Linux-Misc Digest #850, Volume #20 Tue, 29 Jun 99 19:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux loses in NT tests (Philip Brown)
Re: Newbie: Needs help selecting distribution (William Wueppelmann)
Why won't NFS work between my machines? (Allen Ashley)
Re: NT the best web platform? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: newbie kernel questions (Marc Mutz)
Re: Linux loses in NT tests (Marc Mutz)
Re: NT the best web platform? (Jason O'Rourke)
Re: Problem with ftape after upgrading to RH 6.0 (Robert Komar)
Re: Lexmark 3200 (Ulrich Brachvogel)
Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks ("Charles Sullivan")
Re: Memory hogging, and dpms ("Matt Hyclak")
Re: converting emails ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux viruses (Michel Bardiaux)
Re: Linux loses in NT tests (Alex Lam)
Re: Two quick questions. . . (Dale Hennessey)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Subject: Re: Linux loses in NT tests
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 29 Jun 1999 17:20:37 GMT
On 29 Jun 1999 15:54:04 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] did eloquently scribble:
>= Step 4 (2005-2006):
>= Microsoft dominance of the software industry plummets rapidly
>= (just as IBM's dominence of the hardware industry plummeted rapidly
>= as a result of the PC revolution).
>
>Step 5 (2006-)
>Bill Gates sees how the tide is turning and how his stocks are falling, and
>sells up, buys an island, and lives as a recluse for the rest of his life.
>(Hey, we can always dream, can't we?)
I have more nightmares in that direction.
Step 5 (2004)
Bill Gates sees the tides turning in the software industry. Decides he has
enough money. But now wants POWER.
Runs for US president. Co-ops microsoft marketing team for his campagne.
Wins by a landslide.
[step 6: I quickly move back to Britain, and start digging a very deep
nuclear fallout shelter :-)]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Newbie: Needs help selecting distribution
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:31:10 GMT
In our last episode (Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:00:06 -0400),
the artist formerly known as Silviu Minut said:
>I doubt there's many people who run several distributions just for
>comparing them, so that they can give advice to newbies. If I run RedHat
>I'll tell you RedHat is good. If John Doe runs Caldera, he'll tell you
>choose Caldera.
>One thing though. Dell and IBM ship pc's with RedHat. I wonder why.
Because they also ship PCs with Windows. :-)
I've run Redhat, Slackware and Debian. In the end, I stayed with Debian.
I would have done so on purely technical grounds, but I also identify with
their goals and motives.
In my experience, Redhat felt easy to install, but it never did install
fully and properly, and it wasn't as easy to figure out how to manually add
and remove packages without messing up the dependencies as it was with
Debian. X was particularly hard to configure -- if the Xconfigurator
didn't work, you couldn't just run XF86Setup because the VGA server wasn't
installed. OTOH, my printer worked without having to do anything
(including understand how printing worked) and when it did set up X
correctly (once), I didn't have to mess around with default resolutions or
color depths. However, after the initial install, I have to say the appeal
of Redhat started to wear off pretty quickly.
To hear it from some people, ease of installation is the most important
feature of an OS or Linux distributon, but I use my system every day and
only install it once in a long while, so to me, the ability to use and
maintain my system is more important than an easy install. YMMV.
--
It is pitch black.
You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Allen Ashley)
Subject: Why won't NFS work between my machines?
Date: 29 Jun 1999 21:18:41 GMT
My systems hangs for a long time when I try to cp a file
from one host to another.
If I do:
mount cc:/root /cc
and then:
cp filename /cc/junk
where filename exists on the source machine (aa) and the
directory /root/junk appears on the target machine (cc).
I get:
nfs: server cc not responding, still trying
nfs: server cc not responding, still trying
nfs: server cc OK
nfs: server cc OK
After several tens of seconds the file ends up on the
target machine.
If I delete the file on the target and repeat the command
immediately I get:
aa:~# cp filename /cc/junk
nfs: server cc not responding, still trying
nfs: server cc not responding, still trying
nfs: task 96 can't get a request slot
nfs: task 97 can't get a request slot
nfs: server cc OK
nfs: server cc OK
nfs: server cc OK
nfs: server cc OK
After even longer it is again on the target.
In both cases when the source machine is hung,
I have rpciod and lockd daemons running. The
lockd option seems mandatory in kernel configuration.
Yes, I have the exports file, rhosts file, and all
the other items in place.
Could it be that free NFS transfer between hosts on
a LAN is no longer possible? Must one host be
designated as a server, and all the rest act
as clients?
Here is what is running on my machine when I do the cp:
USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND
root 1 0.1 0.1 220 128 ? S 12:31 0:03 init
root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 12:31 0:00 [kflushd]
root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 12:31 0:00 [kpiod]
root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 12:31 0:00 [kswapd]
root 10 0.0 0.2 816 260 ? S 12:32 0:00 /sbin/update
bin 68 0.0 0.2 852 376 ? S 12:32 0:00 /sbin/rpc.portmap
root 72 0.0 0.3 852 408 ? S 12:32 0:00 /usr/sbin/syslogd
root 75 0.0 0.6 1280 796 ? S 12:32 0:00 /usr/sbin/klogd
root 77 0.0 0.2 836 332 ? S 12:32 0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
root 79 0.0 0.2 856 320 ? S 12:32 0:00 /usr/sbin/lpd
root 82 0.0 0.3 912 508 ? S 12:32 0:00 /usr/sbin/rpc.mou
root 84 0.0 0.3 932 496 ? S 12:32 0:00 /usr/sbin/rpc.nfs
root 86 0.0 0.2 836 336 ? S 12:32 0:00 /usr/sbin/crond -
root 92 0.0 0.6 1324 776 ? S 12:32 0:00 sendmail: accepti
root 216 0.0 0.4 1176 624 tty1 S 12:32 0:00 -bash
root 217 0.0 0.4 1172 632 tty2 S 12:32 0:00 -bash
root 218 0.0 0.2 832 296 tty3 S 12:32 0:00 /sbin/agetty 3840
root 219 0.0 0.2 832 296 tty4 S 12:32 0:00 /sbin/agetty 3840
root 220 0.0 0.2 832 296 tty5 S 12:32 0:00 /sbin/agetty 3840
root 221 0.0 0.2 832 296 tty6 S 12:32 0:00 /sbin/agetty 3840
root 235 0.0 0.2 864 344 ? S 12:32 0:00 gpm
root 237 0.0 0.0 0 0 tty1 SW 12:32 0:00 [rpciod]
root 238 0.0 0.0 0 0 tty1 SW 12:32 0:00 [lockd]
root 378 0.0 0.5 2296 760 tty1 R 13:10 0:00 ps aux
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: 29 Jun 1999 17:34:43 GMT
On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:08:50 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I disagree with your comment "The linux community isn't in the business
>of performing sleazy stunts.." Last I checked there were more than a
>few web sites maintained by Linux fanatics dedicated to taking shots at
>Windows NT
There have also been websites that have written pure fud about linux ,
I speak of online publications. Some of them tell outright lies.
But it's unfair to blame Microsoft for the actions of these irresponsible
journalists. The blame for this lies with the journalists.
> and the typical my OS is better than your OS bantor. Are
>these not members of the Linux communties?
They're certainly not the leaders. My point is that the on Microsoft's
side, the sleaze is sanctioned by the people at the top. In your linux
example, it's a couple of users mouthing off. Big difference.
--
Donovan
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:05:38 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: newbie kernel questions
Chris Raper wrote:
>
> - When should you recompile modules? When you remove modules from the
> config, when you add modules or even when you change options like the
> processor family?
>
You change it first time after install (I do, because it makes the
kernel more light-weighted) and then whenever a new kernel version comes
out (but you don't need to grab every kernel version immediately - see
other one's bug reports folwing in and use the most stable kernel so far
(now 2.2.7).) or you change your hardware setup.
> - When you are swapping between two versions of the kernel does it
> matter which version the modules are? Are modules stored in just one
> location?
>
Modules are compiled when kernel is compiled (i.e. with make modules),
so they fit a particular kernel version. They are stored in
/usr/lib/modules/<kernelversion> or so.
> - I am used to SCO UNIX where you never re-compile the kernel - you
> just 're-link' it. Is SCO re-linking equivalent to bringing in new
> modules in the linux kernel?
>
Dunno.
> - Is a 'make bzImage; /sbin/lilo' equivalent to 'make bzlilo'?
>
No. 'make bzImage; cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage <your kernel image
location>; /sbin/lilo' is (mostly) equivalent with 'make bzlilo'. If you
want to know exactly, you may want to examine the top-level Makefile.
> Probably more to follow!
>
> Many thanks
You're welcome.
Marc
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:51:22 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux loses in NT tests
http://www.ct.heise.de/ct/english/99/13/186-1/
Marc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason O'Rourke)
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: 29 Jun 1999 10:44:52 -0700
Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Oh lordie. The HP Kayak is one of the absolute *worst* PCs ever
>built. I wouldn't even install DOS on that puppy.
>
>The Vectra line is only a couple hundred more, and it *really* shows.
At the time I got it 9 months ago, I believe it was several hundred *more*
than the Vectras. And that still looks true today, looking at Hp's prices
on their web page. I'd have rather gone vanilla myself, but the company
had a single vendor policy, so that was it. In either case, the kayaks
are a line sold to businesses and should do just fine for something like
NT. It certainly has the 'certification' to run it. Freebsd
supports no where near as much hardware and it hasn't complained in 9
months. No panics, BSODs, nothing.
So you'll excuse me if I blame the OS rather than the hardware.
--
Jason O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jor.com
'96 BMW r850R
last dive: June 13th, Pescadero Wash Rocks (Carmel), 46 mins at 64ft max
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From: Robert Komar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: Problem with ftape after upgrading to RH 6.0
Date: 29 Jun 1999 17:47:35 GMT
Michael Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
: ftape 105844 0 (autoclean) (unused)
: nls_cp437 3548 1 (autoclean)
: msdos 8220 1 (autoclean)
: fat 25664 1 (autoclean) [msdos]
: /dev # tar tf /dev/ftape
: tar: Cannot open /dev/ftape: No such device
: tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
: Has anyone else had this problem?
: BTW, the tape drive works fine under windows, so it's not a hardware problem.
Try loading the zftape and zft-compressor modules, as well. Maybe they're
needed even if you don't use the compression in the tape driver.
Cheers,
Rob Komar
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From: Ulrich Brachvogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lexmark 3200
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:41:34 +0200
"F. Heitkamp" wrote:
>
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Michael Thomas
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >Hi all
> >
> >I bought my new pc about a month ago:
> >
> Sell the 3200 and get a Lexmark OptraColor 40. It costs more
> but works great with Linux. It emulates level II postscript.
>
> Fred
Hi,
I've got a Lexmark 3000, this one prints (b&w only!) fine with the
apsfilter for deskj500.
Uli
--
Mit frdl. Gruss
// <( )
// \______//
// \____/ Ulrich Brachvogel
// / \
// "Save The Curlew!"
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From: "Charles Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:08:32 -0400
My earliest exposure to an 8088-based PC in the early 1980s was not with
an IBM but with the competing TI Professional Computer. It never really got
off the ground outside Texas Instruments itself, where it was internally
supported
for many years.
There were three operating systems initially supported for the TIPC: MS-DOS,
CP/M, and P-Code. The TI version of MS-DOS retailed for about $50, the two
others for about $250 each. Guess which one survived?
Can anyone recall whether there was a similar situation with respect to the
IBM-PC or PC/XT, i.e., operating systems other than MS-DOS but which never
had a chance in the marketplace because of the price difference?
George Genovezos wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Yeah and Mac copied the gui, networking, mouse... from Xerox.
>
>Kevin Flanagan wrote:
>
>> In comp.os.linux.x Fran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > How's the quote go?
>> > "Great programmers borrow great code"
>>
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in article
<7k8afh$kqc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> >> Except for the fact that Bill Gates didn't even write DOS. He bought
one
>> >> form someone else. The story of Gates and Microsoft, since they can't
>> >> inovate, buy it, steal it or copy it. That's why M$'s stuff sucks so
>> >> bad. They didn't write half the products they release! They just hack
up
>> >> the stuff the buy, and steal, the stuff the copy they haven't got a
clue
>> >> on how to write in the first place!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In article <7k628a$avv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >> "ajr-5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > <snip>
>> >> > >
>> >> > > If we all smart as Bill Gates, he wouldn't be as rich as tody.
Just
>> >> > > because he noticed PC will have feuture before IBM did. So we got
>> >> > > windows today.
>> >> >
>> >> > Actually, IBM hired Billy Gates to build them DOS, so actually, IBM
>> >> thought
>> >> > the PC had a future as well. And furthermore Windowz was copied from
>> >> Mac so
>> >> > don't give Gates too much credit. If Macs didn't have a GUI who
knows
>> >> what
>> >> > we would have today...
>> >> >
>> >> > BTW: I'm not defending Macs, that's just the way it is (was)...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> >> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>> >>
>
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From: "Matt Hyclak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Memory hogging, and dpms
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:01:02 -0400
Correct me if I am wrong, but linux is smart and uses unused memory as a
disk cache, so even though Netscape closes down and is no longer taking
memory, linux keeps it around in memory until something else needs it.
That's the way I was lead to understand it.
Matt
Egg J. LeFume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi.
>
> I have two small problems with my RedHat 6.0 system and I'm
> wondering if anybody can help with them.
>
> Occassionally, when I close a program (usually Netcrash), it won't
> give back memory it had taken. Here's what free tells me after starting
> Afterstep after a reboot, with two nxterms and pppd running:
>
> total used free shared buffers cached
> Mem: 95764 36044 59720 30988 1856 20772
> -/+ buffers/cache: 13416 82348
> Swap: 104796 0 104796
>
> And here's what it told me earlier today, after closing down Netscape and
> various other prgrams, also with just two nxterms running:
>
> total used free shared buffers cached
> Mem: 95764 63192 32572 7056 2656 25532
> -/+ buffers/cache: 35004 60760
> Swap: 104796 16044 88752
>
> Is there a way I can reclaim my memory and swapspace? Any
> utilities or anything? Neither top nor ps show any programs running that
> would be using the memory...
>
> Secondly, I use "xset dpms force suspend" to force my monitor into
> suspend mode if I'll be away from it for a short while. Occassionally it
> doesn't work; the screen flashes off for a second, then comes right back
> on. Does anybody know what can cause this? (No, it's not a kbd or mouse
> movement.)
>
> I'd appreciate any advice. Thanks in advance.
>
> Jamie Kufrovich
>
> --
> Egg, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> FMS3amr A- C- H+ M+ P+++ R+ T Z+ Sp#
> RL->CT a cu++ e++ f h+ iw+ j p- sm#
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Subject: Re: converting emails
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:50:04 GMT
On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:07:02 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Skeet) wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> - to convert the message (from different formats like netscape or
>> outlook express) into html
>
>What do you mean by the different formats? If your linux box is receiving
>the message, it should be in the standard (RFC 821 and 822) formats. You
>would only need to know Netscape/OE formats if you're using the mail
>client's own storage, which it doesn't *sound* like you are...
>
>--
>Jon Skeet - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://www.pobox.com/~skeet/
e.g. I have many problems with emailswith attachements that are sent
by outlook express under Windows NT
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From: Michel Bardiaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux viruses
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:54:28 +0200
hudini wrote:
>
> WME wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Are our linux systems immune from viruses?
>
> YES!
>
[snip]
> And whoever says that there are Linux virus or that Linux is
> vulnerable... send them to me. *Infetct* me...
>
> But then again... keep on dreaming.
>
> You have Linux/Unix don;t worry about "virus."
Problem is... I just saw another thread where Q was "What offline
newsreader
for Linux" and A was "Agent will run under WINE". One you run WINE, or
any
MS-emulator, you'd better watch for viruses. If you run some kernel-mode
MS-emulator like VMWARE, you're even more sensitive.
There is also the special case of firewalls: many organizations using
Wintel stuff internally want E-mail viruses to be filtered there, even
if
the FW is some Unix box.
And some Unix software, though not virus proper, is *very* insecure -
IRC
for sure, and personnally I do not trust Java nor Javascript.
But that is another kettle of fish entirely...
--
Michel Bardiaux
UsrConsult S.P.R.L. Rue Margot, 37 B-1457 Nil St Vincent
Tel : +32 10 65.44.15 Fax : +32 10 65.44.10
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From: Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux loses in NT tests
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:51:01 -0700
Philip Brown wrote:
>
> On 29 Jun 1999 15:54:04 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] did eloquently scribble:
> >= Step 4 (2005-2006):
> >= Microsoft dominance of the software industry plummets rapidly
> >= (just as IBM's dominence of the hardware industry plummeted rapidly
> >= as a result of the PC revolution).
> >
> >Step 5 (2006-)
> >Bill Gates sees how the tide is turning and how his stocks are falling, and
> >sells up, buys an island, and lives as a recluse for the rest of his life.
> >(Hey, we can always dream, can't we?)
>
> I have more nightmares in that direction.
>
> Step 5 (2004)
> Bill Gates sees the tides turning in the software industry. Decides he has
> enough money. But now wants POWER.
> Runs for US president. Co-ops microsoft marketing team for his campagne.
> Wins by a landslide.
>
Bill Gates is already started buying telco and cable businesses here
and in Europe.
AT&T is one of his target as well. If he succeeds, then, we'll all
have to install Winblows on our phone or it won't work.
Don't give that man any more ideas. That's a very haunting idea if he
runs for el prezidency.
> [step 6: I quickly move back to Britain, and start digging a very deep
> nuclear fallout shelter :-)]
>
No, you'll be safer in the Artic.
Alex Lam.
> --
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dale Hennessey)
Subject: Re: Two quick questions. . .
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:26:05 GMT
On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:23:47 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
{snip}
:2) Is there a way to see what directories on your hard drive is taking
:up the most space? Kind of like tree I guess but with a listing about
:how much space each directory is taking? One of the directories on my
:friend's system is taking up a lot of space and I don't know which one!
You want the 'du' command for this.
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