Linux-Misc Digest #666, Volume #20 Wed, 16 Jun 99 22:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Open Source ("Chad Lavy")
Booting Redhat ("Chad Lavy")
Re: SuSE 6.1 ok to buy ? (David Goldstein)
Re: Linux on Palm-PCs (bill davidsen)
Re: Backup recommendations? (Greg Koch "@usa.net>)
Re: KDE strange question. (Alex Lam)
Re: Linux systems- Poor security (L J Bayuk)
Re: Best sound card for use w/ Linux? (Gravot)
Re: Help on setting up innd (L J Bayuk)
Re: help: ipfwadm: setsockopt failed: Protocol not availableerror (Sir Hoagy of the
Marshlands)
Re: Redhat Firewall Needed For Linux (CodeWright)
Re: Help on setting up innd (Brian McGroarty)
More Teamwork in Anti-Linux Propaganda (was: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New
Mindcraft Benchmark? (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: BitchX and Libncurses.so.3.4 ("T.E.Dickey")
Will RH 6.0 upgrade mess up KDE? ("Steve D. Perkins")
Re: Open Source (Stewart Honsberger)
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (was: Mindcraft Retest
News ("Chad Mulligan")
Re: quoted-printable & 8bit, again... (Per Hedeland)
How to make a boot or rescue disk with new kernel version? ("Jung, SH")
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (was: Mindcraft Retest
News ("Chad Mulligan")
WP8 -> RH5.1 from 6.0CD? (Rodney Loisel)
Re: BitchX and Libncurses.so.3.4 (Stewart Honsberger)
Re: Linux systems- Poor security (John Thompson)
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From: "Chad Lavy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Open Source
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:31:09 -0400
I am trying to understand Open Source Licensing a little better. I have a
client who would like to use Linux as a core operating system for
development of a new product, but is shying away because they feel that they
might get roped into giving away their source. In my gut I don't feel that
this could possibly be true, but I don't have any way to prove it to them.
I mean Oracle, Sybase and a hundred other closed source companies are
compiling against Linux. Where is the boundary between being closed source
and being obligated to opening your software? Can one use open source
libraries and compile into a closed source package? Is your software
obligated to be open source just by compiling it against an open source
compiler?
Is there a site somewhere that clearly lays out the guidelines in a way that
a non-lawyer can understand and use as binding proof to a business?
Thanks in advance,
Chad
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From: "Chad Lavy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Booting Redhat
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:35:30 -0400
I installed Redhat 6.0 on an older machine I have. I can't seem to get it
to boot from the hardrive, so I'm having to run from a floppy.
When trying to boot from the hard drive, lilo tries to start but letters LIL
only appear before it hangs.
One thing I'm thinking might be a problem is that my bios will only
recognize up to 8Gigs and I just dropped a 13Gig hardrive in there. Linux
(once it's up and running) has no problem seeing the whole thing though.
Is there a way to troubleshoot the boot sector and lilo without having to
reinstall?
Thanks in advance,
Chad
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From: David Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: SuSE 6.1 ok to buy ?
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:56:21 +0200
Ray Romero wrote:
<snipped>
> If you don't believe that I'm a true newbie, I just learned how to
> launch a program (using ./) this evening.
>
> Ray
Ray, I am using SuSE 6.0 and have been using SuSE since 5.1. I really
love this distro. Anyway, I am going to tell you a little secret that
is going to make your life with Linux even easier. Edit your
/etc/profile file. Look for the paths at the beginning of the file.
You'll see things like the following:
PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:, etc....
At the very end of this line add the following--:.
When you do this, you will no longer have to enter the ./ to execute
your programs. What the period does is add your current location to
your path :)
Don't tell anyone else about this, okay!? ;-) Works like a charm:)
David
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bill davidsen)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Linux on Palm-PCs
Date: 16 Jun 1999 23:04:45 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michel van der Kleij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I've tried and tested a Linux version for the Psion Series 5. It used up most
| of my 8Mb memory (kernel, "disk-image" etc.) but it works! Getting stuff to and
| from the Linux S5 was awkward because it had to be in diskimages. It's been a
| while since I last played with it, so I've forgotten where I got it from. Must
| have been the "PsionKing" site or something.
The folks who did lzop have done a software which allows execution of
compressed executables. I think this might be useful, since the memory
saving from having all the executables compressed should be
considerable.
--
bill davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CTO, TMR Associates, Inc
The Internet is not the fountain of youth, but some days it feels like
the fountain of immaturity.
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From: Greg Koch <"gkoch<enough_with_the_spam>"@usa.net>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Backup recommendations?
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:26:49 GMT
Marc Mutz wrote:
> Thom Caldwell wrote:
> >
> > I backup to a second hard drive also. An added advantage is that you can
> > quickly put it into service replacing the first drive with very little
> > effort.
> >
> If you really mean to *backup* your system then don't do it on a second
> hard drive. If your PC gets cooked by a lightning strike or the like,
> both HD will be killed.
> Use tape drives. Get yourself a used DAT and you have an open upgrade
> path and a very good power-per-dollar (I even saw simple new DAT's (no
> hw compression) for around 250$).
You could use a drive caddy to remove the drive so it doesn't get cooked. It
will be more vulnerable to damage from dropping than tape tho. Drive caddies
I've seen as cheap as $25. I wouldn't use them long term in a caddy tho as the
cheap ones tend to trap heat. They are also not really hot swappable but some
do disable power as you unlock them for removal and I'ld look for that feature
when shopping.
>
>
> Marc
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From: Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE strange question.
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:49:31 -0700
Roberto Alsina wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > The news reader(KRM 0.4.8) that came with KDE desktop was working
> > okay
> > for a couple days, but now it will disappear after fetching new
> > articles from news server.
> >
> > Any remedy for this strange behavior?
>
> Only a rather drastic one:
>
Indeed.
>
> Make a backup of ~/.kde/share/apps/krn and then remove it.
> This will have the side effect of forgetting your newsgroups and
> subscribed list, but you can recover it from the backup (which file it
> is is rather obvious).
>
Thanks. I'll try that.
*remove the Xs (upper case Xs) if reply by e mail..
>
> --
> Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (L J Bayuk)
Subject: Re: Linux systems- Poor security
Date: 17 Jun 1999 00:44:14 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>A while ago we had a security breach involving multiple linux boxes and
>as a consequence, our IT staff will probably be implementing a ban of
>the use of Linux! I use Linux as a development workstation (although
>I'm not a UNIX expert) ... does anyone know why the security of Linux is
>so bad? I assume that not all distributions are bad, but the ones with
>poor security give Linux a very bad name ... infact they give all free
>software a bad name .. I doubt if the IT staff will let me install
>FreeBSD instead of Linux.
>A very annoyed Tim (who will probably be forced to use Windows NT)
Sadly, you cannot win these fights. The "IT staff" usually has a vested
interest in whatever they are promoting - maybe they just sent some people
to "Microsoft Certified Training" - and news of a security problem on
Linux is enough to convince them. I know of one case where the IT staff
was convinced that having Linux on any PC on their LAN threatened
the security of their Novell servers.
These same people are blind to repeated Word Macro viruses and the newer
email-sending worm/virus/trojan things, which are made possible by poor
system design by MS. These are the real security threats today, but
don't bother trying to tell them about it...
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From: Gravot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Best sound card for use w/ Linux?
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:35:55 GMT
Thanks for the responses. I'd like to use something that doesn't
generate a lot of noise though. The AWE64 was quieter than it's
predecessors but still not as quiet as something like the Diamond
Monster series or the TB Montego & Montego II cards. Does there exist
any support for DSP-based soundcards in Linux?
Gravot
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (L J Bayuk)
Subject: Re: Help on setting up innd
Date: 17 Jun 1999 00:50:50 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Can anyone please tell me where i can get BASIC information on setting
>up innd ??
>
>I am running redhat linux 6.0
>
>I would like to be able to do in the following order
>1 -get a feed of a few newsgroups rom some other source.
>2 - I would like to be able to have a local newsgroup ( this I did ,
>correctly or not ) with ctlinnd
>3 - be able to send back posts to one or more of the newsgroups I
>downloaded back to some other site.
>
>I am also confused about what to change in the inn.conf
>
>when I try to access the server thru Netscape on linux - when I
>specified localhost it gave me a list of newsgroups that came with the
>server. when I tried adding the server by specifying the ip address or a
>name I get a prompt to enter a username and password - I don't want this
>how please can I get rid of it ???
>
>Netscape on Linux seems to have a bug. It doesn't let me access the
>newsgroups until I fill out identity in the preferences. but when I try
>to do so it doesn't take the changes. - I notice in Netscape under NT
>there is ok and cancel buttons on the identity page but there don't seem
>to be there in linux. does anyone know where there is an ini file I can
>update directly since the gui is not working ??
I recommend getting a copy of the O'Reilly book "Managing Usenet".
However it describes INN 1.7 and if your distribution has INN 2.x
there will be differences.
Setting up a news feed requires you to find someone to send
you the groups you want, in general. The O'Reilly book has tips,
or your ISP may be able to help.
There are different versions of Netscape, and at least some do
not have the bug you describe (not taking/saving identity
preferences).
Netscape on Linux keeps its stuff in the ~/.netscape directory.
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From: Sir Hoagy of the Marshlands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: help: ipfwadm: setsockopt failed: Protocol not availableerror
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:06:53 -0400
I believe that on SuSE 6.1 (the version I'm running), you
don't need ipfwadm. We have ipchains, and that does the
job nicely.
I could be wrong, but I'm using ipchains and it works
great as a firewall.
ipfwadm is for the older kernels. I could be wrong; anyone
wanna venture a guess here?
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From: CodeWright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat Firewall Needed For Linux
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:54:37 -0400
Warp wrote:
>
> Please advise ASAP where I can download a Firewall program for Redhat 5.1 +
> Need one fast!!
> Thanks
>
> (Using colleague's email so please send response to [EMAIL PROTECTED] )
> Thanks!
>
> --
> 'Opinions are my own and not representative of my employer'
ipfwadm (for Linux 2.0.x) or ipchains (for Linux 2.2.x) at
http://www.xos.nl
These will require that you compile IP Firewall support into the Linux
kernel
(it's one of the config options).
--
Lew Pitcher
Master Codewright and JOAT-in-training
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian McGroarty)
Subject: Re: Help on setting up innd
Date: 16 Jun 1999 20:01:27 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (L J Bayuk) writes:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>Can anyone please tell me where i can get BASIC information on setting
>>up innd ??
>>
>>I am running redhat linux 6.0
>>
>>I would like to be able to do in the following order
>>1 -get a feed of a few newsgroups rom some other source.
>>2 - I would like to be able to have a local newsgroup ( this I did ,
>>correctly or not ) with ctlinnd
>>3 - be able to send back posts to one or more of the newsgroups I
>>downloaded back to some other site.
>>
>>I am also confused about what to change in the inn.conf
[...]
>I recommend getting a copy of the O'Reilly book "Managing Usenet".
>However it describes INN 1.7 and if your distribution has INN 2.x
>there will be differences.
>Setting up a news feed requires you to find someone to send
>you the groups you want, in general. The O'Reilly book has tips,
>or your ISP may be able to help.
>There are different versions of Netscape, and at least some do
>not have the bug you describe (not taking/saving identity
>preferences).
>Netscape on Linux keeps its stuff in the ~/.netscape directory.
I also suggest getting the FreeBSD innd port package from
ftp.cdrom.com - even if you're planning on running innd on your
Linux box. The sample configuration files included in that package
were a LOT more useful than what's in the RedHat RPM.
I banged my head against a wall for hours with the RedHat set and
the O'Reilly book at my side. I was up and running in about 10
minutes clean after reviewing the FreeBSD port.
(Not an advocacy post - this may not be true in general, but this
particular port included more useful material.)
--
Brian McGroarty - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MASSIVELY filtered. Prefix subject with [NOTSPAM] if posting via AOL.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk)
Subject: More Teamwork in Anti-Linux Propaganda (was: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New
Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:22:56 GMT
Note Followup-To.
In article <7k97r1$efu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad Mulligan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Otto wrote in message ...
>>Mark S. Bilk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Microsoft has a history of cheating on benchmarks and
>>> rigging software to prevent competitive products from
>>> functioning. Could they do that in the Mindcraft retest
>>> that's now taking place?
>>Why would they need to cheat? As it is NT can beat the crap out of Linux on
>>the high end hardware, so what?Live with it.
>>It boils down to matter of trust, which no matter what's being done the
>>Linux community will never be satisfied. The test is not even over yet, no
>>results are available, you already crying foul play. Just make sure you'll
>>have plenty of tissues at hand when the results come out :).
>>Dislike the way the test is performed? Do your own using the same hardware.
>Gee, I thought I heard someone suggest that for this test, who was it? Oh
>it was me!
"otto3" and "Chad Mulligan" are both well-known anti-Linux/
pro-Microsoft propagandists in comp.os.linux.advocacy.
They post under false names and are therefore untraceable,
thus may be paid Microsoft shills.
The current list of such posters is: Jeff Szarka, "Boris",
"Chad Mulligan", "Xerophyte", "Odin"/"ubercat", "boobaabaa",
Stephen Edwards, "Cuor di Mela", and "otto3".
It's not surprising that they support each other. See my
article in c.o.l.a, "Teamwork in Anti-Linux Propaganda",
for another example, and DejaNews for many more.
Before believing anything they say about Linux, its creators,
distributors, and users, or its status vis a vis Microsoft,
check their previous posts in DejaNews. You'll find a
history of lying propaganda.
(BTW, "Cuor di Mela" seems to be Italian for "Apple Core",
according to BabelFish.)
Articles about Microsoft's policies and actions against
its competitors (GNU/Linux is only their latest target):
<LI><a href="http://www.vcnet.com/bms/departments/dirtytricks.shtml">Microsoft Dirty
Tricks Department</a>
<LI><a href="http://www.ddj.com/articles/1993/9309/9309d/9309d.htm">MS Code to Kill
DR-DOS -- SEP93: Examining the Windows AARD Detection Code</a>
<LI><a href="http://www.newsbytes.com/pubNews/129945.html">MS talks about killing
DRDOS and Novell -- Caldera Responds To Microsoft Dismissal Motions</a>
<LI><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/981020-000020.html">THE REGISTER: Microsoft
on trial -- lots of detailed revelations</a>
<LI><a href="http://www.kmfms.com/whatsbad.html"> What's So Bad About Microsoft? </a>
<LI><a href="http://www.opensource.org/halloween.html">The Halloween Documents</a>
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From: "T.E.Dickey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: BitchX and Libncurses.so.3.4
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:48:32 GMT
Michael Tefft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am trying to install BitchX on my RedHat 5.2 system. I downloaded the
> binaries but when I run BitchX I get a message saying it cannot find
> libncurses.so.3.4. I have found libncurses.so.3.0 on my system. Where do
> I obtain libncurses.so.3.4 ? I have looked on RedHats ftp site and a few
> other sites with no luck. Thanks in advance.
that was probably ncurses 1.9.9g
--
Thomas E. Dickey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey
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From: "Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Will RH 6.0 upgrade mess up KDE?
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:43:33 -0400
I've been reading all the nasty complaint posts over the past
month about RedHat 6.0... specifically how the KDE distribution
that comes with it gets installed to directories totally
different than the standard. I was wondering if I'm running KDE
1.1.1 on RH 5.2... will installing RH 6.0 with the "upgrade"
option mess up my KDE, install a seperate copy in a different
directory, or anything else crummy like that?
Also, is there really any compelling reason to do this
upgrade right now anyway? I remember when 5.2 came out... it
seemed like OVERNIGHT that every Linux application available for
download wanted you to have 5.2 instead of 5.0 or 5.1. However,
I haven't really seen anything out there yet that "requires"
6.0... or even has an updated version optimized for it. Is there
any real compelling reason to jump from 5.2 to 6.0... or is it
similar to the Microsoft situation with Win95 vs. Win98?
Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: Re: Open Source
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 01:14:25 GMT
On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:31:09 -0400, Chad Lavy wrote:
>I am trying to understand Open Source Licensing a little better.
Open source is a concept, not a law. If this person/company were to create
a program based on open source libraries, they couldn't charge money for the
libraries - but could charge money for their program.
While I beleive open source to be the best thing to unhindered technological
creativity, I don't beleive that anyone should be forced to give away their
source code if they don't want to.
--
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4
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From: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (was: Mindcraft
Retest News
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:45:35 -0700
Mark S. Bilk wrote in message ...
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul D. Smith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[Mark Bilk wrote:]
>>>> The tests would have to be repeated on hardware that is
>>>> known to have unmodified microcode, and with software and
>>>> configuration data that are also known not to have been
>>>> meddled with.
>
>>Well, the changes may be specifically designed to allow the system to
>>perform much better on that particular benchmark, but are useless at
>>best or very bad at worst for normal, day-to-day usage.
>>
>>Compiler writers have a long and storied history of this kind of thing:
>>they like to write specific optimizations for well-known benchmarks so
>>their compilers look better in comparisons--but most benchmarks are
>>fairly poor at emulating real-life usage so these kinds of targeted
>>optimizations almost never result in any real code running faster.
>
>Exactly. I think there was a compiler in the early PC era
>that emitted a hand-optimized routine for the "Sieve of
>Eratosthenes" prime number algorithm, since that was used
>as a benchmark by Byte magazine and others.
>
>>Anyway, changing hardware microcode has nothing to do with the
>>performance of the OS: that gives a skewed result for the
>>benchmark... it's like running benchmarks on different hardware. The
>>comparison you want to make is between the operating systems themselves,
>>so everything else has to be as invariant as possible.
>
>What I had in mind here is that the microcode in, e.g., the
>NICs, could be hacked to detect whether IIS or Samba was
>running. Since web pages are sent out with a header that
>includes the name of the server software, the network card
>would simply have to read that header. Then, if it detected
>Samba, it would impede packet transmission (by telling the
>CPU it was "busy"), and possibly drop some packets going in
>either direction. It could include a timer that would
>disable it after, say, 24 hours, so it wouldn't be found
>later if there were an investigation.
>
So now you are accusing companies like Intel or 3Com of colluding with
Microsoft to out perform a copy of Microsoft's Lan Manage Server? Is that
right?
>
>If that seems farfetched, this article describes the stealthed,
>encrypted code that Microsoft put into beta versions of Windows
>3.1 to detect DR-DOS, put up an error message, and fail by
>default:
That was right, hmmm? Seen a doctor lately? Or better, have you been
outside of your room lately? I mean in the last year or so. No point doing
it all at once.
>
><a href="http://www.ddj.com/articles/1993/9309/9309d/9309d.htm">MS Code to
Kill DR-DOS -- SEP93: Examining the Windows AARD Detection Code</a>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Per Hedeland)
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.sendmail,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: quoted-printable & 8bit, again...
Date: 17 Jun 1999 01:09:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tom Christiansen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [courtesy cc of this posting mailed to cited author]
Me too:-) (i.e. the original author).
>In comp.os.linux.misc,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>:I need to have a program that converts quoted-printable characters in a
>:mail file to their original 8bit characters.
>
>This is a very simple procedure.
I suspect the original author wasn't just after the bare-bones Q-P
decoding (mimencode that he mentioned can certainly do that too),
i.e. the tool must not blindly assume that all it's input is Q-P, but
rather parse a full-blown MIME message including subparts etc, and only
decode those pieces that are actually Q-P-encoded, probably fixing up
the Content-Transfer-Encoding header(s) too as it goes. I'm sure there
are Perl modules that can do that too though.:-)
--Per Hedeland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Jung, SH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to make a boot or rescue disk with new kernel version?
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:50:47 +0900
I am using Redhat linux 6.0 with kernel 2.2.9 recomplied.
i already made a booting disk, but i don't know how to make a boot disk or
rescue disk with new kernel version.
anyone can help me?
thanks in advance
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From: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (was: Mindcraft
Retest News
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:50:55 -0700
Paul D. Smith wrote in message ...
>%% "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> IE ? who cares. THe Solaris version is a POS.
>
> cm> Couldn't be worse that Netscape.
>
>Hah hah hah! You _obviously_ have never tried it. I have. Trust me,
>no matter how bad you think Netscape is, IE for Solaris is much, much
>worse. I posted a review of my experience with it last summer.
Correct, I was drawing a logical conclusion from my bad experiences with
Netscape on every platform.
>
> - It doesn't have any features except the browser (no mail, no news
> client, no editor, etc.) It does have a way to invoke your own,
> though (I wish Netscape made this simpler!) This is its _only_
> useful point :).
>
> - It's _huge_ compared to Netscape, both on disk and in memory--and
> this is compared full-fledged Netscape Communicator with all the
> trimmings, not the standalone Navigator, which is basically what IE
> for Solaris is.
>
> - It's _much_ slower than Netscape.
>
> - The first time it starts it creates a huge directory structure under
> your home directory with megabytes and megabytes of stuff in it (not
> cache files, either).
>
> - It died twice on me in one day.
>
> - It looks and works more like a Windows app than a UNIX/X app. Yuck.
>
>You may not like Netscape, but they do a far, far better job of writing
>Windows apps than Microsoft does writing UNIX/X apps.
>
That's scary...
>
>IMO, Netscape on UNIX isn't too bad. It's big and kinda slow, and until
>very recently would die on me much more than I expect from a UNIX tool,
>but since I started using Navigator 4.08 it's been pretty stable. (I
>tried 4.5 for a while, but the bookmark drag-n-drop is busted so I went
>back to 4.08).
>
I don't know about that, I've got a Dell OptiPlex 250 sitting next to a
Sparc Ultra 10, and Netscape on the Ultra doesnt load as fast as IE on 98.
The last version of Netscape I found good was 3.2 or 3.0.2 about three years
ago. It screamed but then the feature fat got a hold of it.
>--
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> Paul D. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Network Management
Development
> "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad
Scientist
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> These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for
them.
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From: Rodney Loisel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: WP8 -> RH5.1 from 6.0CD?
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:25:28 -0400
I've gotten the RH6.0cd from cheapbytes and since I don't plan to
install 6.0
right away until I'm more comfortable with the working version I have
while I
learn more of the basics, I wondered if I could use the WP version on
the
6.0 CD. (The WP7 on the RH5.1 distribution had a timeout of a week or
so.)
Also my HP722c only prints in Linux throught ghostscript (postscript)
files. Does
anyone know if I can save .ps files from WP?... Thanks
Rod Loisel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: Re: BitchX and Libncurses.so.3.4
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 01:11:40 GMT
On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:16:44 -0400, Michael Tefft wrote:
>I am trying to install BitchX on my RedHat 5.2 system. I downloaded the
>binaries but when I run BitchX I get a message saying it cannot find
>libncurses.so.3.4. I have found libncurses.so.3.0 on my system. Where do
>I obtain libncurses.so.3.4 ? I have looked on RedHats ftp site and a few
>other sites with no luck. Thanks in advance.
I had the same problem. My solution was to grab the source code and
compile it myself.
I'm pretty sure, though, that all it would take is a soft link created
in the name 'libncurses.so.3.4' to the 'libncurses.so.3.0' to make it work.
Of course, the source solution worked, so I'm sticking with it :>
--
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
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Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux systems- Poor security
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:25:39 -0600
Tim Philip Williams wrote:
>
> A while ago we had a security breach involving multiple linux boxes and
> as a consequence, our IT staff will probably be implementing a ban of
> the use of Linux! I use Linux as a development workstation (although
> I'm not a UNIX expert) ... does anyone know why the security of Linux is
> so bad? I assume that not all distributions are bad, but the ones with
> poor security give Linux a very bad name ... infact they give all free
> software a bad name .. I doubt if the IT staff will let me install
> FreeBSD instead of Linux.
> A very annoyed Tim (who will probably be forced to use Windows NT)
AFAIK, linux' security is only as good as the effort put
forth to make it secure. There are vulnerabilities, but
they should be pluggable if the administrator is willing to
put in the time to plug them.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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