Linux-Misc Digest #855, Volume #20 Wed, 30 Jun 99 00:13:10 EDT
Contents:
help ("VM")
odbc: C (eventually tcl) frontend? (Engard Ferenc)
Re: Newbie: Needs help selecting distribution (Mohd H Misnan)
Re: NT the best web platform? (Jim Richardson)
Re: Linux loses in NT tests (Danny Aldham)
Re: NT the best web platform? ("Chad Mulligan")
Screen too big (Charles Koerner)
Re: Intel could nip dual-Celeron move in bud (Vincent Fox)
Re: Problem with my 486 (Collin W. Hitchcock)
TurboLinus 3.6 (TurboTex)
libc5/6 question... (ishwar rattan)
Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks (Dave Edick)
Re: Looking for date.c (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Pronouncing "Linux" - your vote! (Do-Hoon Kwon)
Re: An "ls" question (Carl Fink)
Re: Pronouncing "Linux" - your vote! (Scott Lanning)
Re: Installing Glibc (Paul Kimoto)
Re: converting emails (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Re: An "ls" question (Cameron Hutchison)
Re: Compilation errors with 2.2.10 (Paul Kimoto)
Looking for date.c (Neil Cherry)
Re: Pronouncing "Linux" - your vote! (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Re: Pronouncing "Linux" - your vote! ("Binesh Bannerjee")
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From: "VM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: help
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:39:29 +0800
how could i have the screenshots when installing the Linux system? (besides
using a camera)
and, how could i have screenshots under console mode? (not within xterm)
any screen capture i can use?
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From: Engard Ferenc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: odbc: C (eventually tcl) frontend?
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 04:01:53 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi all,
I am not familiar with odbc -- sorry if I ask silly questions. I need
to write a C program for linux which communicates with odbc data-src-s
(with DBF files under win98/NT (if it possible somehow, if not, maybe
SQL server?) and PostgreSQL under linux). Well, ok, I need to write
a program to communicate in any way with the above datasources, I
don't care how... :-)) I couldn't even find doc about a C odbc API.
Is there sonething what I want?
If it is not possible, then I need the same with tcl, both on linux
and win95 platforms. I found the tclodbc package; has anybody
experience with it? In this case, what C compiler can I use under win
to write C procs for my tcl prg?
Thx:
Circum
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mohd H Misnan)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Newbie: Needs help selecting distribution
Date: 29 Jun 1999 23:04:03 GMT
On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:27:11 -0700, Alex Lam wrote:
>
>
>Silviu Minut wrote:
>>
>> I doubt there's many people who run several distributions just for
>> comparing them, so that they can give advice to newbies. If I run RedHat
>> I'll tell you RedHat is good. If John Doe runs Caldera, he'll tell you
>> choose Caldera.
>> One thing though. Dell and IBM ship pc's with RedHat. I wonder why.
>>
>Redhat is junk and buggy. The installer sux big time.
I beg to differ.. RedHat works just fine on my notebook and yes, I did burst few
times when I got something just doesn't work right on it but junk? no way ..
--
|Mohd Hamid Misnan | [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
|iMac/233RevB/MacOS 8.6 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
|AMDK6-2/300/Linux2.2.10 | http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/3319/ |
-If you can't debug it, deplug it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:51:22 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:33:18 +0100,
John Hughes, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>FREE means nothing if your spending more time configuring. NOT saying thats
>the case with Linux but this FREE mentality just doesnt cut it in business.
>What really matters is that it delivers needed business services.
>
>
<snip>
Correctemundo, 'course, the server I have at work hasn't had any config changes
since I upgraded to RH5.1, (about 6months ago) and has 45 days of continuous
uptime, (it would have been ~200, but the power failed six weeks ago, and the
poor little tyke sank...)
Now this is no power house machine, an old vesa bus 486,
which serves as a small companies web and minor file server. But It was
rescued from the scrap pile, and cost 0$ in licence fees.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Danny Aldham)
Subject: Re: Linux loses in NT tests
Date: 30 Jun 1999 01:25:09 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
Stewart Honsberger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:22:19 -0400, Silviu Minut wrote:
: >> Redhat SUX big time anyway....
: >Not trying to defend RedHat (although I'm running it), just trying to
: >understand, but why does it suck that bad?
: I've seen a lot of people jumping on the "RedHat SUX" bandwagon lately,
: and while I think I know where they're coming from - I don't think THEY
: know where they're coming from.
My biggest problem with RedHat is where they install packaged software.
I have been using Apache for years, have built it from scratch dozens
of times, and have always expected to find it in /usr/local/apache. But
Redhat have decided that it belongs in /home/httpd , and the config files
in /etc . The same is true of almost every OpenSource package that
RedHat add on. Try doing an upgrade of postgresql and trying to initialize
the database, when the Redhat binaries expect the config & version files
someplace other than /usr/local/pgsql. Bullshit, total bullshit.
RedHat SUX!
--
Danny Aldham Providing Certified Internetworking Solutions to Business
www.postino.com E-Mail, Web Servers, Mail Lists, Web Databases, SQL & Perl
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From: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:11:11 -0700
Anthony Ord wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>On 27 Jun 1999 15:13:33 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>(Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:17:18 +0100, John Hughes wrote:
>>>Your evidence suggests you cannot configure NT properly.
>>
>>I see comments like this all the time, and I wonder: does NT really have
>>this much touted "ease of administration" ? I always hear NT advocates
>>say "you configured it wrong", but they are incapable of pointing out
>>*what* was ( or in the absence of detailed information, what *might have*
>>) been configured incorrectly, which makes one wonder if configuring NT is
>>not even a science, but a black art.
>
>Configuring NT is easy to do, you just have to sacrifice the
>*right* kind of sacred rubber chicken to it. If you get the
>wrong kind, life goes pear-shaped very quickly.
>
penguins work best for me :^P
>Regards
>
>Anthony
>--
>-----------------------------------------
>| And when our worlds |
>| They fall apart |
>| When the walls come tumbling in |
>| Though we may deserve it |
>| It will be worth it - Depeche Mode |
>-----------------------------------------
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From: Charles Koerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Screen too big
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:22:19 GMT
Newbie running RH 6.0 now.
Still haveing problems with the screen too big. I've used "/xvidtune"
to find the correct numbers but dont know what to change or where. Need
detailed path name to change
Help
Pete Koerner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vincent Fox)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Intel could nip dual-Celeron move in bud
Date: 30 Jun 1999 00:24:01 GMT
*snip*
To return the thread to it's subject, I think the
idea is hogwash. Yes, they COULD do it.
However, what this reminds me a lot of is the thing
about 6 months or so ago where everyone was circulating
various version of the rumor about how Intel was going
to do some trick to stop overclocking. I saw quite a
few "I heard from a friend of a friend of a friend" stories
and letters posted on lots of websites anxious to make
headlines about how it was coming, and various bizarre
unworkable pseudo-explanations of how it would work.
FSB locking never happened. My personal theory is
aside from the technical problems it just wouldn't be
worth Intel changing their production line to fix something
that really isn't hurting their bottom line in any
significant way anyway. The vast majority of people
who buy PC's buy a factory unit and wouldn't even
attempt to overclock the PC if it occurred to them.
Too scary for 'em. Nevertheless we had this thing
floating around, and quite a few people bought it.
In fact, it seems to be many of the SAME websites
that dished out the last set of rumors, who are doing
it again. I don't recall seeing any retractions on
those websites of "hey 6 months later, no FSB locks,
guess we were WRONG!". Once again, spreading FUD without
any hard data.
I am skeptical of this dual-limit in the same way I
was skeptical of FSB-locking. Show me an Intel brief
or something more definitive, like a sample part that
someone has tested that has this limit. Until then I
will regard it as hearsay and rumor.
I already have a pair of PPGA 300A's sitting on the
shelf at any rate awaiting arrival of an Abit BP6 :-)
--
"Who needs horror movies when we have Microsoft"?
-- Christine Comaford, PC Week, 27/9/95
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Collin W. Hitchcock)
Subject: Re: Problem with my 486
Date: 29 Jun 1999 21:21:08 -0400
> My firs card ( Mac address BlaBlaBla_81 ) is IRQ 10 and I/O 300.
> The second ( Mac address BlaBlaBla_85 ) is IRQ 11 and I/O 280.
Try specifying the appropriate paramters at boot time. If you are
using LILO, add the following line to your /etc/lilo.conf
append="ether=10,0x300,eth0 ether=11,0x280,eth1"
and then run lilo. If there is already an `append' line in lilo.conf,
add the two new terms to the existing line (inside the quotes).
> Clock skew detected, your build may be incomplete
Is the system clock working correctly? Is it set to the right date?
My guess is that the date is set to sometime in the past (perhaps it
is always midnight, Jan 1, 1980 just after you power up?).
Encountering a file that was `last modified' after the `current date'
(ie. sometime in the future) is likely to confuse make -- make needs
to be able to compare the ages of files.
Collin
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From: TurboTex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: TurboLinus 3.6
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:50:24 -0500
Does anybody know when it is coming out?
--
----
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****** < for the New Millennium >
Powered by TurboLinux 3.4 http://www.linuxlink.com
Driven by XFCE2 http://www.austinlug.org
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:31:12 EDT
From: ishwar rattan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: libc5/6 question...
I am running RedHat-5.2 on a dual Pentium PC. Does it fall under
libc5 or libc6?
Thanks in advance,
- ishwar
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Edick)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 03:01:32 GMT
Yes, IBM offered CP/M-86 and UCSD P-System. When the PC/AT came out in
1984, they added Xenix as well. They didn't provide much in the way of
applications for them, though.
On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:08:32 -0400, Charles Sullivan wrote:
>My earliest exposure to an 8088-based PC in the early 1980s was not with
>an IBM but with the competing TI Professional Computer. It never really got
>off the ground outside Texas Instruments itself, where it was internally
>supported
>for many years.
>
>There were three operating systems initially supported for the TIPC: MS-DOS,
>CP/M, and P-Code. The TI version of MS-DOS retailed for about $50, the two
>others for about $250 each. Guess which one survived?
>
>Can anyone recall whether there was a similar situation with respect to the
>IBM-PC or PC/XT, i.e., operating systems other than MS-DOS but which never
>had a chance in the marketplace because of the price difference?
>
>George Genovezos wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>Yeah and Mac copied the gui, networking, mouse... from Xerox.
>>
>>Kevin Flanagan wrote:
>>
>>> In comp.os.linux.x Fran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> > How's the quote go?
>>> > "Great programmers borrow great code"
>>>
>>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in article
><7k8afh$kqc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>> >> Except for the fact that Bill Gates didn't even write DOS. He bought
>one
>>> >> form someone else. The story of Gates and Microsoft, since they can't
>>> >> inovate, buy it, steal it or copy it. That's why M$'s stuff sucks so
>>> >> bad. They didn't write half the products they release! They just hack
>up
>>> >> the stuff the buy, and steal, the stuff the copy they haven't got a
>clue
>>> >> on how to write in the first place!
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> In article <7k628a$avv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>> >> "ajr-5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> >> > <snip>
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > If we all smart as Bill Gates, he wouldn't be as rich as tody.
>Just
>>> >> > > because he noticed PC will have feuture before IBM did. So we got
>>> >> > > windows today.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Actually, IBM hired Billy Gates to build them DOS, so actually, IBM
>>> >> thought
>>> >> > the PC had a future as well. And furthermore Windowz was copied from
>>> >> Mac so
>>> >> > don't give Gates too much credit. If Macs didn't have a GUI who
>knows
>>> >> what
>>> >> > we would have today...
>>> >> >
>>> >> > BTW: I'm not defending Macs, that's just the way it is (was)...
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>>> >> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>>> >>
>>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Looking for date.c
Date: 29 Jun 1999 22:58:33 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Neil Cherry wrote:
> Does anyone know in which tar ball the date.c file is (the source to
> the utility date). I'm having trouble with some elses code and need to
> find out how handles TZ.
$ date --version
date (GNU sh-utils) 1.16
See ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/sh-utils.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Do-Hoon Kwon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pronouncing "Linux" - your vote!
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:35:37 -0400
I'm for No.2 if it is meant to be pronounced
linuks
with these rules taken from http://www.m-w.com:
============================
Dictionary Pronunciation Key
\&\ as a and u in abut
\[^&]\ as e in kitten
\&r\ as ur and er in further
\a\ as a in ash
\A\ as a in ace
\�\ as o in mop
\au\ as ou in out
\ch\ as ch in chin
\e\ as e in bet
\E\ as ea in easy
\g\ as g in go
\i\ as i in hit
\I\ as i in ice
\j\ as j in job
\[ng]\ as ng in sing
\O\ as o in go
\o\ as aw in law
\oi\ as oy in boy
\th\ as th in thin
\[th_]\ as th in the
\�\ as oo in loot
\u\ as oo in foot
\y\ as y in yet
\zh\ as si in vision
======================
I think following the originator's pronunciation is the right way
in the sense that it contains respect for the originator. :^)
Do-Hoon Kwon
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,utah.linux
Subject: Re: An "ls" question
Date: 29 Jun 1999 23:29:50 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 29 Jun 1999 15:40:00 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>If you read the ls man page, it should tell you.
The operative word being "should". It doesn't on my Debian Linux 2.x
system. See, Linux (as opposed to your SunOS) comes with GNU ls, and
for reasons that can only be called "bad" GNU is now supporting only
the execrable info files for documentation. If you don't use emacs,
info files are painful to use, so some things are hard to look up.
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum
<http://dm.net>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Lanning)
Subject: Re: Pronouncing "Linux" - your vote!
Date: 30 Jun 1999 02:39:23 GMT
Jeremy Henderson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Last week I posted a "REALLY dumb question" asking how I should
: pronounce Linux.
:
: Th one thing which is clear is that it wasn't a dumb question,
: as no-one agrees!
Actually, it was dumb, just everyone is also dumb.
I didn't catch your post last week or the followups, but
surely someone referred you to Linus's pronounciation:
Swedish:
--
Scott Lanning: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://physics.bu.edu/~slanning
"If lightning is the anger of the gods, the gods are concerned mostly
with trees." --Lao Tse
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Installing Glibc
Date: 29 Jun 1999 22:39:37 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marc Mutz wrote:
>> glibc is different because it is the system c library and every
>> binary on your system links to it. There is quite a lot of
>> documentation in the glibc package about upgrading your system.
>> Read it thoroughly before attempting to install anything.
> Well, that applies if you want to update your whole system. If you want
> to compile just a few apps that need the new libs, do you have to go
> through more steps than ./configure make make install?
If you want to do this, then you need to do something like
./configure --prefix=/usr/i586-linuxglibc2
and have a lot of patience, since compiling glibc2 is a slow
process.
If you then want to compile things using glibc2, you have to
mess with some configuration files and such. You can read all
about it in the Glibc2 HOWTO.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Subject: Re: converting emails
Date: 30 Jun 1999 03:29:06 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I want to create something like a www-board on a linux system but with
>some differences: you can send emails with attachments and then on the
>board the messages should be shown and when there was an attachment
>you should be able to download that.
This package does exactly that:
http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html
I believe it's in Debian already.
>- to convert the message (from different formats like netscape or
>outlook express) into html
Mhonarc understands Multipurpose Internet Message Extensions.
That should cover it.
>- when there was an attachment to recognize that thus a link can be
>created to download that file from the website
Mhonarc does that. Virus infected attachments will remain infected,
though. Open untrusted MS-Word and MS-Excell files with catdoc or
Applix or Star Office or Wordperfect.
Cameron
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From: Cameron Hutchison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,utah.linux
Subject: Re: An "ls" question
Date: 30 Jun 1999 03:14:15 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink) writes:
>On 29 Jun 1999 15:40:00 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>If you read the ls man page, it should tell you.
>The operative word being "should". It doesn't on my Debian Linux 2.x
>system.
On my Debian 2.1 (slink) system:
$ man ls
...
-l, --format=long, --format=verbose
In addition to the name of each file, print the
file type, permissions, number of hard links, owner
name, group name, size in bytes, and timestamp (the
modification time unless other times are selected).
For files with a time that is more than 6 months
old or more than 1 hour into the future, the times-
tamp contains the year instead of the time of day.
It tells you right here what it prints out.
So, Carl, did you just miss it in the man page, muck up your debian install
or are you just lying here trying to discredit linux?
(I normally wouldn't suspect someone of blatant lying, but I believe that
it will be one of micros~1's tactics and this "Carl" may just be a micros~1
stooge. You see, as soon as I read Carl's response, I did a "man ls",
looked straight at the -l option and found he was wrong within about 3
seconds).
--
Cameron Hutchison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | Onward To Mars
GCS d--@ -p+ c++(++++) l++ u+ e+ m+(-) s n- h++ f? !g w+ t r+
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Compilation errors with 2.2.10
Date: 29 Jun 1999 22:53:10 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> checksum.c:200: redefinition of `csum_partial_copy'
> checksum.c:105: `csum_partial_copy' previously defined here
> {standard input}: Assembler messages:
> {standard input}:185: Fatal error: Symbol csum_partial_copy already defined.
There is no (ix86) checksum.c file in the 2.2 kernel series. It must
be left over from some old kernel source. Delete it.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Cherry)
Subject: Looking for date.c
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 02:32:16 GMT
Does anyone know in which tar ball the date.c file is (the source to
the utility date). I'm having trouble with some elses code and need to
find out how handles TZ. Thanks
--
Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only)
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics GB)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Subject: Re: Pronouncing "Linux" - your vote!
Date: 30 Jun 1999 03:38:29 GMT
In article <dZee3.18138$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeremy Henderson wrote:
>So much for ending the confusion!
>
>Last week I posted a "REALLY dumb question" asking how I should pronounce
>Linux.
The one time I saw Linus in person he was asked that and he
said he didn't care. Pronounce it any way you like.
Spoken and written natural languages evolve. Early in Linux'
lifetime there was a spec: Leenooks (rhymes with books) or Lye-nucks
were okay, but Linnucks was rude. (The acceptable pronunciations
were derived from Finnish and American pronunciations of the
name "Linus." Mispronouncing a man's name is disrespectful.)
But Linux evolves toward common sense, and the common sense answer
"who cares" long ago replaced the earlier, more constrained answer.
Good.
Cameron
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From: "Binesh Bannerjee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pronouncing "Linux" - your vote!
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 03:20:17 GMT
Tom Christiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Don't be silly. If you're going to be serious, be serious.
: Otherwise, Linux is obviously pronounced "smeg".
No, no no... It's pronounced "Vindaloo".
Binesh Bannerjee
: --tom
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