Linux-Misc Digest #857, Volume #20 Wed, 30 Jun 99 05:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: Documentation issues. (Ketil Z Malde)
Re: Documentation issues. (Ketil Z Malde)
Need help with parallel port ZIP Drive ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: N. VA Homeless Shelter - Great News! (Monte Phillips)
which getty for fixed serial terminal? (Georg Schwarz)
fdisk source code? (Philip Brown)
Odp: Identd? Anyone? Help! ("Jerzy O.")
Re: Kernel v2.3.8 : fs/fat/file.c
Netscape: can't load libXt.so.6 ("per_adua32")
Re: Newbie: Needs help selecting distribution (Equinox)
Re: ATI XPERT 98D 3D AGP (fred smith)
Re: Having trouble compiling (Collin W. Hitchcock)
Re: ISPS (Richard Corfield)
Filesystem for SCO OSR and Redhat Linux
Re: fdisk source code? (Thomas Zajic)
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.xml
Subject: Re: Documentation issues.
From: Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:20:56 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne) writes:
>> Yes, it's complex. But you only need to understand all of it if
>> you're designing a complete publishing system.
> *Total* understanding may only be needed for design of a complete
> system, but one needs fairly encyclopaedic understanding in order to
> customize things or to fix problems that come up.
So, you're saying that in order to use MS Word, you need to know the
user interface, the file format, the Win32 API, and HPCL or
Postscript?
:-)
>> I suspect your next argument is in favor of recent XML efforts like
>> XSL and XSchema, where style sheets and document type definitions are
>> written with the XML syntax.
> Nope. No assumptions in that direction.
Phew!
-kzm
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.xml
Subject: Re: Documentation issues.
From: Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:23:44 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne) writes:
> Supposing I want to change the document to have a "two column" form,
> much as is supported by the LaTeX "twocolumn" subclass, this winds up
> hitting each layer in a different way.
> Augmenting the document management scheme to handle this requires:
> a) Adding the attribute to the DTD,
> b) Specifying the attribute in the SGML/XML,
> c) Providing DSSSL code that turns that attribute into the TeX/LaTeX
> "twocolumn" subclass, and
> d) Well, LaTeX supports this, so we didn't have to do anything new with
> LaTeX.
Why not just do it in the style sheet? It is a style issue, after
all, which you normally don't want in your document.
-kzm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Need help with parallel port ZIP Drive
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 04:39:31 GMT
Hey,
I am still new to Linux, so be nice, k?
I have been trying to get my parallel port Iomega ZIP Dirve (100MB) to
be mountable under Linux. I have yet to get it to work. I have tried
several different combinations in the /etc/fstab file, to no avail. The
most helpful on-line help page I have yet found is at:
http://www.redhat.com/mirrors/LDP/HOWTO/mini/ZIP-Drive-2.html
yet I am still having problems. The page tells me to try doing a
"insmod ppa" to tell Linux that I have a parallel port device I want to
use, but when I do that (type in "insmod ppa" that is) these are the
errors I am getting:
/lib/modules/2.2.5-15/scsi/ppa.o: unresolved symbol
parport_claim_Rcca15f23
/lib/modules/2.2.5-15/scsi/ppa.o: unresolved symbol
parport_register_device_R064ebecf
/lib/modules/2.2.5-15/scsi/ppa.o: unresolved symbol
parport_unregister_device_R3618c96f
/lib/modules/2.2.5-15/scsi/ppa.o: unresolved symbol
parport_enumerate_R648d1e26
/lib/modules/2.2.5-15/scsi/ppa.o: unresolved symbol
parport_release_R4430d136
Could anyone explain to me just what the heck these errors mean?? I had
no clue trying to use a ZIP drive under Linux would be so frustraiting.
Well, back to that help page...
It says that if the insmod thing isn't there, I can go and configure the
kernel myself (yeah, like I want to get anywhere near the thing at my
experience level), by typing in "make xconfig" and some other steps.
Well, when I typed in "make" just to see what it would say, I get "bash:
make: command not found". Uh, help? Is this command supposed to be
'standard' with Linux, or is there something I need to install? I am
running RedHat Linux 6.0. However, when I installed it (just last
weekend) I only installed the packages that it said were necessary for
Linux to function. Should I have installed more stuff? I am at a loss
here, so if anyone out there can give me a helping had, I sure would
appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Andrew
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Monte Phillips)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,redhat.general
Subject: Re: N. VA Homeless Shelter - Great News!
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 05:01:14 GMT
For what its worth in the help dept you might want to set up one
machine 'on site' get on an IRC private chan at a certain time and
ahve your newsgroup long-distance gurus on line at the same time. As
probs arise you can ask 'real-time' for help.
"Eric Livingston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>......
>The tough part is that now that our funding has arrived, things are
>happening at breakneck speed: the entire environment is targeted to be up
>and running by the 11th of July (or as much as possible). That's the day
>about 16 other people from my company are planning an all-day series of
>worksessions with the residents of the shelter that will include sessions on
>computer use... so they'll need machines to train on.
>
>Ok, so here's the deal: Many of you have previously offered hardware or time
>to me in furthering this project's goals. I'm re-requesting aid in the form
>of equipment (old PCs, monitors, cards, network cable, hubs, NICs, printers,
>etc) and/or time or expertise in helping to set up and configure these
>machines! We've accelerated from lackluster to harried in a day or so, and I
>could use whatever help anyone has to offer.
>
>The shelter is located in Woodbridge, Va, a couple of minutes from the
>Potomac Mills shopping center, for anyone who may be able to offer on-site
>assistence. For others, I'll gladly accept virtual help and guidance. For
>anyone local to D.C., I'm still soliciting PCs and equipment for our effort
>(and will gladly pick the equipment up), and for those out of town
>(especially those who have already offered equipment) I now have the money
>available to ship your donations directly to the shelter (I can offer a
>FedEx shipping number or similar arrangement). Obviously, receipts are
>available to facilitate tax deductions for any donated equipment...
>
>So, if anyone would care to help in any fashion, I'd very much appreciated,
>as would the residents and staff of the homeless shelter!
>
>Thank you,
>Eric Livingston
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Georg Schwarz)
Subject: which getty for fixed serial terminal?
Date: 30 Jun 1999 06:54:42 GMT
I'm thinking of adding a serial terminal (rather a PC with a terminal
emulation program) to a machine running RedHat 5.2. It should be connected
at 19200 bps, 8N1, hardware handshaking. Maybe it will be necessary to
ignore DTR. Which getty do you recommend to do this? agetty? uugetty?
anything else?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Subject: fdisk source code?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 30 Jun 1999 06:48:50 GMT
Can someone tell me where to find source code for fdisk?
I've looked for two hours now, and I can only seem to find binaries.
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From: "Jerzy O." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Odp: Identd? Anyone? Help!
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:26:02 +0200
Do something like that:
rpm -qi pidentd
to see which version you already have, and if it's older then pident-2.8a4-1
then do this:
rpm -Uvh pidentd-2.8a4-1.i386.rpm
then
/etc/rc.d/init.d/inet stop
/etc/rc.d/init.d/inet start
that's all.
JErzy
U�ytkownik Tarkaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w wiadomooci do grup dyskusyjnych
napisa�:7lbpdh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I need to set up identd... I have no clue where to start. I have
> obtained the required rpm (pidentd-2.8a4-1_i386), but I have absolutely
> no clue how to modify the system. Can someone please tell me how?
>
> -- Jack Tarkaan Kalamazoo, Michigan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Kernel v2.3.8 : fs/fat/file.c
Date: 30 Jun 1999 06:21:31 GMT
On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 03:43:56 GMT, Binesh Bannerjee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Binesh Bannerjee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Well, that made it get through there, but now it complains about
>update_vm_cache not existing... Maybe the only solution is to not
>have any of the windows filesystem stuff...?
Thanks for trying that out for me. I guess I'll keep
rebooting to 2.2.10 for MS fs stuff.
--
Brien
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From: "per_adua32" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Netscape: can't load libXt.so.6
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:34:49 GMT
I recently installed netscape 4.6 from a public ftp site.
I followed the instructions given and tried to use netscape
after starting X window, by typing 'netscape' in an xterm
window.
The following error was printed:
netscape: can't load library 'libXt.so.6'
Can anyone help me to get netscape working/to get netscape
to load this library.
Thanx
T:irvine
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Equinox)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Newbie: Needs help selecting distribution
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:48:24 GMT
On 29 Jun 1999 16:19:17 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.misc Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>= SLACKWARE!!!!!!
>
>He's a NEWBIE!
>Do you want to put him off for life?
It didn't put me off for life... my first exposure to Linux was as a
user on a Slackware box, running kernel 1.2.8. Naturally, when I
decided to install Linux on my own machine, I went with Slackware.
Even after trying other distributions (or *attempting* to try other
distributions, in the case of Debian), I'm still with Slack. Why?
It's simple, it's configurable right down to the finest detail, and
it's what I'm used to.
This last argument is probably the most compelling. The fellow can
start off with whatever he chooses. If he has several options to
begin with, he can try them all and pick his favorite. Otherwise,
he'll get used to whatever is set before him (as I did), and
everything else will seem foreign.
--Russell
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email (spam-disabled):
lord *underscore* equinox *at* mindspring *dot* com
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Crossposted-To: redhat.general,redhat.x.general
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (fred smith)
Subject: Re: ATI XPERT 98D 3D AGP
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 01:38:11 GMT
Leonard Evens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Has anyone any experience with the
: ATI XPERT 98D AGP video card
: which Dell now seems to provide on its desktop computers?
: The ATI XPERT 98 is supported by XFree86, but I'm not
: sure what the D means.
I'm not either, but I could guess it means "Dell", i.e, a possibly
special version for Dell with additional/different/missing features.
I'd just give it a try with X if I already owned the card, using the
MACH64 server. If I don't yet own it I'd try to find out what it is
and get a different card if it feels as if it may be not fully compatible.
FWIW, my Xpert98/PCI 8Mb card works great!
Fred
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Collin W. Hitchcock)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Having trouble compiling
Date: 30 Jun 1999 00:03:25 -0400
Comments/ Suggestions:
1) Only install RPMs from a single version of a single distribution
(ie. don't mix RPMS from, say, Redhat 5.2 and Redhat 6.0 on a single
system). Only install RPMS from a third party if they are
specifically designed for the particular distribution and version that
you are using. If you can't find an RPM compatible with the above
requirements, you are better off compiling from source. I think
disregarding this rule is the cause of your troubles in your first
example.
2) The reason that so many programs are distributed as source code
only is because maintaining a binary distribution for each platform
(architecture, operating system, and common configurations of shared
libraries) is painful and, in some cases unfeasible. Usually a well
written configure script can sort out the details. I believe that the
problem in your second example is due to a shared library
incompatibilty that the configure script did not test for.
3) Compiling a program from source is not and never will be an
activity for the 'mainstream' user. Sadly, the mainstream future of
Linux is programs that are parts of distributions and third party
programs designed to work with particular distributions.
Rant:
The biggest weakness of the Redhat Package Manager is its inability to
upgrade shared libraries in a sane manner. For example, let's say you
want to upgrade from Bluehat Linux v1.0 to Bluehat Linux v2.0. These
two distributions contain the RPMS
SomePackage-1.0-x.i386.rpm
and
SomePackage-2.0-x.i386.rpm
respectively, which contain the files
/usr/lib/some.so.1.0
and
/usr/lib/some.so.2.0
respectively. Before the upgrade, only /usr/lib/some.so.1.0 exists.
The upgrade does two things: it installs /usr/lib/some.so.2.0 (which
is good) and it deletes /usr/lib/some.so.1.0 (which is bad). The
problem is that shared libraries are not like programs; when you
upgrade a program you don't generally want to use the old version
anymore, but when you upgrade a library, you want to keep the old
version because you don't want to break all the programs which still
want to use the old version.
The Redhat "solution" to the problem is to create a new RPM
compat-libs-1.0.x.rpm
and distribute it with the Bluehat v2.0 distribution. This RPM
contains all the old shared libraries that will be clobered by the
upgrade but will, in the estimation of the distributor, be needed
after the upgrade for compatability with older third party programs.
During the upgrade you reinstall the old libraries from the new
package. This is nonoptimal in two different respects. First of all,
the new install of the old version of the library might be slightly
different from the old one (mistakes can happen) resulting in huge
numbers of anoying and hard to localize bugs. Secondly the old
libraries that will be needed after the upgrade depend critically on
which third party programs you have installed. Since the distributor
doesn't know anything about this, his choices are guesses and you are
likely to need a library he didn't provide.
Two options (that I can think of) are available to a distributor who
wants to fix the problem. First of all, new versions of packages
containing a specific shared library could have different base names
than the old versions:
SomePackage1.0-1.0-1.i386.rpm
and
SomePackage2.0-1.0-1.i386.rpm
This is a kluge which gives the proper behavior without requiring
extensive modification of the Redhat Package Manager.
The second option is to modify the Redhat Package Manager in some way.
Config files and documnentation files are already treated differently
from binaries. Addition of a shared library file type would allow
upgrades to leave old shared libraries untoched during an upgrade.
Comments?
Collin
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From: Richard Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: ISPS
Date: 29 Jun 1999 17:56:55 +0100
"Alan J. Wylie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> http://www.littondale.freeserve.co.uk/LinuxAndFreeserve/
Now I've got CHAP working with Freeserve I may have to add this (the
change is simple, put the password line in /etc/ppp/chap-secrets not
pap-secrets and set the -pap option in the /etc/ppp/peers/whatever
file to inhibit PAP when Freeserve's server tries it).
However I've found that when Freeserve fails it is failing before even
trying to authenticate regardless of whether or not it is PAP or CHAP
that is used so my pages at the moment stand.
I also cover mail and news (quick plug :-)
- Richard.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.sco.misc
Subject: Filesystem for SCO OSR and Redhat Linux
Date: 27 Jun 1999 17:50:21 GMT
I am in the process of moving from SCO OSR 5.0.5 to RedHat 6.0.
My machine dual boots between the two OS'es. My user's files
are in a separate partition which is currently SCO OSR's HTFS format.
RedHat 6.0 (at least as I configured it) does not "know" HTFS.
I would like to copy the entire contents of that file system
into another file system which both RedHat and SCO can access.
The file system MUST support soft links.
Does such a file system format exist? The only file systems I
found common to the two are the generic UNIX S51K file system and
DOS. Neither supports soft links.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Zajic)
Subject: Re: fdisk source code?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:43:20 GMT
On 30 Jun 1999 06:48:50 GMT, Philip Brown wrote:
> Can someone tell me where to find source code for fdisk?
> I've looked for two hours now, and I can only seem to find binaries.
It's part of the util-linux package - from the .lsm:
Primary-site: ftp.win.tue.nl /pub/linux-local/utils/util-linux
Alternate-site: ftp.*.kernel.org /pub/linux/utils/util-linux
Alternate-site: metalab.unc.edu /pub/Linux/system/misc
Alternate-site: tsx-11.mit.edu /pub/linux/packages/utils
HTH,
Thomas
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