Linux-Misc Digest #778, Volume #20               Thu, 24 Jun 99 22:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  Small Linux machine using LRP on DiskOnChip (Thane Eichenauer)
  Linux security - which daemons to chroot? (yan seiner)
  Re: Linux balkanization a potential blessing (Cameron Hutchison)
  linuxconf causes Segmentation Fault (Michael Robbins)
  Re: Getting current user name (Belgarion)
  Re: Linux balkanization a potential blessing (Tom Christiansen)
  Re: Linux balkanization a potential blessing (Tom Christiansen)
  Re: mounting floppy read-only problem ("Marat Ruvinov")
  Re: ppp setup (Ian Briggs)
  Re: libs all around (gtk+) (Vic Mortelmans)
  Re: Very small font in Netscape (Peter Englmaier)
  Re: Linux balkanization a potential blessing (Peter Seebach)
  Re: Secure backups with tar ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Increasing size of swap partition (Belgarion)
  Re: Urgent: dvips error, and I NEED to print today! (Chuck Cusack)
  Re: Road Runner and Linux (+Pablo+)
  Re: Documentation issues. (Harvey Taylor)
  News reader in Redhat 5.4 (Youjip Won)
  Re: Please guide me in buying the right distribution (Alex Lam)
  Re: MPEG I vs II (Kevin Breit)
  Re: The wonderful Linux community (Kevin Breit)

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From: Thane Eichenauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Small Linux machine using LRP on DiskOnChip
Date: 25 Jun 1999 00:31:18 GMT

You may not have noticed, but there is a new model of hard diskless 
Linux router machines available at...

http://www.calibri.net/calibri500.html

It looks really nice and they have builtin LCD displays as well.

Thane
http://www.idic.org
http://www.primenet.com/~idic


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From: yan seiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux security - which daemons to chroot?
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:43:16 +0000

I've started tightening down on our security; I'm going to eliminate as
many processes as I can, and I'd like to run the rest with as little
priveledge as possible.

Is there a howto or a reference on which processes can be run as
"nobody" with chroot, and which absolutely MUST have root access?

Thanks.

Yan

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From: Cameron Hutchison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Linux balkanization a potential blessing
Date: 25 Jun 1999 00:57:13 GMT

Tom Christiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>And programs whose documentation is available only through a GUI are
>undocumented.

Not if it's a GUI program.

-- 
Cameron Hutchison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | Onward To Mars
GCS d--@ -p+ c++(++++) l++ u+ e+ m+(-) s n- h++ f? !g w+ t r+

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Robbins)
Subject: linuxconf causes Segmentation Fault
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:35:41 GMT

I have installed RedHat 6.0 at home, and it runs just fine.  At
work........

On a fresh install, when running 'linuxconf' (either from console or
X), I get:

        Segmentation Fault (core dumped)

Lovely.

I have uninstalled and reinstalled the linuxconf (and gnome-linuxconf)
rpms with the same result.  Have completely reinstalled 6.0 three
times with the same results.

Any ideas?  and what is a 'Segmentation Fault' anyway?  Sounds like
memory probs.  

Any help is appreciated.

Mike


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Belgarion)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.win95,comp.os.ms-windows.setup95,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc
Subject: Re: Getting current user name
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 24 Jun 1999 17:35:48 PST

In article <MPG.11dc0460331e910b9898f0@news>, Jon Skeet wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Err, have any of you heard of the command "whoami"?
>> 
>> Try it, it's rather nice and very easy to use.:)
>
>Does it work under Win95 though? I doubt it...
>Read the original post in the thread:
>
>: The user logs on into windows 95 by entering his domain password and 
>: local win95 password. Afterwards, the desktop appears.
>
>: Question: 
>: Does anybody knows, how I can read the name of the current user in a 
>: batch file ? 
>
>Linux is only present as a server...

        Oh shit heh

        /me kicks his news provider for losing the beginning of the thread

-- 
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From: Tom Christiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Linux balkanization a potential blessing
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Christiansen)
Date: 24 Jun 1999 19:29:17 -0700

In comp.os.linux.misc, 
    [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
:       Earlier you were bitching at the distro makers, 

For distributing not-same-looking and easily-breakable installations.
The latter is just sloppiness.  The former is what gave us many
flavors of Unix in the first place: marketplace distinguishability.

:now the progrma
:authors. 

For being "above" writing component documentation.  There's something
fundamentally broken here.

:Which one is it going to be eh?

I can't blame program authors for distribution matters.  I can and
do blame them for releasing programs bereft of complete and proper
documentation.  Down that road lie the Bad Old Days.

On top of that, I can further blame the people who ship various
versions of Linux for including shoddily undocumented software.

Ship no program without proper documentation.  Prototypes for
your pals is one thing.  Putting it on a CD or releasing it as 
non-alpha is something else entirely.  If it doesn't have docs,
it doesn't ship.  Simple rule.

--tom
-- 
    "The only reason for being a professional writer is that 
     you can't help it."
        --Wilson Mizner

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From: Tom Christiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Linux balkanization a potential blessing
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Christiansen)
Date: 24 Jun 1999 19:19:30 -0700

     [courtesy cc of this posting mailed to cited author]

In gnu.misc.discuss, 
    Cameron Hutchison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:>And programs whose documentation is available only through a GUI are
:>undocumented.
:
:Not if it's a GUI program.

No, I'm sorry, but that's completely wrong, and that's what 
I guess I have to fight.  It's really very simple:

    How do I grep a bunch of menu buttons?  
    How do I apropos them?  
    How do I diff them between releases?  
    How do I lpr them?

I'm sure there's more, but I bet that these will suffice
to bring it all into focus.  

--tom
-- 
That's their goal, remember, a goal that's really contrary to that of
the programmer or administrator.  We just want to get our jobs done. 
$Bill just wants to become $$Bill.  These aren't even marginallly
congruent. --Tom Christiansen in <6jhtqk$qls$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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From: "Marat Ruvinov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mounting floppy read-only problem
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:02:48 -0400

The disk is not write-protected....I verified it.
More precisely, the message is
"block device /dev/fd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only"

And the permissions for /dev/fd0 are writable. So I'm not sure.......

-Marat


Rod Brick wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Make sure the write protect switch on the diskette itself is set
>correctly ;-)
>
>
>Marat Ruvinov wrote:
>>
>> Under Red-Hat Linux 5.2, when I try to mount the floppy drive
>> - "mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy" I always get
>> the following -
>> "/dev/fd0 is read-only file system"
>>
>> I want it to be writable ....
>>
>> What should I do????
>>
>> -Marat
>



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Briggs)
Subject: Re: ppp setup
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:48:26 GMT

amp wrote:
:Any ideas where to look?

http://axion.physics.ubc.ca/ppp-linux.html

Good luck.

Ian

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From: Vic Mortelmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: libs all around (gtk+)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:07:30 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have some questions about the linux-library-system. 

I will add another question as well: I'm trying to install the
gtk+-libs, and the installation script is spreading (huge) .a-files in
my lib-dirs. Do I need them?

What are .a-files anyway? a.out-libs? Something to do with
static/dynamic?

-- 

Groeten,

Vic

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From: Peter Englmaier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Very small font in Netscape
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:08:51 -0400

I think 'Arial' is a windows font. Here is how to install them
in Linux:

http://www.sfu.ca/~yzhang/linux/truetype/index.html


Aaron wrote:
> 
> I have noticed that also on some web pages, in particular
> www.soundblaster.com.  That particular page was using the Arial font,
> which is not listed as an available font on my system.  I guessing
> that if I install Arial it will look better.  I just don't know where
> to get it.
> 
> On Sun, 13 Jun 1999 15:09:30 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >I have KDE 1.1 and I use Netscape for web browser. Unfortunately, it
> >shows all web pages in very small font. the Increase Font option in the
> >View menu is not available. I have the same problem with KFM. What can I
> >do?
> >
> >Besides, does anyone know how can I make KFM accept cookies? I go to
> >Options menu, and I choose Configure Browser, Cookies, Default Accept
> >policy - ASk. KFM, however does not ask, but rejects cookies. What is
> >the problem?
> >
> >I would appreciate your help.

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Linux balkanization a potential blessing
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:43:07 GMT

In article <7kuk59$iiv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Cameron Hutchison  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Tom Christiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>And programs whose documentation is available only through a GUI are
>>undocumented.

>Not if it's a GUI program.

Untrue.  It is necessary for someone not using the program to be able to give
advice to someone running the program.  The local guru may be across a
strangely configured firewall.

You make good documentation available as a man page, and the guru can help.

-s
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin,linux.admin,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Secure backups with tar
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:19:08 GMT

Hello Kenneth,
 Thank you for your interesting suggestion. I currently running the
backup in the middle of the night, automatically, I am wondering if
there is a more automatic method, that really doesn't use other
machines. What do people use for encryption under Unix in general...?

As an aside, can anyone also tell me why is cpio better than tar?

Thanks again for your time,
Nick


In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  Kenneth C Stahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A simple way is to use nfs to allow your linux file systems to be
mountable
> from an NT or Windows 95/98 machine. To perform the backup, just
mount the
> directories and then use any Windows backup program that offers
password
> protection. If you have a slow network this may take a while, but at
least
> it will be secure.
>
> Another way would be to perform a cpio backup to tape on the linux
box (tar
> is never a very good idea and the only reason it is still around is
that
> there is a lot of legacy support for it) and then share that drive
with an
> NT/Win95/98 box and copy the cpio file to a tape backup with password
> protection and then erase the tape that has the cpio file.
>
> Ken
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Hello All,
> >  I have a Redhat Linux 5.2 server with the kernel upgraded to
2.1.10. I
> > have taken various physical security measures like making lilo boot
> > straight in without waiting for a prompt, passwording the bios setup
> > and disabling the floppy in the BIOS. It strikes me that the weakest
> > point, from a physical point of view is the tape backup. The tapes
are
> > made using tar, so could be read easily on other machines. I would
like
> > to continue using tar, but what could I use as a filter (some kind
of
> > compressable encryption with password) which would offer some kind
of
> > protection? I don't think we are under any real threat, I just want
to
> > do things using 'good practices' just in case I am asked!!!!
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Nick
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>
>


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Belgarion)
Subject: Re: Increasing size of swap partition
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 24 Jun 1999 17:49:36 PST

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Christian Ahkman wrote:
>I just upgraded my RAM and want to increase the size of my swap
>partition.  I have 200 mb of unpartitioned free space on my drive.
>How do I increase the size of swap?
>

        I personally limit myself to just as much swap space as I have
RAM. This way I'm not using disk space that can't be swapped to ram
easily and yet still have enough to run twice the buffer that I would
have with no swap. :)

        Of course, if you have under 64 megs of ram, that's not
nessicarily a good idea. Go with RAM*2 then.

-- 
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From: Chuck Cusack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Urgent: dvips error, and I NEED to print today!
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:59:20 -0500


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I have it narrowed down:
For some reason, sometimes when I use the 'verbatim' environment (In
latex) dvips doesn't like it.
Any Ideas as to why? I have used this for years, and have never
encountered the problem before.

Chuck.


> Occationally when I use dvips it gives me the following error:
>
> This is dvips(k) 5.85 Copyright 1999 Radical Eye Software
> (www.radicaleye.com)
> ' TeX output 1999.06.24:1925' ->
> dvips: xputenv.c:79: xputenv: Assertion `old_item' failed.
> lpr: stdin: empty input file
> Abort (core dumped)
>
> It only does it with certain files, and no matter what I do--rename the
> files,
> move them, whatever, I can't get rid of the error.
> The other files are fine, just this one isn't.
> The error is NOT with the files, but with dvips, I think.
> ANY clues?
> Chuck.
>
> Please respond directly to me if possible.
> Thanks. ((([EMAIL PROTECTED])))

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I have it narrowed down:
<br>For some reason, sometimes when I&nbsp;use the 'verbatim' environment
(In latex) dvips doesn't like it.
<br>Any Ideas as to why? I have used this for years, and have never encountered
the problem before.
<p>Chuck.
<br>&nbsp;
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Occationally when I use dvips it gives me the following
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<p>This is dvips(k) 5.85 Copyright 1999 Radical Eye Software
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<p>It only does it with certain files, and no matter what I do--rename
the
<br>files,
<br>move them, whatever, I can't get rid of the error.
<br>The other files are fine, just this one isn't.
<br>The error is NOT with the files, but with dvips, I think.
<br>ANY clues?
<br>Chuck.
<p>Please respond directly to me if possible.
<br>Thanks. ((([EMAIL PROTECTED])))</blockquote>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (+Pablo+)
Subject: Re: Road Runner and Linux
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:25:23 GMT


I have heard of successful setups with redhat  5.x.
I have tried both redhat 6.0 and mandrake 6.0, and only could get
mandrake to work properly.
+Pablo+

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From: Harvey Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Documentation issues.
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:45:31 -0700

Peter da Silva wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> David Kastrup  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> And no fricking manpages for anything you need to have.  The shame!
>>Well, I presume the info pages are offensive?
>Texinfo is a really annoying documentation system. 
>[...]
>If you must use hypertext docs, at least make them HTML 
>

        Yes. Yes. Yes!

<sere>
-het
        

-- 
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                 Harvey Taylor     [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: Youjip Won <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: News reader in Redhat 5.4
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:50:17 +0900

Dear Linux gurus,
   I have a problem in using news reader in my linux box.
   Recently, I have installed redhat 5.2.
   When I type "trn", it says server unknown.
   I would like to know which file I need to update to get it work.
Also, you can send me some doc. source.
   I am not frequent reader to this news group. So, it would be further
greatly appreciated if you can reply me via email.
   Thanks.

Youjip


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From: Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Please guide me in buying the right distribution
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:22:31 -0700



Franz GEIGER wrote:
> 
> I have a bit of SunOS experience and now want to buy an Intel box which
> should run Linux. But yet it is difficult for me to see which distribution
> is the best to start with. I even don't know where I should start in the web
> to look out for some comparisons or so.
> 
> Please point me to a location where a newbie has the best chances to read
> everything he needs to get a good start.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Franz GEIGER
> 
SuSE.

Alex Lam.
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Subject: Re: MPEG I vs II
From: Kevin Breit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:46:38 GMT

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What are the differences between MPEG I and MPEG II?
> I'm trying to choose between two laptops and would
> like to know if I get the one that supports MPEG I
> instead of II, would I be severely limited by it?
> I plan to use the DVD players mostly to view movies.
>=20
> --Greg
Greg,
    MPEG II is what DVD uses for video playing.  So go with MPEG II.
Kevin

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Subject: Re: The wonderful Linux community
From: Kevin Breit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:44:26 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Uri Kerbel) wrote:
> Just a few words to say thanks to all of those who contribute to this
> group.=20
>=20
> I've just finished updating my kernel for the first time from 2.0.36
> to 2.2.9 which is not the easiest task around as there were many
> packages/libraries that needed to be updated in the process.
>=20
> Gratitude is due for all the help received from dedicated
> professionals within the Linux community who devote their time to
> helping others on Usenet.
>=20
> Uri Kerbel
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>=20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> For free Java applets, utilities and scripts to enhance your site,
> visit  -=09http://www.kalbi.demon.co.uk/
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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I must agree.  I am new to Linux.  But never in my life have I ever seen =
so
many people willing to help people.  I know when I used Windows, people w=
ould
never help anyone with problems.  Here though, everyone helps everyone el=
se,
without problem.  It's great.  I was blown away by the fact people were w=
illing
to help.  But like Uri, I would like to thank everyone who has helped me =
and
everyone in the Linux community...thank you.
Kevin

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    sunsite.unc.edu                             pub/Linux

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