OS with so many security holes. How many fuckers
> hack NT to run thier little eggdrop bots. You are all script kiddies.
> Who the fuck would let other people butt rape him for a kernel. Bill
> gates owns you all. I think we need to start putting tatoos on all
> these fuckin artic following homos heads.. And hopefully that tatoo
> will have bill gates head with a windows 2000 logo. I could write a
> better OS out of basic on a toaster. My on screen programming for my
> VCR is better than the gui for linux. I hope linus gets nut cancer and
> dies. Microsoft will soon buy linux so you all can get a real os. I
> cant wait for microsoft brings msinux to rape all you linux fags.
>
> Please do not flame me .. its only an opinion.
Lets get real folks! If you have read all the posts from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(forged header). Should recognize the stile of this troll as the same. He
is a pathetic troll that can only get attention by getting people angry.
He really is not worth the effort of a response. Let's just ignore him.
Remove the .XoutX. to reply
Matt
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From: Steve Irwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Connection refused from remote X-Windows
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 16:09:33 -0800
On the linux box, type xhosts <hostname> where hostname is the windows machine
name.
Jim Orfanakos wrote:
> I am using X-Win32 on a Win95 PC trying to connect to a RedHat 5.1 system.
> Whenever I try to start an X application I get connection refused after I
> enter my userid and password. I tried rsh as well as rexec.
>
> If I telnet in, then start the application sending it back to the remote pc
> via "-display" it works. If log in directly to the RedHat 5.1 server and
> send the application back to the remote pc via "-display" it works.
>
> I have open the system up in /etc/securetty and /etc/security/access.conf
> but no luck.
>
> Any Ideas?
>
> Thanks.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Jim Orfanakos
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/djo3
> ------------------------------------------------------
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From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: 08 Jan 1999 16:39:34 -0500
PalmII@<remove>.com (soume yoeung guih) writes:
> Linus is such a pansy mother fucker. He needs real balls like bill
[pathetic, bigoted, homophobic, arrogant reasons why bill and his OS can
beat up linus and his OS snipped]
> Please do not flame me .. its only an opinion.
begone, troll.
--
Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu fsweetser at blee.net | PGP key available
paramount.ind.wpi.edu RedHat 5.2 kernel 2.2.0pre3 i586 | at public servers
It is my job in life to travel all roads, so that some may take the road
less travelled, and others the road more travelled, and all have a
pleasant day.
-- Larry Wall in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Guido Gerding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SATAN INSTALLATION
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:39:28 GMT
Michael Tse wrote:
> HI:
>
> I have installed SATAN in my Linux box. When I enter SATAN, NETSCAPE
> also run and the control panel web page appear as follows:
Hi!
I know, this is not the answer to the question but recently I've read an
article in the german "Linux Magazin" concerning Security Scanner.
There a scanner called "Nessus" was recommended and I found it very
useful. Maybe you want to have a look at http://www.nessus.org ? This
scanner is more up-to-date.
Regards
Guido.
--
Guido Gerding
Michaelweg 28
D 48149 M"unster
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam E. Trenholme)
Subject: Re: I NEED HELP!!!
Date: 8 Jan 1999 17:03:14 -0800
>Can someone please point me to an ISP that I could use to dial up with
>linux/Netscape/telnet/ftp and have internet access?
Netcom's ix accounts work fine with Linux. They even have a page telling
you how to hook up to their system with Linux, although they do not answer
Linux questions on the phone.
You may be happier with a local ISP, though, since there is no substitute
for local service. Here is a list of ISPs:
http://www.thelist.com
Call up ISPs in your area, and see who is friendly when you ask about
Linux compatibility.
Congrats on getting a stable OS on your computer. Good luck!
- Sam
--
Email address here: http://www.samiam.org/ssi/mailme.shtml
Music I write here: http://www.mp3.com/sam http://www.samiam.org/mp3
Mp3 reviews here: http://www.samiam.org/music
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams)
Subject: how often do you -really- need to upgrade
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 00:56:46 GMT
I'm still trying different distributions (so far I like S.u.S.E. 5.3
the best, but I have a half-dozen I haven't tried yet). Once I settle
on one, how often am I really going to need to upgrade?
I can't see needing to do more than rebuild the kernel, and any tools
that stop working due to any kernel interface or behaviour changes.
Or if some new tool I really really want to use requires an interfaced
in a kernel newer than the one I'm running.
What have you guys seen over the years? How often do yo do any kind
of upgrade? More than a new kernel? -steve
========================================================
Tools for programmers: http://www.codetools.com/showcase
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Newbie asks: why Linux?
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 01:10:53 +0000
> "I will have the most ethical administration in history."
> Bill Clinton; Nov. 1992
>
> Yeah, right....
The sad realization of History may, in fact, be that he had.
--
Mohawk Software
Windows 95, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
Visit the Mohawk Software website: www.mohawksoft.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam E. Trenholme)
Subject: Re: how often do you -really- need to upgrade
Date: 8 Jan 1999 17:13:59 -0800
>Once I settle on one [Linux], how often am I really going to need to
>upgrade?
Depends on your needs. If you do not have a high-profile site, do not
IRC, and otherwise do not attract the attention of lameo 14-year-olds who
like to break in to and crash systems, a 1.2.13-based a.out distribution
is perfectly usable and stable today.
The main concern is security-related issues. Here, RedHat is probably the
best bet--they are still suppling security updates to RedHat Linux 4.2,
which is over a year and a half old.
Realistically, one would probably need to upgrade Linux about once a year,
since anything older than that risks not getting security updates.
RedHat is a better choice than Debian if one wants to keep a system with
no upgrades besides security patches. Then again, Debian is better about
making it easy to upgrade, even through a major change, such as bo (1.3)
-> hamm (2.0).
I do not know enough to comment on Caldera's, TurboLinux's, nor Suse's
security upgrade policy.
>Or if some new tool I really really want to use requires an interfaced
>in a kernel newer than the one I'm running.
Generally, if you want a new major Kernel release, you will need to
upgrade your entire system. Debian makes this easy, RedHat is also pretty
good about seamless upgrades (though they dropped the ball with 4.2 -> 5.x
upgrades).
- Sam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ki-Won Lee)
Subject: Undefined Symbol: __bzero
Date: 8 Jan 1999 23:48:17 GMT
Hi,
I was upgrading some rpms just now and I thought I was doing just fine,
taking note of the dep messages and making sure to upgrade the necessary
rpms to resolve them.
When all was done, I had logged out and wanted to log back in again and
that's when trouble began!
When I entered my login at the login prompt, the passwd prompt would not
come up, instead, it would flash a message and give me the login prompt
again, even as root. So, I tried to login as one of the users I had
created which I rarely login as and it finally displayed this message:
Login incorrect
/bin/login: error in loading shared symbols
/lib/libpam.so.0: undefined symbol: __bzero
INIT: ld "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
At this point, I didn't know what to do, so I rebooted by Ctrl-Alt-Dlt and
when it came to fsck.ext2 part, it gave a similar message of "undefined
symbol" and dropped me to a maintenance shell. But it dropped me to my
/dev/hdb1 which is the "/" partition and the rest, /dev/hdb2 and 3 were
not shown when I did "dh -f". I wasn't sure whether I should mount them,
so I just tried "ls" and at that point, my keyboard inputs weren't even
being shown on the screen. I'd type some gibberish and it'd tell me that
"lsakfdjklsd" is not a command even though I couldn't see what I was
typing.
It looks like my login's screwed cuz I foolishly upgraded pam to 0.65-2.
And my fsck.ext2's screwed too and I noticed that awk and some others were
screwed as well which get invoked at rebooting time, all showing that
"unresolved symbol" message, but there weren't too many of them.
--
With Best,
Steve *calloc(1,sizeof(geek))
__ _Can you please help me out and gimme some suggestions? How can I resolve
this? I really don't wanna reinstall, I really don't.
I was thinking of loggin in as single user (btw, I forget how to login as
such, plz tell me), but if I do, can I mount anything? or use rpm? I have
the RH5.1 CD, so I could just install the original pam and etc. if I
indeed can mount in single user mode.
I was thinking also of using "ldd <screwed app>" and see if what libs are
missing for those apps. Is that even worth trying? I'd really appreciate
any suggestions here. Thank you very much in advance.
Really worried,
Steve
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